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Post by stregatta on Mar 10, 2010 20:01:49 GMT -5
Oh well Lugia, sorry, you know I didn't want to bring you down!! Anyways, I guess the 1st different thing I've noticed watching "the German invasion of soaps" into Italian tv, as I've previously said, had been the almost surgery-precision in making very clear from the start who's who, who's with whom, etc...etc...(The opening sequence_the montage_the ending credits+the preview of next ep.) This whole kind of writing is for not being subtle at all, as other fans have said before, because it's obvious it steals the "freshness" of a whichever storyline, at least IMO.
However if people is used to it, it's perfectly ok, but at the same time, I wouldn't be so surprised if they take it seriously: because I guess this kind of plot are presented as "dramatic", even if for me now, this peculiar 1 looks more like "grotesque" at the moment...LOL ;-P)
For ins.: when for endless times you make poor Rob telling those silly antics regarding "being cool the American way" you turned out to be pathetic in the end, isn't it?! I guess it's really the writers' fault this time, not actors', don't worry about the reaction towards them, it's only that fans are a little angry, but they still love them, I'm sure, it's only a pity for the rest...
Last but not least, don't give up on Fringe,'cause, if it's true what some fans told me, the better is coming on the way (especially towards season 2), but I can't tell myself, it's quite new for me too! Don't be sad, at this bottom point, VL can only fly like the phoenix!...Ciao* ;-)
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Post by stregatta on Mar 10, 2010 18:57:26 GMT -5
Uuhhh dear Lugia, can we embrace & cry a little more please?! WHY...Just someone told me WHY??!! It's frustrating... I don't know, for me it's quite difficult to follow even their emotions when the characters behave in a proper way, you can imagine here.... In any case, if you, that know well this kind of telling, tell me this, I'm getting even more worry now! Furthermore, in this German soap there isn't the protagonist's voiceover ...Perhaps it's better this way, we could have listened to Becca's mumbling, even if only in her head?!? (Mamma Mia...Probably only Abba could cheer me up at the moment!! LOL ;D) PS_All in all, what really bother me the most is the change of characters' "core", as to say...& of course, as you pointed out, Rob presented as the sux-villain didn't help at all!! Here's all told as BLACK & WHITE, it's a shame...Ciao PPS_Out of topic, if you've nostalgia of X-Files, I can suggest you to check out Fringe, just to cheer up a bit!
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Post by stregatta on Mar 10, 2010 16:03:37 GMT -5
I've just finished yesterday ep. (09.03.10) and I have to say that as I watched it I found myself saying OMG! OMG! several times, but not in a good way. I felt totally embarrassed, actually. I couldn't believe my eyes and my ears as I saw Christian touching, kissing, sweet-talking Becca the way he did. More than a totally clueless guy, he came across (to me) as...kinda knowing what he was doing. Those scenes looked very forced, very false. Like " it has to be this way in order to mislead Becca so she finally makes her move" . I don't know if I'm making sense, but the impression that I had was that the whole thing was made with zero subtlety Though on second thought, everything in this soap lacks subtlety lately (the acting, the stories, the dialogues)...I guess Verbotene Liebe became another trashy, vulgar soap opera (yup!) I want my guys back!! I want sensible Christian again! I want Olli scarf-less for once, I want the writers to stop portraying him as a gay-clown! I don't wanna see Becca close to the guys anymore, she doesn't belong to the Ollian world at all ( please give her to David)! I want Judith back! I want Olivia back! And where the f*ck is auntie Charlie? I'm 100% with you...All is going downhill, & the worst part is that it should have been the "revenge-moment", the climax of Chrolli's plot, instead we've been fooled again!! Ok, I know that storyline is not over yet, but I won't be so hopeful as in the past, after having seen the new VL-vogue...Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Mar 9, 2010 22:43:03 GMT -5
i have this idea and want everyones input there is a site where u can make a e card from a group of people, how about we make one for Nana, without her we wouldn't be able to understand chrolli. I can make it just let me know Hi there! your intention is noble indeed but...don't you think that VL itself shoul repay her for her efforts? Since that staff is the one directly rewarded by Chrolli's international fame?!
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Post by stregatta on Mar 9, 2010 22:30:08 GMT -5
Ok, I know that US-fans are used to this kind of paying for watching something dedicated, spin-off & so on (petition dedicated to, etc...), but I don't think here in EU it's exactly the same, it should be way more difficult to realize it (or however, as they've already done, in the end Chrolli will be made in America with that standard & another show tout-court!) I see it pretty hard...Besides, I think Nana's clips from YT are there for free (I've thought the same initially, if she had done all that work just for hobby...)
All in all, never say never! ;-P)
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Post by stregatta on Mar 9, 2010 21:24:21 GMT -5
Cara Lugia, you & the band are right to underline such a smart point: so the question is reduced to 2 issues: 1) why bother to drag this Becca-mess for 10 months without making with it nothing at all in the end?! 2) even against all odds, they want to put randomly together these fake"almost virtually relatives" Becca & Chris...To drop the bomb that will crash & burn poor Chrolli!! So, OMG perhaps the Mad Hatter is trying to write this creepy crazy plot or they're gone bananas?! LOL ;D) Honestly, it's obvious that being their show, they could do whatever they please with it, but, even if it can sound strange, at this point I want to believe to my feeling: as to say, like you said too Lugia, if they work "the German-fiction" way, they should follow, even if it looks so weird, the final aim of whichever storyline VL decided to pick up (for inst. GreLu alias the fairy tale couple, Chrolli the "gay" couple & so on...), then finally we'll see the Ollian happy end. I guess this, also because I imagine they write & choose scenes, without being so deep & serious, as the hard-core fans are here in the foum: for the same reason, they have liked & trusted Jasmin to have this "dazzling" storyline (which I pray every day will soon finish!!), perhaps there will be a closeness of some kind with Christian, but in the end, she's meant to David, for whom she's actually his "Forbidden Love"...Goodnight sleep tight ) (FORBIDDEN BECCA'S NIGHTMARE...LOL) PS_don't worry Chribecca? HAPPILY NEVER AFTER!!! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Mar 9, 2010 18:52:40 GMT -5
I don't know, I just feel manipulated all the time into thinking something. I want to make up my own mind, but for that we need more from Olli's POV, Rob's POV, etc. I'm tired of trying to fill in all the blanks.[/quote] Ciao chérie...At this point try to put an hand up who's left to be happy & satisfied with this plot?!? I guess...Nobody!! In any case, the true problem is the lacking of a real strong writing into it, it's useless to talk & seen into it too many things that probably simply are not there: today, in another show I've seen such a beautiful scene, a character without speaking a word, succeeded in steling the scene, the electricity of the moment was in the air, just as only great actors are able to do. Unfortunately, Jasmin is not a lucky girl in this sense...I've seen that love scene with David today: I was almost saying "Uuh, that's cutie, perhaps he'll melt also her icy-heart", instead...Nothing! There was that horrible camera-movement that ruined that scene, making appear her even worse (BTW, for sure I'd pick David's actor as a better 1 IMO ) Now I'm curious to see that next famous Chris+Becca what will bring up for real, apart from speculations...If even that nothing at all, I don't know if they're "stoned" while writing this Oscar-material! LOL! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 22:13:58 GMT -5
OMG...so it's a schizophrenic conspirancy now?! Ah-ah...I'm glad you're bringing to the table this (to my eyes) strange German authors' behaviour, 'cause I didn't dare to say it, I didn't want to judge something I'm not in...Probably somehow in a crazy way, they've the fear that it backfires on them, for ex. investing too much into Ollian, & then soon enough actors will fly away to other roles (perhaps not within the country, who knows?! ) Honestly I've no idea...I think a global market has always something, at least as a feedback, to offer back, repaying the initial effort. It could be that the're reacting as, following "the linear-thinking" that you like...The only problem now is to understand "what the hell they consider as LINEAR"'?! LOL... ;D Please, discover it in a little time, fans are waiting, sick & tired!! ^_^ PS_BACK OFF OLD GRANNIES!!! Tscuss
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 21:23:39 GMT -5
Hi dear Lugia!! (sorry my spelling of the name,LOL ;-P) I understand you also regarding Alias, I wasn't so X-files-fan, but 1 of my friends waited a lfetime for seeing them kissing...Crazy!! Besides it's always a very subtle feeling regarding these kind of things. like in theory I should have liked Lost (being a fan of Abrams) instead I didn't, I mean, I've appreciated the "philosophy-effort" behind the whole project, but didn't fell it by heart...
In VL case, I guess we're at an opposite side: we like our Ollian-teddy bears, but we're so fed up wth his crap of story...No aliens or other special mysteries here, too bad!! LOL ;-P)
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 21:07:02 GMT -5
thunderkat, round of applause for a wonderful defence-speech!! ^_^ Please note that of course everyone of us has got a different POV (due to personal life & country), I always & truly respect that, it's good that many different voices could speak & compare... It's simply that, as you said, I didn't get the shift back & forth of this actual direction...Not that I've absolutely nothing against bi, or whoever else (if not, I wouldn't even bother to watch also this series ;-P)...As you were saying, apart from Thore's interviews, assuming that now even walls know that Chroust had written/ created this storyline (God bless him! LOL ;D), why can't simply the new staff, having a final agreement about the Chrolli's fate?? I don't think it's extremely difficult...Or perhaps it is, bacause ( I didn't know about ratings) they want to move in a different direction for desperately gaing more audience?! What a pity indeed... PS_anyways, this was my personal sensation, not "the truth, the only real 1", I so hope to be wrong & that we could still have a good surprise instead (as in all those misleading spoilers!! ) Cheers*
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 20:49:06 GMT -5
Oops...You're right too, Mr Bunny ;-P) Honestly, I didn't mean to be harsh or else, really, is that I'm a little angry 'cause days go by & seems that this plot instead of getting better (as from everywhere they've promised us) is getting worse!! ;-8)
Besides, I'm not an avid fan of the genre, soI didn't know about the ratings etc, I care more about the catching storylines (everywhere, generally speaking...Fantasy & so on); anyway, now that you tell me this, I remember a friend telling me, back then (she was an expert of this genre! ;->) that this Chrolli's plot wasn't the best out there at all, suggesting to search for DeRo among the others I remember 'cause, I quote "if you like real drama..you've got it!"
Only now I've coming to term with the meaning of the advice... :-O)
Besides, even if (it's only my very personal feeling towards it) Chrolli aren't the most believed by gays (even if I never like to generalize),they probably are among straight people, of course especially women...I don't think it's a coincidence: it's because they're like a "teddy-bear", cute & reassuring, not vulgar, in short "the adorable-factor"!! LOL ;-*) (I guess for this reason Ollian are more "exportable" outisde Germany, easier to adapt to another market, for ex. US)
If you want more than wait forever a reasonable storyline, & you're not head-over-heels for actors Jo&Thore or an hardcore fan, perhaps it's better don't hope for a drastic change at this point...Ciao*
PS_I remember 1 of Thore's long interview for an Italian cable-tv, right after the boom of VL-story, & he always said that his character had become gay, that the production called him 1 day for telling about this new direction, & that he would have decided to accept it or not...Well, he had been the 1st to say yes, only in a 2nd time they contacted Jo, whom, knowing Thore would have been a good partner (& strong of having matured in other roles too) agreed with it.
I have to say 1 thing especially struck my attention: in this entire dialogue (which lasted almost 1 hour! Connected with fans all over the world) & a tv-host, he NEVER adressed a compliment or else regarding working with Jo...It almost looked like he was the 1 to do all the job, nothing about the chemestry that gave them so much, strange isn't it?! Even in 1 scene, when the man showed him the famous hospital-scene, of him worried for Olli's fate, he let slipped away the fact that, being in the audience, he wouldn't have "bought" it, referring to his acting...PRICELESS!! LOL ;-D)
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 19:18:36 GMT -5
SF...K-U-D-O-S TO ALL YOU'VE WRITTEN!! Picture perfect... It's not exactly that we want to go down on streets with a flag, because these kind of stories are a matter of life or death, Heaven's forbid, I know it! (Or that I want to be "the suffragette" of the situation... )...But simply that, especially 'cause they mean so much for many people it's a real pity to waste an ocasion of displaying a good vibe to even more fans, etc... For whichever reason they've become notorious, right or wrong at this stage it doesn't really matter, anyways these persons have "faith" in these very characters/ actors: this is the most important thing, an"inspiration", isn't it? So, if the whole thing has bothered me, I guess others would be even more upset...I don't get what's the meaning & the point of this new trend... You're right telling that if this is a show that isn't, for instance, as "Queer as folks" (I hope the title is right,'cause actually I didn't watch it), you'll have as a result lots of hetero couples to mix & play with, but few chances vice-versa, for the usually only gay-couple...Yes,of course it's true, but, if you're a little creative (& our great fans-fiction here prove it! ), I believe you can do nevertheless a good job at the end of a day. There could be some good options to choose the right path, or, as they're trying to do this days, they could even bring more gay-characters like Rob, as guest-stars, to be fair & true to the rest (PS_it's not a problem to be bi, of course! But it's like I have sensed they didn' really mean "bi", better "straight again"... ). Especially for these kind of matters (obviously as others too...But since now we're talking about this specific one), if I were the writer I would be extra-careful & first of all, RESPECTFUL. If not I mean...WHY EVEN DOING IT AT ALL?! If you're fooling people & then in the end you change the characters/plot upside down, it's not a "Forbidden Love"...Perhaps a "Forbidden Rubbish"?!? LOL ;D Besides, really it's a nasty plot, apart from the sexual-thing & all...Writing these lines I was recalling the strange treatment authors used for the interesting character of Olivia: even in that case, why a sudden weird exit for the actress like that 1?! & furthermore, do you feel it's normal that NOBODY ever cared about her to make a simple phone-call?! OMG ...Just a little example of a silly storyline, generally speaking. Thanks for replying & ciao
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Post by stregatta on Mar 8, 2010 17:37:27 GMT -5
Hi, I've tried to be patient, & I don't want to seem rude, but...What a disappointment have been these last eps & this last Thore's interview too (besides: it's only my impression, or is Thore more asked than Jo?!) If I were gay I would have been even sadder about it...I mean, I don't know, perhaps the tone of the chat, due to the translation, could have been slightly different, more "playful"the original, but it doesn't excuse the core of the speech...It sounded like a "betrayal" (all the usual stereotypes too...A sort of "Girls don't worry, he's so macho that he could play to be also the gay..But in the end you know that he'll come back to you!". That fan here, who told that when there are straight stories, nobody ask you if you'll turn eventually gay, it's totally true IMO! It sounded like an offence). Even worse if we think how much this couple has been blessed with succeess, popolarity & economic-outcome for the show & especially for these 2 actors...Have respect at least for this! Let me only say that this wasn't so predictable, because the plot to be critical isn't at all a new 1, I guess this "bang" Chrolli had have, is firstly linked to their undeniable on-screen chemestry (also due to their beauty, let's admit it...Sensual-glamorous indulgent scenes included...If ugly, I bet people,WITHOUT A PLOT, would have been tired of them in a flash), their good acting skills (but not excellent, especially later from Thore's side, in my humble opinion) & the ùber-romantic, almost unreal pairing, that writers wanted them to portray (probably, Germany-setting instead of the usual American 1, helped a little for it too ). To play the devil's advocate, writers have put no real drama in it, as instead for any of the previous gay-couples on tv: as to make the majority of people (new to this "genre/ vogue") dreaming upon them...In short, to make Chrolli an inspiring ICON. & it's perfectly fine this way, it helped to give away the idea of an accepted reassuring couple (even if this almost killed off all the action & the enthusiasm...But no matter what, probably for selling it to the largest audience possible, they even create the nice vlog... Pretty panders, but it worked & it paid off in the end, it's a fact). _So, now why the hell to want throwing away everything, for coming back to the start, with supposed-Chrolli bisexuals (I didn't even know it?!Apparently they've shown on-screen Olli gay & Chris discovered to be gay... So they cheated on us?? Too bad & silly! ), as other fans already said in this forum...just to play with people's sensitivity?!? It's not a matter of how many people of different sex you sleep with or the environment I guess, but simply a very personal tendency you're born with. Then I found it even more hypocrite than other shows do, keeping also a chaste gay-couple among traditional ones, to be able to say afterwards to be modern & open-minded. I don't side for neither Jo nor Thore, so please don't get upset with me: it's only that, once more, I had the impression that since Thore is & "looks like" straight indeed, is "cuddled" from medias & women alike, more than if he would have been different (look to what has happened to other great actors insted)... When T. has had the chance to speak up, he always said how "difficult" has been to kiss someone with stubble & stupid things like that...Probably he's tired , now he feels himself "boxed" wthin this role (& perhaps he's also more confident in fans' affection/ support regardless the rest, compared to before...). I mean, ok man, but please, are you or aren't you an actor? (Shouldn't you be able to act in whichever role? Or are you an "hero"just to have been undresseded & kissed a guy?! I don't think when the Dexter's actor is interviewed, someone had to ask him if he's a psycho in real life...Come on! (Let's read again what poor Heath Ledger told about this question...RIP ) Furthermore, why bother to join the NYC-event, if the production really thinks to them as BI ?! I'm a little lost... All in all, if VL or other shows want to embrace this kind of plot it's fine, if not, it's the same, we'll survive...But please, DON'T FOOL US! ! Besides, since Robert isn't a big deal (under-utilized) for the current plot, I don't even care anymore if they want to make Rebecca the new star of VL: because if this will be the new Chrolli-era...I simply don't feel the urge to watch anymore (I guess others too)...I'd come back to see just the final happy-end. Sorry, but the whole of it put me in a bad moon; I would have been more pleased to see a beautiful story, than having to discuss the faults with fans...Ciao PS_@Luigia, regarding the last eps & Becca, you quoted as a bad example ALIAS-season3: of course I respect your opinion, but I disagree...In the sense that I've found that sudden breathless shift from the end of s-2 to the beginning of s-3 as a real "coup de théàtre"! Besides that English actress had been good & mysterious enough to keep alive the tension & the suspense for the course of that year, you really didn't know what Mr J.J.Abrams had in store...Unfortunately for us, in VL it's an all different story!! ;D Bye*
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Post by stregatta on Mar 7, 2010 15:47:19 GMT -5
PS_Ciao bella...I was reading this thread (even if, by now, I know Nuke just for being popular in this series) because I've seen a little bit of the Soaps-Awards by chance, & there was the actor who plays Luke mentioned... Besides, thanks for the article, I've recognized Italian actor Paolo Seganti!! What a surprise ...Here he has been known for fantasy series on tv (Fantaghirò; Desideria e l'anello del drago/ Desideria & the dragon's ring) or historical ones (I don't remember now, but I guess something from the Bible's stories) he's good. BTW It's a pity that ATWT is almost finished... Bye*
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Post by stregatta on Mar 2, 2010 21:51:47 GMT -5
OMG...don't you see that you react to the plot as if you were "the boyfriends" of Chrolli?! I mean, & even if (Heaven Forbid!! witch Rebecca, drunk or whatever (promiscuous, as Americans would say) would try to kiss Chris, &/or Rob make love to Olli, what's the big deal?! that's not the end of the world...Furthermore, as other fans have said, writers are used to wrap up, even the biggest issues, within 4 eps!! & @mona, obviously enough soap-rules are quite clear: married happy couples are BORING (only in series they stay more or less that way, for giving more development to other connected plots, as sons, or whatever else), so they're interesting only in the building of their path towards the (usually)happy-end. Please be more relaxed everyone, Chrolli is the most sweet & calm (for my standard) couple I've ever seen (straight/ gay)...So sit back & simply enjoy it! You'll see that it's nothing to worry about in the long-term of it....It's simply that they've to throw into VL something to go on with a sort of plot, isn't it?? They can't be yet peacefully happy ever after! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Feb 28, 2010 19:47:04 GMT -5
Muchas gracias a todos por compartir con nosotros esta telenovela! ^_^
Really a good drama, all the best for the actors' new projects....Adiòs y ciao***
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Post by stregatta on Feb 28, 2010 17:57:32 GMT -5
LOL...totally with you!!! ^_^ PS_about the supposed grey hair of Jo, I think it was simply the lightining! (also on his jacket/sweater..I don't remember now)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 28, 2010 17:54:15 GMT -5
I don't agree...I'm under the impression that most of you're afraid of losing Chrolli, IMO it's simply the plot that is going on...To the usual happy-end!! & obviously, writers are slightly (but really REALLY just a bit!!) playing with Ollian's fans (+other couples too), but nothing more: I will add that I don't even believe they want to break them. Ok, we'll wait & see who's right...Anyways, the plot has to move on, they can't stay stick to those early beloved steps of the plot xever, can they??!! Cheers* PS_I mean, even if I were an "evil" straight writer, who basically wants to kill off Chrolli on purpose, no matter how much they're loved everywhere (does it make sense at all anyways?! ), the easiest way would be make them leave the show, as soon as possible, through a wedding...Everybody will be happy with it, & it could be the classic romantic ending... On the contrary instead, I think they want to drag them as long as actors are available, even if they "hate them", or would have preferred to move on with others, bacause they simply are a "treasure" granted for them, thanks to their audience & popolarity, which means money... Furthermore, even if blind, as you claim them to be, more or less, now they also have US' interest towards this "Chrolli'-little thing"...So why give it up like that??!!
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Post by stregatta on Feb 27, 2010 20:43:43 GMT -5
Hallo @mona...I bet that the infamous kiss won't bring such an apocalypse...Not 'cause it couldn't, but better because the writers use so little of this explosive potential that they have in their hands (so you can relax! ;-D)...It's a little like in those cartoons, where you know the villains are so far smarter in their evil plan...But anyways finally they won't succeded, no matter how good they play their game, at least it's my POV.
Besides, why I've still the impression that the majority of fans here, seem to be so pessimistic about Chrolli's future?! If you really all believe in their love...It doesn't make sense?! ;-(
However, I've also heard many times the wish of seeing Chrolli to be married soon... I've thought "twice"about it, then imaging for a moment how the story could have changed, if they would have already done that step ('cause the show must go on anyhow...):
1) Usual problems of the after-honeymoon/ back in real life + all the other possible issues of being gays & married...
2) Temptations for the couple/ possible lovers for 1 or both of them...
3) A son to be adopted/ or a child from an ex-lover, as a threat to Chrolli...
However, I guess it's better the way VL goes now (if only we could have a better writing too! ;-8), for the "tension" of the story I mean, I still think that the wedding will be a perfect fulfilment around the finale of Chrolli's journey: "the cherry on top of the cake"... -Furthermore, it's not just that, it's also a more "romantic" view of this couple IMO: since they're famous not mainly for their being outrageous or for the twists & turns of their storyline, but essentially for their, I dare to say, "examplary understanding" & chemestry together, which makes the hearts melt... ;-))
PS_OMG I don't know why, but watching Rebecca lately, has suddendly made me remember of the actress of "Queen of Swords" series...But she was better! ;-P) I guess that all this importance gave in the past towards her, could be for making her in the future, a real big protagonist of VL (unfortunately for us); but I don't think it's for destroying Chrolli at all, rather to be seen in perspective... Probably when the boys will be no more in the show, they will have already set a place for this "heroine" to grow stronger...So, don't worry, she won't damage our plot badly, but I bet she's in for something else, an extra, but for that time...We won't care anymore! Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Feb 27, 2010 19:12:58 GMT -5
shamelessfan, I agree with you & with softfurbear's photos...Perfect look, but I don't know about their acting skills! ;-P) (edited) ( PS_Ciao mitsaso, ti risponderò presto, ora non ho tempo, buon fine settimana! ^_^ )
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Post by stregatta on Feb 23, 2010 22:19:00 GMT -5
I don't know for sure, but it could be like you say...Besides, also for my country's soaps, more than 1 fan has noticed that sometimes the magazines write 1 thing & afterwards it happens a scene is cut off at the very last moment (or just it's not shown on-screen at all), or even they made mistakes on the actors' names, making a big confusion! ;-P)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 23, 2010 21:34:07 GMT -5
Well done Joanna! ;-P) Sure, I know you all didn't mean to leave Chrolli's boat alone in dangerous waters for nothing in the world!! It's simply they've read yous all so nervous about those spoilers & co. . I know, I trust more my personal feeling that what the writers want us to know...But that's the point, most of the times these are not true in many ways....It's like in those psyochological pictures, where you can find at a first glance 1 thing, on a second 1, totally another opposite thing! They're playing with this concept, knowing people is so closed to them: if you look the whole idea from a slightly more detached POV probably it's nothing so drammatic, after all!! ^_^ All in all, even IF...Something a bit worrying would happen in the end, with Becca, Rob & co., it's average matter of soaps, kudos for Jo&Thore to have succeed in making the fans SO KEEN on their couple, it's ncredible+touching!! Cheers***
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Post by stregatta on Feb 23, 2010 21:13:24 GMT -5
The best part of the telling of Rob's story so far is the way every scene, with the exception of that strangely flat one Kes so rightly complains of, has Rob present only when Olli is there. He really is only shown in relation to the way he wants to present himself to Olli and the way Olli wants to see him. It's the exact equivalent of telling a novel from the viewpoint of one person, except that it is only the scenes with Rob that are only from Olli's viewpoint. Jane Austen does something very similar to this in Emma except in a much more sustained way, which allows her to maintain a big secret about the story for a few hundred pages while dropping dozens of clues about it. Everything about Frank is from Emma's perspective, except for one odd paragraph which, exceptionally as here, ventures out of Emma's mind into Mr Knightley's and risks giving the big secret away. Like Kes and others, I just want Rob to be an interesting character. If he turns out to be a pure schemer, then let him have some of the psychological penetration and tactical verve of Iago. If he is more than a schemer, a seemingly flat scene like the one discussed could pick up interest in retrospect. And later, whether or not Olli responds to the erotic charge, let SOMEBODY in the story give Rob a change to develop that! Hey Cant...I TOTALLY agree wih your POV: I've thought about that too, a sort of Jago-character, or to Austen's heroes & Bronte's ones...But I also think you're too educated for these new writers. So, better to be prepared to see the "worst"...Still hoping for the best, (obviously!)!! Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Feb 23, 2010 19:57:39 GMT -5
joanna...It's really entertaining what you've well written, but I simply don't believe that these writers have thought on purpose like that for this whole long period at all... Because they are neither so "deep" nor so "ambiguous"...IMO that's it: they simply wanted to throw a pebble in the pond to move the water...But not too much, attention!! ;D If you don't believe me, believe the vlog: it wouldn't exist at all, if they doubt about this couple's success (neither the official meeting, like the US 1) isn't it?! & David-cutie boy?? What's his role, if not to make Becca discovering the REAL love?!! Plus, why even bother to constantly remark about how much Chrolli love each other?!! You all have been so angry before, for not having a plot...& now, what's happening? At the 1st obstacle do you want to let Chrolli down like that?! I really don't understand! (or probably I'm used to other kind of shows, 'cause I take this as a quiet 1! ) I'm sure nothing bad will happen, you'll see...But if I'm right, you owe me a virtual PIZZA!! Cheer up, pliiiz ***^_^
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Post by stregatta on Feb 23, 2010 18:59:11 GMT -5
a short or long break up it doedsnt matter because It would kill me to no end! I wont know what to do!!! Why cant the boys just keep to themselves and each other!!! Because when they keep to themselves they are boring. They had like no storyline for a year now. I want something to spice up these guys up so they can be my fave couple again. No drama equals dullness. I want drama, and I like bad guy Rob, he's hot as well. Same here sweetie ...But there're other fans that don't think like us. Look to what buzz even a simple Becca has caused around the forum?! Actually I'm happy to see them finally with something to do, & to fight for...If not, it seems a fairytale, not a real modern tale Cheers*
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