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Post by stregatta on Jan 15, 2010 10:10:41 GMT -5
Ciao Sylvain...Merci beaucoup, tu es trop gentil!! (Méme si je suis desolé, mais il me manque l'allemand..) Si te aurois besoin de quelque chose en italien, demandais-moi, d'accord?! ;-P) As tu fait bon travail et voyage? Je parie que as recontré Dracula (ou un loup-garou?!) dans la rue...Blague! :-D) Pourtant je suis que, légende à part, le croient un héros patriote... A' la prochaine fois, à bientòt! Bisous* PS_J'ai lu que en Buenos Aires, aujourd'hui, on danse le TANGO aussi entre hommes de neuf, dans les salles de bal (Milongas). Comme tu le sais, on faisait au début (...Né dans le milieu de la ville de Genova...C'est ce que l'on dit!) Tout de suite j'ai pensé: VL, pourquoi ne pas faire danser aussi Chrolli une fois?! C'est trés magnifique!! Enfin, à propos, il y a une bonne chanteuse italienne ,INGRID: une femme que chante seulement en francais, que a fait une chanson, justement "In-Tango", belle! El videoclip est en YOU TUBE... (Ay nene, ya tù lo sabes...Porque la vida es siempre un tango "lloròn"! ) Salut ^_^
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Post by stregatta on Jan 12, 2010 18:19:55 GMT -5
Hi folks! Thanks very much, as usual, Joanna & Luigia (probably I've forgotten someone else, sorry! Like Nanna for the subt. ;-*)...I'm so happy too for having seen the beautiful new clip!
Ollian back with a bang!! ^_^
Overall I've to agree with you, when you were talking about Christian wanting to wink to the audience that Olli disregarded his boyfriend...I'm also sure this wasn't a chance, a coincidence, but a little taste of what to come!
& I'm not complaining...Only I hope that this won't result just in a quarrel of few eps, but something deeper & intriguing; "HEAVY &...HOT" (yep, of course smart too, that will leave us "breathless"!! LOL ;-D) Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Jan 10, 2010 19:32:02 GMT -5
But I still believe that the real fatal seduction comes from the mind, before the body... ;-P) ITA with that thought. That's why Friday's epsiode was pretty crappy IMO. Yep Fuzzy...Picture perfect!! Here & there I've said that sometimes, even if I so DO LUV THE BOYZ!, it seemed me a little as a parody of how much they looked genuine at the beginning...Moreover, watching a completely different series by chance, aimed to a family & early-teenager target, so obviously without explicit sex-references etc, I was wondering "Wow! They succeeded in reaching all their goals, without being rough or inappropriate" In short, in the right way...You feel you've to NEED to watch the continuation, if something is entertaining, you're madly curious to see what's coming next... Unfortunately for us, until things don't change for real, honestly I wasn't so thrilled to watch... PS_Anyways, when Chris was upset with Olli for the bar-issues (& in another scene, when he replied to his friend with that line-joke about his love-relation), I simply think (since these writers are SO PREDICTABLE! ), that they wanted to wink to the audience that: A) Yes, we have to worry, 'cause these were the last peaceful moments before the storm! B) No, don't worry 2 much Chrolli's lovers, 'cause, you know how much they LUV each other (=>make-up scenes!...) You can easily see it's always an A-B-C of things thrown on us, without a proper smart writing...For sure it's not that the Chrolli fans are never satisfied! It's simply not at the same level of a good story right now, especially since this isn't a comedy, it's supposed to be a "dramatic" soap?! Sometimes I feel like we poor fans have to plead to see our heroes on-screen with something intelligent to do...Jeez, if these guys are on the story, & the fans have been even so passionate, caring & patient...WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU WAITING VL, FOR GIVE THE VIEWER THE MODICUM REQUIRED TO GO ON??!! (After all, we don't ask for another Shakespeare or Austen, just SOMETHING, a minimum acceptable, instead of our own fantasy-storyline!!! ) Oh well, sorry for the moan, I've realized how much this couple means for lots of people, but for me it's definetely not enough the cute moments in the vlog & glimpses in the actual VL-plot...I've always respected Jo&Thore's work/efforts to create a great saga for us to follow, BUT... If something in the very essence of the writing doesn't drastically change here for 2010, I think I'd sadly prefer reading fans' sweet fiction instead, seriously! (Since I've to make an effort to follow in clips, to translate, etc... ) Tschuss*
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Post by stregatta on Jan 10, 2010 17:34:40 GMT -5
Salut FLO, d'abord voilà j'adore Chrolli aussi, je suis désolé de étre été "plaintive", mais voudrais seulement changer les leur ennuyeaux "direction" de aujourd'hui (...et parle juste un petit-peu francais, pardon! Aussi sans les touches exactes, dans mon maudit ordinateur...Zut! ;-P) ...Por que je croix encore en une novelle chance pour les épisodes de 2010 (...Mais VITE que possible, merci beacoup! ;-D) Ouì, c'est bien vrai que tous nous sommes fous-ensorcellées des Chrolli, les plus talentueuses et charismatiques...Moi méme le premier je reconnais que, le leur amour et amitié, son une divine idylle! (Vive, pour toujours ensemble! ;-*)
Mais aussi beau soit-il génial spectacle passé, ne pas se terminé encore la histoire...HEUREUSEMENT!! De plus, je ne voudrais voir pas, cette sorte de "parodie de Chrolli_'09" de neuf, sincèrement...Je pense que, quand mème, c'est assez facile changer de systéme, de la parte de VL-équipe; tout simplement! Donc je croix que C. & O. seront le "porte-bonheur" de nous, surtout et bien sùr pour cette nouvelle année...A' propos, mes meilleurs voeux à vous tous!! ^_^
_Pourtant je me demande ce qui te préoccupe exactement: por que ne sais pas ce que tu entends...Puet-étre une peur bleue de perdre les gars?! :-o) Mais ce n'est pas possible, voyons! Allons, courage! Bisous, Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Jan 10, 2010 17:29:06 GMT -5
_"MIRROR MIRROR ON THE WALL, WHO IS THE FAIREST ONE OF ALL?!" CHROLLI...Of course!! ;-P) Anyways, here're some possible ideas for things to come... 1) Given that Chrolli are our fav "love-birds" and we all are lovesick for them, but nevertheless I've realized also that, not everyone is as enthusiastic as me+others, about the idea of them tempted by some possible lovers & the whole risky JEALOUSY-theme... (+since nothing close to fantasy/ sci-fi/ horror could ever happen! ;-P)....Perhaps with the only exception of that part in which Gregor, after his plane-crash, told Chris he had had visions?! Anyways, I've saw just that bit & nothing else at all, about that subject, on the successive YouTube-clips..So I've no idea what it really meant at the end!) 2) Then, perhaps, also the writers knowing that, they could instead bring back again for the future, the health-issue of Christian, to explore it deeply (or else, even a serious disease as a blindness/ leukaemia/ dissociation of personality, x inst., that he doesn't want to share with the loved ones); it could happen through, matching this problem with him having forcely to behave badly, or to go away from Olli, sacrificing himself, in order "to protect" him from suffering more, for his being linked to the other patner's bad fate... :'/ 3) Or else, even one of them who disappears out of a blue (for ex., a car/ flight/ ship accident, with a consequent memory's loss, that will have the side-effect of leaving the other one guessing if he's disappeared for good, or even dead at all!!). After a quite long period, the lost one came home, but he's not the same person as before...& instead of being one of the boys, if he were a lost forgotten twin??!! So, A LOT of mess more! (It could happen for Olivia's future chance of a surprise-return too! :-o) Possibilities #2-3, in the past, had been used successfully several times in other fictions of course (I don't even count the Jealousy-choice, ALWAYS used...Like "the Masquerade Ball", or for US viewers, the Prom-Night: sux used clichés), but I often recall them as very enjoyable; also because it seems always different thanks to the actors, whom perform the play, and the atmosphere of the show itself (thriller or romantic, etc...). Moreover, you know, since the writers have already shown us that they don't mean, for the moment, to explore further the next steps of Chrolli's relationship, in a traditional way...(married-with-children-style; I bet that in the finale, after the long-waited wedding, if the authors are brave enough, there'll be also a child adopted, perhaps given them from a close friend as Lydia or Becca, dead for whatever reason...I still remember it from the end of DAWSON'S CREEK, 'cause it was a real surprising ending!) 4) It seems to me that currently VL is following "the TWILIGHT way": in which Becca is "similar" to Jakob-werewolf, in the role of the nice person hopelessly in love with her "best friend" (cough-cough?! ;-P), whom luckily doesn't reciprocate, but still cares for her...So it naturally leads to some little/ big misunderstanding here & there, before coming towards the inevitable happy-end with the reconciliation of the REAL meant-to-be star-crossed lovers! 5) To think harder, there could also be another option: it happens something bad, without Olli/ Chris directly wanting it, but that involves one of them too, & ruins his reputation (drug/ crime/ blackmail/ kidnapping..), putting the other to test too...Close to noirs or spy-stories much?! Yep :-) All in all, there're so many options for not pursuing Rebecca's storyline forever of course...(again, personally I've nothing against the actress Jasmin! I don't wait to see an extravaganza either, as calling up for GODZILLA-monster to save the day!! But simply something MORE, that sounds interesting and appealing for us, Jo & Thore's followers too, not only for the other general VL's sympathizers, that's it! It's really needed at this point... Especially for viewers as me, forced to hardly follow only the little internet bits of them together! If nothing interesting happens, knowing little of the general dynamics of the VL-plot, it's normal to feel lost & uninspired, I guess, uh?? In any case, there should also be a sort of whatever permanent "DUALISM" to the characters, to keep alive the TENSION...IMO this storyline has benefited a little too much from the fact that the majority of fans was composed by a straight audience too; which means that they've been spellbound by a "double fascination", the undeniable force of the "forbidden voyeurism", linked with grace to the "vanilla flavour" of a nice everyday plot (& the infinite possibilities that this option implies, within it)...Don't get me wrong, I'm not "above that", enjoying to peep them naked & hot too! But I still believe that the real fatal seduction comes from the mind, before the body... ;-P) Anyways, if it had been a regular couple instead? With months of almost "nothing", I imagine lot of fans already gone! (the same dynamic, more or less, it's happening in "real life", with 2 boys of our BigBrother: 1 gay, befriended a "confused" straight, who's become his best friend with benefits...Do it ring a bell??;-o) & as a matter of fact, it still has got the power of attracting people, who hate or love it, but are never really indifferent...) _Last but not least, to the many who pscychoanalyzed every detail of the story: I wanted simply to add that the Germanic plots seem quite linear; it's often utilized the "fable" & comedy expedient, or at least it's clear their final purposes, to my POV, in comparison with others', more passionate ("!Ay, caramba, qué amor loco y caliente!" ;-*), dramatic or somehow twisted...I mean, not better or worse, simply they've an own unique approach! (x inst., you all know for sure the Austrian series DER KOMMISSAR REX: well, in Germany being the dog the focus centre of the plot, the poor policeman, its human-friend, couldn't have a permanent girlfriend or a family-background of sort...Instead, at least in the other EU version I know, the writers decided that he would have been able to stay with a girl & also the rest at the same time, without freaking Rex out! I think it's simply a matter of different kind of sensitivities: & it's beautiful this way! :-)). _So let's hope to jump, after a bunch of months, to another story for Chrolli, leaving as soon as possible, Becca with David happily ever after...I'm positive it'll be that way, believe me, let's get over the pessimism, have faith!! CIAO ^_^ PS_to SYLSTYLE : lots of countries in EU now have their own soaps, some of them paying the copyrights to copy the most popular ones, others inventing something brand new: it's the case of PLUS BELLE LA VIE, a French well-known 1, (sold abroad too, but in Italy without suceess, it's been closed down...BTW, it's just to say that also France has got its own flavour in "telenovelas" right now! ;->)
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Post by stregatta on Jan 10, 2010 17:24:49 GMT -5
Merci beaucoup Sylvain pour tes mots pre-Noél, mon ami, tu eres très cher! ;-)) (Sorry if I don't continue in French, I can understand it enough, but I've still to practice for writing it down properly...Plus here's the English-speaking thread, ya'know! ;-o) [...About Lady G.'s "banter"...Sorry, but after her funny cd given me as Xmas' gift, I couldn't get her OH-OH-RA-RA-ROMA-GAGA-OH-LA-LA out of my head!?! But it's a nice feeling...LOL ;-D)] Besides, I'm back here!& I was thinking some ideas for a possible continuation of Chrolli's story in the future...But I'm going to put it in the Wild Speculation-section! SUX FAB HAPPY NEW YEAR TO THE WHOLE MERRY BRIGADE (old&new members: Kes, Mona, Nanna, etc..)!!! A bientòt! Ciao ) PS_I've just finished to watch the last eps...I swear I was WTF-face as Chris in the end of the ninja-scene ...I had imagined it quite different, you know...Anyways, as Kes said, I'm going to take it with a grain of "wisdom", let's think it's better than nothing at all!! ;-P) Cheers*
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Post by stregatta on Dec 29, 2009 13:28:25 GMT -5
Mamma mia, Oh gosh! I've read the new spoilers!! :-o) (THANKS, AS USUAL, TO WHOM PUT UP THE NEWS! ;->)...Let me say that in this period I was just thinking about how actually, even if the majority of the fan-base was sick worried about a possible betrayal, from especially Chris (or Olli's side), nothing really has ever happened...However don't worry people, it's clear that CHROLLI ARE THE ENDGAME!! Why is there this sort of hysteria of losing the boys, anyways?! It's obvious IMO, that something has to come, 1 way or another...They can't stay there in the background, untouched forever, uh?? ;-/)
I mean, if you've got only a slight idea of how-far into betrayal issues (+ almost impossible troubles/ everlasting nightmarish diseases/ tragedies, etc...)go in the South American telenovelas?! ;-P) 1 of the 1st things that I've noticed in VL (but also in other German soaps), is that it has in it a great element of comedy too, compared to the Latino-ones, less drama-passion & loving madness...As a matter of fact, at the beginning, I've thought it to be a movie or a tv-series (not just me)... It's not a bad thing at all, I mean, it's less melodramatic, & so many people could even recognize in something of a plot like this one, I guess :->)
Talking of which, this soap has ever had in itself, stories about "forbidden feelings"?! 'cause perhaps this could be the only really fearful thing (=UNWANTED SURPRISES), compared to traditional soaps... Nevertheless, I don't think VL is as extreme as other Japanease kind of stories (manga / anime), at all, so...We can relax!! ;-)
However, coming back to Chrolli, in 2 years they had never had, exception for their health-problems, a real shocking storyline, never a big threat to their relationship, for a soap-timeline I imagine it to be aleady like a "FOREVER LOVE", isn't it?! :-o)
So, IT'S TIME, for real,TO PUT THEIR LOVE TO TEST! Then it's very welcome that finally something is going to happen, to make us fully intrigued & interested to the storyline, not passive towards it.
Moreover, I'm happy to watch, after a too long time, someone also interested in Olli again (why always all girls had to fall for Christian anyway?? Yep, you know, apart from Coco, back in the days...)
Last but not least, I hope that the future plot won't be solved in a small arc of episodes (unfortunately for us, already shorter than other German soaps: I remember Sturm der Liebe & Rote Rosen, from the same network, to be longer): this thing of pressing a possible large section of 1 plot into a small 2 eps-focused story, it's probably something I didn't fully get...Furthermore, if you've also suffered a sort of acking of viewers' interest in some other plot, going on at the same time (it had already happened in this 2009!)
So, I'm not worried, but simply so eager to watch this new course of "passion & revenge"...Even if I'm sad for Gregor leaving!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS' SEASON & FAB 2010 TO ALL OF YOU OUT THERE!! ;-D xxx
PS_to the fan who suggested the Smiths, he was right, the song is really a nice growing sad 1, but thinking of Chrolli, I would have thought to Placebo's Ashtray Heart, or Lady Gaga's Bad Romance...But I'm not a sadist, don't worry!! LOL ;-P
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 23:53:43 GMT -5
Now I see why Grelu have had so much screentime lately & even...a baby!! In a short time, as to speak... However, generally speaking, since even walls know, by now, how much Chrolli love each other, why all the fans are so AFRAID, madly afraid that Chris could have sex with Becca & Olli with Robert?! Ok, I love plot a little twisted, & since writers won't give us a romantic "wedding" for our heroes until, I guess, the very ending... So, why don't have a little fun watching them in weird/ extreme situations (for inst., Chris drunk & depressed for what's happening with his baby-boy, & Olli stuck in the middle of a big trouble+only Rob's help... :-o)...It will bring such a good drama! Yep, I want candy, & I need DRAMA!!! ^_^ PS_it's SO OBVIOUS Becca will fall in love with the right guy at the end, so with that cute David... SO COOL EVERYONE, & ENJOY THE RIDE!! ;-P) I guess the main problem is that this "drama" hasn't been very enjoyable until now or it hasn't been actually drama, but rather parody or bad comedy. The last few episodes were a little bit better IMO, but until now this story has been told extremely from Rebecca's POV, although we as Ollian fans don't care about her POV. Especially when Christian's and Olli's position is not covered at all. Until now boys have just reacted and those reactions have been quite weird, especially with Christian being suddenly Rebecca's best friend and handling her like he hasn't handled anybody else before. The previous story hasn't given any explanation to that or it has rather pointed to the opposite direction. In a good soap it's all about characters, their motivations and inner fights - we don't have explanations to half of their actions now and we have only the inner struggle of Rebecca. On top of that Frau Lord doesn't seem to be very good at reflecting what is actually going on with Rebecca and the lack of chemistry between her and Thore is making those scenes just rather irritating. So we basically have nothing, besides few shallow Ollian moments. The fact that they are on screen is not enough for me, when there is nonsense going on. In January it could get better, with focus going back to Ollian again, but we don't know yet how well those episodes are written. From the previous experience I will keep my final judgment for later. There was hope that Robert will be in the middle of this story instead of Rebecca in the future, but now it looks like he left after only three weeks and it's going back to R-girl again. It's a little bit funny for me,to read now that most of the fans have "freaked out" AFTER thinking with cold mind about last eps... I mean, everybody seemed to be so happy & satisfied, with the notorious 40-secs-loving scene: instead I've felt to be among the few who were almost disappointed by it: the way it has been directed/ cut, made feeling the poor viewer "making love with Rebecca" instead of being a boys' voyer...Surely do you know what I'm trying to explain here Naturally I agree with all your considerations: no drama, or wrong one, bad comedy (not intended to be), etc... That infamous feeling of being spectator of another show, where Chrolli aren't on stage the same way we were used to be... Surely, the community here, would have written all a different plot, & myself would have preferred, rather to have a very focused 1 (like for Grelu) & then a period out of the show for them, 'cause like for you, even for me watching them making wallpaper has been almost unbearable!! I don't give all the blames to Frau Jasmin (even if I would have given that kind of role to a man, like this Rob x inst.), 'cause it's the written part the strong staring point of everything: like for literature's classics, when something is well writen, stands the sands of time...& then, obviously enough, the actors make the difference. Probably all this wanted focus on Rebecca , will lead to a strange triangle with Chrolli, even if it seems so silly: but perhaps writers think more from a straight POV (just a supposition...I'm really cluless ) All in all, I've understood all the complains & worries of fans, regardless of the whole cranky picture...Now I want to dare to hope that , as everyone else wish, it's time for a real entertaining story!! (Santa pliz, make the miracle, we've been so goodie-goodie!!)
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 23:28:17 GMT -5
if they're gonna go with side-swept on christian why can't they do it like this: fit in an essex-boy charmer kinda way... i very much like. ;D and the colour seems less in-your-face-offensive. maybe it's just the spoiler pics that photograph so badly? EDIT: haha i just noticed how special jo looks in this picture.. and yet still quite sweet - how is that fair?! PS_wonderful that idea of the Feast Calendar on the site (a friend told me to go to check it, & it was so cute...Like being children again, ah these Germans! ), from which this photo is taken... Besides I simply think that these clothes are from their real life-wardrobe, the things we see on telly, apart from Chris' sunglasses & other few things, are from other stylists!
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 22:32:32 GMT -5
I am so firing VL's hair department.. I mean... Jo looks off with a shaved head and Thore looks like a frosted cupcake (I am sure its tasty).. I miss old Ollian... like 2008-Ollian look-wise... This is look is way better: i like jo's hair - one of the other spoiler pics is fucking hot.. but thore looks shit here (if that's even possible), like the camp member of some classical music boyband from one of those two bit reality programs with stylists hired straight out of matalan. why the waistcoat?! and the combover? and the undone cleavage shirt?! he's still a stunner but he's really doesn't suit the overly 'groomed' look. and the character told rebecca he doesn't follow fashion, so seriously, why?!? he looks way better in his get up and go, comfy clothes. my favourite is still the NL renovation outfit, i could have put up with months of pointless renovating if it meant more christian in that get up.. *sigh* I've thought exactly the same watching the photo... I mean, oh boy, oh my...Why Chris looks like a Bratz boy (toy! ) OMG...& Olli looks like has just escape from an ep. of Prison Break, for God's Sake...with that jacket?! Ok, perhaps I could leave that for today, but especially Chris' look, sort of a dandy?? Which is so much not his style indeed!! IMO too, they both looked better & more down-to-earth in the hey-days ...Even if that's one thing I've liked of the new style: Robert's charming one, & in general the checked clothes (coats/ sweaters..), BTW in fashion & war (almost) all is allowed!! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 22:19:04 GMT -5
Aw I LOVE THEM when they sing!!! LOL at Christian being George Micheal, while Olli was Andrew! And Olli was full-on Broadway tonight!!! I wish they could have sang "Have Yourself a Merry Little Christmas" instead, with Olli doing his best Judy Garland impersonation...! Kaliméra su! (sorry I don't know how to write it properly, but I hope to make a trip to your wonderful country next year! ) Chrolli made me giggling with that Xmas-song I've to say...I guess they really like to have fun & sing along together, karaoke-style, isn't it?! ;D...But more than Broadway it reminds me of Bollywood, yeah...& I like their weird music (for me, of course), that always makes me cheerful ghia, CIAO
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 17:14:39 GMT -5
Now I see why Grelu have had so much screentime lately & even...a baby!! In a short time, as to speak...
However, generally speaking, since even walls know, by now, how much Chrolli love each other, why all the fans are so AFRAID, madly afraid that Chris could have sex with Becca & Olli with Robert?!
Ok, I love plot a little twisted, & since writers won't give us a romantic "wedding" for our heroes until, I guess, the very ending...
So, why don't have a little fun watching them in weird/ extreme situations (for inst., Chris drunk & depressed for what's happening with his baby-boy, & Olli stuck in the middle of a big trouble+only Rob's help... :-o)...It will bring such a good drama!
Yep, I want candy, & I need DRAMA!!! ^_^
PS_it's SO OBVIOUS Becca will fall in love with the right guy at the end, so with that cute David... SO COOL EVERYONE, & ENJOY THE RIDE!! ;-P)
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 16:55:17 GMT -5
Thanks so much, Andre! I am so sorry to see Andreas leave. What a blow! I haven't liked his change of character recently. (They've taken his edge away completely, it seems.) But I love the actor. I'll miss Mascha, too. These pics seem to be a direct message to Chrolli fans: See we care! They've made sure to give us lots of pics. They give Olli and Christian a role in almost every shot. So that's a great sign. It signals that the writers care about this particular audience. But I hate to see Gregor go! Yep, you've said it!! So your good vibes must have reached the VL-staff's cold heart... I'm joking...Anyways, I'm sad for Gregor too, 'cause he, as Charlie for Olli, make part of the family, it's always interesting to watch..anyways, it could be not forever, but temporary, uh?! Bye*
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Post by stregatta on Dec 23, 2009 15:46:17 GMT -5
I think she meant in German. Is this right? Hut Hüte Yeah, sorry, I dont know German but hopefully my English is a little better! Of course sweetie, don't worry! Mmmhhh, always this remark on the accents (not just our friend, I remember quite a lot Englsh native speaker), well, can you imagine the reverse situation, singing in Deutch shouldn't exactly be a bed of roses...Ok, nevermind, I know it's not said with bad intention, but I've always the greatest respect of these kind of efforts to communicate Concerning the vlog, I'd to admit I've laugh so hard & actually I was singing along!! ;D BTW yep, a lovely kiss under the mistletoe would have been ZUPER, isn't it?! However we can comfort with the new photos/ news from spoilers, which I won't tell, respecting who doesn't want to know... Ok, now next video will be in 2010 then?! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Dec 22, 2009 22:04:58 GMT -5
Thanks for the posts, Lugia. Of course, my political hackles went up when I saw that silly Christmas promo: Gay couples don't have nice Christmas's? They aren't "proper" enough for Christmas? Bah! However, I may be reading into things. About the story? Nothing grabs me, but at least Ollian is there, and that is something. I am determined to follow your lead and be positive. Truly, thanks Luigia again (& to the other gorgeous people who put up the translations/ sub )!! OMG, I don't think the VL-staff acts like The Grinch for stealing Chrolli their Xmas, uh?! Too evil inside!! ;D No, I guess we'll have a very pleasant vlog-entry in the holidays' mood, that will make all fans happy: & that will be the proper gift, as we intended it to be... For spoilers' side, nothing big has surfaced yet, but if you remember, the most memorable moments, had been without a big previous spoilers' preview, so...I want to be inspired & surprised (+I'm so looking forward to the bad boy's storming entrance, I'd to admit!! Our boyz are to the maximum, after crisis like that ) Last but not least...Today Christian's boots rock!! ("These boots are made for walking, and that's just what they'll do one of these days these boots are gonna walk all over you!" LOL to the classic song ) Cheers* PS_LOL & W again for Mona's mummy, hooked liked us...Mine would have fainted on the floor probably, she's not used to this kind of romances! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Dec 22, 2009 21:36:54 GMT -5
Ok, perhaps I'm the only 1 today wanting to "rain a little on VL parade"! ;-P) Generally speaking, I feel to be close to jj8899 & what he wrote at pag.4 of this thread...(+BTW hell yeah, I remember an old UK course for the language, where I stayed with a Brit family, watching Eastenders & another Aussie-soap...LOL, too bad!! ;-D) I mean, I really appreciate Jo & Thore's work, on the contrary, I wouldn't have joined this fans' group...On the other hand, I really have to admire you all, for having been so emotionally linked to a plot that for many months simply sunk... I'm a recent fan, since this summer's end, so I've fresh in mind the beginning of Chrolli's plot, & how it used to be...(& YT is a devil, 'cause through that unforgettable #45 part, made falling in love so many people!! ;-O) Well, simply now I can't feel the same perfect vibe; at the start, they made me a believer of the TRUE LOVE, regardless that I'm not gay, so usually I watch other romances, but this one has been so powerful to convince me to follow throughout... Ok, then it simply DISAPPEREAD...It's like Chrolli are accepted by the VL's others, better still, they exist almost only to support the friends/ families' issues, etc... It's like when we finally have said: OH WELL, AT LAST A WONDERFUL BRAND NEW KIND OF ROMANCE TO STAY TUNED FOR (+INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS)...They've started to kill it slowly...Even softly, as for instance the clever idea of making the notorious VLOG...(Cute & nice, but we didn't need it before, because there was a real story to watch!) ANYWAY WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE??!! I mean, sorry, I'm not the kind of fan who would go to the moon to greet & kiss the actors, sorry again if I'm not the type that "OMG J & T ARE NAKED IN BED...WHOA THE KISSES ARE WITH TOUNGUE OR WITHOUT, blah-blah..." (Of course don't be upset, I respect others who think it's so important, 'cause they've a virtual crush on them ;-P) but you get what I mean... Not 'cause I'm a stone-cold person, but IMO the real spell, that leaves you breathless, is in the mind 1st of all; is for that reason that in many shows they keep for so long the sexual tension: 'cause it attracts deeply the viewers to the point...Then after that magical moment you had really to come up with 1st class-ideas to go on at the same level with the storyline, honestly, do you think they've done it for all these faithful fans around?! I don't think so: people simply have been too hopeful & accommodating with the show...Probably if Thore & Jo would have been less handsome, someone will have already quit with the show, isn't it?! ) Regarding today's ep, yep, finally they have made love...Well, a 40 sec-love I had to pause my YT to watch better, with that unbearable character of Becca-witch almost literally inside their (our) minds/ or at least their bedroom, to ruin the whole scene...& ok, Chris told Olli about the wonderful eyes, wow!...& so what?! It's just that?! EXCUSE ME, BUT IT SEEMS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!...40 seconds-make up after months of nothing?? (Story+sex scenes as well, if I don't get wrong). As if it weren't enough, we got this always through the eyes of Rebecca's character, as if Chrolli aren't really that much important to deserve their POV, after all, but of secondary importance!! I'm under the impression that we got those pretty hot scenes only as a Xmas-present; & 'cause after they will be all 1 against each other for their next plot. All in all, sorry again for having seen it as a bittersweet scene, but it's what I've felt watching...I'm delusional perhaps, and disappointed. Naturally I'll try to stay positive for the next hopefully big storyline for them, involving the new villain-character & all the rest, but if the writers are the same, I don't know... Last but not least, for 2010 my wish is talking less regarding the bad things & falling for Chrolli again, thanks to the stunning new plot! (As when, you know, you talk less about love 'cause you're making it! ;-P) Ciao a tutti*** Concordo pienamente Stregatta!!! I've followed Olli and Christian from the very start and now every time I watch a new episode of the show I cringe... I mean where is the love? Where is the passion. I know that we just had a beaultiful scene but, like all the rest lately, it was more about Rebecca than Ollian. If I would have been a new viewer hooked on the show a couple of months ago 'till yesterday I would never have guessed that these two were more than just good friends. My big complain is that lately they are not written as OTP anymore. If you rewatch some of the old episodes from the boxing storyline it's clear that they were written as soulmates. Now this is simply not there anymore and I've started wondering if all this has been done intentionally by the writers. I just saw yesterday episode of OLTL where Roxy told Kyle that if he isn't carefull he could lose the love of his life! For the people who aren't following the show Kyle and Fish get back together only last month and they didn't even have sex yet. Why can't we have scene like this one for Ollian?? Oliver and Christian have been together for almost 2 years and I don't remember recently someone referring to them as soulmates or them referring to the other as the love of their life. Lately I've noticed a decreasing numbers of fans, even on this board there are a lot less comments than before. I think that some people just get tired or bored waiting for a new important storyline and just left... Probably you're right when you say that the fans who stayed, me included, have been too hopeful and accommodating with the show, mainly because Christian and Olli amazing chemistry has so far hidden the horrible writing. If we would have been more vocal from the start about our concernes and expressing our discontent maybe we could have avoided what it's happening right now with Rebecca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Complimenti x il tuo italiano, brava Maya! ;D Apart from this...Naturally I see your point! 1st of all, don't blame you & other fans, my compliments towards all of you were genuine: no way that this behaviour could have demage, somehow, VL-direction!! You talked about that other show I don't know, I could tell you of more than another 1, where fans' constant support had made the difference, ABSOLUTELY!! I'm 100% sure that writers & of course actors interested know well it...You made me remember once in an interview, Thore's words about his worries that not being in a major storyline, has always had, as 1st consequence, the almost instant forgetfulness of the viewers... As you can guess well, this isn't the case, regardless of all, fans have been so kind & warm with Chrolli in-off screen! Again, this doesn't happen every day! My complain, like yours, is this lacking of soul-mates' feeling, POV from them, etc...If they're professional writers they should have known better how to deal with a new VL-course, without, obvious enough, destroy one of the most beloved & original couple... Unless, as you observed, they mean following another path, a different one, which could lead in surprising directions... Ok, yet there is an important difference, compared to the other show you watch: why all the fuzz about Chrolli for killing them at the end?! A talking which links to publicity, fame, last but not least money (even if it's not real money, a sort of fame that as for the popstars, means so much..."let's talk about it, bad or good, whatever works!") Much ado about nothing?! Pure madness?! I don't have a clue here, run out of possible explanations, IMO, they know what they're doing... Finally, even if the most recent spoilers have less to do with the guys, let's try to be rational for a minute, let's think to the whole picture: DEFINITELY I CAN FIGURE OUT A BETTER FUTURE FOR THEM. Ahmen!! If I were in their shoes, I would have put in the cauldron more compact scenes, like KES' fav1 with the menu, for making a nice outcome, even if my priority must have been others' new plots... All the best to the next, Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Dec 22, 2009 20:59:26 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Kes, I've read your messages & you've always made good straight-to-the-point observations! ...& like Mitsaso & you, even if it doesn't seem so much, I'm optimistic that somehow we'll have this longed for new beautiful story! (if not, really, I never join here...) You're right, the community-feeling has reached lots of people everywhere, it doesn't happen every day fr sure; (I've seen on YT an old long interview by Thore, on ThoreItaly channel on YT, if I remember well ) pointing out that even the actor didn't expected at all this overwhelming reaction...& I'm glad all the fans love so much gathering to VL-cause & the boys too! These actors have been capable of such an affectionate audeince? Alright, KUDOS to them by heart! I know about the changing of the writer, etc...Sometimes changing is even a good thing, it could also mean a new approach to it, now that they've trained quite a lot months ( ?!). I was simply wondering if instead the fans had had a different approach towards them (as you know, when they got angry in the vlog, & for once VL replied to them with an upset note! )...Perhaps something would have changed faster/ before?! Could be or couldn't be, or it's just the money, & the tv-audience that makes the real difference, as it already happened with other good shows before...Ciao tschuss to the next I think the writers may be catching on . . . but I think Zam was right in a post when he said that a kind approach would be better than anger. The writers may need letters to know precisely what the problem is. There is a time issue here: The make storylines well in advance and film weeks in advance. Even if they do make a change, it will take time to register. We need to be patient. However, I think telling the writers when they get things right is a good idea. Sometimes you can's do things better unless you know how you have done well in the past. What storylines have worked on the show (with the new writing team)? Has anything worked well with Christian and Olli (aside from the sex scenes). I would say the time Christian came to Olli with that menu was beautiful. These writers may need to hear what they do well. Sometimes we make people into the clunkers we tell them they are. I worry about Jasmine for this reason: negative energy can permeate the soul, and it can make one do worse at one's job instead of better. (I think Jasmine has had good moments. It's not her fault that she's been given too much of a role too soon.) Anyway, sorry to run off on a tangent. However, I love this community -- and that means the people here too! That's what keeps me coming. With Love, Kes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ciao Kes, I love you all too, I didn't mean to send out to Jasmin or whoever else bad/ pessimistic vibes, you aleady know...Moreover in this period not at all!! (BTW, if I didn't get wrong with you...HAPPY HANUKKAH! The character of Rebecca in itself isn't the problem, in case is the rest of the plot to be out of its balance...Clearly, being R. in the middle of this coil, she also has attracted the bad side of the issue! Probably these writers' staff still needs a proper direction; you were talking about telling them about what's going wrong, & for sure my intention was not to rant in anger towards them...BUT, since it's quite a good number of months that fans keep telling what's has to be correct through the vlog, I don't know.... Perhaps we should also write in detail to make it more clear, to the official site? Did you mean it?! I only hope they still care regarding our Chrolli's plot, & that it won't turn out to be a second choice for them, for whatever reason I mean (that probably we don't know... as a future new couple, a possible brand new direction)...I don't want either to think to a conspiracy against us however, so let's try to stay positive, as you always say!! Let's wait & see before judging With love (& fingers crossed!), Stregatta =^_^=
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Post by stregatta on Dec 21, 2009 22:54:27 GMT -5
Streggatta, you make good points. (I'll take issue with only one: I don't think it's Jo's and Thore's looks that attract people. It's the way they reach out to their fans, and something like community.) However, Chroust is gone, and nothing has been the same since then. Who knows what the influence of Grundy is on the show? I have decided to be positive, though. I still love VL: the new writing team is the new writing team. They are giving Jo and Thore a storyline. I'm choosing to stay and to be positive. (Thanks Mitsaso!) However, everything you say has merit. I hope this message seems supportive. I'm glad to read your concerns and to see you here. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Kes, I've read your messages & you've always made good straight-to-the-point observations! ...& like Mitsaso & you, even if it doesn't seem so much, I'm optimistic that somehow we'll have this longed for new beautiful story! (if not, really, I never join here...) You're right, the community-feeling has reached lots of people everywhere, it doesn't happen every day fr sure; (I've seen on YT an old long interview by Thore, on ThoreItaly channel on YT, if I remember well ) pointing out that even the actor didn't expected at all this overwhelming reaction...& I'm glad all the fans love so much gathering to VL-cause & the boys too! These actors have been capable of such an affectionate audeince? Alright, KUDOS to them by heart! I know about the changing of the writer, etc...Sometimes changing is even a good thing, it could also mean a new approach to it, now that they've trained quite a lot months ( ?!). I was simply wondering if instead the fans had had a different approach towards them (as you know, when they got angry in the vlog, & for once VL replied to them with an upset note! )...Perhaps something would have changed faster/ before?! Could be or couldn't be, or it's just the money, & the tv-audience that makes the real difference, as it already happened with other good shows before...Ciao tschuss to the next
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Post by stregatta on Dec 21, 2009 22:33:21 GMT -5
Non ti preoccupare, stregatta, I have a feeling that soon all of our worries will be dispelled and we'll have some portion of our old Chrolli sensation back! ;D LOL maybe this is the wrong thread to say positive stuff ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Bravo!! Allora non mi proccuperò+... ;D I've really hope for a better Chrolli's treatment too, it's only that the majority of people seems to be satisfied with some little scenes here & there: which doesn't exactly make a big proper story... Lately it was like to be there watching another show; plus being not such a fan of Grelu or others, ya know... PS_ I wanted to add my Cheshire Cat avatar, but I don't succeed... I will try another time, it's too late, & I'm lost again in the net...(I'll come the bad guys of Matrix if I don't cut now...Buonanotte / Buongiorno!) Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Dec 21, 2009 20:48:32 GMT -5
Ok, perhaps I'm the only 1 today wanting to "rain a little on VL parade"! ;-P) Generally speaking, I feel to be close to jj8899 & what he wrote at pag.4 of this thread...(+BTW hell yeah, I remember an old UK course for the language, where I stayed with a Brit family, watching Eastenders & another Aussie-soap...LOL, too bad!! ;-D) I mean, I really appreciate Jo & Thore's work, on the contrary, I wouldn't have joined this fans' group...On the other hand, I really have to admire you all, for having been so emotionally linked to a plot that for many months simply sunk... I'm a recent fan, since this summer's end, so I've fresh in mind the beginning of Chrolli's plot, & how it used to be...(& YT is a devil, 'cause through that unforgettable #45 part, made falling in love so many people!! ;-O) Well, simply now I can't feel the same perfect vibe; at the start, they made me a believer of the TRUE LOVE, regardless that I'm not gay, so usually I watch other romances, but this one has been so powerful to convince me to follow throughout... Ok, then it simply DISAPPEREAD...It's like Chrolli are accepted by the VL's others, better still, they exist almost only to support the friends/ families' issues, etc... It's like when we finally have said: OH WELL, AT LAST A WONDERFUL BRAND NEW KIND OF ROMANCE TO STAY TUNED FOR (+INTERNATIONAL SUCCESS)...They've started to kill it slowly...Even softly, as for instance the clever idea of making the notorious VLOG...(Cute & nice, but we didn't need it before, because there was a real story to watch!) ANYWAY WHERE IS THE SUBSTANCE??!! I mean, sorry, I'm not the kind of fan who would go to the moon to greet & kiss the actors, sorry again if I'm not the type that "OMG J & T ARE NAKED IN BED...WHOA THE KISSES ARE WITH TOUNGUE OR WITHOUT, blah-blah..." (Of course don't be upset, I respect others who think it's so important, 'cause they've a virtual crush on them ;-P) but you get what I mean... Not 'cause I'm a stone-cold person, but IMO the real spell, that leaves you breathless, is in the mind 1st of all; is for that reason that in many shows they keep for so long the sexual tension: 'cause it attracts deeply the viewers to the point...Then after that magical moment you had really to come up with 1st class-ideas to go on at the same level with the storyline, honestly, do you think they've done it for all these faithful fans around?! I don't think so: people simply have been too hopeful & accommodating with the show...Probably if Thore & Jo would have been less handsome, someone will have already quit with the show, isn't it?! ) Regarding today's ep, yep, finally they have made love...Well, a 40 sec-love I had to pause my YT to watch better, with that unbearable character of Becca-witch almost literally inside their (our) minds/ or at least their bedroom, to ruin the whole scene...& ok, Chris told Olli about the wonderful eyes, wow!...& so what?! It's just that?! EXCUSE ME, BUT IT SEEMS TOO LITTLE TOO LATE!!...40 seconds-make up after months of nothing?? (Story+sex scenes as well, if I don't get wrong). As if it weren't enough, we got this always through the eyes of Rebecca's character, as if Chrolli aren't really that much important to deserve their POV, after all, but of secondary importance!! I'm under the impression that we got those pretty hot scenes only as a Xmas-present; & 'cause after they will be all 1 against each other for their next plot. All in all, sorry again for having seen it as a bittersweet scene, but it's what I've felt watching...I'm delusional perhaps, and disappointed. Naturally I'll try to stay positive for the next hopefully big storyline for them, involving the new villain-character & all the rest, but if the writers are the same, I don't know... Last but not least, for 2010 my wish is talking less regarding the bad things & falling for Chrolli again, thanks to the stunning new plot! (As when, you know, you talk less about love 'cause you're making it! ;-P) Ciao a tutti***
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Post by stregatta on Dec 21, 2009 15:27:57 GMT -5
WHAT A PRE-XMAS GIFT FOR US FANS THAT CUTE SCENE!! BTW I was sure from the preview it had to be real, not a dream 1...
The only thing that really bothers me, it's that since quite a period, the only Chrolli's hot scenes, or meaningful scenes we're able to get, are those ones with a glimpse of Rebecca in it, somehow...
I mean, for real I don't care about Becca's crush for C. or storyline, simply I'm bored that we're FORCED TO SEE ALL THE BOYS' STORY FROM THE EYES OF THIS GIRL....I don't like it, it's like stealing their moments, or like if this is the Becca's plot I don't know...
Hopefully we'll see a proper story focused on them only, very soon...CIAO ^_^
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Post by stregatta on Dec 21, 2009 13:36:13 GMT -5
Hi everybody!!1st of all & foremost...HAPPY XMAS & HOLIDAYS TO ALL THE FANS!!^_^ I'm from Italy, at the end of the summer I've stumble upon a video of the boyz on YT...I swear I didn't search for kinky sex or whatever! ;-P) Simply the name VL in Eng.was the same of a song dedicated to another famous tv-couple that I enjoyed (Chair from Gossip Girl),& I was almost instantly hooked!OMG That part#45 must have done so many disasters on young sweet minds aroung the world I guess?! ;-D) BTW I remembered the actors, also for having seen them together on the vlog: since it's on the same pag of a famous German soap, broadcast here too (Sturm der Liebe)...However for sure I didn't expect them to be gay, but I'm an open-minded person and so I've become a fan,and I'm doing a good publicity to friends too! ;-)) Moreover and everwhere,I fall in love with good stories and great characters, I don't mind if it's Shakespeare or Bollywood; so with Chrolli the plot had it all, Jo+Thore are simply perfect in it (some friends into these stories sent me pics of other similar ones, but I've been hooked just to this 1!) Ok,now back to the point: I'm here 'cause I've enjoyed reading your smart comments for quite a long time (sometimes it seemed a psychologists' meeting?!LOL) and wanted to add my POV to the rest...Starting by saying that you're lucky in Germany to have soaps with the final credits+spoilers of the next ep.,or the 2 months-before written spoilers+photos..Really! Because when soaps get here they simply cut that piece, & of ou soaps you can only have a little extra a week before buying a tv-magazine or via-internet! (Italian soaps are or extra conservative, or copied by series like"Dirty Sexy Money"...without the irony!Plus actors look like models, instead German ones seem more "real":-O) Last but not least, German opening credits, are the only ones to have shown what the plot is about!You can believe it's the only time watching the opening song, you can already know the basics of the story, think about it!! -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sorry x being so chatty...Coming back to VL, which is our focus: regarding Rebecca (the wicked Witch of the East?!;-P) I don't like the character either,I found her really boring, instead Judith was nice (even if I wasn't honestly her #1 fan either...I had more fun with Olivia I'd to say! ;-D): BTW I don't think she wil be the stone that will kill Chrolli's story at all...She will simply mess up a little the plot, to end with the blonde boy (sorry I forgot the name!;-P) for helping them coming together again in the very end. Robert-the new installment of VL, I already imagine, will be 1 of my fav characters,'cause I love the bad boys!! Anyways, I don't know if, like all of yous believe, he will be a real villain: I rather hope he'll be an opportunist, who wants to sell also drugs for becoming richer, but at the bottom of his heart, really cares for Olli...This way it could be so more interesting that he just the usual bad guy, and Chrissie baby the HERO, isn't it?! All in all I'm happy to read at long last we'll have a real drama for our Chrolli, they ABSOLUTELY deserve a great new plot...I don't want to stay stick hypnotize to the old one!! ;-D) However I must say my fingers are crossed for Olli's character too: I'm fed up with him always behind the bar, etc...I want back his past, his epic aunt Charlie, his POV: as previously said, why only ever Christian to be under the spotlight?! :-8) (Chris who chases Olli...what a dream!) Throughout the whole Chrolli storyline, this last part has been almost out of characters for them, or them to be just a shoulder for others' plots...I've been very disappointed lately, 'cause I'm looking forward the next step of them: I WANT TO BE SURPRISED AGAIN!! I don't mind if their kisses are not perfect, as others complained,I wish that the vlog won't be the only "safe-heaven" for fans, but I want to hang up to a new plot that make us fall again for them, head over feet!!! CIAO PS_VIELEN DANKE TO ALL THESE KIND FANS WHO HAVE WELL TRANSLATED FOR US THE CLIPS/ THE SPOILERS/ EVERYTHING CONCERNING VL...I REALLY APPRECIATED IT, BRAVO, KUDOS!!*_*
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