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Post by stregatta on May 16, 2010 11:32:09 GMT -5
Nuke get closer this next week. Reid finds out and is mad and pressures Luke into taking their relationship further (possibly sex). anything. As I see it, Luke doesn’t need any “pressure”. He’s been quite receptive when it comes to intimacy with Reid. Also, Reid doesn’t seem to be the kind of guy who gets off on sex with “victims”. After Luke broke off their kiss Reid quickly cooled himself down and instead of "forcing" Luke into anything he tried to calm him down. When he offered to button up Luke's shirt that was a clear sign to me that (under those circumstances) sex was definitely off the table for him. What I don’t like about your suggested scenario is that Luke comes across as a passive billiard ball pushed around by Noah and Reid. Not only that Reid doesn’t seem to be into playing games (due to lack of time and too much of an ego) but also last week’s episodes have shown that Luke is ready to call the shots. If anything, he’s the cue but not the ball, IMO. I also fail to see a classical love-triangle playing out on screen, meaning someone being torn between two lovers. For me, it’s rather a case of someone slowly saying “Goodbye” to a man he has been in love with for a long time (with all the difficulties that come along with it e.g. saying goodbye to one’s owns ideas/ideals of love like “forever” and “the/only one”) while, at the same time, tentatively saying “Hello” to another man (that he might fall in love with). And that's also where the spoilers are pointing at, IMO. Welcome Amala! &...You've read my mind!! Obviously the imagined scenario of MD has his own meaning & sense, it could be...Almost everything has happened before I guess in soaps like ATWT... 1) If they ever go for sex, Lure had to be in it 100%, if not all the idea of this triangle is a fake1... ; besides, I've seen too that Luke is for real drawned to Reid, against mummy & Noah's own loving ideas (with pleasure, because I was cluless about where the writers wanted this weird connection between Luke & Reid to go exactly...). Obviously by both L. & R. there have been a logical step-by-step modality to walk that way & come to this "almost in love" of today 2) Between Lure there has been a mutual attraction, against their own very nature, more or less from the start; hence, like you said, I didn't have the impression of Luke having Reid just as a "consolation-prize" at all...It's more a morality that Luke has got within himself, that brings him often closer to Noah, because he's a faithful good guy by nature (more a Snyder than a Grimaldi , until now at least!) 3) At the moment I've witnessed too (as usual it's just my POV anyway), that it looks like Luke is struggling mostly with himself than with Noah's past...Hence it's pretty obvious that slowly he's falling for Reid (obviously the sexual attraction was already there since ages! )... I hope this is the case of Luke "a new man" really in love with Reid; with Noah trying to make amends & wanting him back for the future...Until now, I guess nobody could really tell if it's meant to be a real triangle, or, like seemed to me too, more Luke wanting to move on & Noah fading away (more than usual... ;D). Anyway for sure after these next eps, we'll have clearer ideas!
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 16:44:01 GMT -5
I don't know what will be Richard role in all this, some people say that his relationship with Noah was more than a simply date, and i read from a Jake's site that he is only a friend who will help Noah to give Luke a surprise. But even if Luke misunderstand their relationship, i highly doubt that he will have sex with Reid because of jelousy. If Noah wasn't in bad condition, Luke would be with Reid right now. He has feelings for Noah, in at this moment he is closer to Reid. I don't think the secret relationship last long, i think Noah will discover them sooner than later. And yes, he will be hurt, but as long as Luke doesn't make promises to him, he won't have the right to complain (but if he does, it'll be understable, because he probably will fell double betrayed) Thanks for the Richard's news! Now we could imagine that he's some kind of role in the whole situation, even if it's not important to the actual triangle...I've remembered that Noah on the roof told Luke that there were things he ignored, about his life, among the rest...That could lead to the spoiler, in which seems that Luke will discover somthing surprising about Noah's life! & yep, I don't think too that Lure, if ever had sex for real, will do it out of jealousy-issue, both of them
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 15:53:44 GMT -5
Wow, such a romantic POV caitlinp!! I'm thinking, especially after last bunch of eps, that should be that way...Also because, again, if it's the contrary, we won't for real have this love-triangle to start with fire... What we're going to have otherwise?? Noah that, as in the recent ep. displayed, thought to have been there by Luke's side, "more or less" all the time, (even if audience & Luke had get all another vibe )?!? I was already bothered to see that writers have chosen to not letting Noah go for at least a while, for letting Lure (literally) burnt , & just then, on a 2nd time, comparing the 2 dilemmas for Luke to choose... Anyway, it's not bad like this too, because it seems we'll have a hot secret affair between them, & it'll be delightful to see Reid all bitchy-jealous & Noah all astonished-hurt
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 15:06:36 GMT -5
Yes MD, I know about absurd Nuke's block (it's incredible, from a fictional narrative POV I mean, but understandable for the mainstream tv then...We've still the same problem here, not for films but yet with tv! ), & if the same rule is still on, we won't see sex at all...AH-AH!! ;D That said, I meant that it looks like Lure are already a couple, but actually they are NOT: hence probably we should have a change in this sense, even if there's no love-making, I'm curious to watch if they'll be allowed to be a couple in a 1st place, or Noah will always stay stuck to Luke (more than before?!) like a puppy...Otherwise this triangle is just "written on paper" All in all, after reading that specific spoiler I don't think Bob will help for Reid's personality, but it looks more like a real issue ...Oh well, it could be also linked to his past, we'll see, it's a little too soon perhaps to understand more of it...
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 14:53:02 GMT -5
By the way, the storyline must be really addictive when we are analyzing a random sentence of a preview Of course slightly obsessed I'd add, LOL ....Anyway, some1 have a vague idea, Reid's sentence apart, about the last spoilers posted by md?! I'm curious...Besides how can so many details happening in a single ep?!
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 14:23:39 GMT -5
Yep, it could be MD, & thanks for the last shot of spoilers... What do you guys think?! Furthermore, how it's possible that so much it's going on in just 1 ep. this week?! It looks like it's material for at least 2 eps... I guess that right after the Nuke's sweet connection, Reid will go to Luke for an explanation about his real feelings, & probably then we'll have the sex-scene...Because I mean, everywhere (more or less) it's said that Lure is becoming a "couple"...Or instead it's just the usual on-off relationship?! Last but not least, if even Bob will help Reid, what kind of bad thing could have happened to him?! I'm a bit cluless right now...Perhaps Noah will feel suddendly ill after having witnessed the "truth", regardless of all Lure's effort to cover it...
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Post by stregatta on May 15, 2010 12:45:23 GMT -5
Well, english is not my mother language so i probably get it wrong, but what i understand is "you'll be pretty much guaranteeing that he will never see you again" that's funny you're asking ,cos as i can see no one of native english speakers could explain this line for sure,lol, Nuke fans saying that Reid wants keep their relationship in secret and LuRe fans saying totally opposite that Reid wants Luke be honest with Noah,anyway i think we just have to wait and see how it will play out. For me that line just cut of context. Ciao & yep, LOL! ;D When the 1st promo came out, an American friend told me too "I've no clue about the meaning?!" ...& 1st time I've listened to it I thought about "seeing me again"...But it was wrong, it's right instead what José & Hawthorne said Thinking about the meaning of that wierd line.... 1st of all it wasn't the same moment (the already famous "hand stuck on the neck xever!" ) but surely after that tenderness, because Luke has changed his clothes (oddly enough, not his hair this time! ) then after Noah's ( coming in to interrupt that intimate speech ...& BTW why the film lasted so little time?! )... I don't think it's something so "out of the world", simply it could be that for the blood-pressure or however the full recovery of Noah, Reid will tell Luke to be patient, & perhaps waiting for him to be better before risking to ruin it all ... Because 1st it comes the health of N. of course, you know...& what it will be the next sux-clever idea?? Curing poor N. with a pair of 3_D glasses?!? LMFAO ;D PS_I'm still laughing for the scene of surprising N., that after having been blind for months, as 1st thing wants to go out watching directly the SUN (initially I thought the scene was supposed to be at night!) & not happy yet, agrees to watch (BLURY) a movie??!! (If some1else had had an eyes' surgery too, knows that you've at least to stay blindfonded after it for days, & after always to use dark specs in the daylight...But perpahs, this being a brain-operation, we're supposed to believe that it's correct...Well, but didn't the fireworks explode right into his face?!? Ok, suspension of disbelief, but cam'on, SO SILLY!! )
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 19:15:27 GMT -5
I could agree that Noah is more mature than Luke, but Luke (with all his flaws and his mistakes) show a lot more commitment to their relationship than Noah. It was always clear that Luke loves Noah and he will be there for him, i don't get the same vibe from Noah, who usually becomes cold and distant when the situation doesn't suit him IMHO I agree with your POV...& Always considering that this is a fictional series,not a documentary, I tend to see & enjoy characters not as example or else, simply for entertainment purposes (well, sometimes if the show is so excellent, something lasts over its end or could be taken as example, but it's very rare+it's not the point here...) That said, the issue with Noah_alias_written character , apart from wanting to be sux precise about his steps (or Luke's in the middle of their route), is within his lacking of "substance" & like shameless said (if I'm not wrong), it's all we've got as a matter of fact (& well, obviously also the actor who plays the role could give another important 40%, I can imagine, to the success & fulfillment of the plot... At the beginning of Nuke's plot (I didn't know the soap, even that Luke-role was before & BTW more up-front in the SL), I had the impression too about his being the most mature & serious boy between the 2, but step by step the plot went on, frankly I had the opposite feeling...& Luke always seemed the 1more dedicated & in love with the other, while Noah more & more far away or almost more interested in helping others than Luke. I didn't think about abusive relationship honestly, but simply that he seemed selfish & like "not much in love", especially to be considered a sort of sux romantic "Romeo"...& even nowadays, I didn't heart for his condition that much, because I guess the main issue is that JS yet isn't able to deliver an intense acting to the audience (or perhaps not such in line with his great partner?! Anyway generally something IMO didn't clicked the right way : ... Hence I'm glad to see a refreshing brand new Lure! BTW it's also true that before judging the whole performance we've to wait them not just hooked up but as a real couple, than we could tell more about their respective roles & if the chemestry will last the test of their not being simply "frenemies" or random lovers
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 17:20:54 GMT -5
^^ yea, just the time it takes for Jake and Van to finish their moves.. I would presume. Yep, it's ok, I was thinking the same...Hence they will make this pause & probably after they'll stick to ATWT to the very end, I guess PS_What you think about "sight returns at a steer cost"?! I was wondering, it could be somethig not medical, like a disease, but simply, that he's cheated by Lure for plot's sake (whatever ) & then, as soon as he's on 7th heaven because there's this "miracle" of his sight fully in order again, he'll run to Luke's home to tell how happy he's...Finding him "playing doctor" with Reid!!! Oh my, it makes sense, it's even hilariously HOT?! ;D
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 17:14:39 GMT -5
BTW do you mean about July-period, isn't it?! Ok, no problem, I simply wish to see at least in this period going on some action, if not there will be almost the end of the show & we won't have seen the development of the core of this plot?? NO WAY!!
They're kidding...It had better to be right now the best, furthermore to give people the right time to choose the "Team", isn't it?! ;-D) (Thanks x the news MD ;-*)
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 16:55:42 GMT -5
I could just be a typo they forgot it but the spoiler "Luke and Reid decide to go for it" is not in the spoilers anymore. I"m hearing that the storyline on the backburner basically for July. They are taping some scenes outside the studio. WHAT THE HECK?!? But if it's 1 of the most discussed SLs right now, & Reid is intertwined into others 1s as well...How could it possibly be?! Besides, there are so many rumours around the net, it's better that them carefully... Last but not least, it's out just right now A NEW SPOILER_PREVIEW, it's slightly longer, BTW after the scene between Lure, there's Noah happy & calm in his hospital bed, with Luke at his side, & he tells "What's going on between you 2?!" & Luke turned his head to Reid, who's about to walk out of the room, & L. makes 1 of his half cute grin ;D... (I'm so waiting to see more of them 2gether at this stage...Even if it's to see how their menage would work...Surely it'll be fun to watch, because even in the darker & saddest of eps, there is at least 1 Reid's line which it's going to make you smile! )
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 15:31:13 GMT -5
Anthony at AE seems to think that the promo is out of context that Reid is trying to get Luke to tell Noah the truth. I'm sure he knows but that statement sure sounds pretty definitive to me. Thanks I've seen the preview now & yep, apparently it seems that Lure can't go for it, because of the long complications of Noah's surgery (do you remember when Dr was talking about the cure still ahead of Noah?! Even if he sounded even too "safe & sound!" to me )...But then I've thought, if it's like that, why Reid was indirectly pushing Luke for making a decision & choosing to be with him anyway? Oh well, it could have been a different choice, like that Luke had to step back from Noah in a 1st place, & then even together with Reid, Noah wouldn't have known for the moment... Frankly it doesn't seem so perfect as a statement, does it? Probably it's true what Anthony & others told about the point: it's out of contest, & Reid actually wanted to say something faking to repeat what he thought Luke's thinking would have been regarding the issue (as he did for "you're just trying to make up for the fact you kissed me!" )
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Post by stregatta on May 14, 2010 6:59:59 GMT -5
Thanks for the latest spoilers md1347! Hence now it's clear that Noah didn't catch the 2 love-birds in the hospital (not a surprise for me...); I didn't like so much instead that Nuke are still so friends that Luke can't see straight & be clear with Reid, but he's swaying between Reid & Noah like this... I was hoping on a 1st place that writers would have left some free space to Lure to bond together, & then, aftermath, the big question for Luke "to come back to 1st love or look forward" ... Anyway I can't be too harsh because even in this actual situation, they gave Reid all the room to develop as a character & the favourite role of the "brooding lover" I guess (very soon we'll see for sure )?!
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Post by stregatta on May 13, 2010 19:33:10 GMT -5
Reid pays the price Hey, I wonder if Noah finds out about LuRe because Reid doesn't tell Luke that Noah is behind him and lets Luke continue to bitch or something. Just jumping at straws here. Oh my...No actually I don't even think that there'll be a between Lure after the scene we've witnessed today, with Noah peeping through the window (there's never a curtain in Soapland, when you really really needed 1! ;D); as usual they'll go all embarassed by Noah's opening the door, Reid will tell him to go to bed, & that was making excuses with Luke, that he didn't mean to be rude, but simply caring of him as a patient... There'll be for sure a 2nd time, where instead Luke will make the big decision move toward Reid, & will GO X IT; so they'll have a deep clarification between them, & after having seen the AMAZING sexual tension of these last eps, now I also bet that they'll be the 1 who will have SEX!! After all this MUCH going on, since Nuke stay BTW ambiguous friends, it'll come a day, perhaps in hospital (or Luke's home), that Noah is going to literally bump into Lure in the middle of action...Kissing I guess this time! & obviously ALL HELLS BREAKS LOOSE & lots of fire among our beloved triangle! That's my POV's idea so far... Anyway, I've UTTERLY loved the way things are smoothly going through Lure's direction (the hopefully Noah's metaphorical awakening too & the fact he's not blind anymore, hence both Reid & Luke could go on with their lives...& so N., of course! We'll see which are the surprises he yet has to share with the audience...: I'm liking very much the dynamic among the characters, linked together or showed "in parallel". On a 1st view I was mad at Lily & glad to hear (previously) Katie's speech...At the end I've realized too, like others, that it depends where this statement comes from, who the speaker is: that's important because it's an hint writers is sending to us... Perhaps all in all, I'm still afraid that at the end writers have to choose between "sort of REALITY"_alias LURE, versus "sort of FAIRY TALE"_alias NUKE for multiple reasons...& even if often people here make such clever mental constructions about what's would be like in real life, I still guess they'll be stick to their fictional Soapland world...Hence I don't know if to or actually ?! We're going see, in the meantime I'm enjoying much this 1 shot NB_About Dr's paying the PRICE?? It's still blury ....It could be again for malpractice? I guess NOT, once it's enough, at least for now... For Noah's surgery I don't think, unless further complications, he's still an uber-doc ...Well?? Probably that anger upset Noah will try to get his hands all over Luke?! So that Reid will imagine that Luke is only chaeting on him, instead behind his back he's still Noah's sex-slave?! Ok, I'm joking here...But it could be something linked to already displayed Dr's jealousy (I like him more JAGO than ever!! ;D) PS_ Brecthje_I've listened with headphones to your supposed-kissing-scene, & unfortunately NO KISS, it's simply a sound Luke or Reid made with the mouth, you know, it's like a toungue-click (sort of...), without h. I wouldn't even have noticed it...(Frankly, how much OBSESSED we already are with this SL?! :oJeez...Some1 call a Dr please, ehm...Better if Dr O is free!! ) _ Jessiebanana_Your old 1 about"the guy running for love under the rain" Austen's reference much?! If I don't get wrong it should be Mr Knightly towards Emma, isn't it?! I've liked it too...It's funny 'cause, it's like dear Jane is the mother of all soaps' writers (well, only way better?! LOL ) & I've had recalled istead, watching the last Luke's romantic turn, Pride & Prejudice a bit for the dynamic (also Darcy seemed to be "arrogant" like Reid! )
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Post by stregatta on May 13, 2010 18:59:07 GMT -5
Hi, I'm new here been lurking for a long time and decided to come out of hiding. I know at first I didn't like Reid, I thought he was a big jerk but I'm warming to him. he' good for Luke. The same things Luke likes about Reid I lik. Especially after all the shit Noah but him through Reid is a breath of fresh air. I kind of separate Reid and Dr. Oliver. It kind of ticked me off that Noah just assumed he could get Luke back just like that after using him as his punching bag for months. They are really gonna have to redeem Noah to make me want him back with Luke. Welcome baby! & about Reid versus Dr O....Anyone else thought about DR JECKYLL & MR HIDE?! LOL...Version HOT & COLD+2.0, of course.... PS_IMO regarding Noah's acting & role in the plot, I haven't seen much of a change too... (at least until now; slightly better in today's ep., but quite frankly I'm too focused into FIRESTARTER_LURE ;D at the moment, sorry! )
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Post by stregatta on May 7, 2010 19:35:23 GMT -5
Hi everyone. I am not new but I don't post often. I have to say I stopped watching ATWT for a while because it just became so boring but I am watching again because of the story line with Reid/Luke/Noah. I think the catastrophic consequence for Noah is going to see Luke and Reid in a close intimate moment I am dying for those 2 to just get together. I am hoping that Luke goes for Reid one of these lonely days. Welcome back (just in the perfect moment to watch it BTW, I agree with you! & I guess you could be right too, it could be Noah's open his eyes toward Lure ...But I fear that is something more , since Noah often plays "the pity card" to drag Luke again into the toxic relationship (apart from the push&pull game, of course )...We'll see quite soon... Do you think anyway that Lure will be the 1s who will make love for 1st time?! I still imagine them to go for it... (PS_My personal "bravo" for quoting Wilde & Lure & naked-pic too, LOL! )
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Post by stregatta on May 7, 2010 18:46:06 GMT -5
Thanks MD for the new spoilers, besides... That STEEP COST I guess will force Luke to stick by Noah's side again & will create tons of DRAMA!!...BTW, alas Noah, what could it be this very high cost to pay?! OMG, couldn't be that for inst., he will be able to see again, but will be paralysed?? Something terrible like that...Oh my, too bad!! )
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Post by stregatta on May 7, 2010 17:21:06 GMT -5
Talking about what's will come along next week... Does anyone else think that something else (I mean another apocalyptic "catastrophe" of bad luck...) will strike upon ill-fated Noah, as soon as he's going to open his eyes?! ) Because obviously things are going TOO "GOOD" (smoothly ) around Lure's department, so something nasty had to come in their way after this past snogging week , to make Luke still feeling uber-guilty about his ex, + DIRRTY for what he's secretly enjoing with his Dr Strangelove ... & obviously, it could be SOOOO soapy-campy-cliched, but I also guess, like others here previously said, that Noah, perhaps not just awaked, but in a 2nd time, will be able to see/overhear what he yet ignores ) Which leads of course to tons of fine DRAMA for endless time.... PS_Besides I also foresee an hot making-out session for Lure, post-fight, & another session of extra drama when Luke will have to tell Reid THE 3 FAMOUS WORDS...& who knows, when he'll seem ready to go for it for real, Noah will find a ring in his pocket, thinking it's for him, will force Luke to accept to marry him instead, out of guilt obviously?!?! ROFL ;D...I'm joking!, but sure thing is that there'll be a tough time in Oakhell for our heroes!! )
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 21:41:07 GMT -5
I really like the emotional vs. logical dynamic in their relationship. Both actors are playing it with a lot of charm. I just hope their story continues to get screen time! (Stregatta -- Kikka -- isn't it the middle of the night there? What are you doing up?) DITTO!! Crazy sleepless night...But now I'm really tired so I say "Buonanotte cara"...To the next Lure's shot! baci
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 21:18:32 GMT -5
thank-god Noah actually has some screen time...I'm happy we can see Jake acting again. Don't get me wrong I love LuRe but Nuke use to have so much chemistry and I miss that. Damn the writers at ATWT...yes, yes okay so Noah has been an ass lately but that doesn't mean he can't have screen time. It's like the writers are saying 'Well he's blind, no one wants to deal with his crap, what shall we do with him???.....hmmmm....nothing." But I'm glad the storyline has picked up & yes okay it may be a little rough atm but I sense a lot of fighting over Luke pretty soon. I do wish Reid fights for Luke and I also wish for Noah to be more jealous than ever :-) Yep, I see your point! Hopefully it's come the time we'll see an extra juicy shot with Noah + the usual yummy Reid...All over cute Luke! Whoa if this gonna be a wonderful buffet!! & José, you're surely right in making that point, it's just that even in your example (perhaps it's just me having made a sort of marathon to catch up with all the important eps of the past, so something I could have misunderstood, etc..), I had it quite clear that silly jealousy for Maddie: he basically told "If 'cause she's a girl", & also because he knew she was his BFF, his confident friend (even slept with her+tried to seduce her again, after Luke's incident....A situation that struck me a bit, I'd to admit as an odd behaviour...Well, I know, it was because he was desperatly upset, whatever! ) Instead for Noah I didn't always understand why he seemed toward Luke blunt/cold/strict more than once (or stick to his morality, mostly for others, or when he pleased the most, "to cut it short"): for the Brian's "dirty old man" affair, when they talked together, it was like he was just a friend who says "What? Really?? But are you sure,'cause I quite can't believe you!" instead of worrying...Then all that was forgotten & he out of the blue gave the Xmas' present, & seemed all interested in Luke again (then came the funny NY's Eve with kiss-& failed-making up-with that funny punch from Noah.... ;D Anyway, I know, it's again a weird writers' mistake! Let's only hope for this ATWT future still good as it's right now...
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 20:40:00 GMT -5
I love Reid more every day. I thought he was pretty great with Luke today. Luke is just gushing emotions (guilt, fear, desire -- all kinds of stuff) and Reid deals with all of it pretty calmly and tries to get Luke to focus. All in all, I thought Reid was pretty patient and understanding, even while not getting what he wants. He is not being presented as merely an obstacle to an ultimate Nuke reconciliation. I'm almost willing to believe it MIGHT be possible that in the end Reid will be Luke's choice and Luke will move past his first love as a symbol of his growing up. We also had quite a bit of communication today. Luke and Reid shared quite a bit in that conversation in Noah's room. Reid's "one's not such a small number" suggests that maybe Reid has never been in love before (in addition to his comment about not having a personal life). And Luke explaining that he thought Noah would be his "one and only" seemed to provide Reid with some insight. Anyway, I'm loving this story. I'M TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOUR POV!! I'm so deeply in love with this new pot every ep it's getting better, it's a bliss...I couldn't stop watching the continuation of the + Lure's closeness today! It's even funny all this buzz nobody was waiting from a moribund soap on the sunset-way .... About Noah's sad fact there's not room for him in the show, of course he would have deserved a surely better treatment BEFORE all this new ATWT course became reality...But he has however stayed years in the show, to make him visible. BTW, don't you think that, since we've to know in a relative short time & to appreciate the new character for choosing which part of the triangle we're going to stand up for, it's right to have much of Reid right now, so to be able to choose which is the 1 to root for?! IMO it has been bittersweet the exchange of lines at the hospital (that BTW, again, spoilers were not what they looked like: Reid was sad, but Lure were sweet together anyway & especially despite of Noah, at least for now we've not yet seen "Luke tells Noah he'll be his man"or something like that), & it showed another parallel, Luke's obsession for 1st purest love versus Reid's sad "mostly-fake-cynical" 1-night stand kinda guy who instead never loved before I guess ('cause it's pretty clear from his way of confident hot acting, that he's not a monk or a virgin, don't you think too?! )... Warm heart versus cold logic?! Another conflict, like Nuke were opposite in the previous SL, but in a different way, that's fine for me, it's nice to see this new "friction"! The intriguing thing, is also that it seemed to be so simply at the very start, & instead these 2 characters are showing more depth & ambiguity/ layers to the concept...THING WHICH I LIKE A LOT!! Another hilarious thing I've noticed, (but please be kind, it's just IMHO, to chat!!) is that mostly females have seen in Reid the epithome of coolness & "he's rude....but a real MAN" , compared to some men more judging him as the bad-manner nasty guy (even "dirty 'cause older"kinda thing?! toward Luke???)...How can I say better, it seemed to me that men were even more "romantic" (in a classic kinda way) than girls, in wanting to see Noah instead belonging to Luke, 'cause he was the 1st purest love possible: I didn't expect it I must say! LOL ;D PS#1_ I'M ALMOST SURE THAT, WHEN WE'LL BELIEVE (VERY SOON) THAN LURE HAS ENDED BEFORE EVEN STARTING UP, INSTEAD THERE'S GOING TO BE THE FAMOUS SEX-SCENE FROM THE SPOILERS.... PS#2_ Jessiebanana, our friendship is done after what you've dared to say about StarWars ....I'M JOKING!!!
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 12:43:02 GMT -5
Just a curiosity because I don't watch the whole ATWT: is funny guy Henry, really in love with Katie? Why he's always with that woman (Barbara, I guess it's her name...)?? & why out of a blue he's to marry weird Vienna?! Thanks!!
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 12:39:58 GMT -5
Some people are worried about Noah's role into this, but to be honest, the Noah i liked more about this years (apart of sweet Noah) is jelous Noah and angry Noah. Well, i only liked angry Noah when he has good reasons to be angry, like after Brian's kiss (that is one of my favourite scenes). And after his discovery he will have a lot of reasons to be jelous and angry I agree in the sense that apart from the scenes in which he's sweet & adorable, the better acted by him, still stays in these jealous ones (But even in those, I remember all the Brian's scenes of the period, I've thought that just at the very end he acted like he should have previously done...I mean, at least Reid has given epic jealous gazes which could have killed some1, peeping his beau with Noah, but Noah menages to really go for it, just when he yells or kisses...Quite frankly, IMO too little perhaps? Or as usual it's just me wanting "too much" )
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Post by stregatta on May 6, 2010 12:13:43 GMT -5
I would rather wanted Luke to be alone than come back to whining and infantile Noah,who never knows what he wants who never sure about anything,who was pushing Luke away over and over,who always needs 'some space' and independence. I don't tell he is a bad guy,no,he is sweet and cute and everything,but it always looks like he is not here,not with Luke completely,Luke always had to beg for love and attention,had to cling and convince Noah to safe their relationship and fight for them again and again. It's obviously that Luke always wanted more than Noah,they're just on different pages in their lives. Nuke it's puppy first love, but they're not teenagers any more,Luke is 22, it's time to grow up and let yourself have a real mature relationship with a confident man who knows what he wants and who NOT SCARE to show his feelings, i just don't see any potential in Nuke story any more,their relationship worn out ages ago and has to be done for good. They were very cute together at first and i really loved them, but they can't stay "sweet innocent teens" forever, it's not fairy tale, i really just don't see what can clings these two together,it's time to move on, to new love, to new life, to Reid ! YOU'VE GET IT RIGHT GIRL!! At least it's the same view I've had about Reid's behaviour... He's not a villain for sure, hence there's not that obnoxious arrogance you couldn't stand in a good character (yes again, he's arrogant within his job's environment, but it's also because when you're "the best", you're also alone at the top, I think he's built up around him like an armour, that just few people could go through, like Luke, Katie & Bob...But I guess it's for a defense from the huge pression it brings with this "fame"...However, at the end of the day, he does that because he cares about helping people) I agree with Talu also regarding another point: to be precise, the 1 with Noah wasn't even a real teenager-love, but post-teen, hence they were not even exactly the loving birds from kindergarten on...But there was this "perception" of them 'cause in US they've been the 1st on daytime young gays to kiss+Noah was just having his coming out, so it looked liked a "brand fresh new thing", but IMO, they haven't been able to keep alive this SL (& not simply for the kissing-ban )...1 can love or hate the fairy-tale's approach to it, but to make it working & belieavable, the main characters (sex doesn't matter THAT MUCH regard the point) have to be written/played at their best & clearer than it has been in ATWT: if not it's getting boring in a little time & since we're on topic, between Luke & Noah I've always felt more a friends' vibe, but it's simply my idea... PS_REGARDING LURE+FINALE...I've told my thought in the other section too, BTW, does someone else think that in that old ep- in which mum & Luke talked about their loving 1s, there has been an hint by writers about the ending?Since they were discussing the 2 options, to let go or stand for your partner, I've guessed that Lily for sure would finally have come back to Holden, & hopefully the other chance would have gone to Luke, as to say "moving on" (& we hopefully know with whom! )
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Post by stregatta on May 5, 2010 20:10:24 GMT -5
Oh boy...IMO both, especially for Noah's role, an actor not suitable for this kind of part & an obvious lacking in proper writing for him 1st of all, & then more in general for the rest...= messing up the result: because it's hard with such a little sreen-time that these actors have got (& few reharsal time) to come up with a state-of-the-art final result... PS_BTW if it's true Jake is improved now, we'll see quite soon when he'll act his big part in the triangle's complicated SL (I don't want to be mean, but to me he acts with just 2 facial expressions, like director Leone told about the epic Clint Eastwood..."With the hat, & without the hat" ... The happy smiling face versus the beaten dog 1...& I'm getting tired of it, again sorry to all his fans, which I truly respect )... Anyway I still think 1st of all being an actor is a gift, you've to have a talent by nature, than obviously you can get better, but still...(I think for ex. to some actor-child I've seen, without studying, to be so good & natural into acting)
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