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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 21:04:22 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the fact that the show is finally focusing on Olli's dream and is letting him pursue it. Jo is fantastic right now, plus I still like Max Engelke and his acting, but that last scene with Christian and Olli fighting about Rob again while Rob himself met this dealer guy and they were all "Duh, we're gonna sell coke on a grand scale at No Limits" – well, that was a bit of an anticlimax. Brought back my fear that it'll be only a matter of time until Christian will be allowed to turn 'Rambo' again and save his 'damsel in distress' Olli from Robert. But maybe there's going to be additional twist to it after all. I agree more with Kes here...Like you I'm glad that finally the attention is for Olli again, but I've the impression that he's for telling us "Beware! Olli is too ambitious, he'll be punished sooner or later_kind of thing!!" I bet that Chris will be the Rambo-hero, as you said... MAMMA MIA it's a scandal writers are throwing away such a potential story...Perhaps really we're too good fans for them after all?! PS_I agree with LUIGIA & Mona's thoughts too about these eps. Anyways, for enjoying at his best VL, I've to put aside my wish for sparkling-writing & deep plots, 'cause almost everything seems to float on the surface. (Sorry for letting myself be disappointed today ) Ciao (I still think Chrolli are the endgame, I'm SUX sure...There's even the US remake in store!!)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 20:31:33 GMT -5
Oh gosh, this is a real boom-news, who knew?! Thanks!!
Anyways, from my experience, the originals are always better...Besides, it's impossible recreate the chemestry with other actors: it will be however a different story (like UglyBetty comapred to Spanish counterpart)...
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 20:26:59 GMT -5
OMG Kes you're so right...I've just finished to watched the scenes+the vlog...IT'S SUCH A PITY!!! These authors are really so stupid to water down a potential deep intense storyline like that...
Besides, I'm totally with you here: more than ever, they want to be sure to paint "black & white", very clear, all the situations, as I said before, again like a children fable: so Rob=the sux villain, Chris=the hero & Olli=the fool...I mean, Jeez, neither sux-heroes films are like this nowadays (x inst. see IRONMAN, HULK...even Anakin-Darth Vader from StarWars!! ;-P) why they're always so concerned to:
1) always making up Chrolli almost every ep., 'cause they fear to show them really separate after a belieavable big quarrel/fight; 2) throwing away such a good actor like Max, without showing all the fascinating sides of his character (for ex. I was thinking to actors like brilliant John Malkovich, in roles of bad-ones! The public just loved them...)
All in all, let's pray that at least they let Rob falls for Olli, so to keep things interesting...But I've a feeling the won't be "so smart"! WHAT A PITY...I'm sobbing! :'-(
Why, just WHY the hell they love to put up bidimensional characters?!? Perhaps 'cause they think that, doing so, they will bring more audience to their show?? Really I don't get it...
Ciao bella & fingers crossed everyone!!! :-O)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 20:08:01 GMT -5
Hi Natalie!! For sure I know well what you mean...In the past I had had some girl-friends telling me how beautiful were Japanease mangas/animes with gays' stories in them (for girls/gays), I'm an open-minded person, so they told me/showed me about this thing, anyways, I remember thinking that it still seemed to me a little weird...
Then came along BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN-phenomenon & I'd been very moved by it, & after years...CHROLLI! & I was so hooked myself too!! ^_^
Like you, for a kind of mistake, I was a fan of 2 actors of another soap on the German tv, & matching this thing with the song FORBIDDEN LOVE by Madonna...Like you said, on YouTube (VL staff should pay YT for this present!!;-D) popped up these handsome boys, I was curious & you know...CURIOSITY KILLS THE CAT!! LOL ;-P)
So now I can perfectly understand that romantic love is true in every nuances of it, & I'm enjoying "the discovery" chatting with all you fan-friends...
SO, YOU'RE VERY WELCOME 2!! CIAO & BACI***
PS_Party at No-Limit?! Prosit!! *_*
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 21:32:27 GMT -5
Thanks so much for the link dear Kes...I've loved seeing him in different roles , he's really good & in different genres, always believable+he's also got that extra German-sexyness wich isn't bad at all to watch...An hot eye-candy too ...CHROLLI WATCH OUT!! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 20:37:01 GMT -5
Sorry for not-Italian-speakers, this is the reply to Valso's peronal question (about kisses*)! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Scusa ritardo-risposta, é 1pò che non mi collego e non ricordo+ dov'era il tuo vecchio link)
Comunque beh, casomai che cosa intendi tu, scusa?! Io semplicemente quello che ho detto: ho risposto al fan francese e all'americano, che osservavano che ci potevano essere sensibilità diverse, a seconda dei paesi e in base alla loro esperienza personale: sud e nord, etc...
Forse ci siamo capiti male: non volevo ricadere in stereotipi vari (anche perché vengo da 1 famiglia mista); intendevo solo dire che mi risulta che da noi ci si saluti ancora con il solito bacio x guancia tra amici e parenti, Nord compreso (che pure da noi é considerato+riservato e-espansivo nei rapporti sociali), non importa se uomo o donna, o no?! (In Francia 3 addirittura!) ...Non so se magari tu saluti invece battendo il 5 o strofinando nasi in stile-eschimese?? Scherzo!! ;-D)
_Tornando a VL, secondo me invece non volevano sottolineare che sto Rob, venendo dal "meridione tedesco", era+caloroso con Olli (era solo1coincidenza), ma semplicemente che essendo 1tipo sfacciato, ci voleva proprio provare (infatti gli "zomperà addosso" a breve mi risulta)!! Ciao*
PS_Scusa ma ovvio che mi veniva da ridere a risponderti in inglese, a presto... ;-P)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 20:33:30 GMT -5
I'm not happy about the new spoilers at all. So they are happy again - and? That's it? No use of the potential of the story Rob/Olli? Maybe Rob is over, maybe Rob will get crazy... that's both not really interessting to me. So, yeah, let Olli and Christian marry and let them say bye bye. It's just so boring. I understand exactly what you mean!! I thought the same before, I was bored & angrier 'cause the authors used to write superficial plots (if you're even lucky to have 1)...I prefer to watch intense stories, even short, with "the happy end"anticipated, than dragging them forever long... However now, thinking it twice, & knowing better VL, I imagine that this is simply the way their stories go: probably they get the best out of longer linear plots, they want the audience enjoying the little moments, get affectionate to the characters, etc...If you want "fireworks" & 1surprise after another, it's simply better to change show. Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 20:20:22 GMT -5
And still we are on the (almost) lowest rank of countries where inhabitants are unhappy in their country I don't get that As for german speaking English at the time I was in Berlin that was very frequent. Decades before French was "in". It's crazy the number of German words that come from French Sylvain I'm not sure about that first part, but I know that most of the people I know here in the U.S. are not so much unhappy IN this country, as they are unhappy WITH this country right now. Especially those of us on the left politically. On the second point, I hope someday to get there and experience it for myself. But the German lessons I am currently taking repeatedly make the point that English is a Germanic Language, Saxony is in Germany, and many English (Anglo-Saxon) words are derived from German. The one course even talked about the specific strings of consonants that shifted and how as the languages grew apart. And even how the grammar changed. I'm even beginning to understand the tenses, but I doubt I'll ever understand moving all but one verb to the end of the sentence or clause. ;D LOL I had to study it as well...But remember that the final phonetic of English language has been deeply influenced by French invasion UK had had, back in the days It's huge the number of words & the importance it has on the previous English (at a point that 1of my professors told me it was better for me knowing French to understand the change from Old Eng. to Modern 1 )...Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 19:51:05 GMT -5
Hi everybody, I'm new in the forum and like you I'm a fan of Chrolli I discovered them in January and since it I've watched their story more than four times I'm from Belgium so I'd like to say that I'm sorry if my English is sometimes bad. I can't believe in what I'm reading !!! How do you dare to say that's Chrolli's end ? IMO, both of them ARE the VL's couple: through them I can see love, admiration, complicity,... I hope that I'm not the only one who think that. To be honest, I think that part of the VL's success is thank to Chrolli's story, isn't it ? So, the writers know that seperating them definitely they'll lose a lot of fans. If Chribecca is the next couple, I'm pretty sure that a lot of people will stop watching the show. She will probably be a shoulder to cry on for Christian but nothing more. Moreover, in my view, drama can be the best way to make their relationship stronger and stronger... and it's obvious that the end will be happy. I also think that a wedding it's possible, don't you ? It can also be good for them to leave for a honeymoon in order to re-find them again, as a new start. This story with Reb and Rob can merely be a stratagem to make us think that the Chrolli's end is around the corner. After fights, separation, third persons...they'll realize that they're truly in love with each other and that LOVE can pass all the obstacles (even Olli's ambition, which is not too bad. Christian should understand that Olli wants his place to become famous) such as Rob. He is a bad boy and when Olli'll realize it, he'll certainly be ashamed of what he did. As in real life, couples have to fight against things in order to realize what they really want. I know that we'll suffer a lot for them but the end HAS TO BE happy, they can't break up... I'm sure that Olli will realize that he made a lot of mistakes. Finally, IMO, drama can be good because we will see Christian's feelings. What I mean is that we've always seen Olli's feelings while Christian has been more discete ! Through Rob and Ollli's story, Christian might realize what he really feels and what he wants...Olli. CHROLLI IS THE END GAME. BIENVENU nouveau ami, chez "SoapLand"! (Je suis désolé mais parle seulment un petit peau francais... De toute facon, j'adore Chrolli moi-aussi, bien sur...Et comme toi, j'aime les histoires de "amour fou et maudit" ! ) Congratulations for having watched such a long story in so little time...You're already a sux-fan!! (I discovered them by chance last summer, anyyways, you're quite a lucky guy, 'cause you've chosen the perfect time to fall in love with them...At long last, the new Chrolli's plot is NOW finally here, thank-you-God, I'm blissfully happy!! ;D) About the rest, I agree with your theory (I guess others more or less too), I like to follow a plot with struggles, surprises, ups & downs, before the obvious happy-end (it's funny than lots of fans here, are still worried about "CHROLLI to be THE END-GAME!"...Of course they are, since this isn't a tragedy, as "Romeo & Juliet", so what?! )... Like you, I'm not keen on the dull linear storylines at all ! Anyways, if sometimes we're discussing issues/ suggestions for VL, it's only for giving our own indirect advice to their staff, or for comparing/ sharing personal views & desires for the soap's future... I must confess that still amaze me how much this couple has struck fans' hearts...All so passionate regarding their fate (they're the best, 'cause it doesn't happen every day x fictional characters): sometimes it seems that they could almost turn out to be real, isn't it?! ) Salut, Ciao a presto!
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 19:37:10 GMT -5
Oh gosh....If even polite Kes gets angry of VL nowadays, I had to begin worrying very much!! ;-D)
Besides, I guess you, Mona & co. are "upset" 'cause the plot isn't exacly how you had imagined it to be...Furthermore it's been such a long wait that it was almost sure we would have seen some kind of disappointment, because people behind VL is always THAT staff we've so much talked against, etc...
That said, I stay stick to my old opinion: the problem generally lies in VL-soap as a whole, the approach to it: then you could also add that sometimes it could get worse for actors acting with a bad moon, or unispired dialogues, but the main issue remains the soap that basically is a sort of comedy (alias the vlog).
The pressure on Chrolli's fame I guess it's not always healthy to certain writers to take the best out of this kind of storyline, anyhow it's better than nothing to have at long last something to enjoy...I've always said the best of you guys, 'cause honestly I couldn't have stayed stick to this story for so long (in their gap-year I mean)...
However it's a pity 'cause I still think that a little effort put into the same plot, would have made a perfect Chrolli's storyline...I mean, simply more accurate banters (as it was in SEX & THE CITY, or other Brit shows too, etc...) & editing+pace.
I'm a fan of Rob too, but I'm calm about the future of the couple, I even think the infamous kiss with Olli will be a stolen 1, so nothing really menacing for Chris; instead it's incredible+crazy, but I feel more the tension between poor David & pixie-witch Becca, as a Verbotene Liebe...I know, it's madness, bu you get what I mean, uh?! ;-P) Tschuss*
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 18:25:43 GMT -5
Kes - I do think Max can act, but I don't think they've written him a very interesting character so far. Yes, he's hot and deliciously evil, but I was hoping for a little more substance. It seems that at any moment, he could pull an Eduard and start talking to himself, saying something like: "Olli will be mine! Mooohaha!" Speaking of Eduard, someone should make a fanvid of all the times he's escaped. You'd need to use a long song, as there are probably lots of clips. 'Freebird' perhaps? At least Chrolli have a storyline ATM; even if it's not the one I would choose. Unfortunately, I agree with you. Those first two days looked promising -- I suppose the dialogue was particularly witty, with its Americanisms. However, the last episode really didn't seem subtle at all, and was (really) so over-the-top, overdone and trite that (as Lola notes) no actor could make it work. Max does it better than anyone. Its too bad because I was really looking forward to something interesting happening on the show, and some good writing. (For more on my feelings regarding Rob and Thursday's episode, see the Bitterness thread.) Ciao Kes & all the merry brigade...Oops,or perhaps it's turned out to be "THE BITTERSWEET THREAD" at this point?! ;D I agree with all you have said before, I love Max too, but I'm still hoping in a more well-defined character, as a sort of Shakespearean-Jago, to give an idea...To give the final judgement of course I'd to wait & see how exactly develops this plot: I've still hope in the storyline to stay on the right track & takes some extra-power to entertain us at the best!! PS_Anyways, it's always VL, we've to be patient, ya'know...(sometimes I've the feeling that writers fear to frigthen Chrolli's sux fans, breaking the couple, so they prefer to stick to the "honeymoon-parade" than to face an honest more realistic story )
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Post by stregatta on Feb 14, 2010 18:04:10 GMT -5
Uhm...Why am I finding the Rolli kissy pic kind of hot? :/ I am still a Chrolli'er foreverrrrr - no worries. Mmhh...Perhaps 'cause these days especially Thore seems so distant (body language) from Jo?! Don't get me wrong, but I've had the same kind of feeling that other fans were talking about in the vlog's commentary...Anyways the story is quite good at the moment, so I hope that nothing bad outside the show has happened, it would be a real pity...Perhaps the actors are simply a little tired, but it's a phase... PS_For instance, my bros watched an episode of this past week by chance (I've shown him a bit for language-purposes only): he didn't have an idea it's a show with gays' stories too, anyways he was surprised by the kiss & so (the picnic scene), because he hadn't noticed that they were a couple?! Just then he asked me 'cause he was a little confused... However it was simply to say that back in the days there would have been no need to use words to explain the amazing chemestry: I remember to have been taken off-guard (I didn't know the show, etc) & suddendly hooked... Probably being in the authors' shoes, I would have create a shorter plot with more substance & not the vlog's comedy-attitude that steals drama to the story...Nevertheless I've to respect a different approach to fiction, of course I do & continue to support it. Cheers
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 23:52:05 GMT -5
I think he is also surprised. The way Rob hugs Olli reminds the way southern people act as opposed to northern people. In communication we talk about human sphere which is bigger for northern people, so these people are less used to hugs, to kisses on the cheek, like French people do all the time for instance compared to German ones. (that reminds me of an old epsode of the Nanny with Philippe ;D je t'adore as shut the door ;D ;D ;D) The way rob did it is so unusual for Olli and he was really surprised Sylvain Exactly the same here in Italy...Anyways 2 little kisses are welcome in the North too, if you're friendly with a person, no matter if male/female (we're not cold anyways! ) tschuss
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 20:28:15 GMT -5
that he is attracted to him because he finds in robert his mentor. I think it's not even a sexual thing, I think he just desperate because he can't find this interest in Christian I agree that Olli has replaced his fanboy behavior for Luise with that for Rob. And I see a parallel to Olli being sweet to Rebecca, when she was broke, and she appreciated it so much, that she got carried away with her emotions and kissed him. Olli is living in a "better world" when he's partying with Rob, but it doesn't have to be rooted in reality. On the other hand, by this time Rob has expressed a real interest in Olli (no doubt flattering him), but this makes it into a really explosive situation and could easily lead to sex. What bothers me is that this storyline is almost never told from Rob's POV. Like today, why did he suddenly call Olli back and make him a new offer? With Jens, he was as integral as Lydia and Sebastian themselves. Rob just seems a convenient plot device every other week. We know really little about him, so all physical interaction will be meaningless in the end and he will disappear from the city. I think he will actually drop Olli quickly. Rob tires of things really quickly and is quick to cut his losses and look for the next big kick. Staying too long is also too risky for his drug business. Maybe he just wanted to get Olli into bed from the start. You're so right to say that these authors don't care to show,most of the time, the characters' POV...I guess it's simply VL: we've to have faith of seeing "the light at the end of the tunnel"...But perhaps not before it?! ....Rob's not an exception to it: but I don't think it's the actor's fault. Bye
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 20:02:23 GMT -5
I love Ollis "aren't you happy for me?". I think that's finally about their feelings and so on. It does seem like Christian has a part in this too, pushing Olli in that direction. He says clearly that Rob was the one who "wanted" Olli, so why being angry at Olli who didn't do anything? Perhaps for jealousy?? In the sense that he's so obsessed for his boyfriend that he doesn't succeed in being objective (even before, a remember with that man-gourmet critic, last year)... Besides, I'm happy that, for once, also Chris had to join the back of the queue, as to speak, for Olli...Not always the reverse thing! Regarding Becca, Olli shouldn't be jealous, since Chris is supposed to be gay now (even if writers said, back in the days, that "never say never",'cause it's a soap, I know,but...I see it that way) Tschuss
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 19:24:24 GMT -5
Chrolliforever7 and Stregatta, thank you so much for your kind words. Danke, grazie, obrigado! Olà Davian...mui obrigado a tu para seu impressoes! Sorry but I know just few Portugues words (but I speak Spanish if you do...) Besides, I'm liking these eps, jealous Chris, witch Becca turned into the pretty good pixie, I'm exciting after a long period, to see what's in store for us, YEAH!! PS_I've adored the face of Justus saying "ELECTRO WAS?!?!" ;D PRICELESS!!! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 19:00:27 GMT -5
Thanks for the great posts everyone! Streggatta: I think that Rob was thrown in hastily, too. I fear for him as a character. Look what they did to Hubertus Regout. Damned, did they screw that up. They have a great actor, and they give -- well, I've complained too often. Suffice it to say, they could have done more. Much more. And now they are getting rid of him, Mascha and Andreas -- three of the best they have. (Mascha and Andreas might be leaving of their own volition -- but so did Olivia, out of sheer frustration.) Anyway, I've been Ms. Don't criticize the writers all week, and look at me now! Mia, forgive me!!!! Flo, don't go!! Oy, but I hope Rob's charms (or Max's) rub off on the writers. He is a bit Ansgar like, nu? And he is a supposed favorite. Oh, on another note: I like Lydia/Ansgar. That is great. Thanks nice Kes, for sharing with me these thoughts...I see your points & agree ( I like your attitude"Let's count till 10 before saying anything I could regret sooner or later! ;D). Unfortunately, I didn't see the story with Hubertus, but I guess I've understood your POV...I don't know, perhaps it's simply the way VL-authors manage to consider the plots as a whole: they've a certain idea, but for the details/the development of characters, they prefer to wait to see the reactions of wievers+the actors' contracts perhaps, etc...Nothing like US-kinda of plot, already decided in details before the airing, then if something goes the wrong way, they simply axe the series... I don't mean by telling this, that they don't have a clear plan in mind (the contrary, regarding German soaps, I know well! ): but better, that I've the impression they have a slow development of storylines. Anyways, I'm with you on hoping for a smart use of the most gifted actors they have (fingers crossed not everything will revolve around Becca's wonderland... ...Even if I prefer her now than before, especially since boy-David came along!! ) PS_LONG LIVE ROB ...& (OBVIOUSLY ENOUGH!) CHROLLI!!! ;D Ciao bella***
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Post by stregatta on Feb 5, 2010 18:04:54 GMT -5
I love tomorrow's spoiler. Oh well, we'll have to agree to disagree, but I have been waiting for REAL DRAMA for so long. I don't want to watch smurfs. And Rob is hot. So bring on the drama!!! I can't wait!!! Once again Kes, I agree with on this as well. I guess me and you are the only ones that like Robert, I guess. Hi there! & don't worry, you're not the only 1 (with good Kes ) to like new Rob...I imagine it's just that people is a little afraid of how much he could ruin Chrolli's relationship... Besides, today no vlog?! ciao***
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Post by stregatta on Feb 4, 2010 17:42:34 GMT -5
I'm really excited about the new spoilers. I'm on the positive side, I believe Chrolli will be together in the end. But in the meanwhile, I want to see them acting as real human beings, doing mistakes, "surrendering" to temptation, fighting, shouting, crying... I was once acused (here on the boards) of just seeing the dark side of life and of wanting Ollian to be constant drama. Of course, I love it when they're happy and cute but I want to see Jo and Thore acting, being challenged, taking pleasure in what they do and giving us those moments we love. Someone said that the best part of Ollian story was the beggining; I think this SL will lead Ollian into a new beggining. I believe this SL will make them stronger. I'm sorry if I ill-treated the English language. Ciao, I don't think you're a dark soul at all, instead I believe too that the very core of the Romantic-subject is that struggle, it can't be peaches & flowers all the times (that's a kitch-idea of love)... I understand you 'cause I feel exactly the same way: even if I've respect of other fans who prefer a more traditional old-style kind of connection with the characters (as inspiaration for real life...Or whatever)...I follow more the storyline, as if it wwere a book or similar xxx PS_Great English, don't worry!
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Post by stregatta on Feb 4, 2010 17:36:16 GMT -5
Thanks Stregatta! THUNDERKAT: Look at it this way, Rob is probably VERY happy right now. How about showing Rob some love? Doesn't he deserve our support? Look at what a nice guy he is. Would he try to get in the way of Christian and Olli? I think not. Perhaps, instead, he introduces Christian and Olli to polyamory and the kiss is one he will share with Chrisitan later. Or it might be that he sees a spot on Olli's nose that needs getting too. He might be offering Olli comfort. He is a saint. Ah-ah Kes...LOL ;D "CI PIACE!!!" WE LOVE HIM!! I'm a fan too, I'm glad he's in the show, I've only had the feeling he's been thrown into the hot middle of the action, right away, without a proper deep insight of his character...So I guess it's difficult for the actor too, a little mess...While instead Rebecca has been there for ages, preparing the ground for this story... However let's wait & see (perhaps some of the scenes have been cut, so we have the impression of a little "rushed kinda thing" ) Last but not least, after a long time, I'm excited to see our naughty boyz in action again!! YEAH!! Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Feb 4, 2010 13:05:23 GMT -5
I'm probably in the minority, but I LOVE these spoilers. 1. It means Robert will be around for a while. 2. It means a bit of Rolli and that (frankly) is just hot -- it also means we get a continued triangle with three outstanding actors. 3. We KNOW Chrolli is the endgame, but OLLIAN MUST HAVE DRAMA. IF THEY DON'T HAVE DRAMA THEY BECOME SMURFS!! (I'm pretty passionate about this.) As for our evil Olli? Well, I think they've made Olli pretty sympathetic thus far, but we are getting an Olli I LOVE and I MISS - our mishevious, puckish Olli. I WANT my Olli back!! I want the Olli who doesn't spend all his time doing for and worrying about Christian. Hooray!!!! I am SO HAPPY!!!! (I think Rob is Tanja's long lost brother come back to life.) If you want to doom Chrolli, then give them a wedding, or keep them together when NO SOAP COUPLES stay together forever. That's a way to get them killed. We want OLLIAN to live a long time in Soap World -- that means that they are going to break up. And, frankly, I'm sick of these Rebbeca worries. I mean, so what? David is the endgame. Thore will act the hell out of whatever he does. And we have to have faith. We've got a storyline FINALLY. Let's be happy for once!!! I know this late, but Kes, I'm with you on this 100%. I would to like to add, I like the Rob character, he makes the storyline exciting because he brings the drama. Which is what this show was seriously lacking. I'm TOTALLY with you here!! I don't want SMURFS too... & I'm happy for this new storyline/occasion to play it rough fo our boys...I like "enough" Robert, the new "villain" (we actually still don't know it... ):however I'm not so sure about his acting, he seems almost "rude", but not in a very "attracting-rude" way, as brooding Christian always does for inst...Anyways, it's too early to judge it, I'll wait & see, bye-bye
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Post by stregatta on Feb 3, 2010 22:18:02 GMT -5
OMG I KNOW, RIGHT?!??!?!??! People in here are really getting on my nerves! They're not faithful in Chrolli's love and are convincing themselves that its the end!! WTF??? lol its ridiculous! Your post is perfect, thank you ;D I don't understand it either. I can understand being antsy about Christian and Oliver breaking up but even if it happens, that's what soap couples do. They break up, but what I don't understand is why some of the Chrolli fans have already put Christian with Rebecca together forever. I can believe that Rebecca and Christian could get together, it seems to be going that way, but why does anyone think it'd be permanent? I don't get that. I read the word "Chribecca" on this site more than "Chrolli" or "Ollian". Why? They're not even together, yet some Chrolli fans have already put Christian with her. Chrolli can't stay together all the time..name one couple, especially a popular one, that's together the entire time they were on a soap. There isn't one. Chrolli are extremely popular and promote the soap in Germany and (via Youtube) the world.
If Chrolli separate, there is no way that they won't stay in each other's orbit. Rebecca could get Christian and Robert could have Oliver, but I'm sure there will be many scenes that put Chrolli together looking angry and lovesick at one another. They are the endgame. It's too bad some Chrolli fans refuse to believe that, for some reason. Oh well, I guess time will tell one way or another. ITA with you sweetie!!! Actually I've read impressions & other comments before talking again, anyways I can share my thoughts with you & other friends here regarding Chrolli's issues, trying to summarize as much as I can: 1) I'm 1 of those fans whose without Ollian, wouldn't be here or even watching VL, which honestly I don't like...What in particular? The storylines, as already said in the past, don't attract me, no surprises, the pace is extremely SLOW, now I'm so bored to see again royal castles & horses (no offence 'cause I like animals, but you know what I mean... ),etc... So, to cut it short, even if not gay, I tune on YT-tv for the richness of emotions, that once were Christian & Olli, as characters & as actors (nowadays as many fans have noticed, it seems that Thore is so distant from Jo in certain scenes (x inst., I didn't like the stable make-up-scene...0 emotions IMO, it seemed a little like a B-porn movie?! ) 2) I'm with you also for the Rebecca-problem...IMO if a story is good, a villain, as could be Robert too, could bring so much fun to emphatize with the loved characters' struggle, 'cause you know in the end their love conquered all, isn't it true?? ..But in the meantime you're also happy to "suffer" for them to reconciliate. Let's be really HONEST: is true that is Rebecca-witch the problem here?!? I see the big issue is the basis: Chrolli & also R lately have been written almost "superficially": hence all the fans' doubts, who don't want to admit it. Double hit for a show like this, that aims to conquer his viewers by this development of feelings, as the inner core. 3) The biggest difference between my friends's comments in their blogs (regarding our soaps, or also foreign ones) & most of the Germans here I guess it's the HUMOUR: here there's some person that seems to be "married" with Chris, Olli, or even them both... ;D 'Cause the melodrama is always floating on air: & basically they want to see Chrolli smooching around xever & never apart... As if the soap had already ended with their marriage. I'm not so obsessed in love with them(or the actors), I simply know that the show has to move on, & this plot could be a good chance to do it (even if the new characters could have been written more in depth, or the relationships better interwined) 4) All in all, I won't be worried for the happy end, no matter what: as I've already said, Germans for this unwritten fictional rules are strict: if they've decided for the official vlog (have you noticed that lately they're checking the comments before uploading them??!! CENSORSHIP MUCH?! ), if there's already set the NYC meeting with fans, & last but not least their popularity comes from Chrolli, SURE 100% THEY WON'T BREAK THEM...For commercial purposes at least!! 5) Last but not least, sometimes I've also the impression that being a gay couple has brought to Chrolli good & bad luck together. In the sense that instead of ending in a proper manner, or breaking up for a period etc, they have had the pressure to force them forever together without really being interested in them; +Even most important, treating them in a slightly different "more romantic way", compared to regular straight couple...IMO that's the real offence , 'cause there is the difference: treating them as the background, the ideal fake lovers...Better a more down-to-earth thing, but more sincere.
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Post by stregatta on Feb 1, 2010 21:21:54 GMT -5
I don't think to wait for it tomorrrow...anyways, you know, on VL the "storms" are so quick to disappear in a soap-bubble, that I for sure won't be so worried! Why for once they could not make a show more serious regarding this point, I don't know, it's so unreal compared to the beginnings of Chrolli's story...Anyways, probably it's what their fans want to see: they live happily ever after, without big fights & issues, or real drama, like in a sort of cartoon...& that's what they're basically given.
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Post by stregatta on Feb 1, 2010 18:31:23 GMT -5
Oh boy...where to start?! Why are you all complaining?? After months of nothingness we finally have the bys ACTING: of course something has to happen, & let me say it, that's really the MINIMUM required to actually watch a whatever storyline...
However I'm still not so satisfied about these writers' view of the characters:
1) I like Rob, cause, on the contrary of fan like uber-romantic Flo86 for inst., I appreciate all the contrasts, the "dark side" of the plots, which give a spice to any kind of story, BUT...Until now, he's been quite monochromatic, with that "I'm the sux-villain! watch-out-face!" that isn't the optimum for the developing of a charming character...Because it's too obvious he's the bad guy all along, this steals impact & deepness to the whole "triangle" with Chrolli...
2) IMO David at this point looks like the real surprise boy in the show, the way he will get to the heart of Becca probably it's worth a watching...I mean, from a critical writing department-POV, it's intriguing, 'cause we really don't know which way he'll do it.
3) I've loved to see Jo & Thore have for real something more to act, but unfortunately, it could have been something deeper than a quarrel about a stable-party or so... & why the sex at the stable thrown away like that, like a bad B-porn movie, instead of something else more meaningful?! Only to reassure the fans, 'cause they had to make love every "tot-period", if not everyone goes crazy?? I don't know...
Sometimes these authors make them quarrel for silly things, instead for huge issues, like the heart-disease of Chris, nobody seemed to care very much....
Sorry, but If you don't want to create a sort of fake puppets' show, these kind of things are very IMPORTANT, in special way here, because it's a show based on the development of feelings, not on fantasy/adventurous suppositions!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 27, 2010 6:22:36 GMT -5
ummmmm... saying a person kissing another person in their sleep is rape seems a little extreme,,,,not that i care for becca. On another matter,,, this whole royalty thing is bizarre,,,, luise is supposed to be part of one of the dozens of minor German royal houses that populate the country,,, not the main one ,the Hohenzollerns. Its just weird,,, now we see pics of gregor pretending to be a prince holding a sword... dumb IMO it's more "soapish" than rapist's to kiss "your BF" like that...Moreover, if it's months that this Becca's love-interest goes on, since he's even gay, how these poor writers were supposed to show this affection?! Dreams or something like that, isn't it?! Last but not least, I've known ('cause it's broadcast here too) that there's another German mini-series dedicated to royal-world (& poor people)...Seriously, again?! What's happening, back in the '50ies, all over again?? Please, we've had enough!!
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