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Post by mgh48 on Jun 9, 2008 23:49:36 GMT -5
Heyyas, all
I get what you are saying about Christian and the Three Words. Actions speak louder than, and all that.
However...
I want to hear him say it with deep feeling to Olliver. Looking into his eyes, with tears in his own---and in such a way that all of us just freak over it.
Just once would be enough. Yeah, later, say it again for various reasons and with just normal feeling. Olli said it with true feeling---and the moment was spoiled by that punk Wolle (did I mention how great I think the actor who plays Wolle is? I'd really love to read an interview with him, sometime). Anyway, it looked like he really wanted to say it---say the words. His jaw muscles clenched, stopping him. You all know how hard it can be to say these words. It's terrifying, or can be to those who only say it, want to say it, when they really mean it.
I want him to say it with just blatant emotion. And with nothing spoiling it for either of them. I picture they go some place (maybe back to the cabin?) alone, just the two of them. They really deserve some time alone. It would be perfect.
I could even imagine Christian asking Judith for advice on how to say it or discuss why he has a problem saying it.
Say it, say it, say it, Christian! LOL
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 9, 2008 8:40:19 GMT -5
Are there any plans to interview Thore like you guys did Jo for the Blog? I'd really like some sort of question answer thing with him and others on the show. If possible, of course.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 9, 2008 8:34:36 GMT -5
Hah, that is what I noticed too about this scene. There is so much walking and standing apart. It begins with a hug. Then Olli backs away. Christian follows. Olli backs away as Christian moves closer. Olli stops. Moves close again to offer his dream/suggestion. Christian backs away all the way to the other side of the room. Olli says something defeated and Christian crosses all the way back to him to tell him their relationship is the most important thing to him. Makes me wonder if this standing apart thing is a Jo and Thore thing or a deliberate choreography created by the writers or the directors. It was pretty interesting to watch, though I can see why this kind of distance might be frustrating for some viewers to watch. Yeah, I was wondering this too. Olli moves away first...and it seems to stop Christian moving towards him as he normally does---he goes to that wooden column instead. Perhaps Olli is saying: umm, right now is not a good time to use hugging on me heh. Then, as you say, Christian goes all the way across the room right to the door! Like saying: No way---that (the wishful suggestion) is too much for me; I can't do that after everything we've been through----but (coming back) I CAN and WILL stop all of this right now, just say the word. To which, we know, Olli just can't agree. And, as you say, once they realize they will go through with this together, then they come back together physically and emotionally. But, I think the making Olliver work-out for intimacy thing is in the past, now. Christian didn't even want to do the jogging, he wanted to head right upstairs for other matters. Anyway, the days of the simple relationship are over---now, it's become a fully realized adult relationship. Both guys are making sacrifices for each other and are, apparently, willing to make more. That bodes well for the future. Olliver is willing to endure terrible abuse for Christian; and Christian is willing to put an end to his career for Olliver. Contrast that with CoCo and Christian and their domestic problems---no comparison. I have one caveat, however. There is no way on this planet or any other that I would allow my mate to endure this kind of abuse from anyone--especially a physical attack. I'm sorry, but I would've just lost it completely and beaten the attacker to the ground without thinking heh. Later, I would've realized what I'd done. Christian stopped it, yes---but there's no way I'd have let it even get that close. That part still rankles me a bit. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 8, 2008 11:30:23 GMT -5
Yeah, brilliant acting by the guys, yet again. I haven't watched any of AWZ (well, one brief homophobic thing in the locker room which made no sense to me) and NONE of ATWT or HO, so I can't compare and contrast the stories. I can only go by what I see on this one.
The acting is superior, the story is plausible and heart-wrenching and funny. I can't recall any show ever occupying my thoughts and causing so much anticipation than this one---ever.
I simply can't believe American TV stations are so frickin stupid as to miss out on this market/opportunity. Oh well.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 8, 2008 11:16:47 GMT -5
Which three words, gast48?.....ahhh, nevermind, now I get it. Well, and good, but I want to hear Christian say them TO Olli---no cheapo, "yeah, right back at you and more!"
Come on, Chris, I know you can do it!
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 8, 2008 10:43:20 GMT -5
I must agree, as well. The actor is awesome. Even the manner he uses to speak is so repulsive to me, I can't stand listening to it---and normally, I like listening to Germans speaking.
He's probably a nice guy, in real life heh. I wonder if he or others on the show would do an interview like Jo did? That would be cool.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 7, 2008 15:53:17 GMT -5
Well, judging from this episode, the whole nasty Wolle thing has finally reached an end with Christian. Both of them are suffering from this situation. And, it just can't go on anymore---not like this. I just knew the wait for the next episode was going to drive me crazy. heh Geoff Does it all end yet? There are things in the spoilers thread that suggest otherwise. *color change for spoiler speculation. -BchickI'm just saying, at the very end, it looked like he has decided enough is enough. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 7, 2008 13:46:24 GMT -5
Well, judging from this episode, the whole nasty Wolle thing has finally reached an end with Christian. Both of them are suffering from this situation. And, it just can't go on anymore---not like this. I just knew the wait for the next episode was going to drive me crazy.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 6, 2008 19:32:14 GMT -5
I don't know a single person here in the states with a washer/dryer in the bathroom. I know a few who have it in their kitchens, though. Most people I know have rooms specifically designed to house washers/dryers; mini-laundry rooms in their condos or houses. I also don't know of anyone here in the states who has a bedroom door that has glass. Fascinating, the differences. The arrangement of the washer/dryer in the bathroom is unusual here, but for nearly 7 years I lived in an apartment that had them in the bathroom. They were in a closet in the bathroom, but there they were. It didn't seem all that odd to me, just not the usual placement. It was certainly better than having to go down the hall or into the basement to a common laundry room. That's been the case in most of the apartments I've lived in since leaving college. In the apartment we live in now, we have a laundry room that doubles as OH's closet. We have 'washrooms' as Bchick said---a separate room where the washer/dryer and other 'things' are kept. And the bedroom door is always solid! It would be very, very strange for us to have any sort of glass for a bedroom door--opaque or otherwise. In fact, here in the South, it would 'raise eyebrows'. Wolle = closeted Gay? It would fit, Nanna. Yes. And, of course, I would have some sort of pity for him if this turns out to be true. But what about his horrible accent? I swear to the Gods! I can understand my Onkel better from Southern Germany then I can this guy. Really, it sounds like a tea-kettle boiling-over whenever he speaks---I've tried and tried. I can't make out any clear words this man speaks. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 6, 2008 17:50:37 GMT -5
As a native bostonian, I really think its weird when people use words like ya'll and the like. It's You Guyses. Can't wait till the next clip with Gregor walking into the action! In the territory ranging from NYC to Philly we use "youse" (pronounced "yoos" for our overseas friends). English doesn't have a plural "you" but Italian does and Italian-American immigrants seemed to need one. It has been in use for a long time and frankly I found it hard to stop using it until I was in my mid-20's, and I'm not even Italian! I have to say that I find Wolle revolting. He's a disgusting little man who incites criminal behavior. One has to imagine that the only reason any women ever show him any attention is to gain access to his stable of hunky boxers. In all likelihood it's yet another way he lives vicariously through them because I sincerely doubt any sober woman has touched him in decades. He should also be careful. A real lesbian would utterly destroy him in a fistfight. Privacy doesn't seem to be a big feature of the flatshare. If Christian and Olli want to make love without being noticed they should try doing it down in No Limits where nobody would be able to see or hear them. But honestly, I can't recall ever seeing a place where the bedroom doors have windows, even frosted ones, for example. Gregor must be a nightmare to have to share a bathroom with! As a true Son of the South, I must chime in! Y'all and Youse are perfectly ok to try and convey You plural. But, really, You is meant to be singular or plural. However, rarely does it work as intended. You have to revert to one or the other, eventually. ;D As for the Gay-Bashing episode, today, well, of course I'm a bit pissed-off at Christian! How dare he even for a moment treat Olli like that! He will have to redeem himself from the dregs to make it up to me As for Wolle the Creep. His accent is so strange, I can't ever understand a single word he's speaking---it sounds like someone spitting and hocking and spewing gas. It's annoying, slimy and disgusting. What an awesome actor! I'll bet he's a great guy in real life heheheh. OMG! did you see the true fear in Christian's eyes when he finally notices Gregor. I mean, little-boy-caught-by-big-brother, deer-in-the-headlights, terror! I'm lovin it. There's NO WAY he can explain himself out of this one! *sigh of contentment* Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 6, 2008 12:27:22 GMT -5
Maybe this relationship will inspire Olli to continue his own dreams---because, really, everyone has had at some point a big dream. Mine was to be a guitarist in a successful rock band heh heh heh. And if Olli had a dream similar to that, then, yeah, I can see him being hesitant to reveal it. Doesn't mean he can't change his mind and go for something anyway, now that Christian is on his way. Geoff Actually he'll be appearing in a transvestite revue in Duesseldorf. Apparently got acclaim for same last season! He's just been keeping it from the "NoLimits" crowd. LOL. Yeah, I saw that somewhere. Unfortunately for me, I find it difficult to appreciate that theater of this caliber. Hey, maybe I can give it a serious look now that I know Jo is in it. But, really, lola, everyone has had a dream. I think the writers possibly dropped-the-ball on that scene because it just doesn't make sense: Olli, if he gave up any big dreams, could've at least said something like: well, when I was a kid, I always wanted to be <fill in the blank>. Of course, it could be a setup for something in the future. That would be cool. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 6, 2008 12:09:43 GMT -5
Maybe this relationship will inspire Olli to continue his own dreams---because, really, everyone has had at some point a big dream. Mine was to be a guitarist in a successful rock band heh heh heh.
And if Olli had a dream similar to that, then, yeah, I can see him being hesitant to reveal it. Doesn't mean he can't change his mind and go for something anyway, now that Christian is on his way.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 6, 2008 7:23:18 GMT -5
Thanks, awesome Translation Team! Another excellent episode.
The relationship has changed, eh? From just constant physical attraction, now to serious emotional attraction as well. I mean, wow! All this time, I must admit, I wasn't exactly sure that these guys weren't just in a crush. This episode shows true love. Now, I believe them fully. And, now, I too, am worried something awful will happen.
I suppose, as long as the writers can come up with something that will keep us all enthralled, the 'awfulness' could just be more external threats to the relationship that the guys withstand like an other couple would. But, of course, soap couples really get hit with all sorts of bizarre obstacles, don't they? So I suppose, since I've never really watched a soap before. I mean, witness the bizarre stuff going on with that couple on ATWT----the bboards were packed with outraged fans yesterday.
I am writing this with only one cup of coffee this morning, so forgive my rambling all over the place. But, this episode just had me mesmerized. Christian's declarations to Olli has finally, fully melted my cynical heart! Such an awesome performance from Jo and Thore. I agree with those who say they should win an award for this.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 17:02:46 GMT -5
But, in the next one, Gregor already offers to be his promoter.
Man, this is going to kill me!
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 17:01:30 GMT -5
I just watched it in the German, and, sigh. So great!! I can't wait until the subbed version is available, so I can actually understand what they are saying. I did get "Ich liebe dich" though. OMG - I so understood that bit too ;D Don't know whether my excitement was because he'd said it or because I actually understood he'd said it, without subs So agree with Nanna - it is right in Christian's character that he couldn't say it back but his face spoke a thousand words. Loved today's epi - man, the way they interact together, it's just visual poetry . All of us will be superior German speakers by the end of the year! Some of the conversation in NoLimits I can get; but of course, the details get lost in the speed. I can see Christian is upset and so on. I'm getting a little irritated with Oli always trying to keep the SECRET! bah. ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 13:36:26 GMT -5
Hey, all---is tomorrow when Christian fires that creep Wolle? I read the calendar, but it just says he 'flips out'. If so, I can hardly wait to see it! And I hope he kicks Axel's a$$ at the same time! *carefully checks to make sure this is the proper thread for the question* whew yes, ok, good to go. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 13:33:01 GMT -5
You forget that Germans love trash Yikes, I hope I didn't come across too harshly on that band (or others like those)! To each, his/her own. It's enough that someone likes it---regardless of my own likes/dislikes. I realize I'm sorta snobby with my musical preferences. I'll try to do better. *puts on some RUSH and meditates* ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 13:16:17 GMT -5
Yeah I have seen past episodes. And I remember how Christian was with Coco. He had such passion and quick temper at moments. I do believe Christian had a crush on Oli when he was with Coco, but he didn't start to realize it until Oli kissed him. Has Christian even talk to Coco recently, you would think he would let her know what happen between him and Oli. She did guess it and it seems from her letter that she left she was supportive of Christian's love for Oli. What do you mean stereo-type? I love the honest true love relationship that Oli and Christian have. They connect with each to each others souls and have that special once in a lifetime-over the moon-heart pounding-butterflies in stomach real love. Where you can be vulnerable and make mistakes and be at your lowest point and the other looks at you equally. They don't look down or up, but you are their equal and you feel whole when they are near. You see yourself in your lover's eyes and you see the person you are, how they see everything about you but love you completely warts and all. Neither of the boys have ever had this kind of relationship I think. Tom and Coco may have come close at moments, but didn't really skim the surface. bah, it was late, late night again---and I may have been reading some other thread and stupidly posting to this one or whatever. I gotta stop, slow down so I can stay clear heheh Or, just stop posting when I'm nearly falling asleep. Just, nm me! ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 13:11:27 GMT -5
Yes, thank you very much!
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 13:09:03 GMT -5
Thanks, lola
Yeah, the dialog slowed enough for me to catch that part. I was wondering if Christian was going to say the same back: exactly. He looks a little uncomfortable, then opts for 'the same back at you'.
Then, ruhroh! The disgusting Grandetzki or whatever, lurches out of the shadows and sees all!
My German improves slowly, but still I must rely on our dear Translation Team for all the details.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 2:05:52 GMT -5
But you see, putting it in a tube means that it's easier to draw a mustard smiley face on things Err, I think this probably makes us officially way off topic. BTW, Vl completionists, have you ever heard of the band called Bloodhound gang? Over here they had some success with the songs Bad Touch ("You and me, baby, let's do it like they do it on the discovery channel!") and Along comes Mary ("The roof, the roof, the roof is on fire"). The actress who plays Sarah plays the bass player in real life and so they invited him over for a guest stint and you can see a behind the scenes video. They actually look really cute and he mostly speaks English. Nothing on our guys though. Wooooooow, I haven't heard "Bad Touch" in years. Feel old now! Thanks Lola for the info. Speaking as a Musician? The market worked it's will. That has got to be the worst band I have ever heard---including the recent garage-grunge bands with their chromatic hemi-demi-semi-quaver thrash-o-matic, eternal guitar finger-flying scales. It's horrible. It will always be horrible. I hope this style of music dies---umm, like, right now. Forever. er, Eternally. Did I mention I hate this crap? Oh, yeah, guess I did. Make Mine RUSH! Or, if you don't have a RUSH CD, for the GODS sake, put on some Tull or Kansas! Geoff ;D
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 1:25:48 GMT -5
Maybe it's a side effect of the German love for sausage (who usually always go with mustard). Because tube means that you can easily carry it around everywhere. Though technically, as a non mustard eating person myself, mustard for me mainly shows up during barbecue and sometimes during breakfast. May I ask, since you get your mustard in jars, does that mean you often smear your mustard on something? Because we usually use it for dipping. Mustards of all kinds! Many of the labels claim they are from Germany or Europe. Or, at the very least, inspired from those in the former. I can't live without mustard. Of all kinds. And, apparently, we have access to those from all over the World, should you believe the advertisements. I've no doubt you'd shake your head in disdain over the various jars claiming German heritage. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 1:19:42 GMT -5
I was looking over the description of Thursday's ep... yes, it's a Christian & Olli day... and I decided to check out some of the profiles cause I was curious about some of the other actors on the show. Some things just don't translate well across the pond cause looking at KD's music interests ( www.daserste.de/verboteneliebe/darsteller_dyn~darsteller,608~cm.asp... aldebaran beware as there is mention of spaghetti bolognese. ), I have to ask... as a Black person... what exactly is "Black music"? Cause that just ain't right if it's that's what hip-hop/rap is called cause that's not just "Black music", especially when there are not only Black folks who don't listen to it, there are also non-Black people who are artists in that music genre. Aside from that jarring read, I am amused that the actors astrology signs are listed. And now that I know Milan is 21 years old, I feel wrong lusting after him. I am looking forward to Thursday's episode. Laptop day. OH MY GOD! Can't you all realize how beautiful Kristina is from this shot??? I mean, I'm Gay---and even if there was an occasion or situation where I found her with me, well....*shakes out of it*. She's a hottie! Now, come on! ;D Geoff PS: lest you all freak, no, no, no---Oli and Christian forever! ;D
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 5, 2008 0:53:52 GMT -5
I see what you are saying. Yeah, that's the stereo-type. Have you watched the older episodes? I think in the last episode I saw where Christian throws the steroids into the trash, he has finally come to realize that someone loves him---simply because he exists. That's a very, very profound realization. He's not used to ever feeling this about someone else; and, he wants to; and, he does, finally realize that he feels the same way about Oliver. True Love is hard and, at the same, so easy. It means you care so much about someone else, that you stop caring about yourself (not to the point where you no longer matter). Perhaps I should say, you continue to care about yourself, but, at the same time, you care MORE for your lover. This, the way Thore is playing it, is the hook that reaches deep within the soul---he plays it as if, for the first time, he realizes someone cares about him to this extent. And, why do I love Oliver? Because he is capable of showing this love. Without recrimination, without conditions, without remorse or shame or anything else except acceptance of his own feelings. That's all he asks. That's all he'll ever ask ( though he's no push-over and he'll definitely let you know when you CROSS THE LINE! heh) As for sex fuelling energy output: heh heh. well, that's Kundalini magick. I've only practiced that once in my life. The details, I will NEVER share with strangers. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 4, 2008 17:29:35 GMT -5
Hey all!
I've just recently returned to the dating scene, have met an good guy and we are moving slowly closer. Slow is how I want it right now, as I've been out of the social scene for many a year. By choice.
So, enter in the new guy. Generally intelligent, up on current-events here in the US, taller than me, stronger than me (and I'm quite strong), masculine like me and I'd say, average looks like me. Physical contact feels good---though, as I said or implied rather, we are going very slow in the more, ahem, intimate aspects. ahem.
Those are the positive qualities. Here are the negatives:
Strongly opinionated on certain issues (mainly political). Bad dresser! He's an outdoors kinda guy and gives short shrift to any sort of fashionable look. And, the biggie: only his closest family members know he's Gay. He hasn't even told his best friend.
And, I'm becoming irritated about it. Of course, of course, I'll never pressure anyone into 'coming out'. We all know this has to be fully chosen by each of us, the how, the where and the why. I know I shouldn't find this annoying, but it is.
Soon, I'm going up to his place to spend some time with him 'in the country' and I keep thinking: what if his best friend shows up? What am I supposed to do? Stop hugging him then? How do I explain who the hell I am? What if the guy starts to suspect something and it all comes out---in the wrong way. Nevermind the fact that I think anyone who would drop a long-time best friend because it turns out they are Gay isn't really a friend. I don't want to be responsible for this happening.
I have no idea what to do or say--even if I should say anything to him about it. But I can't deny that it rankles; I won't be able to hide this.
Any ideas?
Geoff
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