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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 13:42:57 GMT -5
Thanks, lala!
I'm on vacation this week, so of course it won't be this week! heh
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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 13:26:55 GMT -5
Hey all!
Which episode or spoiler I should say is the one where Gregor 'discovers' O&C again? What day will it air?
I'll search again.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 13:01:33 GMT -5
I've been wondering about Gregor's apparent lack of insight on the issue, as well. All the times Christian turned down double dates, the abnormal reaction to sexual jokes and constantly seeing O&C together in various states of undress....
I can tell you, my sisters would immediately know and, moreover, would've talked to me about it by now! heh heh heh
But, of course, there is also denial---if he had any inkling of the true facts and has any worry about it, he might simply dismiss his feelings or insights. And, knowing how touchy Christian seems to be on such matters, he'd probably not bring it up unless he was ready for a full argument.
Anyway, I feel it's time for this aspect to be resolved, at last. lola said a future episode deals with this once and for all---can't wait!
Geoff
* color coded spoiler -Bchick
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 22:44:05 GMT -5
Wo? I looked at Nanna's site but see nothing new......?
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 22:07:01 GMT -5
Look closely you will see an error:
The bandaid switches sides on Christian's face.
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 20:34:01 GMT -5
She's just... Scarlett O'Hara on acid. That's a wonderful, and wonderfully bizarre, description of her, Lola! *grins* Yes, you've got her pegged, lola. What Scarlet might've said on acid. Yes. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 18:30:21 GMT -5
I'd have to say my favorite new scenes are the ones in the bathroom from the latest episodes. What on earth does that say about me??? heh
I harken back to the episodes with Christian and CoCo and how withdrawn and reserved, how shallow Christian seemed to be with her. Don't get me wrong, I like CoCo, but it's even now more apparent that Chris and she were never meant to be. It was simply a physical thing.
But between O&C, true revelations of deep feelings. That's just pure trust. I know it shouldn't, but it gets me teary-eyed heh. ;D
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 16:29:36 GMT -5
Ahh, nm, I just read amber's quick recap.
Thanks, amber!
oooooooh, now that's mean of Christian heh.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 16:23:01 GMT -5
So, why did he lean away? Sorry, they were speaking too fast for me to catch it.
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 11:36:16 GMT -5
I really love her as well---She tells it like it is. I mean, come on! How bold is it to say: But, of course, you're such a loser you'd probably get caught anyway!
LOL
Of course, it's also irritating for her to speak like that to Christian. We'd never speak like this in the South (USA) to anyone unless we were in the midst of an ill-mannered fight. We would conceal our true opinions with a veneer of cordiality and proper manners. So we were taught. Only in the most provocative confrontation would we say something like that and even then, it wouldn't be stated so clearly. Perhaps that's one of the reason I love Olivia: she speaks out in a manner I could never do myself.
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 9:19:35 GMT -5
Yeah, resolving those plot hooks would mean, well, less plot hooks to use. That would fly in the face of the typical soap-writer, I guess.
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 8:49:11 GMT -5
Aye, which is why I think the story should shift towards one where Christian tries to clear his good name. Of course, to do that, he'd have to allow his father's reputation to suffer. He might not be ready for that, yet.
But, if he does, then the way is clear to either teach, do the shop thing or whatever else. I can only hope that, sometime later, boxing goes out the window. heh
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 8:22:58 GMT -5
I /agree with you all:
1: Christian is boxing because of lingering guilt/compulsions from his father. It's obvious he likes Sport and should be in school for this as he's a natural athlete, etc. But the boxing doesn't seem to be his thing. I hope this means he finally realizes it and decides, for himself, that enough is enough . It would be a disaster for Olli to even suggest on any level for him to give this up---it would be controlling as you guys say.
2: Ok, Olli is over-reacting a bit, methinks. Chris gave his word, saying: No, of course I won't do this. That should've ended it, right there, IMO. So, he's telling the truth: no, not guilty, I just knew how you'd react if you saw this (paraphrase). Rather than extracting a promise from Chris, Olli should apologize and tell him: you gave your word, that's good enough for me.
3: I think lolaruns is right: this is the opening out, down-the-line, for Chris to get out of boxing professionally. Perhaps he will reach a point where he feels he's satisfied any sort of obligation he feels towards his father's dream. Then, he can say: well, I did my best; that will have to do.
4: gast48: yes! a controller-type can't allow his partner such secrets as those would be outside of his control. I agree.
5: Yeah, the vernacular had me scratching my head, as well. But, I must admit it's more reflective of Real Life. I work with people in this age group and must say they tend to swear more often and with greater degree than my generation. All this makes the scenes more authentic, IMO.
Thanks once again to our awesome Translation Team. We love you dearly!
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Post by mgh48 on May 30, 2008 0:04:29 GMT -5
Olli would be 'controlling', IMO, if he began to insist that Christian give up boxing. That would be an terrible attempt to control. I have had something similar happen to me: my first boyfriend was obsessed with business to the point where he was bragging about making his 'first' million before he was such-and-such age. Fine and good; but not enough for him when it came to me. I am an artist/musician and was studying both at the time. Eventually, he started insinuating that I need to focus on business and even went so far as to complain when I bought a new guitar.
THAT's 'controlling' to me. Olli hasn't done anything like that, so far. I think it's perfectly logical for someone to insist, to make clear that using steroids for this purpose--legal or otherwise---should never be considered. That shows you care about someone, really care, IMO.
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Post by mgh48 on May 29, 2008 19:23:55 GMT -5
I'm from Canada and we often refer to someone as "mom" in a very sarcastic manner if someone is treating us like a child and treating us as if they know what's best for us and that we don't know ourselves. Much in the same way that Olli was talking to Christian as if Olli KNEW that doping (steroids) are just no good. The "mom" reference is like a statement saying "Yeah, yeah, I know what you are saying. You think I'm stupid or something?" Just a Newfoundlander's two cents. (Don't ask me what my "two cents" means. We had that in a previous discussion.) Yeah, that's our take on the phrase down here in Southern US: I think Christian means: "You're insinuating that I don't have enough sense to figure this out myself, gee, thanks!" It's not a control issue, it's a perception issue, IMO. Olli should've just stuck with asking Christian not to start steroids and then rely on him keeping his word. Hey, we all make mistakes when the heart is involved. PS: edited to clarify that I was trying to explain the 'mom' sentence in the way we would take it here in the Southern US. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 29, 2008 13:50:43 GMT -5
Oh yes, thanks indeed for sparing us such a private scene with Judith and Fabian! I'd pay good money to never have to see it heh heh.
As for the steroids. I side with Olli. Unfortunately, it looks as if Christian is very seriously considering it. Olli should take him to sites that show what happens to people who go down that route---it's terrible and, in the long run, would cut-short any hope of a long, successful career in any sport.
For me, overall, however, I want Christian OUT of boxing---sure, let him win a major bout, but thereafter, focus on his degree and clearing his name so he can coach and/or teach.
How do I contact the writers of this show! hahahah I wonder if any of them speak English well enough for me to wax in-depth on this story? I could translate it, but man that's so tedious. ;D
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 29, 2008 13:29:56 GMT -5
Oh!
Forgot to add: I see a lot of commentary about how Fabian appears. I don't find him umm, ahem, in the least unappealing in appearance. I'd call him more 'cute' than the manly handsomeness of Olliver and Christian---more like a teen idol cute.
What's-his-name, er...oh, Constantin. Yeah, he's good-looking. I'd say he needs to let his hair grow a bit to remove the 'skull-like' impression I get of his head; but yeah, he's a looker, too.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 29, 2008 13:25:32 GMT -5
Yes I just love Olivia. It's like she can't help herself. Like, almost any opportunity where you think that a normal person would just keep their mouth shut she just can't help slipping in a mean remark. But somehow she manages to still make in hilarious and almost endearing no matter what she says. Aye! She's soooo snarky. And, if that's her real voice on the lastest episode (and apparently she's a Singer) then what an awesome vocalist! Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 29, 2008 12:15:53 GMT -5
I'm kind of shy when comes to make comments... so I don’t comment that much….but did anyone noticed Christian eyes begging Olli for help when he´s hugging Axel?(the guy is hitting him in the kidneys auch!) that was great acting, one can almost see him saying “help me! I’m in big trouble!” Yes, definitely. Thore is the master of communicating emotion through facial expression--even that awful helmet can't conceal it! Yes, I agree a hundred percent! He looks even more handsome when he gets irritated or angry a bit, eh (if that's possible). Jo just looks handsome regardless of facial expression---though when he looks angry, it's a bit intimidating to me (big guy though I am heh heh heh). I'd rather have Thore angry; I could at least smile about it. ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 23:16:48 GMT -5
After O&C, my favorite character is Olivia, followed closely by Charlie.
Olivia for the win!
By the Gods, I'd love to have a sister or cousin like her. Well, most of the time, anyway. She's funny, witty, conniving, ruthless, and strong---and she really does care about Olli. I admit, in strange ways heh, but care she does.
Charlie is just pure class---beautiful lady, never out-of-sorts or caught ill-mannered.
Love them both.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 22:53:05 GMT -5
Olivia is a bona fide diva! I still love her! Judith's singing made the dogs in the neighborhood howl. Sometimes love is saying - or singing- nothing at all. Wow, Christian's defensive maneuvers are almost non-existent. No wonder he got clocked. I don't box but I have sparred for taekwondo and helped judge matches so I know what to look for. Kudos for the choreography. Axel is sexier on screen than the screencaps. I didn't see any chemistry between he and Christian but I thought I caught him checking Christian out. Yeah, I've studied Tae Kwon Do meself and I was wondering what's going on with C's defense? Doesn't he study Jui Jitsu or some such (not sure of spelling, never looked into that---my instructor disapproved of other forms heh heh). He probably had to just go with the script. No, no chemistry IMO. It's obviously a setup to convince C to join the dopping. He had more skill, not strength. Despite my wishes, I'm being drawn into the 'boxing blues' episodes, ugh. Nanna and the rest of the Translation Team, I thank you once again for an awesome job. Words are inadequate for my appreciation. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 8:21:28 GMT -5
*hugs to lolarun*
Yeah, it was a funny conversation. Thanks, lola, for the keen insights.
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 8:17:40 GMT -5
Reluctantly, I pick drama. It's a risk because for favorite couples, it means the potential break-up might be in the future.
But as someone said: drama = interest
I'd like the couple to be firmly established and in no doubt of their preferences and their love interest, however. O&C's 'get together' is about as far in that direction I need the story to go; now, let's settle-in and see how they deal with the world and the world deals with them.
I'd prefer the 'hiding' from the world to be over and let's get on with how Gay couples deal with the repercussions of being Gay in a still anti-Gay world and how the conflicts drive them closer together. Etc, and so on.
So, yes to drama mindful of the dreadful risk.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 8:05:12 GMT -5
Hey, all Rather late to this thread. I recently 'came out' to two ladies at work. During the years there, I've never discussed this issue with anyone---though, my political views are strong and I sometimes found myself arguing for Gay rights and so on at times---at work since I prefer to keep social issues away from there. However, after watching O&C episodes, I came to discover that I was, in fact, sort of lingering in the closet. Of course, all my personal friends, my sisters, brother-in-law and so on have known for years. So, I never considered myself 'in the closet' until I saw this show. Then, within the space of a week, I found myself telling these two women everything---because I thought they already knew heh heh. Not only did they NOT know, they really wouldn't believe me for a few moments. After that, they fully accepted it and started asking me questions of the sort you can imagine. They want the details about my social life: are you seeing anyone? what's he like? etc and so on. Before watching O&C, I'd resigned myself to no relationships of any kind---my choice. Then, suddenly on seeing these, I felt my emotions unclasp. I started feeling better and already have met someone. So, I'm much happier these days. I suspect many of the men at work already know. How could they not? I never discuss women with them; I don't react to their sexual jokes like the other guys; I ignore the random porno mags that passengers leave here and there and they find, etc. Anyway, none of them raise the issue with me---just treat me like any other guy. On the family front, when I told my mother years and years ago, she was heartbroken. Part of the reason was simply that she was raised in the deep South and such things were never discussed and Gay people were considered abnormal; the other, she wanted grandchildren from me. Over the years, I think she just ignores the whole thing and my sisters have given her the grandchildren she wanted. heh heh heh For the most part, no straight men at work have talked to me about this. I'm a fairly large guy and in good shape (6+ feet tall) and I suspect many might be afraid to get on my bad-side with negative comments. Or, I'm lucky and I found a place where everyone has what I consider normal attitudes about such things---tolerance for people from different backgrounds, etc. This is not unusual in the airline business. So far, the most humorous questions I've gotten from straight guys about being Gay is: So, do you think I'm attractive? LOL! It's happened every time so far and I never know how to answer this. Especially if they are a friend. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 28, 2008 7:41:48 GMT -5
I add my heartfelt thanks as well! To all! Especially the Translation Team. Geoff
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