VL Bitterness Thread (+ spoilers)

[Bonobochick]

Per request and observation of certain threads, opening this one up for those who feel less optimistic about the direction of the show so that those who are still enjoying the show can continue to do so in other threads with fewer pessismistic comments from others who aren't feeling as cheery.


Those who are online fandom savvy will probably look to this as a bitterness thread (see QAF and Smallville for prime examples of this concept). These type of threads are often opened up when fans become disappointed or disenchanted with the way a show is going and want better but are not too hopeful in the showrunners in making positive changes.


The rules are as such: this thread is for people who are feeling cynical about the turn of events or lack of substantive storytelling and the like. This thread is not to bash actors nor other posters. This thread helps the naysayers voice their opinions without conflict from those who feel opposite and continue to enjoy all aspects of the show.


Have at it without too much vitriol

[kes]

Bobonochick: Thanks. You are wonderful!

I love the actors. But boy -- my feelings about the show? The fact that they made Olli wear that scarf during an episode when he should have looked, well, like himself -- sexy -- that sums it up. Just sad.

Maybe I'm not that bitter . . . but everytime I see that episode, I wonder if someone has it in for Olli.

[Nitty]

I'm still hopeful, because I am an optimistic person, but lately, I've felt like the writers are screwing up big-time!

I feel that some of the choices they've made for Olli are so...idiotic, that now I feel he's almost a little silly.

Examples:

I get embarrassed for him...like when he gave that awful proposal of changing Schneiders, to Charlie...can't watch that ep. without cringing.

And, like Kes mentioned, THE OPENING OF NL!!! What was that? I was sad that he looked so lame!

And all of his tantrums - don't get me wrong, I don't want Olli to be a perfect character, that doesn't have any faults, but he has been whiny and childish lately...and sometimes...I dunno, ugh!...he just doesn't remind me of the Olli I fell in love with.

I really do get the whole, Olli holds things in, until he just has to burst and then, watch out!...but it comes off as if he has reverted back to Olli 7 years ago, and I think he has grown far too much since then, to be that way.

He is, after all, my favorite character on the show, but just look back at the older episodes and see how different he's becoming.

His clothes, and I'm not too vain , but his clothes aren't just bad fashion, they're bad characterization! I REALLY don't understand what direction they are pushing him in, but I DON'T like it.

And yano how in an interview, Jo was afraid of coming off as campy? Well, so am I frankly. I don't think the new writers know how to write him. They just don't get him.

I so miss what the show used to be, not just because Ollian had a regular storyline...I'd be happy with the minute-a-day stuff we're getting now, if they'd only stay true to the characters.

Oh, and they NEED to stop with the crappy continuity sh*t! Remember way back when, or even as of this last summer, when everything flowed together nicely, and she scenes all pretty much meshed? It's so damn fuc*ed up right now!

They say one thing one day (advice wise), and another the next. It's really messing with my, let's pretend that this show is real, delusion. ;D

Verbotene Liebe is still my favorite show. I actually don't regularly watch any television, other than VL anymore. I just pray that magically, the boys will start wearing clothes that boys wear, and that they be written with substance and class.

And eventually, they get some wonderful story-lines, that are NOT about cheating! I HATE that sh*t!

I'm still an optimist, and I don't believe that Ollian will break up anytime soon, like some others.

But if they do...

[R2D2]

I moved my original post here to the <general discussion thread>, because I was told that it doesn't fit in this Thread (Thanks Bonobochick Heres the link to my original post:
gaydaytime.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=vl&action=display&thread=39&page=550#56953

I just left my critics about the former headwriter Schlesselmann here:

Mr. Schlesselmanns Ollian-career:
The whole time Mr. Schlesselmann was the headwriter, we only got one short Ollian-Story involving their relation in November. And this was only because they needed to explain the absence of Olli because of Jo's theatre-play. So they were more or less forced to write this short Ollian-Story in November. On the rest, until now, they don't write any Ollian Story. I think the NoLimits refitting doesn't count as Ollian-Story, because sadly, they were just supportive in their own NL Story (that's the thing which bothers me: Chris and Olli plan and do the refitting of such an important set as the NoLimits, and the writers don't use the story- potential of this). To sum up, he doesn't really care for Ollian and, I don't know, but maybe he was jealous, because it wasn't his story?
Anyway, now he's gone as a headwriter but he's still in the team. For me, there are only two possiple explanations for this:
1. he noticed that he wasn't the wright person for VL-headwriting (there were many critics according the way of storytelling on current storylines in the official VL-Page-Message Board)
2. He was told to leave the headwriter posion.
Both are good for us, I think. His way of storytelling was to much Telenovela-like, I think. He very much focused on Gregor and Luise and sometimes it seemed like he didn't care on other stories and couples the same way. (Maybe that's because he was a writer at a telenovela before VL)

[R2D2]

Just a little addition to the NoLimits opening:

I think we could be very thankful that Jo and Thore very much care about their characters and try to influence the scenes, if they don't agree with them (they told in the afterelton-video interview). If they wouldn't do it, these badly written Storylines like the NoLimits refitting and this horrible opening-party would have been a much bigger desaster I think.

What really bothered me was the way the writers decided to present the NoLimits Party: I think they forgot who should have been the center of this party: Christian and Oliver! They do the work, they managed the refitting and Olli is even the new co-owner! But they weren't even allowed to speak more than a few senteces on the whole party!
Instead of Chris and Olli, the writers decided to make Rebecca and her odd and annoying "wet-T-shirt-contest" and trashy tries to flirt with Gregor to the center of the party!
That's not really a graceful opening for a new set and not a graceful opening for Christian and especially NOT for Olli!

There was another thing which shows the contempt of writers for the NoLimits Story: There was a story about the wedding- anniversary of Lydias parents and the drama about her death mother.At the same episodes the NL-party aired. Lydia and the rest of her family were totally annoying in these scenes. They annoy each other in the story and they annoyed the audience with this annoying story about annoying anniversarys of the annoying death mother (she was written out because of her annoyance). NOONE WANTED TO WATCH THIS SH..! and it get's TWICE the screentime the NoLimits opening and party gets! When I think about this, the writers seem to hate the audience. There is no other reason for this.

I hope that this will get better with the new headwriter again!
I also hope that she will stop this "out of character" behavior of Gregor (according to Chris and Olli during the refitting for example) and also sometimes Olli when he behaves a little bit childish.

I think that this "out of character" things are also a result of these short storylines (only two episodes) in the last time. There is no time to build up the Story and this makes it look "out of the blue". These small Stories don't have a chance to be good if they are not embedded in the context of the rest.
I hope that the new headwriter will solve this problem as fast as possible! It could be helpful that she was in the writers team of VL before, so she may know the characters better than Mr.Schlesselmann.

[brownsugar]

May 3, 2009 21:00:53 GMT -5 R2D2 said:

Just a little addition to the NoLimits opening:

I think we could be very thankful that Jo and Thore very much care about their characters and try to influence the scenes, if they don't agree with them (they told in the afterelton-video interview). If they wouldn't do it, these badly written Storylines like the NoLimits refitting and this horrible opening-party would have been a much bigger desaster I think.

What really bothered me was the way the writers decided to present the NoLimits Party: I think they forgot who should have been the center of this party: Christian and Oliver! They do the work, they managed the refitting and Olli is even the new co-owner! But they weren't even allowed to speak more than a few senteces on the whole party!
Instead of Chris and Olli, the writers decided to make Rebecca and her odd and annoying "wet-T-shirt-contest" and trashy tries to flirt with Gregor to the center of the party!
That's not really a graceful opening for a new set and not a graceful opening for Christian and especially NOT for Olli!

There was another thing which shows the contempt of writers for the NoLimits Story: There was a story about the wedding- anniversary of Lydias parents and the drama about her death mother.At the same episodes the NL-party aired. Lydia and the rest of her family were totally annoying in these scenes. They annoy each other in the story and they annoyed the audience with this annoying story about annoying anniversarys of the annoying death mother (she was written out because of her annoyance). NOONE WANTED TO WATCH THIS SH..! and it get's TWICE the screentime the NoLimits opening and party gets! When I think about this, the writers seem to hate the audience. There is no other reason for this.

I hope that this will get better with the new headwriter again!
I also hope that she will stop this "out of character" behavior of Gregor (according to Chris and Olli during the refitting for example) and also sometimes Olli when he behaves a little bit childish.

I think that this "out of character" things are also a result of these short storylines (only two episodes) in the last time. There is no time to build up the Story and this makes it look "out of the blue". These small Stories don't have a chance to be good if they are not embedded in the context of the rest.
I hope that the new headwriter will solve this problem as fast as possible! It could be helpful that she was in the writers team of VL before, so she may know the characters better than Mr.Schlesselmann.

First...thank you so much for this new thread. I think it was needed.

R2D2...you have presented some excellent points in your above two posts. I also agree with some of what flippa pointed out regarding Olli's clothes and childish behavior.

First...I would like to touch on the horrendous clothes Olli has been forced to wear lately. The worst being that horrible multi colored scarf during the opening of NL. Also, those atrocious jumpers wardrobe have placed Olli in with patterns and prints blinding to the eye.

Second...the campy behavior, which is so out of character for Olli and one of Jo's major concerns pending his return to VL. The worst being how he stood on that chair to welcome the crown at the new NL. The multi coloured scarf and smoking jacket added to the spectacle. And Christian isn't looking all that great either with some of the questionable clothing he's had wearing. It started with that waistcoat/Teeshirt piece he had on going back to November when he and Olli had the argument just before Olli was sent packing to Ibiza. And I loved the reunion, but that washed out looking jumper Christian had on didn't do him much favors either. Both Jo and Thore have nice looking physiques which shouldn't be abused in this way.

Third...the childish behavor - We know Olli keeps things bottled up then usually comes out swinging when the volcano finally explodes, but why have him act like he is back in nursery school?! This is a grown man in a grown up relationship, why have him pouting and throwing himself down on the couch like a spoiled brat just because he didn't get to own part of NL after only two days. It is very unattractive.

Fourth..Ollian kisses - Straight up, I love to see Ollian kiss. They are two beautiful men, in an amazingly beautiful relationship and deeply in love. Please stop with the pecks!! I want to see some longer lip action. This has been going on for months. It's not the lack of Ollian kisses, its the length of them. Each kiss is lasting a second or two(not that I'm timing mind you) but really, what is that all about?! I'm surprised we got what we did with the welcome home party for Olli.

I have to agree with you R2D2 regarding how the writers handled the opening of NL. This one episode should have been focused on Olli and Christian. This was so huge for Olli. And as you said...he and Christian did most of the work while Gregor did zero!, nada! except act like a lost puppy. But no, Ollian are written as supporting at the moment so that's how they should stay. Personally, I say BS! The writers could have spared this single episode for them.

I agree with you again that the previous head writer had his own favorites, and Ollian wasn't one of them. It's obvious Gregor and Louise were, to the point that their storyline has over powered everybody else on VL. So I have a really positive feel regarding this new head writer. I think she will come through for us big time.

Now onto a positive note... we do have has you mentioned R2D2 the extended amount of time given to Ollian considering they are supporting. This indeed is unusual. We also have them coupled not only in the new opener but the banner as well. This is a clear indication that Ollian are considered important characters to the show and will get their major storyline in the near future. Its just a matter of being patient.

[aussie54]

Ah, a place where we can vent! Thank you, Bonobochick.

I agree with what's been said so far.

Quote from R2D2:

When I think about this, the writers seem to hate the audience.

This seems true to me, but so weird. It's almost as if since Ollian was discovered by the world and has become known to be loved, they've done the best to ruin it! I know Jo had to have time off, but that was handled so poorly, and since he's been back, I've barely watched the video clips. The ones I've bothered with have shown Olli to be so different to how he used to be.

I also agree with the lack of "love life". I was criticised for complaining about that at the opening of the new NL, but the kiss behind the metal curtain was so hard to see, I wouldn't have noticed it at all if someone hadn't mentioned it. Little pecks in the background are not what the Ollian fans want. Some quiet romantic down time on the sofa at the flat-share after the opening would've been a nice reward for all the rubbish we've had to put up with.

/rant ;D

[lolaruns]

Ollian

I do keep telling myself "the current writer is gone in two months, the current writer is gone in two months" because I do agree, he doesn't really seem to get the characters. Sure, I didn't expect him to be able to do the same "infused with love for both characters" feat that Chroust did, but you know just basic good stuff! Please Bernadette, please be awesome!

So in my POV, it's only a question of "when" they get a new big Storyline and not "if" they get one.

I agree, but I think I'm mostly pessimisstic that the "when" will be really late. Could it end up being too little too late? I have to say I have to award the Ollian fans tons of medals for being so faithful and amazing. But I don't think that the show should abuse that. There is something to be said about striking the iron when it's hot. And it just seems crazy that there might end up being almost a year between storylines, depend on how long it takes for Carla/Stella/Charlie to get their ish together.

While I do agree with your points as to why one should be optimistic, I have admit that sometimes it still feels like mockery, especially the in house advertising of things like the No Limits when at the same time they put such a popular couple on hold for so long and constantly put them in Gregor's shadow. I know it's paranoid, but sometimes it just bugs me.

The show

I know this probably affects very few other people, but I'm just going to throw myself a pity party anyway. I'm sad that I'm really falling out of love with the show, not Ollian, the show in its entirety. I started watching entire episodes a while after Ollian put its spell on me and I always loved that even in Ollian low times it could entertain me with its latest schemes or romances or things to bitch about. But lately, I don't know whether it is the writing overall, or the current state of Ollian but I find myself seriously considering taking a break from the show (as in the whole show/watching entire episodes). I think I might watch Sarah's exit for Boston mostly because I'm curious how they will handle it but then take a break for a while and only catch up (with like what's going on with Charlie/Stella) once things get more interesting. Because I'm sad to say, as nice people Luise and Gregor might be, I realized that they don't hold my interest at all :/

The NL Opening

I think I was mostly cool with it when I initially saw it because I sort of expected for them to pushed aside for Gregor's angst. But I became really irate when I watched the entire episode, particularly the second one. The whole bit about the anniversary of Lydia's mom's death actually bothered me less than that it seems like people were dispersing from the party like mad. So David and Lydia ran off to sit with their family and build a scrapbook. Stella left the party in the middle of it just so she could drive up to the castle and share a 2 second scene with Carla before Carla leaves which consisted of her shaking Carla's hand while being surrounded by a bulk of other people. Same for Sarah who also left the party to give Carla a quick hug. And then of course Sebastian and his lame comment to Rebecca about also leaving. It felt like rats leaving a sinking ship/at the least like "everywhere else" (including Gregor's flat where the same single episode had the Luise vs. Rebecca drama transpire) was more important than the NL. I just really disliked how it all seemed to peter out/peter away within the episode.

I think it generally bothers me how little screentime was used to tell this story. This was supposed to be a big deal. This is what the fans had been asking for. This was Olli finally developping a dream. It just bugs me when I see it compared to some of the other job storylines that were going on at the same time:

Rebecca: Comes back from NY, tries to hide she has been fired for a few weeks, gets confronted about the truth (Judith) , has a low point (getting drunk with David), tries to get a new career in writing about fashion rather than making fashion and is presented with the trial of the nutty designer Kuno

Lydia: They show the actual trial of her getting the rights to her blog name, including a victory party, we see her job interview, her supportive boyfriend and how they oust the evil obstacle of Oivia's sabotage attempt

Sarah: Now there were many things wrong with this storyline, last but not least that Sarah acted like an insane harpy throughout most of it (while Leo tried to pacify her with romance) and that it all seemed to end in a big batch of WTF everything disappearing into nothingness/going back to "we are fine and blissfull now, yay!". BUT even with all the flaws the story had, it bugs me that even with all its problems a broad space was reserved for Sarah to show all her feelings for her dream and what it means to her (including her and Leo getting to talk what her piano dream means to her as opposed to what his doctor dream means to him). Why wasn't Olli's dream given this much scope?

Again, it's not me wanting a NL version of Sarah's hand story for Olli where he acts all crazy and Christian tries to pacify him, but it's more about me feeling that Olli finally getting a dream deserved a lot more attention and exploration and more screentime to do that attention and exploration.

It bugs me that though Rebecca's and Lydia's job storylines are really just side storylines afterthoughts to their main storylines (Rebecca's stalking of Gregor and Lydia/Sebastian respetively), but to me they still seem to have continuity and at least on paper seem to be a lot more relatable for your average viewer than Olli getting an immediate loan from Charlie, then renovating the NL off screen and in the end being shoved aside at his own opening in favor of more Gregor angst and everybody taking off to anywhere.

In style Sarah's storyline was probably more similar to what Ollian should have been in scope since it was her main storyline and she kept doing advice giving on the side, kinda like Ollian does (as opposed to "already have a main story and just get this on top of it" Rebecca and Lydia) and while I wouldn't have wanted the Sarah storyline for Ollian (though I'm sure Jo and Thore would have found ways to make the fights a lot more likeable and loving) to me it gives an example of how much screentime they should have gotten at least. Again probably Ollian should have gotten more since Olli getting a dream should have been a big deal.

I'm not completely pessimistic because I think there is still potential in the storyline if the writers try to pick it up at a later time (if there are problems of any kind at the No Limits and we get to see Olli's strenght and Olli's feelings in that situation even when in the build up phase most of that was shoved off screen), but I guess I can't help being a bit pouty when I look at how some of those other storylines are handled.

And I guess it is true that if the current writer wasn't able to truly "get" Olli, maybe it is a good thing that they didn't have the storyline now and that maybe it will be done down the line by somebody who actually gets them.

[lolaruns]

Grrrr, speaking of things to be pissed about:

According to Nanna:

Some of the videos (including the 04.04.08 episode *sniff) are no longer available in all countries because they have copyrighted songs in them. So unless your country has an iTunes store, you're screwed. I'm really sorry but there's nothing I can do about that.

These are the countries where you can see them:
American Samoa, Australia, Brazil, Canada, Christmas Island, Cocos (Keeling) Islands, Cuba, Fiji, France, Germany, Guam, Heard Island and McDonald Islands, India, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Kiribati, Mexico, Nauru, Netherlands, New Zealand, Niue, Norfolk Island, Northern Mariana Islands, Papua New Guinea, Puerto Rico, Solomon Islands, South Korea, Spain, Tokelau, Tonga, Tuvalu, United Kingdom, United States, United States Virgin Islands, Vanuatu

I'm acutally in one of the countries where you can't see it

[mona]

About Ollis childish behaviour sometimes:
Spoiler: I think that could be over when Christian gets to act jealous again.

But I don't think that's out of character. Even when he fell for Christian he had the "I want him" little kid voice for example when he didn't want him to move to Goa.

I think that's one thing the show does good, giving everyone character flaws they bring up again.

[Deleted]

Mona I see your point about Olli having a "little kid" moment everytime he wants something, and I kinda like it, but sometimes the writers do take it a little far.

I wish there was more Ollian moments because I cannot get enough of them and I am sad that has been really nothing to be subbed and I need more Ollian!!

[chrollifan]

Grrrrr! I hate this picture filter that they use since last week. I hoped that it's only for one block (5 episodes), but it's seems to be a permanent thing.

[R2D2]

May 5, 2009 13:27:17 GMT -5 @chrollifan said:

Grrrrr! I hate this picture filter that they use since last week. I hoped that it's only for one block (5 episodes), but it's seems to be a permanent thing.

You are so right!
This filter is so horrible, I already e-mailed to the VL-Production because this really bothers me!
It makes the faces look yellow, and the lips look extremly red, very unnatural. It also, makes the picture look unsharp and fast moves look blurred. Why do they bug the audience with this filter? Don't they watch how it looks like in television?

[kes]

I suppose I have a certain sadness today: normally a posting of a new spoiler would bring quite a discussion; today nothing. I wonder if people are becoming disillusioned?

Lugia's wonderful blog is worth reading, in case anyone is looking for outstanding commentary on this score -- and on the daily life of the soap. The pic's and insights are outsanding.

I suppose I post to recommend Lugia's April commentary -- I would love to get the take other's have.

Lugia, I hope you don't mind my posting a link. I just think your blog outstanding.

4lugia.livejournal.com/280067.html

Thanks all!

[sio127]

May 11, 2009 12:58:26 GMT -5 kes said:

I suppose I have a certain sadness today: normally a posting of a new spoiler would bring quite a discussion; today nothing. I wonder if people are becoming disillusioned?

For me personelly I'm not so much disillusioned as wary about where they are taking the characters, I have the feeling that the writers are not sure what to do so are throwing a bunch of stuff together to see what works (in their eyes)......I guess all we can do is hold out hope that it soon goes back to the way it was last year with good meaty storylines very well played....

[lolaruns]

Witten by jose:

I think it's a question of perspective. Nuke had bad writting and a kiss ban, an american soap used to be over the top, so if get into it, right now it wasn't so bad. They have the same treatment than other couples, they have screentime, and the last storylines are entertaiment (yes, it could be so much better but at least are far better than Ameera one or the murder mystery)
On the other hand, VL had a great storyline last year and suddenly they aren't nowhere, they are less than supporting roles in the last couple of months. I really like that character in general take part in other characters storylines, but the truth is neither Ollie nor Christian take an important role in any storyline, they are mere confesor for stella, charlie or Gregor.
And it's harder get fond of this when you had so interesting storylines last year. In fact i'm starting to miss Axel.

It's an interesting point. I have to say though, to me Christian and Oliver still fare better than a lot o other characters (Judith and Olivia come to mind). But at the same time I have to confess that even the happy little scenes feel really superfluous and inconsequential to me. It just doesn't feel "filling".

Also I have now given up watching VL (entire episodes) for good just like I though though it's more a result of the over all quality than of the quality of Ollian.

[Zam]

May 13, 2009 3:51:25 GMT -5 lolaruns said:

Also I have now given up watching VL (entire episodes) for good just like I though though it's more a result of the over all quality than of the quality of Ollian.

What I would hate, though, is for Olli and Christian to get the same idiotic treatment that Nuke frequently get, where it essentially boils down to: Nuke is on, it must be Tuesday/Thursday.

[jjose712]

Well, i don't know how VL works, the used to have Ollian every day, but different soaps have different paths. Nuke are ussually a couple of days a week, but it's the same for Casey. And frankly i prefer a couple of days a week, than like Hollyoaks who used to air a storyline for two weeks and then two weeks without the characters, to come back two weeks later.
I really like Christian and Ollie, but right now the story, or better, the lack of story is very dissapointting

[davedoty]

I'm not sure I've ever even posted in a VL thread before. I'm not so much bitter as bored. I found VL, ran through the whole saga via Youtube, and now that there's nothing much to see, I've moved on. I never really had enough attachment to the show to be bitter, it was just a brief fling. It's almost like watching a movie, and now I'm okay with it being over.

If they ever come up with a meaningful story for Ollian again, I'd be glad to come back (and I monitor these threads to watch for that), but in the meantime, I'm basically looking at it as if the show were just over.

[lolaruns]

I'm not sure if this counts as bitterness, but I still don't particularly like the new style of shooting.

[brownsugar]

Jun 20, 2009 0:26:34 GMT -5 lolaruns said:

I'm not sure if this counts as bitterness, but I still don't particularly like the new style of shooting.

Lola...when you say 'the new style of shooting" are you referring to the overall look of the scenes? because these last few episode did seem to have a different look to me. I mentioned this in one of the episode threads about how the episode had a different feel to it. But I didn't know there was a new style in shooting.

I am in agreement with you...I'm not feeling new shooting style at the moment. Maybe it will take some getting use to. I don't really know how to describe it, but watching the Ollian scenes just look different.

[lolaruns]

Yes, I mostly mean the lighting of the scenes. I think it's actually more obvious in the castle scenes.

[sylstyle]

I am so sorry to write my first real post in this thread but Ive got the feeling I had to.

I am coming back from a business trip and 2 weeks of vacations and I was so happy to see all of these beautiful videos and especially the video blog.

But time to think of it I was like "Oh my god the old Olli is back". Let me explain you my thoughts. I was so happy that after Olli came back from Ibiza writters gave him a goal to achieve : being a new businessman, opening a new version of the No Limits ...

But since many weeks all is do is same old : being a waiter, supporting Christian, helping him finding a new job .... And all the reviews are for Christian : Christian is unhappy with his job, he kissed Myriam, spoiler : he thinks he's not a man anymore ....

I know that Olli participated in the aids funds auction, that he had to deal with the critic, but at least he could have talked a bit more about his new experiment. But can't we have a bit of story of Olli dealing with his business turnover, attending to accountancy training, hiring new poeple, making interviews .....

We had two goodstories on that : the fight with Christian being just an employee and firing Christian, just elaborate on that.

If it goes on like this Olli will be the perfect new cast for the new season of Desperate Housewives

Don't take me too seriously, because I don't take it serioulsy on my own and I don't really think this is deliberate from the writters. But I had the feeling I had to say it.


Sylvain

[ivaniv]

I think it would not be in character for Olli, it would make him pretty selfish if he ignored what is going on with Christian and concentrated on his career.

[kes]

Aug 6, 2009 1:51:32 GMT -5 sylstyle said:

I am so sorry to write my first real post in this thread but Ive got the feeling I had to.

I am coming back from a business trip and 2 weeks of vacations and I was so happy to see all of these beautiful videos and especially the video blog.

But time to think of it I was like "Oh my god the old Olli is back". Let me explain you my thoughts. I was so happy that after Olli came back from Ibiza writters gave him a goal to achieve : being a new businessman, opening a new version of the No Limits ...

But since many weeks all is do is same old : being a waiter, supporting Christian, helping him finding a new job .... And all the reviews are for Christian : Christian is unhappy with his job, he kissed Myriam, he thinks he's not a man anymore ....

I know that Olli participated in the aids funds auction, that he had to deal with the critic, but at least he could have talked a bit more about his new experiment. But can't we have a bit of story of Olli dealing with his business turnover, attending to accountancy training, hiring new poeple, making interviews .....

We had two goodstories on that : the fight with Christian being just an employee and firing Christian, just elaborate on that.

If it goes on like this Olli will be the perfect new cast for the new season of Desperate Housewives

Don't take me too seriously, because I don't take it serioulsy on my own and I don't really think this is deliberate from the writters. But I had the feeling I had to say it.


Sylvain

Welcome! I am so glad you are here! You picked the perfect place to vent, too.

I am not worried about Olli. I think that he has fully transformed into a business owner -- he still isn't letting Chris work at NoLimits, even when Christian is going through problems. (He made that very clear the other day.) From what I can tell, Christian is helping because he wants to, and is probably not getting paid.

Olli is holding his boundaries. But, as Ivan said, it is better that he has not swung so far into concern for his career that he has lost his kindness.

I agree with Ivan: it would be pretty hard to like Olli if he didn't invest in Christian now. I think the writers are to be credited: they are showing us shades of grey here.

Hope that is helpful.