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Post by lolaruns on Aug 6, 2009 13:23:42 GMT -5
IMO the writers are trying to draw Olli as the perfect boyfriend. But the downside of that is that that doesn't give you much of a character.
Personally I don't think that it would be OOC at all for Olli to get selfish for a bit or to fixate on something too much for a while. But they are so fixated on the great boyfriend bit they are never breaking out of it. Which is bothersome. I mean, every relationship has their flaws and problems. Even "perfect" ones like Gregor and Luise have minor troubles that are routed in their personalities.
I think some additional explorations of Olli's personality would really be appreciated. I hate it when things get lopsided. Especially since the boxing story already focused so much on Christian's feelings and Christian's growth.
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Post by sylstyle on Aug 6, 2009 13:24:59 GMT -5
I think it would not be in character for Olli, it would make him pretty selfish if he ignored what is going on with Christian and concentrated on his career. I'm sorry I didn' want to mean it like that. Of course he needs to support Christian because he is everything for him and I didn't want to imply that he has to concentrate on his career, certainly not currently as you very well said. What I just wanted to explain is that as a viewer I would like to see what he does as a bar owner. Actually I was talking about Olli as an individual outside his relationship, spoiler : like Christian might do within the castle. . I am very sorry for the misunderstanding. Sylvain
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 6, 2009 13:26:50 GMT -5
Don't be sorry. After all: "This thread helps the naysayers voice their opinions without conflict from those who feel opposite and continue to enjoy all aspects of the show."
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Post by sylstyle on Aug 6, 2009 13:30:19 GMT -5
Thank you Kes and Lola for your answers. Actually I think Lola you discribed what I wanted to say, but in a better way.
By the way what does OOC mean?
Thanks again
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Post by lolaruns on Aug 6, 2009 13:44:33 GMT -5
OOC = Out of Character meaning that a character is behaving very unlike himself.
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Post by sylstyle on Aug 6, 2009 13:50:15 GMT -5
OOC = Out of Character meaning that a character is behaving very unlike himself. Thanks now I can understand
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Post by mona on Aug 6, 2009 15:03:40 GMT -5
I have some bitterness when it comes to the GreLu story. Is it just me or do they fail on showing what we should wait for? Luise decided to be with Gregor (I love her strong behaviour when it comes to that decision) but what's left? They create every moment too schmaltzy - they don't get any Highlights anymore like Ollian got the moment where they kissed in the boxing ring. Even with Christian now and it's sometimes a bad script I kinda think there's an arc when he's going through bad times and maybe one day he can box again (what we should hope I assume).
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Post by kes on Aug 7, 2009 13:16:29 GMT -5
Today made me feel like, "Maybe it's time to take a break." The one nice moment: that beautiful kiss between Christian and Olli. But boy am I getting bad vibes from Rebecca. Christian seemed to be having a typical soapy secret feelings reaction in front of the refrigerator. Also, she was the one he vented at and she kept his secret. I'm feeling very down about all this.
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Post by tone on Aug 7, 2009 22:21:53 GMT -5
IMO the writers are trying to draw Olli as the perfect boyfriend. Hey, I'm new to posting here too, but I've been reading for quite a while... Okay, for me, if that's what the writers are trying to do... they are failing. I'm finding Olli the opposite of "the perfect boyfriend" but I can see that's what the writers are trying to do. I'm so over Olli being cast and/or seen as so perfect and understanding when I actually think he's shown Christian very little understanding through the whole "heart issue" thing. Yes, he's shown concern, yes he's yelled at Christian when Christian was being stupid and punching the bag, but where's the conversation about how much this is affecting Christian? Where is the understanding about what is going on with Christian on an emotional level? I think Olli has been flippant with Christian like "oh well, you can't do that anymore. Find another dream, here's some brochures." I could have knocked him into the middle of next week. /rant
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Post by kes on Sept 1, 2009 8:31:04 GMT -5
Spoiler alert: I'm rather sad after reading the new spoilers. Somehow, even a helicopter crash seems boring. I should stop reading these spoilers, for, as Rhia once said, I don't really care about ANY of this. I care about Gregor and the princess, but even their story seems hack and prectable -- there isn't enough quirk/wit/intrigue to make it interesting. Not even enough "Princess tries to adapt to life in a pub." Jeez, even that storyline hasn't been used!!!Yuch. And any "Olli gets blamed for helicopter crash" storyline just seems boring. THANKS jasmineg!!!
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Post by jasmineg on Sept 1, 2009 8:39:48 GMT -5
I agree with you, kes, but I'm not sure if spoilers are allowed in this thread? Might want to hide them, just to be safe.
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Post by sio127 on Sept 20, 2009 8:02:04 GMT -5
You know , I was just re watching some old episodes.. (what else to do on a SUnday afternoon) and can I just say I miss when the boys used to dress in NORMAL clothes!!! THe episodes before the boxing watch...normal jeans or cargo pants and t shirts.......oh bring back those days please!!
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Post by mona on Sept 27, 2009 11:24:10 GMT -5
I have bitterness about the bar-talks. I do like Olli behind the bar, talking to people and their problems but lately I got the impression Christian and Olli mostly talked at the bar and their whole relationship is there. Which also seems like they use it to show less physical contact between them. Like last week when Olli had the sad look about Olivia. On the flatshare couch they would've cuddled I think but here the bar was between them. (Not even mentioniong the private moments, Christian and Olli talking about the Miriam-Kiss, Christian and Olli making up there a few times or Olli telling Christian that Rebecca kissed him even though the first cut was at the flatshare and they could've made them talk there when Christian asked what's wrong with Rebecca).
For the sweet moments: Ealier we got nice flirting but right now we get more: Christian taking a book and starting to read it right away. So not even there the bar thing is really used.
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Post by chango on Sept 28, 2009 11:58:53 GMT -5
I would have given a lot to see the kind of talk Carla and Stella got today with Ollian after some of their recent arguments about Christian's health or his job situation. And blog conversations don't count in my opinion. It's a bit ridiculous since Starla is usually the prime example for a couple in a position that's even worse than Ollian's, but their little arc about Carla trying to beat Ansgar for good by using his love for his little son as leverage and the kind of issues Stella had with this approach and Carla's tunnel vision was really well done. Especially today's resolution, when Carla finally noticed herself that Stella was right and she was about to become just like Ansgar and the final scene when they talked about their motivations and fears was something I enjoyed, because I still like them as a couple, but it also sparked a sense of jealousy or bitterness. Because the writers proved that they can write good and satisfying reconciliations and it doesn't take up a lot of time during an episode. Just add a couple of more lines and the result is definitely noticeable.
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Post by mona on Sept 28, 2009 12:04:14 GMT -5
I think it proves that they don't think the problems with Christian were about Ollian as a couple (like Christian never thought Olli is at fault and Olli never took something very personal like Stella who told Carla that her plan is affecting her a lot and she doesn't know her anymore) so they didn't write something like that. But to be fair, That is basically Starlas first scene like that and we got a lot of that last year, so comparing is difficult. But I kinda agree though.
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Post by jasmineg on Sept 28, 2009 13:39:55 GMT -5
But to be fair, That is basically Starlas first scene like that and we got a lot of that last year, so comparing is difficult. Exactly, last year. I don't think last year plays into this at all because we had the writers on our side last year. Despite the rush job the new writers have done on Starla, I do get the feeling they're interested in telling the story of these two, as you could see today. Not so much with Christian and Olli. I think the lack of resolution for Ollian had nothing to do with the way the writers saw their fight as opposed to Starla's fight; to me it seems to be more about what the writers are interested in and feel comfortable writing. I don't want to accuse anybody of anything or assume anything, but lately I haven't been able to shake the feeling that these new writers simply don't feel very comfortable writing a gay relationship. But I don't know. *shrug*
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Post by mona on Sept 28, 2009 13:59:15 GMT -5
But Starla was/is treated very horrible overall. I don't think they're ( the fans) now happy because they get one talk (again about the holding...). Maybe I'm stupid but I have hope this is a new way of writing lately (last weeks?). The storys (sadly Rebecca) get more build up, Starla got a better writing and they do little happy things again for couples. Even a few spoilers sound a little better/cute.
I think it's a little sad they did more sex related scenes with Ollian now than deep talking but you could also say many fans complained about that and in summer, they changed that a little bit from time to time.
I think the next real storyline for them will tell what's up. Because the last months they only had small things to do (which was better than they treated Judith)
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Post by mona on Sept 28, 2009 14:07:27 GMT -5
Or something else: I think if they don't like them, they would break them up. Simple as that. No matter what the fans say or how everyone say they can't break them up. Maybe they do that but I think even without a storyline they got nice things from time to time. If they have a storyline could be the problem of some boss who says "when". But I think it's hard to blame every writer for the lack of storyline. Maybe they even read the complaining and they get an honest talk someday (I'm too full of trust? hmmm?) Or they actually waited for something for a few months now which is needed for the new story?
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Post by valso on Sept 28, 2009 14:16:59 GMT -5
I think that for breaking them up they should writing a storyline dedicated to them and it seems to me that they apparently had no intentions of doing so. I don't think the problem is about the authors liking or not Christian and Oliver but being interested or not in writing for them and clearly they aren't.
The only things they make Christian and Oliver do is stand pretty in the background. Even when something happens to them (Rebecca kissing Oliver f.e.) the storyline turns out to be not about them at all. I'm very bitter right now thinking about VL, sorry.
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Post by jasmineg on Sept 28, 2009 14:17:16 GMT -5
I like your optimism and positivity, Mona. I wish I could share it. I can't even think of any cute background scenes lately. They're barely in the same scenes anymore, and if they are, touching has been reduced to a minimum. But really, I don't know. Maybe it was the Starla scene today that made me feel more bitter than usual. Oh, and LySeb randomly lounging around in bed. There was no reason for that scene, Rebecca could have talked to Sebastian anywhere (even with Lydia present), but the writers clearly wanted a bed scene. It's just... depressing.
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Post by brownsugar on Sept 28, 2009 21:30:30 GMT -5
On one hand I think the writers do care about Olli and Christian's character, because if they didn't we wouldn't have the Vlog and them featured front and center in the banners. Then on the other hand the writers don't seem to care enough because they are still supporting almost a year since Olli's brain aneurysm storyline ended. And they are not given any long standing storyline. For instance...the consequences of Olli's extended vacation in Ibiza..diifficulties with the opening of the new and improved NL..Christian's heart problems..Christian kissing Miriam in his drunken state..Olli getting kissed by Rebecca in a sober state. I mean, there has been plenty of opportunities but no follow through. Then we have the unfortunate choice from the writers of having two of the best actors and most beloved characters hook up with one of the worst actors and not very liked characters in, Rebecca. And what about the wardrobe for the guys? The atrocious outfits the character of Olli has had to wear, and even Christian has not escaped a number of fashion disasters. I mean, those who are responsible for dressing Olli and Christian should be sacked. Plus, notice most of the other characters on VL have not been subject to such bad choice in clothing like Ollian. It shameful!!
What's also confusing is the writers will give us some pretty deep scenes like when Christian collapsed in the bath tub or the more recent one which took place in their bedroom with Christian's impotence, but then nothing much after that with these really important incidences forgotten a day or so later. I don't know if it's because the focus right now is all Gre/Lu and Ly/Seb resulting in every other storyline taking a hit, but it's making me very bitter.
Jo and Thore are such good actors with talent which should be used not ignored. They are a wonderful and important addition to VL, and it is past due time they were shown more respect with a decent LONG running storyline, not these flash in the pan two episode deal.
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Post by jj8899 on Sept 29, 2009 10:37:56 GMT -5
i am so bored of this show at the moment - i think i might actually hate it a little bit people might hate me for this, but i've reached my threshold with this: things that are currently wrong (or headed in the wrong direction) for me, about chrolli:1. the fact they have been reduced to comical bystanders in the whole set up of the show. aside from their crappy little mini stories, i can't remember the last important scene either of them had. or the last time they stole an episode with their acting chops. why showpeople, if you have two awesome actors under contract for you, who've proved their worth - do you insist on showcasing the less dramatically gifted members of your cast in preference to chrolli?!?! WHY?!?!?!? 2. REBECCA i was gonna make her number one, but i reckon i could settle for a little rebecca interaction, as long as she was a fulfilling the supporting role and not the other way around. but the problem is, she's being pumped into this main princessy character with chrolli running round her like the obligatory GBFs (gay.best.friends). it compromises their characters (that they worked so carefully to build up), it compromises the credibility of the show (rebecca has just 'appeared' as judith replacement no 1) and it makes me more than a little nervous. putting her in prime position next to chrolli like this, whose to say she won't come between them at some point in the future. in fact this was my main problem with her when she first delatched herself from gregor and onto the next readily available mann and partner. now i don't care either way if she's going end up in bed with either of them or not - she ruins every single scene she's in and i just want her to eff off for good. the actress has a very pretty face and seems nice enough, don't get me wrong, but girlfriend needs some acting lessons because i'm sick of staring at her shocked/happy/sad/surprised/angry/jealous/sly pout. 3. THE COUSINS. why bury the interesting one under literal tons of cement and keep the boring one so present and in your face not an episode goes by without her in it? okay i get the olivia actress wanted to leave. but i thought the end was nasty and unnecessary and just so, so sad for olivia/olli - who were one of my favourite non-romantic pairings on the show. i just have to think of that episode at the flatshare table with olivia winding coco up about olli and timo and i want to weep. but no use crying over split milk i guess. it can't be undone now. although why can't stella sort herself out with carla FOR GOOD? because her being at the castle - is a great excuse for christian to not be around olli and gregor more - which is only gonna lead to more rebecca/christian scenes imo. and god knows i don't need anymore of those. i liked stella at the beginning. i really like her and christian, but the writers just have no clue what to do with her and haven't from the very beginning. and it's getting to the point where it's not even funny anymore. 4. the loss of all chrolli's friends and close circle slightly bitter, slightly crying over split milk, slightly to do with NO 3. but i'm so sad at all the crappy changes the show has gone through since i started watching. i know soaps change all the time and it was bound to happen. but with judith, olivia and now possibly gregor on their way out it's almost like the whole 'feel' of the show has changed. i'm sure there are ways they could have minimised the impact of such big characters leaving, i'd still have been sad, hell i shed a tear when coco and constantin left. but it feels like the show is losing its footing a bit. fingers crossed newcomers andi, tristan and helena will bring a much needed rejuvenation to cast but i'm not holding my breath what with rebecca being lined up as chrolli's little playmate from now on. 5. the vlogs. i've complained before and i'm gonna do it again. i didn't like chrolli because i'm the superfan type. i find it difficult to get into anything as much as have this obscure (in england) german soap opera. i got into it because the story and actors were really good and there was lots going on for them. they seemed prominent in the show, which is unusual for a gay couple in soap operas where i'm from. anyone ever seen eastenders? *yawn* i appreciate the thought and effort that goes into the vlogs and it's nice to see snippets of their life outside the actual show. but i'd forgo live webcam into the flatshare bathroom if it meant they'd give chrolli a decent SL ;D no seriously though. it feels like they are just 'placating' the fans, rather than truly thinking about why the pairing even had the fanbase in the first place. 6. this is a shallow one. the wardrobe. chrolli used to be about the stories as i've said already about fifty times now in their new decorative role, it's like their action for an episode has been reduced to their wardrobes. i like the workman look on christian better than i did the trilby and the beige. but please, doesn't he have more than one work outfit? and olli!?! well that's a whole different post for a different place. but last night was the piece de resistance in his new ridiculous wardrobe. OH and it's not entirely shallow either. it feels a bit like olli especially is being pigeon-holed in the gay bar owner role. i.e. decoration. 7. characterisation. slipping. miriam and rebecca? need i say more. 8. gregor and luise. too much. stop now, please. 9. general writing. it feels like a soap now. it feels a bit fake. 10. dero are showing chrolli up!! and not in the 'AWZ is on later than VL' way either. dero are actually making me despair for christian and olli and their future. so i got a bit bored towards the end. but i'm sad and tired. and losing hope. i'll keep watching for a bit, but i honestly have got to the point where i don't know how much more i can take. sorry in advance if my bitterness and vitriol has upset anyone. it's hard to stay calm when you are so disappointed. here's a present to make up for it. the reason i loved this show to begin with www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMd1dKqqWRI x
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Post by ollianlove on Oct 5, 2009 11:08:53 GMT -5
Hello Chrolli/Ollian lovers ... here's another one aboard ;D I am Cass and have been a Christian and Oliver fan since last year. You guys are superb! So, I thought of joining y'all. I hope I would make a good amount of friends here!
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Post by ollianlove on Oct 5, 2009 11:10:42 GMT -5
i am so bored of this show at the moment - i think i might actually hate it a little bit people might hate me for this, but i've reached my threshold with this: things that are currently wrong (or headed in the wrong direction) for me, about chrolli:1. the fact they have been reduced to comical bystanders in the whole set up of the show. aside from their crappy little mini stories, i can't remember the last important scene either of them had. or the last time they stole an episode with their acting chops. why showpeople, if you have two awesome actors under contract for you, who've proved their worth - do you insist on showcasing the less dramatically gifted members of your cast in preference to chrolli?!?! WHY?!?!?!? 2. REBECCA i was gonna make her number one, but i reckon i could settle for a little rebecca interaction, as long as she was a fulfilling the supporting role and not the other way around. but the problem is, she's being pumped into this main princessy character with chrolli running round her like the obligatory GBFs (gay.best.friends). it compromises their characters (that they worked so carefully to build up), it compromises the credibility of the show (rebecca has just 'appeared' as judith replacement no 1) and it makes me more than a little nervous. putting her in prime position next to chrolli like this, whose to say she won't come between them at some point in the future. in fact this was my main problem with her when she first delatched herself from gregor and onto the next readily available mann and partner. now i don't care either way if she's going end up in bed with either of them or not - she ruins every single scene she's in and i just want her to eff off for good. the actress has a very pretty face and seems nice enough, don't get me wrong, but girlfriend needs some acting lessons because i'm sick of staring at her shocked/happy/sad/surprised/angry/jealous/sly pout. 3. THE COUSINS. why bury the interesting one under literal tons of cement and keep the boring one so present and in your face not an episode goes by without her in it? okay i get the olivia actress wanted to leave. but i thought the end was nasty and unnecessary and just so, so sad for olivia/olli - who were one of my favourite non-romantic pairings on the show. i just have to think of that episode at the flatshare table with olivia winding coco up about olli and timo and i want to weep. but no use crying over split milk i guess. it can't be undone now. although why can't stella sort herself out with carla FOR GOOD? because her being at the castle - is a great excuse for christian to not be around olli and gregor more - which is only gonna lead to more rebecca/christian scenes imo. and god knows i don't need anymore of those. i liked stella at the beginning. i really like her and christian, but the writers just have no clue what to do with her and haven't from the very beginning. and it's getting to the point where it's not even funny anymore. 4. the loss of all chrolli's friends and close circle slightly bitter, slightly crying over split milk, slightly to do with NO 3. but i'm so sad at all the crappy changes the show has gone through since i started watching. i know soaps change all the time and it was bound to happen. but with judith, olivia and now possibly gregor on their way out it's almost like the whole 'feel' of the show has changed. i'm sure there are ways they could have minimised the impact of such big characters leaving, i'd still have been sad, hell i shed a tear when coco and constantin left. but it feels like the show is losing its footing a bit. fingers crossed newcomers andi, tristan and helena will bring a much needed rejuvenation to cast but i'm not holding my breath what with rebecca being lined up as chrolli's little playmate from now on. 5. the vlogs. i've complained before and i'm gonna do it again. i didn't like chrolli because i'm the superfan type. i find it difficult to get into anything as much as have this obscure (in england) german soap opera. i got into it because the story and actors were really good and there was lots going on for them. they seemed prominent in the show, which is unusual for a gay couple in soap operas where i'm from. anyone ever seen eastenders? *yawn* i appreciate the thought and effort that goes into the vlogs and it's nice to see snippets of their life outside the actual show. but i'd forgo live webcam into the flatshare bathroom if it meant they'd give chrolli a decent SL ;D no seriously though. it feels like they are just 'placating' the fans, rather than truly thinking about why the pairing even had the fanbase in the first place. 6. this is a shallow one. the wardrobe. chrolli used to be about the stories as i've said already about fifty times now in their new decorative role, it's like their action for an episode has been reduced to their wardrobes. i like the workman look on christian better than i did the trilby and the beige. but please, doesn't he have more than one work outfit? and olli!?! well that's a whole different post for a different place. but last night was the piece de resistance in his new ridiculous wardrobe. OH and it's not entirely shallow either. it feels a bit like olli especially is being pigeon-holed in the gay bar owner role. i.e. decoration. 7. characterisation. slipping. miriam and rebecca? need i say more. 8. gregor and luise. too much. stop now, please. 9. general writing. it feels like a soap now. it feels a bit fake. 10. dero are showing chrolli up!! and not in the 'AWZ is on later than VL' way either. dero are actually making me despair for christian and olli and their future. so i got a bit bored towards the end. but i'm sad and tired. and losing hope. i'll keep watching for a bit, but i honestly have got to the point where i don't know how much more i can take. sorry in advance if my bitterness and vitriol has upset anyone. it's hard to stay calm when you are so disappointed. here's a present to make up for it. the reason i loved this show to begin with www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMd1dKqqWRI x I was wondering earlier and was curious to know what this thread was about ;D And brownsugar and johny I totally agree with you both ... This thread would be really helpful for me, I guess! lol
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Post by kes on Oct 14, 2009 9:41:49 GMT -5
One word: spoilers. Now I am going to go vomit.
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