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Post by stregatta on Jan 26, 2010 21:44:19 GMT -5
IMO it's even quite boring...these writers don't think to turn Christian straight again, but simply to make fans anxious & quarreling (as you are doing as a matter of fact), throwing to us a bone...But with no meat to cover it!
We'll talk for ages of a little quite steady plot, with an impossible love from Becca's side, which will end up with David...So WHY are you all so worried??
This pseudo-villain Robert will do a little mess within Chrolli...But he's a guest, isn't it?! So finally it'll be all perfectly ok...don't you think?!
There's even the vlog to prove all of this...Moreover, remember, in this soap if a character is good stays this way, & bad the other way: as in a children fable...
Then I guess we can relax & enjoy the VL-train to the happy end, I stay my ground anyways!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 26, 2010 18:34:18 GMT -5
What Claudia Hiersche brought to the show, which I am only now starting to discover and appreciate, was a portrayal of a strong, non stereotypical or cliched, well rounded three dimensional lesbian character, who was also sexy as hell. I mean, she really tugs at the heart strings and VL struck gold when they added her onto the cast. I couldn't agree more: Claudia's portrayal of a lesbian was amazing "Carla" was one of the most beautiful, sexy, likable, non stereotypical lesbian character ever. It's a real pity she's gone (another huge loss of Verbotene Liebe...); I think it was unfortunate she was paired with Anne Wis ("Stella"), a wooden (but very cute) actress waaay out of Claudia's league Even though I agree that most of soap operas' viewers are " straight middle aged women, who probably have no interest in lesbian love stories" I'm still thinking a terrifically portrayed lesbian couple (with a well written storyline) could do the magic and rock those women. I guess Claudia was pretty close to reach that goal... Amen to that...However I'm under the impression that lately VL isn't up with its old standards, even in this matter: you should expect from a soap interested in this kind of themes, to be less superficial in portraying a gays' image & story...Really, let's hope to have mistaken in thinking that they see Olli as the woman & Chris the man..SO OLD CLICHE'!! Idem for the lesbians=masculine attitude... Wanting to be good, we can say, since they've not proper writers for this kind of things, that perhaps they've used a little cliches "to taste the ground"...Hopefully in the end they realize the right path to follow, & what the audience deserves to watch, being more respectful (& I don't give a damn if the gradmas don't like it?! ) PS_OMG...who knew about Mrs Collins in that special ep.?! I remember my mum following that night-soap Dynasty, & all the buzz around her sparkling villain character, really loved back in the day (& her sister is a well-known writer of romantic books I've heard, if I don't get wrong)...More recently, I've seen her on YT, in a nice Brit show about Fashion, host by Gok Wan style-guru, in Saint Tropez...Well, you know, she treats herself the best!! Moreover now I know that she's been the 1st woman to bring in England, from the US, a tight male jeans to adapt it for women, hell yeah?! For sure it will be fun to have her on VL, I'm curious about that crazy episode... Besides, I was giggling, seeing around here the photos of Jo's ass...I'm so hoping we could talk of something else more "solid" very soon...No joke intended!! LOL ;D PPS_If also this time, all this Rob-buzz translates into nothing of real, hot & heavy for Chrolli...I swear I'm going to set fire on VL's writing department!!! CIAO
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 23:58:19 GMT -5
haha omg u quoted Mika too? He's amazing, LOVE him. And you're so right, this is just the writers trying to keep the viewers annoyed and angered but unable to stop watching...its f*cked up, but ur right, nothing terribles gonna happen...its all part of their evil little plan....... You said it right sweetie!! Moreover, now Becca is more "pleasant" with this link to cute David, she's more bereable, at least for me...I'm curious to see when she'll be aware of her future loving affection towards him...It sounds interesting (+they were already together in the opening-sequence, weren't they?! So, we can seat & enjoy the rest!! Peace out, all the best
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 23:43:31 GMT -5
Naahhhhhh...Am I the only 1 to be calm here?! Don't worry everybody, it's so predictable what's on the writers' mind, that IMO it's evident...Chrolli really love each other, rebecca & Robert will be the antagonists, obviously they won't have lucky with them!! As a matter of fact R. is a guest, Becca is already set for a future commitment with David... So, I guess all your worries are on the fact that they chose Chris over Olli for being the object of the woman's affection?? Well, they did ok for once, 'cause if it would have been Olli, nobody will have been a little anxious about the Chrolli's fate... Overall honestly, I'm not preoccupied at all, I'm so enjoying this little earthquake...Please, all the fans,let RELAX!! ;D You are NOT the only one who's calm Thank you SO MUCH for saying this, you're totallyyy totally right. Chrolli are still a strong unit and are about to be pulled at by R-squared...but how in the world would those two idiots become successful at breaking chrolli up when they've shoved past everything and everyone else that's threatened their relationship??? puh-lease people. and ur right, lets just enjoy this little earthquake and relax, take it eeeeeasy..yeah i just quoted Mika, but its truue!! I'm right with ya, stregatta!!! I've quoted Mika too the other day...funny, uh?! ;D Glad not to be the only 1...However I can understand WHY fans are so tense about the whole situation: IMO it's authors' fault, in the sense they push & push & push this Rebecca-girl always in the middle of poor Chrolli, especially Christian, so it's normal that now people are worried all this effort will have a wrong outcome, in the end...Personally, having witnessed the type of writing they've had until now, simply I've noticed how they've been very quick in closing mini-storylines, & very slow in developing bigger ones: BUT, I still don't think they really mean to break them that way... They're simply "playing with our nerves" (not mine anyways... ) So finally fans will talk for ages regarding the MENACE never concretize, & writers will be happy to have glued people to the VL-screen...I bet with you my few Euro, that nothing really dangerous will happen,'cause as someone else has well said, this is like high-school kind of romance...They don't really mean to take it to "th next level", propably neither their target audience, I don't know, but I can imagine... They walk step-by-step, never JUMP, you see (BTW also Kylie said RELAX! do you rember?! ;D)...ciao
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 22:31:11 GMT -5
oh no - i totally appreciate and do not doubt that christian is gay. he's said it himself and he seems happier with olli than any other pairing he's been in, on the show. but i guess what i'm getting at, is that pairing thore with a woman, any woman - in a even slightly romantic sense is kind of unsettling, if your desire is for chrolli to stay together. more so than if they paired jo with a woman. and that's not really even a comment on the actors' sexuality, which to be honest in the realm of real life i don't give two flying hoots about. but i think the techniques thore employs when he's acting draw on his real life reactions and experiences, more so than jo. (neither of them is a better actor than the other). so if thore is scripted to, as christian, flirt with a pretty girl in a totally innocuous manner because the character is gay and thinks nothing of winking at his 'best friend' - it just doesn't work in the same way it would for me if it was jo, who frequently as olli - gets up close and personal with loads of the actresses and it comes off as i think it's meant to. obviously this is all just speculation around the fact chribecca won't happen on any real level, cause if they do and christian has been developing or hiding feelings all this time, then thore is playing it to perfection. and also i feel like chrolli is threatened because of how these new writers might perceive christian because of, not only the way thore looks, but the way he portrays his character as well.. i don't know - it's a jumble in my head. and what i've just written i don't know if i agree with it 100% because i don't know exactly what i'm getting at. i guess i'm more trying to verbalise feelings. and i could be wrong, because i loved every single second of christian and judith and they used to lie around on top of eachother on the flatshare couch and he would tell her hair looked pretty. i don't know what it is - maybe it's the writers. it's just I KNOW i would have preferred olli to be the object of rebecca's lust and jo to be the one acting this. hmmm... Naahhhhhh...Am I the only 1 to be calm here?! Don't worry everybody, it's so predictable what's on the writers' mind, that IMO it's evident...Chrolli really love each other, rebecca & Robert will be the antagonists, obviously they won't have lucky with them!! As a matter of fact R. is a guest, Becca is already set for a future commitment with David... So, I guess all your worries are on the fact that they chose Chris over Olli for being the object of the woman's affection?? Well, they did ok for once, 'cause if it would have been Olli, nobody will have been a little anxious about the Chrolli's fate... Overall honestly, I'm not preoccupied at all, I'm so enjoying this little earthquake...Please, all the fans,let RELAX!! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 18:50:54 GMT -5
I so much feel like I'm watching grandma TV lately! Especially with the ads for the 1000th episode of Sturm der Liebe they keep running. OMFG...the was EXACTLY what I was thinking of watching those photos of Grelu!!! Besides, Romy still rocks, please don't mess up with old classics (as recently an EU- coproduction has made a remake of the old Sissi-saga...Back off!! Even if the actress was Italian) BTW it's totally out of character for Gregor that choice, however in this way, we'll have more room for Chrolli/ Robert quality time I guess?!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 22, 2010 18:37:43 GMT -5
just here to grumble a little about the vlog...seemed somewhat anemic to me today although punctuated by some truly truly sweet moments. idk, i felt overall like, why is Xtian in a snit? is he still ticked about the records? is he feeling sorry for himself? is he jealous of robert?!! I sincerely hope it's the latter, because otherwise, I just don't get what Xtian's problem was today... maybe i'm reading too much into it, but there was just definitely something...off...or flat...or i dunno... weird about it. i think i'll sleep on it...i may be projecting ya know... No, it's simply the way actor Thore acts I guess...But at the beginning I didn't pay too much attention on it! Besides, as the plan of the episodes finished to become boring, after months of repeating the same mechanism in them, also the vlog is going on the same path...Yes. of course it's cute, they're good-looking & sweet, but, if you think twice, if they really were a couple in life, it could make a sense to the gay-viewers that take them as "real", but since it's all fictional, I don't know... IMO it would have been better if they had done only some sort of special for VL., or "commercial", playing their characters.... But back on focus on VL show, to see their very best: as, I don't know, it could have been something COOL, that is impossible not to love...As the banter, the competition, and of course the mind games! Ok sorry, back to VL reality now, I know these are the kind of things we won't see on this type of show...Cheers ;D
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 21:35:03 GMT -5
I'd have to agree with Nanna on this one: Definitely all of the above. And as my friend once pointed out to me there are three kinds of girls: lesbians, straight girls who like straight guys, and straight girls who like gay guys. Of which he informed me I was clearly part of the third group. LOL. I've also kind of reached the point where, in relation to TV and movies and things, straight couples just aren't that interesting. They all have the same story and it's always told the same way. I need something new and different to keep my interest. Amen to your thoughts...Same here!! Plus I'm a curious person, I like to be surprised, so to speak. Not just for romance, for inst., Twilight, for my tastes was boing...I'd have added to it a good slice of suspense more & supernatural stuff (anyone knows HEX x inst.?! ) I just wanted to say more, than anyways, for me it's not enough see 2 guys kissing for "turning me on", the basic thing here & for any other fictional thing it's the story: that's the thing that makes me falling in love with the rest (then of course the actors)...So not all is the same... Last but not least, it happened to me to watch on tv, by chance the famous THE L WORLD, for curiosity: as a matter of fact it makes a difference to see 2 girls, being a straight girl too (apart from the fact I had a little fun, since everyone there seemed to be a sort of lesbo-nymphomaniac, & all people, at least bisex )...1st time you see it it's uncomfortably odd, 'cause you feel more the emphaty, or the masculinity in certain women...However when you "relax", when the plot is good, you can sympathize with those couples, as if they were hetero, in the end... With the boys it's easier,'cause it seems to watch & enjoy "2 birds with 1 stone", plus they're way sweeter than average men, aren't they?! at least on the telly! Obviously, you have to be open-minded & not to be in a strictly conservative family to enjoy...ciao
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 18:58:01 GMT -5
i'm sorry - i'm having a really, really shit night so this may come off a little harsher than i mean it to sound. but, if rebecca looked better in the scenes it's because, comparatively (for me), jo weil was not awesome today. i don't know if it was the writing, or just him not entirely feeling the SL - but it came off as real hammy 'acting' today. i'm only saying that because it's my honest opinion. and i don't mind that most people probably disagree. i can't even say thore scholermann was better, because he was kinda barely present. i hope that isn't a portent for future developments in this SL. there was so many obvious things about today which were off, and they've already been covered but the acting was the main thing for me. although i am finding the actual SL more bearable than i thought i would, and luckily the burden of rebecca's crush isn't being felt too heavily by the audience yet. someone already mentioned it, but jasmin lord isn't bad in the background, it's the close ups she has to master yet. and thankfully, today there were no close ups. so that's a plus. i feel kinda sorry for her, still. despite the fact her acting is many, many miles from perfect - i still think it's the fault of production for not utilising her properly. she should never have been paired with gregor in the beginning but if they kept her in the background after that whole fiasco, working on the friendship angle and confidence, gave her a few mini-stories, she might have been able to do justice to a falling in love with my gay best friend SL. but she's just not there yet. rebecca is, and probably always will be The Plank to me. but i'm inclined to believe that's not totally the actress' fault. so yeah, not feeling jo weil today (although i think he was good (just good, not brilliant) at the very start and at the very end, and then when olli and christian shared that look in the flatshare, but overall not perfect). the episode left me sort of sad about what could have been if they gave stuff time, which they don't seem to do anymore on VL (just look at AnHelTris)... Ahh..at last I've seen this famous ep. too & I can understand your point about Olli's, like Mona rightly said, almost childish ways...however it doesn't bother me so much that Chris acts like a if he's a little bit superficial or worried for other personal issues, but that the focus always seems to go somewhere else.. .Lucky us that in no time all the attention should be for this Chrolli's story again... (Let's only hope they'll be able to correct this way: leaving the plot as decided, but the acting a little more natural) Last but not least, I've loved (of course! As Mitsaso & friends already pointed out ) Robert-ambiguous attracting character, & DON'T SHOT ME! Becca with pretty shy David, they're so cute together...OMG am I becoming Davecca-shipper?! Oh well, it's not so bad afterall... Probably, like this ep. was different from what we think it should be, also for the future ones, we're going to see Becca & Bert as the "menace" to the union of the boys, but of course the happy-end is sure & safe... PS_ To cheer you up (hoping you're better today !...Even if I usually don't like the hunk type (Brad Pitt-style!),today I must confess to have also betrayed Chrolli with a charming good actor, Gabriel Garko, the exception! Sorry, Mea Culpa! (he's on our edition of "Vanity Fair"magazine/ site...) Garko is the most desired1 at the moment here (by women & men alike...He's hetero,but said to have get gays' advances too; also because he starred, years ago, in a beautiful moving film, as one of them, called "Le fate ignoranti"/The ignorant fairies, by Turkish-Italian director Ferzan Ozpetek, who's openly gay). Last time he was on tv, he even beated the President speech for the share, & Raul Bova's expensive new action series...What's next for him? It's 1called "Caldo criminale"/Criminal heat: the crazy title is already a warranty...Well, just have a look on YT, you won't regret it!! (I can't decided which is the most handsome anyway, between him & the 1st etoile of Scala's theatre, Roberto Bolle...Anyways, is that kind of stunning beauty, which is better "to worship" watching a ballet or a fashion campaign; in a FICTION, I always watch the story first, then the chemestry between actors & their skill...Cause it means that the plot could even make so interesting an ugly frog to make it become a Prince Charming!! )
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 17:41:06 GMT -5
Okay...I've had it put to me that it could possibly be worth restarting dedicated episode threads for when there's a Chrolli-heavy episode. I could start the thread before the episode airs and then edit in my caps, to the start of the thread, once they are done. So, yeah, the episode would have to have a fair amount of Chrolli in it (or a lot of at least one of them!)...It would just clutter up the board to do threads outside of this. So I just thought I'd put it out there...What do people honestly think of this? Should I [highlight the following line for slightly spoilery text] start one for this next, Chroll-heavy, ep...even though it's heavy on a certain someone else, too...??joanna...I think it would be great to start the threads up again when we have Ollian focused episodes. We use to about a year ago when Ollian had a storyline, but naturally they were dropped since Ollian went into supporting only cast members. Now that things seem to be picking up again, I think the thread upstart is a very good idea. I liked this episode. I actually thought Olli was in character. He's always been high strong and panicky when things go south, and the braking of the turntable by Christian was pretty major. I also though Christian played true to character...not understanding fully at first the consequences with the turntable broken. But then after some thought and unfortunately the help of his crush Rebecca he was able to realize the severity of the situation. I liked the make up. I thought the make up was realistically portrayed. Yes the situation for Olli was desperate and he was angry at Christian, but has the day continued his venom toward Christian decreased, especially when Christian apologized. This is the sign of a mature relationship...the big picture is looked at and then cooler heads will prevail. Nothing about Rebecca's acting I found inspiring. She still comes off as a very poor actress. And that lip biting thingy she does makes her look as though she's trying to remember her lines. Gosh...I just wish she wasn't involved with Ollian today, but this third wheel doesn't appear to be going anywhere. I'm sure she went out of her way to get the turntable because she still fancies Christian and wants to impress him. Thank you nanna and tihkon for the fast subbed episode. And thank you so much joanna for the caps. ;D Are you REALLY satisfied by a little accident like that, between the boys, moreover with Becca always in the middle of the game too?!? It's just a too little thing by now..Yep, I'm happy that finally poor Chrolli are IN the show & not only closed within the vlog, but to win back the fans' heart for real, VL has to show off their shiny guns again & FIRE!! We're not so content with just a little quarrel & kiss-make up in 2 eps : we deserve a REAL PLOT... Lucky us it's coming to the end this boring waiting, WELCOME TO THE NEW STORY!!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 17:29:23 GMT -5
I must agree with flippity, maybe still in the minority, but it seems richer if the discussion stays all in one place, unless an episode really needs it's own thread. It is just easier to compare and read back to other coments and opinions. I agree it could be a little mess browsing back & forth to read/ watch all, but it's anyways a great effort from the kind people who work for it (BIG KUDOS!!) to make an excellent organization in the end, isn't it? Perhaps the only thing to think twice, it's that not every episodes of VL deserves a special treatment; so it could be better making in focus just the ones that fans keen to watch/ discuss deeply... This could help also the effort that the team would have to make otherwise ...Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Jan 20, 2010 17:09:48 GMT -5
I heard Skandinavian soaps can get pretty dark and gory in their villains. Kinda a lot of "Tanjas" running around. There are tons of Asian soaps. A lot of them beautifully produced, some of them cheap looking though. They do more miniseries types. Even historical ones with 100 or so episodes. But there is crossovers with the so called dramas (dorama, jdrama) that usually have between 16 and 36 episodes, air around the time VL airs and have a new episode every day. Here for example is somebody's Top 10 favorites list with a short description and some pictures, so you can get an overview of the kind of topics they might cover: dangermousie.livejournal.com/1076090.html#cutid1dangermousie.livejournal.com/1449855.html#cutid1(she prefers shorter dramas though, but I hear the 100 episodes one are often historical ones; but generally think similar themes, just longer and more family members for soaps) Same person was a fan of a Russian historical miniseries with I think 200 or 300 daily episodes, Bednaya Nastya, set in czarist Russia: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPoT5cqXh6Edangermousie.livejournal.com/tag/bednaya+nastyaI also heard that that the Russian version of Yo Soy Betty was also huge. Generally I think Asian soaps are likely to focus on big sprawling dysfunctional families, maybe a bit more repressed in their interaction than the Italian ones let's say. I have never seen an India daily soap, but I know there are some. I remember Little Mosque In the Prairie did an episode that mocked precisely the indian soap style (as opposed to the Indian movie style). I hear they have a lot of amnesia stories over there I tried to find one that was called Karisma or Karishma or something like that and instead stumbled across this one I stumbled across this one. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT89AEnK4-o&feature=PlayList&p=0B037011B99CD9B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2Here is somebody who is doing english subtitles for a turkish soap Aski Memnu www.youtube.com/user/lettha2#g/uI came across this because apparently it's something about the young wife having an affair with the stepson and the younger sister is also in love with him or something and that's why it occasionally also shows up when you search for Forbidden Love. Ok, now I've seen a bit of the above list...The closest to mine was the Turikish one, at least in this specific case, that kind of feeling you say "I can sense that same vibe..." I'd to say, even if a little too modest for what we're used to watch, the Russian Bednaya Nastya has its charme... As regard the Indian ones, I don't like the perpetual foreground of the actors & that kind of acting-way...(anyway, why only the ladies had to wear traditional clothes, even if beautiful, & the men are dressed as Westerns? Simply for my curiosity... )Plus I miss all the cheerful dancing/singing of their Bollywood films Last but not least I wasn't able to find the Scandinavian ones, instead the Chinese ones definitely are not my cup of tea...Even the colours are so old-fashioned. :'(Obviously it's only IMO! Thanks and Ciao Ciao***
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Post by stregatta on Jan 19, 2010 22:05:05 GMT -5
I heard Skandinavian soaps can get pretty dark and gory in their villains. Kinda a lot of "Tanjas" running around. There are tons of Asian soaps. A lot of them beautifully produced, some of them cheap looking though. They do more miniseries types. Even historical ones with 100 or so episodes. But there is crossovers with the so called dramas (dorama, jdrama) that usually have between 16 and 36 episodes, air around the time VL airs and have a new episode every day. Here for example is somebody's Top 10 favorites list with a short description and some pictures, so you can get an overview of the kind of topics they might cover: dangermousie.livejournal.com/1076090.html#cutid1dangermousie.livejournal.com/1449855.html#cutid1(she prefers shorter dramas though, but I hear the 100 episodes one are often historical ones; but generally think similar themes, just longer and more family members for soaps) Same person was a fan of a Russian historical miniseries with I think 200 or 300 daily episodes, Bednaya Nastya, set in czarist Russia: www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPoT5cqXh6Edangermousie.livejournal.com/tag/bednaya+nastyaI also heard that that the Russian version of Yo Soy Betty was also huge. Generally I think Asian soaps are likely to focus on big sprawling dysfunctional families, maybe a bit more repressed in their interaction than the Italian ones let's say. I have never seen an India daily soap, but I know there are some. I remember Little Mosque In the Prairie did an episode that mocked precisely the indian soap style (as opposed to the Indian movie style). I hear they have a lot of amnesia stories over there I tried to find one that was called Karisma or Karishma or something like that and instead stumbled across this one I stumbled across this one. www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT89AEnK4-o&feature=PlayList&p=0B037011B99CD9B7&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=2Here is somebody who is doing english subtitles for a turkish soap Aski Memnu www.youtube.com/user/lettha2#g/uI came across this because apparently it's something about the young wife having an affair with the stepson and the younger sister is also in love with him or something and that's why it occasionally also shows up when you search for Forbidden Love. Ah, Lola you're ZUPER!! (Lola run like the film? ) Thank you so much for so detailed list...I'm going to check them out, sooner or later... Regarding Scandinavian I LUV their dark-gothic approach to certain kind of music (I don't mean Abba, of course ) & as you said, some black-heart within their plots too...About Indian ones, I think as others too, I know just some of the musicals, not very-strict hindi 'cause obviously I couldn't understand the nuances, & so...Russian things I've no idea honestly, I'm curious to see...Neither Chinese soaps (but I know that they like melodic slow music!)...However I guess all the telenovelas' mania has got his long roots in South America's old ones... Ok, bye-bye to you & the others, we've virtually gone around the world today/night...Such a cute thing!Ciao
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Post by stregatta on Jan 19, 2010 20:45:42 GMT -5
i guess in a way - without sounding like a really ignorant yob, going by what you've said, the look of soaps reflect the countries they've come out of. and the culture and stuff. in england - it's usually depressing, any-street-in-your-town kind of realism. run of the mill, low budget kind of grit. a bit like our poets, pop music and cuisine. something like eastenders, or corrie - the plot centres around domestic drama rather than say, the gun wielding, blackmailing, balaclava clad high drama of the latin telenovas. either that or, it's rural drama - like emmerdale - with farmers haggling over the price of sheep and what not. in italy from what you've said it sounds like a mile a minute, action packed intrigue, much richer and saturated than here - which i guess you could, or might associate with a more passionate italian culture. i saw (what i think was) a danish (?) soap once, that was very cool (as in the palette rather than existential idea) in it's tone and story. i only saw about three episodes and understood none of what was going on, but again it was very different. in the US you get the very commercial, beautiful soaps - which are a breed all their own, with a certain beautiful aesthetic in keeping with a kind of typical americana ideal. australia, less commercial but still a big deal and on the whole kinda beautiful - but more organic and with characters who are discernibly NOT beautiful, stalwarts who stick around forever and give them a real feel.. in germany, the soaps seem rigorously structured plots with a nice aesthetic - that isn't as far removed from reality as say the american ideal - but is nonetheless cleaner to look at than what we get over here. and of course as sylvain pointed out to me, france doesn't have a soap culture (why would they?! they don't need soaps!! they're french!! ;D)... in that same vein - still ignorant and a bit narrow minded - you could say the way they formulate stories on soap operas is in keeping with those kind of national traditions. and yeah, what i've seen of the german soaps there does seem to be an ebb and flow towards a SL goal, rather than a mad climatic rush. and that's good but it means there's long patches where you're favourite characters just disappear. which is not what i'm used to, with the domestic british soap style, you see them round the village or in the pub - making comments, mooching about in the background but still in their own SLs. its very different. it's interesting - i find soap really fascinating as like a genre. cos of the pace, and the turn over and the idea of stories and characters that connect over a huge amount of time, sometimes decades, but shown daily. and how they totally differ from country to country. i could watch any soap opera i think, after a while... speaking of, i'd love to see a chinese soap opera! do they even have them? ;D Perfectly said, really...You're right, I think you've made a good point in focus: probably it's a matter of culture, deep down all the glossy beautiful landscapes, handsome people, incredible loves, etc... A sort of society-mirror, but wrapped up with a ribbon, whose colour changes linked to the different soul of the different places I've thought exactly the same as you, regarding English soaps: & it's funny, 'cause here all the time something it's told about GB, always has to end up with the humour, the Royality-Pomp & Circumstance-kind of subject or...the 5 o'clock-tea?! Even if we all know it's so fake & daft still talking about such things (Probably 'cause the starting point of everything is a stereotype, in a good or bad way, anyway... ) However, watching a little of those soaps you said, I was amazed to see: 1) the lacking of the usual bright colours & lavishing penthouses/ furnishings, stylish design, etc... 2) that kind of rural setting, nothing close to the bright hype (even old punk?) London & other big cities 3) most of the times, depressed actors not even so eye-candy...You know by telling this I don't want to criticize, I simply was surprised by the taste, that's it. Then you said it well, here Italians as far as I know, want to see the beauty in all things, the passionate love, to be surprised, even the family-theme (in the oddest ways, it doesn't matter): when a producer recently tried to make a new soap similar to the "rural ones" you've told, Agrodolce=bittersweet, something with dull colours (even if settled in the sux bright Sicily?? How you dare!! ) & characters, with even a music so depressing, that also my family changed the tv channel when it was on...Well, it had to be axed, in 1-year only of broadcasting!! The Spanish ones, hence director Pedro & co., have happy-feelings, or however always a sort of wicked humour (different from the Brit-1) that we definitely don't have, or US-people don't either...Ultimately a"Duende" they say, a sort of "pixie" perhaps I can translate... Danish ones? I've not ideas, I know better the music of north EU, I'd to say...But I think I may have an idea, a little bit like the German soaps?! It's not true that French haven't, there's at least 1: Plus belle la vie, that it's on air since quite a few years I guess by now...The flavour? I've seen just very little, in any case fine people (obviously...Les francaises?! ), beautiful surroundings, cosy pretty villages, mixed plots, less sux-surprising or absurd (American-way) plot than our. All well balanced, nothing too over the top..I remember also another one, a little The OC-style, called Saint Tropez, more glamorous & even with some songs sung by someone in the show (...Sous le soleil, la-lah! ;D) Regarding the Asiatic ones I know just the films, again their horror-films literally make me falling to sleep...Ouch! Different sensitivity! To close the speech, I've read an article+seen a reportage about Turky,& they were talking about a Turkish-soap, now I've forgotten its name, so famous to have become a fashion-trend, that had had its troubles 'cause the other close countries have complained an excess of freedom for the lady-character. Ironically enough, she simply had divorced in the soap, to move on with her life, finding another lover (an handsome blonde-blue eyed man, now a star there! )..."No sex please, we're Turikish!" all this buzz & that love was so"platonic"in front of the camera... PS_when an Indian team came to Puglia-region, south of my country, to shoot a movie, a lovestory, after they went away our newspaper gossiped about how it seemed rather strange for us that, after a long lovestory movie, the 2 lovers finally reached out for their happy end &...NOTHING HAPPENED?! Neither a chaste kiss, simply they met & dance all along, fading away??? Sorry if I'm having a little ;D (of course, always max respect to anyone!! ) Ciao*
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Post by stregatta on Jan 19, 2010 19:21:53 GMT -5
the rapist bit - was that guy drunk?! or just driven wild by The Plank's inescapably sexy charms?! i know it was contrived so david could step in and play hero (man, i LOVE david!) - but seriously?! do they just abandon realism at the door when it comes to script writing for VL now?! or even just blocking - that was full on sexual harassment and no one thinks to call the police?! and i liked imaginarychristian, i hate to admit it. it was nice to see something a little different, and unusual - safely within the realm of rebecca's unfettered imagination... favourite bit of today; chrolli behaving like a couple for the first time in ever!! ;D Aren't you happy boy?! At least a little of good action! However I was sure too, than nothing bad would have happened in the end...IMO, the guy (mmhhh, good looking2! ) in reality wasn't drunk, simply sure of his charm,'cause he was quite "a name" in that business, uh? & he "gets what he pleases"... Like that old scene where Olli had to be "nice" with that gourmet-reviewer, to have kind things written for his pub (club now? Ok, whatever it's meant to be! Probably nowadays Mr NoLimits is more lively that some other characters...LOL?! ) Last but not least, can I only add that I've liked the sweet final scene Becca+David?! It's 1 of the 1st times I've forgotten the bad things about her...I'm even more sure now that nothing wrong with happen with Christian, apart from misunderstandings...Writers are using Rebecca's character only to mess up a bit the future course of the plot...Ciao* PS- Vielen Danke x Sonnenschein+ Joanna! Our dream-team (with the add of all the other precious friends here! )
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Post by stregatta on Jan 19, 2010 18:00:03 GMT -5
that idea sounds just like some arthouse esque, almodovar type film mitsaso - i don't know if the current writers at VL could manage it... and i want them to do a proper chrolli story before they do anything else... and as the idea of christian, or olli with a priest squiks me out for SO many reasons, i guess i'd have to pass on the priest idea. although... christian and a tranny hooker...? hmmm.... less squiky, more hilarious... ;D PS_JOHNNY, Did you remember when you've said about: everything is fine, as long as Chrolli move on from this marsh?! ...As drink, pills-addiction, depression, etc"?? Talking of which, it came to my mind, apart from all the drugs/pills' abuse-stories already told in many other series, especially a story I've seen once, about drinking, in the most famous Italian soap("Centovetrine"=1hundred-windows, settled in Turin city ...I know, the name sounds so silly, but it's the brand's 1, a wealthy multinational that owns malls.. ;-)): a former businessman, then broke for many reasons, fell in the drinking/ depression coil, & ended up "selling" his beautiful girlfriend to a gang of bad people, 'cause he had to pay for his gambling-debts...(Then there's a repentance, but the girl ran away in France, etc...Moreover, usually the production makes you see the real places, or at least some pre-recorded flashes; why VL can't?! For the 2-months-long-Ibiza's story for inst.,quite important,'cause they sprung from it the whole vlog's idea+Olli's great homecoming: at least seeing the island once, would have made the viewer more hooked to the plot...Other German productions give more importance to this kind of background-details. However perhaps it's just a money-issue). Or even, nowadays, a good policeman's brother, a man believed to be ok, isn't so much in reality! (Neither the audience knew, by the start, his real identity...'till 1 memorable ep., in which he finished to phone up to his bro', & put on a balaclava on his head to turning into "the villain"?!)...So he has ended up stealing precious jewellery & kidnapping the bros' rich faincée+her sister in their chalet on the snowy mountains. The sister even fell for him (Stockholm's Syndrome?!) & the other1 instead, to run away, stole his gun to shoot him...But he's not dead, he'll come back! OMG creepy-sexy much?! :-o) Why nothing pushed-to-the-edge, really shocking for VL too?! I guess it's for the basic structure of the show, so in this sense, it won't change deeply. MITSASO...Yep, the priest-thing, has done in a 1st place in Latin telenovelas (there were even jokes about the Brazilian ones; I've never seen them, but I know 'cause some of our actors made them & told back some funny things about...As that a certain point there were always a devilish girl that tried to kiss the poor angelic priest, kinda of thing! LOL); in Almòdovar movies too, but with some grotesque incredible twists... Here would be genuinely unbelieavable, trust me!! & even in the above said Italian soap, they did this kind of plot, but with an original ending; the priest decided to become a new man, no more Chruch ('cause God had other plans for him,yes! ), then a little of "livin'la vida loca" before dying of a mysterious disease, out of the screen...To tell you the true, we don't actually know if he'll come back!! Ok, that was simply to have a laugh, for the fact that here the fans ask "Please, a little less surprises, more steady couples & plots!" instead in Germany it's the opposite!! LOL ;D
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Post by stregatta on Jan 19, 2010 17:46:55 GMT -5
I am in love with Robert. I said it before and I'll annoy people by saying it again. He is hot -- sizzling. Rolli, Ob. It just seems to roll off the tongue and onto the bed or floor or counter or convenient stairwell does it not? I'm with you!! ^_^ At least 1 time we won't have just & only Miss Voldemort...LOL ;D Bye-bye*
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 20:34:37 GMT -5
Ahh...Thank you!! Now I know, I was curious to see if VL was bigger than ohers; anyways in this case a strange flavour to this "verbotene"...A sort of conservative "forbidden", now I can understand it better Perhaps it's a little bit forced somehow, so sometimes it seems a little cold-hearted, even if it' supposed to be HOT... Regarding the site, & not knowing German, I clearly didn't have a clue, but thanks to nice people that helps the cause SO MUCH (VIELEN DANKE!),I'll give it a try, thank you again... COLD!!! you're the first person who's said it and you're so right..! it's like when you're told something is meant to be sexy and forbidden and you're told over and over and over, and it's repeated over and over and over - until, guess what? it's not anymore, it's cold and boring and souless. it's for shock value. so it has no value. chrolli really told a story, they really took care to paint the characters. nowadays on VL they're recycling SLs again and again. that's why i get nervous when i hear a prince is joining the cast. i mean haven't we just had the princess? again with the royalty thing?! just cos it mildly worked the other time you did it, doesn't mean you have to repeat it as soon as the other SL has finished transmitting. it's as cold as porn from the 90's, or even worse the 80's. cold, souless and boring and really just mind blowingly POINTLESS... OMG...LOL!! we seem like the 2 old-grumpies of the Muppets' Show this night, don't you think?! Ah-ah ;D I'm happy at least someone seen it also from "my little humble corner", 'cause some other is so strongly hung to Chrolli's perfect untouchable love, that it's hard to discuss any possibilities, without looking like a spoilsport! ...Since, again, story it's not over for our boys, so it's normal to confront ideas, it's nice to share thoughts, waiting to see what's actually happening in soap-land world! (PS_that cartoon-idea was so nice too! ;D) Well, you know "cold" has been my sensation more than once, compared to other situations, in which you simply have to watch to be mesmerized, or ""electrified" by a scene (in VL, for inst., the zip-scene, bck in the days: where Olli grabs Chris' sweater-zip, & he stops his hand, is 1 of those rare clou-moments...) I'm sure this kind of mechanism, here wouldn't have had the same result: but I guess in Germany this a little-strict pattern instead can be accepted (I've been in fact struck by the care, the almost-obsessive attention of German viewers to the most varied detailes..It's like also the audience had a sort of code to judge it). We don't have openly too many spoilers, even the final ones in the final-credits+especially the opening credit with the couples that you already know from the start where they'll end??Jeez, that it's killing the suspense, don't you think the same?!(a little like the vlog IMO...) So our writers never give away too much, keeping the tension high, the passion & the suspense more or less at the same level...Last but not least, sorry, honestly I can't help you with the porn-differences between the ages...LOL!! (I guess the older ones were worst or better than the new ones...Naughty boy! ;D) Anyways, back to your serious opinions now: I think I've get where your fears lie in Becca's character: the issue is, if she's a "hidden weapon" for Ollian, in the sense that, since gay viewers are supposed to be a minority I guess, & girls-screaming-teenagers are quite a lot+Thore fitting more "the hetero-Deutch-hunk" he's supposed to attract a larger audience+that lady writer isn't at the same level of the chief-male gay-writer....It's normal to think the story could slide ON THE DARK SIDE!! Gulp!! That's a good question: I imagine, for the above reasons, that in the end they'll be again for Chrolli's side, not really 'cause they feel it, but 'cause IT'S COOL, DAS IST GEIL!! You know, for straight women, nowadays, it's been said gays' stories are the ultimate romantic ones, so I guess this means we can be hopeful for a bright future for them...Probably Thore's personal success will be shown more in future straight roles, in upcoming films, not VL...It will technically be "out of their rules", regarding VL-show...You know, they're always Germans...I'm joking of course!! However really, don't be sad or upset, I'm sure it'll be an interesting plot to follow, more entertaining for sure compared to the last months, & the good side of it, it's that we don't have to wait anymore to enjoy! Bye-bye
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 18:59:15 GMT -5
From the info in the behind the scenes thread, it seems as though the audience is a conservative one for the most part, and compared to other soaps the audience is a little bit smaller. The writers are a slave to the theory of a "forbidden love" so that takes on many incarnations, incest, homosexuality (as much as it can be considered forbidden nowadays), class differences etc. Can't you access them from daserste.de? granted their not translated, but sonnenschein gives a pretty helpful re-cap when she can. Ahh...Thank you!! Now I know, I was curious to see if VL was bigger than ohers; anyways in this case a strange flavour to this "verbotene"...A sort of conservative "forbidden", now I can understand it better Perhaps it's a little bit forced somehow, so sometimes it seems a little cold-hearted, even if it' supposed to be HOT... Regarding the site, & not knowing German, I clearly didn't have a clue, but thanks to nice people that helps the cause SO MUCH (VIELEN DANKE!),I'll give it a try, thank you again...
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 18:48:25 GMT -5
my knowledge of literature kind of ends where it began - i gotta confess i read to stave off boredom, my biggest affliction - or if i'm forced, like with school - so i only ever really happen on stuff. i'm not erudite and full of intelligent literary parallels and analogies by any stretch of the imagination. so i guess i'll have to trust what you say, as i've never read any austen or wuthering heights. but i think i get what you mean, about the staying power of a story being beyond fluffy romance and more about the engagement of feelings. and i guess tied in with that, the ability of the audience to empathise with the characters. my empathy at the moment is wearing really, really, worryingly thin. i don't necessarily want a traditional true love type story for chrolli. at least not to the exclusion of anything else. because i think to have that on a soap you gotta leave or die - a la grelu. but i don't want rebecca to be the thing that gone and broke them up. because that's just incomprehensible and impossible. so a happy medium is what i'm looking for. if they could add a bit of spice to the SL that would be good. and a prince, or robert, or robert AND a prince would work well for me. so long as it's not The Plank, i'm happy. And i'm not german (can you tell? : but i get the impression from people here and speaking to 'a' german (as an individual opinion) out there in the 'real world' - VL isn't very dark and dangerous. i think it's pretty glossy and 'nice' and i remember someone here saying something once about how they speak like people off the radio speak. i might be wrong though, short attention span. so feel free to correct me. i have no idea about popularity though. you'll have to find a proper german - or just someone cleverer than me.. Hey, didn't mean to get you down or looked like a snob ('cause I'm not), sorry! You know you're golden (as Mika sang once 2! )...It's just that with all this talking about the details of loving-things, it came to my mind that definition of "romantic", & you understood it the right way, for what it's worth. I'm not German either, but my POV is different too, having seen here also Latinos' soaps or ours, more like US' ones...I remember a bit of Brit ones too, & of having thought...whoa, they're so different, they seem more basic, "rural", I don't know exactly how to explain it to you; anyways slightly similar to German soaps sometimes, but also less fable-like... In VL case, perhaps having a different title would suit to it better, besides I've felt that they've put a little of everything in it, without really knowing exactly which way to follow...In all the other cases, the focus is very clear instead! Peace out PS_why don't you think, apart from Prince (Charming) & the new entry, that Becca could break/ have an affair with Chris? It's just 'cause she's the witch/ hated bitch, or in the sense that also you like others are afraid that Christ could fall in love with her?! Don't worry, it's logical nothing really bad will happen!! Even if she will reach out to him, even sleep with him 1 (damned) night, it would be ONLY to spice up a little more the plot: don't you agree?!!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 18:04:12 GMT -5
do you know what i really wish for with chrolli? i want one of them, or either, or both of them to get mixed up in something beyond their control. i want one, or either, or both to show a little darkness to their character. both in seperate ways are capable of doing things which might be morally questionable, when they are pushed. just look at how their relationship started, out of the ruins of another one - at the expense of someone elses emotions and happiness. i think, aside from being an interesting solution, it's the only viable solution, to the nothingness they have become now. they can't stay together and fade into the background, forever happy - get married, adopt a few babies, get a house, build a little life - that's not how soaps work. they probably will, but by rights shouldn't have an interloper like rebecca foisted upon them for the sake of drama. i know it's ridiculous to get this focused on a fictional characters - but i feel like i've wasted near on two years of investment otherwise. so i can't help but wish - they see sense and choose to develop the characters more. my dream scenario would be for one of them to go off the rails for some reason. and that could for me, induce a break up and maybe even out of character shagging around (even with The Plank - as long as it mean nothing) - and for them to become involved in something dark, dangerous, interesting and tragic (drink, drugs, depression - whatever i don't care, as long as it's well written). i want their scenes to be fraught with tension and drama - and i want to see tears, and screaming and shouting - and Acting with a capital A. and i want them to have a reason to love eachother again, and to show that love. i want them to have a reason to reach out to eachother and to reconnect. i want VL production people to give them a chance again - because i'm SO bored of the alternatives. watching AnHel come together was like watching a porno starring your mum and dad, embarrassing, uncomfortable and badly acted. lyseb are dull, dull, DULL. and grelu are fast becoming the vomit-inducing fairytale-with-no-real-purpose. (honestly what has gregor learnt from his time with luise? how have they changed eachother? and what will there legacy be? unlike most supercouples, they barely made a dent on VLs shiny surface). if they gave chrolli a story with an ounce of the drama or depth they've tried to give their other SLs, jo and thore - i am like, 100% certain - would blow all the rest out the water. unless chribecca turns out to be the most scintillating thing since the wheel *(i'm not holding my breath on that one : * i will be wishing that VL production people woke up to what they have until the day the flatshare door closes on chrolli for the very last time. it's such a shame... Hey Johnny, we're on the same wavelength!! ^_^ I was laughing reading your reference to Becca as "the Plank"...On a first moment I didn't understand the mock to her in another of your posts, now it's crystal clear, LOL! ;-D) I assume from your comment that you're able to follow the entire episodes of the show: I can't, so I won't be so presumptuous to judge VL as a whole, but however I could add my very personal feeling, from my perspective. I won't repeat what I've already said in the Wild-S.-section (or before), that's what I've remembered, or struck my immagination in the past...I bet that simply choosing one of the known paths of the 1 thousand stories already told in the past, with some great actors, the writers/producers-team would be perfectly satisfied with the outcome... So, probably, that's simply the way VL-team wants the show to go on...For instance, look at the vlog (even if we've mixed feelings for it): they succeeded in attracting fans over the easy-cheesy assumption of getting even closer to Chrolli, while at the same time they were moving the other way in the show, as a matter of fact, to kill 2 birds with 1 stone...pure GENIUS!! Probably the best thing to do now is not "parlarsi addosso" we say in Italian: not talking over each other too much, regarding this plot, & particularly not having too high expectations for the new plot of Ollian, analyzed deeply ages before the airing... For sure I'm too critic & not enjoying the little given here but, if all will turn out to be in line with the VL-past, it's very likely we'll have simply a sort of temporary break-up of the boys (that it's going to produce rivers of venom-ink here in the forum!! ), with a LITTLE tension, for Becca (obviously NOT-ENDGAME, I'm totally sure! ) & the new man on the horizon to the other side... After this (hopefully) bumpy ride, we'll be at starting point again, with pure Chrolli love...Take it or leave it. This because it's not the kind of soap that likes to mess really up with audience's waitings & prefixed focuses. The fact that they love to drag slow the stories (see Rebecca's 1), is like a personal signature, it means nothing more than that this: is their reassuring style, they also don't change very often plots, pace & characters... (I'm still sad about Olivia too, more than Judith, as an interesting personality with a naughty loveable zest for VL! ) Ok, now it's left just to seat & watch what's in store for us. Ciao PS_do you remember that Foo Fighters' song, called LONG WAY TO RUN?! Especially the video?? I was cracking up after rewatching that videoclip, after all these soaps' chats...If you don't know it, please have a look, it's EPIC!!! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 17:29:25 GMT -5
Danke, Nanna and tihkon! Since this is a slow day (weekend and all), I thought you guys might be interested in drTOMsmile's attempt to make a video cartoon starring the gay dudes of daytime TV... and who else would be the main lead other than Christian and Olli? (and someone else from VL that I won't be revealing ) This is a great effort! Ciao Mitsaso...Grazie!! It was so effing HILARIOUS, evil Becca & Suxnatural boyz (1 of my fav...I luv outer-of-this-world-dark-stories 2!! ) just made my night...(I've a friend that loves Dennis/ Roman 2, but I don't follow them)...So, round of applause for the humour+skill of this cartoonist!!
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Post by stregatta on Jan 17, 2010 16:58:03 GMT -5
oh i know fanfiction sucks you in... believe me... but, i just can't read it anymore! it's like being clean for a couple of years - nothing will tempt me back... except for hot pristian konningsbrunn kitchen table sexy time... maybe... and plus, it's not the same reading about german characters speaking in english... i'm funny like that! oh and dh lawrence - i'm a secret fan - i got forced to read the virgin and the gipsy for gcse eng lit - i say 'forced', i kinda enjoyed it after a while, actually borrowed lady chatterly's lover off my sister one boring, long caravan holiday after that.. haha - i could totally see christian as the sexy, powerful, lower class, monosyllabic, grease smeared, fantasy-fulfilling, lawrence anti-hero... the idea of him being secretly spied on by some removed upper class, fragile princey character as he does his masterful, shirtless horse training late one stormy night at konnigsbrunn stables... that's totally worth a mini chrolli break up for... OMG if it was hilarious...& hot!! I've done a good amount of Literature stuff (you know quite a large part of it has got a homo-theme background too....Perhaps that's the reason I wasn't "so impressed" by gays' love film/tv fiction); moreover I was just thinking how certain stories could be still so powerful & strong, even in modern times...Something evergreen like "Wuthering Heights" x inst., IMO is more romantic than the acclaimed J.Austen's books itselves... Lots of people think that "the fairytales' kind of romance" is the big thng, but IMO the core-concept of the original word "ROMANTIC" should had been linked to the struggle of feelings within the characters & towards them...Something more like "Cupid & Psyche" I'd dare to say; unfortunately very little in common with "I luv u!" "I luv u even more!!" with candles+flowers+beach of too many today's trash soaps (...don't worry, I've left out the horses for your X-rated fantasies! ;D)...However, also fables always have a dark-counterpart within them, to balance the plot, no way VL manages to cut this aspect off their stories! At this point it depends on how many fans want to be cuddled within the traditional love-idea, or instead how many are tempted by a more adult topic...Speaking of which, if someone know the popularity of German soaps, has VL got a great audience?? (apart from the Chrolli's phenomenon? ) Anyways, before watching VL, I was thinking it was supposed to be a show with "dangerous subjects": now I'm not so sure, in the end it seems more traditional than other more conservative soaps... Bye
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Post by stregatta on Jan 15, 2010 22:21:36 GMT -5
i agree - they need a new challenge. i just don't see The Plank as it. i don't even care about the 'passion' anymore, i would literally just be happy with a decently written scene for them to be the focus of. i *HATE* the vlog. i think it's an excuse for them not to get proper SLs. and while i appreciate what they are trying to do - giving up their time (not that it's spent usefully elsewhere on VL : and effort to produce a weekly video - it feels a bit half arsed to me. like jo and thore are clocking on to perform a little bait piece to keep the fans hanging on. i've got the same view on the kissing, in the vlog and on the show. they could spend the entire vlog face to face, tonguing eachother and it wouldn't mean anything to me. because while i think they have great chemistry and portray chrolli really well - it wasn't just that i tuned in for. i liked the platform and status they were given. and the stories that were told. and on the show it's got to the point where, sometimes i think when they sense chrolli fans' interest dwindling, they'll have a mini two arc fight with a little tease make up at the end to keep us guessing. hoping for more than the crumbs they give out now. that's what i expect now when i see them in the spoilers having some kind of fight. and it was great the first two times they used the technique. but now it's like *yawn* and....?! anything else.....?! when i feel very, very low about VL and feiler (i don't like her one bit) - i sometimes think i would rather she just did what she clearly wants to do, ripped the band aid off, stopped fannying about trying to keep the fan base and just broke chrolli up. so jo and thore could be freed up to get great scenes, and one day in the future, under a better, more talented, thoughtful head writer they could be brought back together. but then i don't trust VL to provide for jo and thore even if chrolli do seperate - i think at best it would be one or the other who flourished post-chrolli, and that almost makes me glad they're sort of trapped in this pretty little gilded cage that is chrolli nowadays. it's quite sad... Can I jump where you're & give you a big comforting hug right now?! LOL!! 'cause it's exactly how I was feeling/thinking writing this post...Amen to all you've said. I didn't dare to say something regarding the vlog,'cause I know the majority of fans are addicted to "those crumbs", & also 'cuse I really sincerely appreciated the effort of the actors for us... Anyways, since we aren't children who want to go to see the the musical-sort-of-event, after having seen a successful movie...I'd have preferred a good straight-to-the-point story, that the parody of what once was a perfect plot... & obviously, I'm still not so used to the German-kind of soaps: in ours nobody waits 1 year (45 minutes long ep.?!) to watch the couple of the story to get together & marry...there's a quicker change of pace/ characters, I swear you never know if a good character turns bad, dies or even will have the happy-end...That's what I call drama! But nevertheless I respect all the diffeences & accept them. All in all, since some other fan gets even angry if you only dare to wish for a big challenge in Ollian's plot, or is upset about the haircut, it's better to stay ...So fingers crossed for future VL!! Cheers, bye-bye
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Post by stregatta on Jan 15, 2010 17:43:14 GMT -5
Can I call it "FORBIDDEN BOREDOM" please?! ;-P) Sorry, but really these days I feel like the boyz are "guest-stars" for the others' plot... Or rather, are we only supposed to talk about their new haircut, or how bad it's supposed to be the fall of an expensive dj-set, aren't we ?! ;-D)
Last but not least, I'm the only one to have had the impression of Jo & Thore being kind of "more relaxed" in their roles, improvising?? Knowing that they have, no matter what, this incredible fan-base..& for inst., in the vlog, it seems that they don't even act, they almost show off more of their personalities-out of characters...At least compared to the very first clip.
Jo-the debonair clown, Thore the more shy & brooding of the couple of friends; oops, perhaps since I haven't got more elements nowadays to watch, I'm reading too much into the lines, but overall this has been my impression regarding the acting itself...They seem to be friends not lovers, I don't feel "the vibe" those days, so welcome to a little shake to the situation, IMO.
At the beginning, they looked more natural, less "stereotyped" in their roles: I felt to have a special connection to the soul-core of the characters, not anymore...Now I perfectly know what to expect from a scene with them, but it's not the same as before. Anyways, I'm so desperate to see this new story for them, I'm really hopeful this could change this bad trend; 'cause the thing I really can't bear (honestly, way more than Chribecca!), it's the subtle inner change of characters...That bothers me more than anything else: lacking of space/quality time in the show, kisses less/more passionate, possible threats on the horizon, blah-blah-blah...
Ok, sorry for being impatient to wait, but it's difficult even to stay tuned & follow a story this way, you know. Ciao*
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