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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 17:47:25 GMT -5
Oh, thanks. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 17:43:55 GMT -5
I guess I should explain:
This is a poem inspired by JRR Tolkien's 'The Silmarillion', one of my all-time favorite works. I've actually had someone translate it into Sindarin, but have since lost this somewhere. If I find it, I'll put it up.
Frodo Lives!
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 17:40:07 GMT -5
I doubt it will be anything that interferes. It kinda felt more like an in-joke to me ;D (Kitty isn't even a full character in the context of the show, she is more like Angelo or the Lahnstein butler) Good! I'll rest a bit easier then. ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 17:37:25 GMT -5
ho ho ho! is that what happened? Not really being so good at german, I pretty much just heard Olli and figured that's what he was laughing about.. lol. Well, I'm going by the translation posted on YouTube. It has Christian saying to Judith: "Oooh! Watch out, if you wanna bring me down you need to think of something else! I've already left Olli behind" (with a big, thoughtless, bad boyfriend grin on his face! ). Got a link to that? I can't seem to find it. thanks Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 17:33:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I'd probably be a bit pissed-off were that to happen to me, as well.
heh heh heh
My significant-other would think twice about doing that to me a second time.
heh heh heh
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 14:22:08 GMT -5
Well given the extraordinary extent to which they've seemingly manscaped his upper body I'm a little surprised the people over in hair/makeup/waxing didn't assault the legs too. Don't worry Jo, it's okay for guys to have hair on their bodies. No, really. More than ok, actually ;D The only thing I'd recommend for Jo appearance-wise would be to get a tan, somehow. He does look a bit pale here and there. And, strange observation here, but doesn't Jo look more, hmm, buff, than Thore? Of course, Thore is bigger, but it seems to me he's not as cut as Jo. Not that that matters to me, really, just something I took note of in passing. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 14:15:42 GMT -5
So, is this the first reference to Olli having had sex with Kitty (Adrian's assisstant?). Somehow I think it was mentioned before, but I can't pinpoint it. I'd rather not know anything more about this heh heh. Nor do I want it to interfere with Olli and Christian's relationship. Of course, that's probably just fallout from talking with my new love-interest. He keeps talking about a time when he was, er, became intimate with women. I'll forgo the details enough to say I start squirming a bit when he brings it up. Getting the same feeling just from your one sentence, lola----isn't that foolish! ;D PS: squirming with a hint of jealousy, nothing more hehhehe Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 12:57:03 GMT -5
"I forgot a word but that sentence should make more sense now. I explained my defense of Olivia to psionycx just now but to clarify it's not defending Olivia's actions/behavior per se but more dissecting what we've been shown versus bias that is unsubstantiated in regards to a character's motivations & actions. I don't care if people don't like her but I do care that the reasons stated are things we've either been shown or have been told versus pure conjecture or things never relayed to the audience. Get where I am going? I spent too much time in debate club. " Ahh, gotcha. All is clear now. Thankee Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 12:55:41 GMT -5
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 0:57:15 GMT -5
Is Jo kidding? “As a German – wow! I definitely have been lucky that so far there have been no scenes where one could see my incredibly hairy legs. Anyway, I’m really proud that I made it on your list. Thanks a lot!” —Jo Weil, Verbotene Liebe (Forbidden Love) There was one scene...and we know which....and the man is sexy! Jo, doood, you are all man Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 0:31:35 GMT -5
Hello, all! Below is a poem I wrote some time ago in reverence for the Silmarillion:
enjoy, if you wish:
ALQUALONDE
Long ago on the silver shores of Alqualonde, I clutched the Noldorin gems: Cold gleams stained with argent sand, Piercing pearls like fallen stars in teeming tidal pools.
In my song and memory, still I stand there, looking Outward from the Deathless Shores upon a disturbing Sea, the tickled waters where Ulmo's treasured shrouds Are so profound, even Mandos knows not their Deeps.
And I recalled the dark before it was darkness, The light before lightless shadow swooped, Mocking Manwe's Eagles, veiling Varda's dome With Melko's hate and Ungoliant's venomed breath.
Light before Sun and Moon was forever perished, Irrevocable, but endured in silima and song. Yet Elentari's tears, so fiercely shimmering, Relit the sightless shores and distant brow of Eldamar.
I sang my song to the timeless winds and waves Brushing the blessed brink, guiltless yet gored, So the sand was as woe'd with wounds As Manwe's heart by Feanaro's broken vow.
Mighty came the Mariners in their samite ships To berth the foam-specked quays with periling Shadows that keened the Calaciryan glimmering, Like Noldorin blades upraised in everduring challenge.
But I tarried there on the shores of Shadowmere, And stilled my melancholy songs: Cold lays weeping with rue'd dismay, Sorrowing airs on the silver shores of Alqualonde.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 2, 2008 0:09:22 GMT -5
Bchick, please edit this sentence:
And that "extenuating circumstance" is your opinion as there might be folks who like her for than that reason just like there are various reasons why people dislike her.
because it's not making much sense to me in English.
Also (don't you love that 'also' has a different meaning in German? heh), I'm wondering why you feel the need to defend Olivia? Subjectively, she really doesn't need or want your defense. She's quite adequate unto herself---at least for now. We can chortle about the Golden Boy with feet of clay as we wish...or, Golden Girl, in this case, nicht wahr?
Any writer worth his salt will soon make use of Olivia in the proper manner.
Methinks
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 21:46:00 GMT -5
Good discussion on Olivia (my 3rd fav on the show!).
I don't know her background, but from a few things Charlie has said about their family, I can understand how things might've turned out this way. Dare I say it, but it's the same thing, but to lesser degree one finds in Harry Potter. Similar hardships afflict both Harry and Voldemort, and we can witness the dramatic differences between them. Voldemort didn't have an Olli to mitigate his final outcome; but Olivia does.
I think a vital episode has yet to be cap'ed: the one where Olivia is at Schneiders and overhears a table of women chatting and goes into a daydream where she is scorned and ridiculed by both Olli and Charlie. That scenario seemed to have a vivid impact on our anti-heroine. The German flew too fast for me to catch, alas, but apparently she was overcome with the notion of her own lackluster life AND concern for possible derision from both Olli and Charlie. BTW, if it has been cap'ed already, please pardon me as I will search it out on the instant should anyone care to inform me otherwise.
Olivia has been done badly and so shall she do to all others---sparing Olli as best she can (she even tries to tell him that she screwed-up and let CoCo know he kissed Christian. Olli blew her off, so she was thinking: well, I tried. Moving on...LOL)
Olivia is right for the wrong reasons. I hope, one day, she truly falls in love---really, absolutely. Then we shall see her pangs of agony as she tries to convince everyone around her that 'it's for real' with limited success, no doubt. Can you imagine a scenario wherein Christian is the only one to believe her? LOL
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 20:56:57 GMT -5
You should totally ask that That said, they mentioned in the Giga interview that there is a lot of laughing when somebody gets their lines wrong a lot. I have a somewhat different take on Coco. I think during the Nico times she got used to being the better friend to Christian, the one he confided in, the one who would believe in him when Nico wouldn't, the one who really "got" his quirks when Nico didn't, the one who could read him better than Nico, the one who understood his worldview. I think it really threw her a lot when she suddenly no longer was that person, when this started to slip away from her. Like when the whole sport university thing came up and there was even a scene where she told somebody, I think Sarah, "He used to come to me with this stuff". I wouldn't mind her coming back because I think she was a nice person and she actually was a rather good friend to Christian. So I wouldn't mind her coming back just to be a friend to our guys, even if I don't think that she would work as a romantic partner for Christian again. But they used to be friends, then they started a relationship, it didn't work out, but maybe they could be friends again? Ahh, thanks. I think I'll do it As for a return of Coco? I have mixed feelings, lola. Speaking as a writer, I'd say it could be very interesting--supposing, again as a writer, I allowed her farewell commentary to stand: she wishes Christian happiness with his coming to terms with his real feelings. As a viewer, however, I worry this might cause problems for all of them. There is some guilt to be shared amongst the three, IMO. Olliver, we know, never intended to sabotage Christian's relationship and he truly wanted to just be friends with CoCo. Gods, I've been in this kind of situation and, to this day, it still causes me pangs of guilt---though I honestly didn't mean to break anyone up. Sometimes, however, you cannot convey your intentions properly. If CoCo came back with a fury and ready to sabotage things, man, that would, well, just suck heh. I'd be stressed-out badly. I suppose, to be honest here, that I'm still waiting for the hammer to fall. Now that a healthy, fun, caring Gay relationship is public and popular on TV, I'm dreading the inevitable downfall typical TV writers will eventually think is 'neat' or 'dramatic'. It's a matter of perspective, again. But, on a lighter note, yeah, I guess I'll write these guys (and Olivia and Charlie and the unseen heroes: the writers and production team!) and tell them what a great job they are doing. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 20:19:15 GMT -5
I have to agree: it was Chris who told her to get out. Olli was, once again, merely standing ready to intervene, being primarily ready to tear Chris's head off for even *thinking* about steroids.
And, I have to say (as I have before) that Olivia is one of my favorites. If something needs telling, she's going to be the one to tell it, for good or ill.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 20:10:01 GMT -5
nodsnods to psionycx
Full agreement--especially your insight into Christian and CoCo's relationship.
Yeah, it's the friendship AND the romantic relationship that keeps me hooked. That's a rare thing indeed.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 18:33:00 GMT -5
Perhaps, one day, Olli will finally get fed up with their attitudes towards each other and then let them both have it for acting like kids on the playground.
For now, I just get the feeling he's tracking both of them to make sure neither one gets out of hand or says something too severe? You know, the way he seems to watch each of them when they start it up.
Anyway, I agree it was hard to determine who said it (ZACK). I need to rewatch because it really seemed to be Olli when he's looking at her...
PS: like I need an excuse to watch it again LOL
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 18:23:51 GMT -5
Yay for the translation team! Love ya!
This one, especially, I like. Like someone said in another thread: whoever kisses Olli is enchanted forever! heh
Now, I want to try and see what it's all about
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 9:27:34 GMT -5
Olliver is more concerned about Christian than he is about himself. And, I think, Christian feels this way now about Olli---and it appears he's not used to this, in a way. Thore has altered the way he speaks for the character in a very personal way, I believe---very moving to me. Very moving to me too, Geoff--and so is the way you talk about it. Greg Well, thanks, man I'd have to say I'm still surprised by my enthrallment with this show. I don't watch TV, really, beyond the occasional political speech or something from Food Network that I want to learn how to cook. Really strange, for me. ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 9:01:04 GMT -5
heh, thanks, aldebaran I named my truck after a song by RUSH---but as you know, Rocinante has a more famous source. I liked CoCo, but not for Christian or even for Olli. Not sure who I'd pair her up with, however. When I go back through a review of all the episodes with her, Christian and Olliver, she strikes me as rather shallow and finicky. I never see any conversation between her and Christian as I do between he and Olliver. Olliver is more concerned about Christian than he is about himself. And, I think, Christian feels this way now about Olli---and it appears he's not used to this, in a way. Thore has altered the way he speaks for the character in a very personal way, I believe---very moving to me. It's different than the way he spoke during the CoCo situation (though didn't I read that he and the actress didn't really get along? who knows...) Anyway, my plan was to simply ignore these 'boxing episodes' because I dislike the Sport, itself---though I used to train in martial arts, myself. But not for the purpose of competiton. But, one look at the expressions on the guys' faces during their argument and well, I couldn't stop myself. ;D I'd really like to write these two and ask them some silly questions, like: do you guys ever breakdown and laugh while filming? Ok, for real, who would win in a real fight? That sorta nonsense heh. Could be funny. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 8:45:54 GMT -5
heh!
Well, can't say I disagree. Olivia really only thinks about herself when it comes to the bottom-line. Perhaps one day, she'll have an honest-to-goodness emotional involvement with someone else and we'll see a dramatic change.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 2:00:40 GMT -5
I'll go back on topic myself and say the latest epi was very moving to me. The look in Christian's eyes when he's talking to Olli---during the fight and during the make-up scene---so beautiful, so handsome, so enthralling.
I wish we had actors like this in the States who have the power to evoke such depth of feeling from me. So far, only foreign actors can do this to me: Ian Mckellen, for example (probably spelled his name wrong), Patrick Stewart, and so on. I now shall add Jo and Thore to this list with glee.
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 1, 2008 0:16:24 GMT -5
Sometimes I think about Coco (not so much Pepper, actually). I'd like her to come back to the show some day. I'd like to see her interact with O&C. It would be interesting and funny. I hope she didn't leave for good (she's supposed to stay away for 6 months, but who knows?). I'd like that too; and the boys could ask her to be a surrogate mother... not right away of course... but somewhere down the line and then the show would get to tackle a truly controversial issue: gay parenting. I've always considered Pepper as a male dog, for no reason but because "pepper" in Italian is a male noun, so it's rather automatic for me. The same for the duck, I'd say "she" but I know it's nonsense; it's so strange that English nouns have no gender. Strange maybe, but doesn't it simplify the learning process? Not having to worry about a chair being a he or a she sure made it easier for me. Note however that there are unofficial exceptions: "Isn't she a beauty?" (sailor talking about his ship); "She'll fly through the worst weather," (airman); "Who's daddy's little girl?" "Isn't he smart?" (petowner). Yes, this simplifies things greatly. In English, inanimate objects are neuter (no gender) and take neutral pronouns: that, it, etc. The exceptions about aircraft and boats are a few that do. Also cars/trucks will most often be called 'she' by most----though I break the rule when I please. I've named my truck, Rocinante and call it 'him'. Most people would consider this unnecessary strangeness. One of the hardest parts for Americans, IMO, in learning a foreign language is the insistence on gender-based articles, pronouns, etc. It makes very little sense to us, I'm afraid. I find it fascinating, myself, though. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 21:12:48 GMT -5
Please be careful not to talk about future events, since some people don't like to know what's gonna happen in the next episodes. There's a proper thread about that called "Spoiler discussion". Thanks. ETA: Oops, the Moderator has just put a comment above, without mentioning it, perhaps I'm too strict! ;D Sorries! I'm talking in so many different posts, it's hard to keep track. Thanks to Bchick for catching that and fixing. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on May 31, 2008 16:32:29 GMT -5
ahh, thanks!
I never noticed this, guys. Thanks, gast48
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