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Post by HQ75 on Mar 20, 2019 14:11:49 GMT -5
What is the basis of the rumor? Who is the source? Is there a link to a news story or blog post we can read? Thanks.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 16, 2019 18:28:30 GMT -5
This thread is supposed to be about discussing the TV show SKAM that is all. General political discussions should be taken to the "Off Topic" thread where you can discuss whatever you want to. Its not fair to the folks who just want to talk about what is actually happening on the show(s) to have to wade through pages of political diatribe and aggressive posturing and language. This is not the place for that and you are actively choosing to ruin an experience for folks by not practicing even the most modest modicum of restraint. The WWW is full of politics discussion boards.
This board has always been a place where folks dig deep about the characters, their motivations, the writing, casting, acting, etc. Ii is a board about fictional gay male characters, not a place for folks to come slag off real life humans or drag the viewers of the show.
You have Twitter, Tumbler, Facebook, Reddit, Instagram et al if you want to engage in random acts of insults about whomever, to whomever. Of, as I suggested, you can go to the "Off Topic' thread on this board to flail against the whoever at your heart's content.
The beauty of this board has always been that its mission is very simple: Come to TGODT to talk about male gay/bi characters on TV, web series, streaming shows. Specifically.
Everything else should be discussed somewhere else.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 12, 2019 22:18:35 GMT -5
The rules of discussion that have guided this forum for most of the 11 years I have participated here have apparently been completely ignored in the Skam thread either because folks have not read them or do not care. There also appears to be NO moderation.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 9, 2019 5:31:47 GMT -5
Today's extract of Scam France has the muslim character Imane says: "If you ever hear someone using religion to justify their hate, don't listen to them because it's a lie. Hate doesn't come from religion it comes from fear. It's the worst poison, this and ignorance." -this is word for word exactly the same as Sana said to Isaac in the Norwegian Skam. This is nonsense and it's a lie. Religion ( judaism, chrisitianity and islam) is the source and fountainhead of homophobia in western societies, and to pretend otherwise prevents us tackling the problem as gay/lesbians. If we cannot call out the vile bigotry of religious ideology then we cannot end homophobia. Homophobia in Europe and the USA is whipped up by religion not reduced by it. You can always find a religious connection between the worst homophobes and religion. And it's always the most religious who oppose gay/lesbian equality. I say this now because today a school in Birmingham, England, has withdrawn its lessons on LGBT acceptance because 400 Muslim parents petitioned against it. As at the moment of writing the eventual outcome of this situation is unknown- but this anti gay bigotry cannot be allowed to succeed. So it's a little rich for the writers of Skam to be portraying islam, or indeed any of the Abrahamic religions, as NOT being responsible for creating hatred against gays!! History: Within a few decades of the Emperor Constantine making Christianity the state religion of the Roman Empire, in 330AD the death penalty was introduced as a punishment for homosexual acts. Most Muslim countries and the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) have opposed moves to advance LGBT rights at the United Nations, in the General Assembly or the UNHRC. In May 2016, a group of 51 Muslim states blocked 11 gay and transgender organizations from attending 2016 High Level Meeting on Ending AIDS Whether what you are saying is right or wrong, I don't think this forum is the right place to post this. This forum should feel welcoming to everyone who wants to talk about Skam even if they are religious. I am not religious and I am not offended but it feels like you are trying to start something. It's just A LOT.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 9, 2019 5:22:52 GMT -5
So people, the overexcited females over at Tumblr have been collectively wetting themselves at the mere thought that the love interest of Druck's Matteo would be a trans-'boy'. What do you all think about that one? Personally I would find it a disgraceful butchering of the Isak archetype. Saddling a gay boy with some female playing at being a guy? Ye gods what a letdown that would be. Seriously dude you picked this MOST offensive way to ask that question.
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Post by HQ75 on Mar 4, 2019 11:14:57 GMT -5
Again. they are teenagers. The majority of what Lucas thought was all in his head. There was no basis in reality for his fear regarding his immediate surrounds. He is not the only gay male kid at his school. True friends forgive each other particularly when it comes to highly emotional situations and the truth is in order to keep his secret Lucas spent nearly a month lying to his friends every day about his feelings, his whereabouts, what was happening in his life and the person closest to Lucas is Yann and he bore the brunt of all the lying and secrecy plus constantly having to stand up for Lucas and smooth situations Lucas created with his roller-coaster of emotions, erratic behavior and aggression. Obviously for this forum the sole focus is on Lucas and his feelings but the people around Lucas are whole people, not just sounding boards for Lucas. HE also needs to acknowledge how his behavior has effected his friendship with Yann.
Both boys clearly love each other a great deal. At the end of the day that is what matters. They are teenagers. They get to make emotional mistakes and not have them dictate the rest of their life. That is kinda what SKAM is about. Yann doesn't have to be a flawless human to be a good friend.
Having said that I am glad this hurdle is over for Lucas. Elliot or no Elliot, Lucas needs to find peace within himself and trust his friends before he can be any good to another boy.
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Yann might just be hurt he was "the last" to know and needed a day to processed his feelings. He is ALSO a hormone raging emotional teenager who seems to be very sensitive to Lucas feelings. It is also possible Yann when to kick Elliot's arse. We will soon find out. I don't like snap judgement in any case. It took years for Lucas to even admit to himself he is gay and he is still working on accepting it so I think Yann can have a day or so to taking in this completely new information about his best friend. I love Manon and Mika's way of supporting Lucas but not letting him deceive himself. He needs that kind of straight up support. Love it. Also I have always loved in all iterations that Lucas had a close gay friend whom he isn't dating because that is often where tv shows fail with coming out stories. Gays and lesbians need to support each other, straight allies are great but there is something very special about gays and lesbians bonding.
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 25, 2019 17:08:11 GMT -5
Whether or not gay characters exist and whether or not they are the kind of gay characters we want are two different things. Also The CW is broadcast TV. You can't compare it to cable or streaming services. In the US, what you can and cannot get away with on cable/streaming versus regular broadcast is extremely different.
It's just not factually accurate to say the CW doesn't have gay male representation. Just objectively speaking in terms of numbers.
The ONLY broadcast channel that fully embraces the sexuality of its gay male characters has always been ABC.
I won't make assumptions about why which channel writes the way it does or shows what it does. Hetererosexism and homophobia pervade all media.
I find nearly all depictions of gay male characters sexual interactions to be inconsistent, chaste and lacking on broadcast media.
Surprising, Days of Our Lives (a daily show that is aired during the day in the U.S.) has had the most consistently comparatively explicit sexual scenes between male characters on US broadcast TV.
It is important to recognize the progress while also wanting more parity. They are not mutually exclusive. European TV is all around more explicit in all things on its broadcast channels so it's not really a fair comparison.
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 25, 2019 16:53:15 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 23, 2019 23:40:24 GMT -5
I think with the WB/CW there is more than just "an" exception to the rule. They may not have the sexiest gay male characters (which is important and a valid area for critique give how much sex is an important factor for CW shows) but they gave us gay characters on ensemble shows who had a real impact on TV from Dawnson's Creek to reboots of 90210 and Melrose Place and Dynasty, Roswell (all with major gay male characters in front burner storylines)Carrie Diaries, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. They also include gay characters in their genre shows (Originals, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Flash, Supernatural, The 100 etc) who have a major impact on the storylines (whether they are lead characters or not). These may not be the gay characters folks always want but they exist and have had huge fan bases AND their existence has paved the road for more diversity in the kinds gay male representation targeted at young/young adult viewers.
As with all broadcast networks the issue is always going to be how brave the writers and actors are in depicting genuine love, sex, intimacy, affection between two men in the course of telling whatever gay-inclusive story they want to tell.
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 19, 2019 14:29:45 GMT -5
It has been bugging me where I've seen Nathan Dean before (Max) and I finally remembered to look him up. He played Lafayette's boyfriend in the last season of True Blood (a vampire fairy or something). They were so cute together. The actor also wrote a lovely message about Nelsan Ellis (Lafayette) when he died.
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and HQ75 Rock Star what is your opinion about Mika and his behaviour? I think Mika is a reflection of how some young folks actually are.Sassy and sharp-tongued is not a crime. There are all kinds of gay folks and boys like him are just part of us. It's called diversity. To be honest, I'd rather interact with someone who doesn't hold his tongue than someone who is a pushover.Lukas could use a bit more back bone to be honest. But that is also part of being a young adult and folks grow out of the need to constantly attack before being attacked when they get more comfortable in their skin. A lot of young gays and lesbians have had to develop certain coping mechanisms in order to survive and not be stepped on. They are brash and overly sexual to counteract the fact that society is always trying to make them feel afraid and ashamed. Anyway, I just don't think we need to use the same homophobic language frat boys used against gay men to talk about them among ourselves. There is nothing wrong with be flamboyant, or sassy, or sharp tongued or ready to read someone to filth at a moments noticed if it is called for. It is just one way to be and I'm sure Mika has other sides to him that we aren't seeing because he isn't the focus. I am also much older than both characters so I have the advantage of life experience. Homophobes don't care if a gay man is flamboyant as a peacock or dull as Mr. Rogers. They hate the gay regardless of how it manifests. We don't have to help them.
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 11, 2019 11:54:33 GMT -5
View AttachmentIs it just me or is the flamboyant gay character Mika, (the french skam version of Eskild), the most disgusting, vile, horrible, loud & rude, obnoxious, fukcing f*g**t that you could ever meet? Everytime he appears I just want to punch his lights out, and to chuck Lucas out of his room cos his girly friend has reappeared is just the most appalling behaviour. Someone kick the bastard in the balls, please Can you please ease up on the language you are using to describe Mika. I get that we can all be passionate about fictional characters here and have strong opinions but I'm finding your use of language regarding a gay character to be super offensive. Whether your like him or not and whether you relate to him or not, there is no need to use the language of the oppressor to express those feelings. Most of us are gay here. Doesn't mean we get to just fling all kinds of gay slurs. Just my opinion.
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 31, 2019 21:29:16 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 25, 2019 21:53:42 GMT -5
Season 2 Full Episodes Have Been Uploaded By The Creator on Youtube
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 25, 2019 19:05:47 GMT -5
There is no way Ben would not be gay and there was nothing in the spoilers or articles to imply he wouldn't be gay. Lola has always been Ben's biggest supporter of him coming out. She is the one to tell him to his face that he was gay and she would support him. He has a child, that is just a reality and I'm glad the show is finally acknowledging Ben and Lola's daughter. Also really great recast. Close enough to Harry to not be distracting. I'm excited well it has happened before, he came out before and when he returned with Harry Reid playing Ben had to come out all over again You are ignoring all the massive changes that have happened to Ben. He has experience real love from an out gay man. He developed friendships. His mother came back from the dead. He is out to all of Walford. He is not the same scared, scarred, abused, closeted teenager desperately needing someone to love him and deathly afraid of being rejected by the one parent he sill had living. You can't just pretend the last 4 years never happened to Ben. He's an adult now. It got better.
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 24, 2019 21:39:27 GMT -5
There is no way Ben would not be gay and there was nothing in the spoilers or articles to imply he wouldn't be gay. Lola has always been Ben's biggest supporter of him coming out. She is the one to tell him to his face that he was gay and she would support him. He has a child, that is just a reality and I'm glad the show is finally acknowledging Ben and Lola's daughter. Also really great recast. Close enough to Harry to not be distracting. I'm excited
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 24, 2019 21:35:00 GMT -5
Does any one know is the story already over with Billy and Paul? The storyline with Billy and Paul is ongoing.
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 23, 2019 21:18:19 GMT -5
London Irish (2013 series): Episode 2 "Wee Frankie and the Funeral" (Full Episode available on Youtube] One of the four co-leads Conor (Kerr Logan) can't remember what he did in a drunken haze the previous night - it turns out he got intimate with his sister's boyfriend, James (played by Josh O'Connor, star of God's Own Country). This is James's only appearance in the series, which itself only lasted six episodes. Conor's sexuality is never addressed beyond this episode; he even marries a woman in a subsequent episode and his best friend Packy (who knew about Conor and James) never brings it up. (Coincidentally, Packy is played by Peter Campion, who has his own gay pedigree: he went on to play one of the gay "kissing cousins" on the EastEnders spin-off, Redwater.) Peter Campion also played Pavel's boyfriend on "Raw" set in Dublin
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 22, 2019 20:09:18 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Jan 15, 2019 17:19:00 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 23, 2018 16:00:13 GMT -5
I love Jip. He's so lovely.
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 17, 2018 23:03:36 GMT -5
I can't ever figure out what Season the show is in or where to find clips of Cyrus and TJ. LOL Very vexing.
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 17, 2018 22:55:38 GMT -5
Regarding Teen Wolf,
I never understood why folks accused Teen Wolf of gay-baiting when it had multiple gay/bi relationships in every season. Gay-baiting is hinting at gay stuff that never actually happens on screen. That isn't a fair assessment of Teen Wolf.
The show had 6 gay/bi male characters over the course of its run but folks were only interested in Danny (who was great but not a main character) and the possibility of Styles (canonically straight) being in love with Derek (also canonically straight). It was like folks obsession with fanfic invaded the actual series.
Lucas, Ethan, Danny, Corey, Jackson, Brett, Mason were all actual gay/bi characters who had a love interest on the show.
The main storylines were always going to be about Scott, Styles and their families/love interests but for a show folks accused of gay-baiting, that's a lot of actual gay/bi romance going on on screen.
Actual gay and bi teens who were romantically involved. For some reason the overwhelming majority of loudest fans cared more about the pretend Styles/Derek ship.
The whole thing was bizarre, IMHO.
With Riverdale There is genuine reason for fans to be outraged because not only is Kevin an out gay character on the show in season 1 and STILL has yet to have a real, on screen love life, but in the comics, he has his OWN storyline and he has multiple boyfriends and he's very out and proud. There is literally no reason for Kevin on Riverdale to have to cruise the woods or beg and plead for Moose to be with him. He's gorgeous and out and has friends and a supportive dad and every teenager on the show is doing all the kinds of sex and relationships (including the lesbian characters ) but somehow Kevin's love life is tortured and chaste.
It's unforgivable.
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Post by HQ75 on Nov 17, 2018 21:01:05 GMT -5
For those who never got to see the full storyline someone has started to reupload it
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