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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 7, 2019 12:18:49 GMT -5
I guess this is as good a time as any to start a thread for the latest PLL spin-off, The Perfectionists, since they wrapped production today. The books on which the show is based was not a PLL spin-off, but the TV show has integrated two PLL characters into the main cast and, more importantly, changed one of the main gang of girls into a gay boy, Dylan - played by newcomer Eli Brown. His casting call described him as "A prodigious cellist who used his passion for music to escape his small-minded hometown, Dylan loves his music almost as much as he loves his boyfriend, Andrew. (And even that’s up for debate.)" His book counterpart, who was also a cellist, held a grudge against the murder victim Nolan for tricking her into sending him nude photos to win a bet. Another major thread in the books was her having a crush on her best friend's boyfriend, which he reciprocated - I'm not sure if either of these can/will be replicated in the TV show. http://instagr.am/p/Bs4YO2rhTWr On the right in the next photo is his boyfriend Andrew - played by Evan Bittencourt. He is described as "the supportive and well-adjusted boyfriend of Dylan, who’s successfully navigating the world of the Perfectionists – for now." The supporting role was originally played by Jacques Colimon in the pilot but was recast when the show went into production. http://instagr.am/p/BsyTqrcBBPe The Perfectionists should premiere on Freeform later this year. I don't know if was posted or not but here is the new spin off from Pretty Little Liars Pretty Little Liars: The Perfectionists “Pretty Little Liars: The Perfectionists,” is based on the popular book series “The Perfectionists,” Everything about the town of Beacon Heights seems perfect, from their top-tier college to their overachieving residents, but nothing in Beacon Heights is as it appears to be. The stress of needing to be perfect leads to the town’s first murder. Behind every Perfectionist is a secret, a lie and a needed alibi. Pretty Little Liars: The Perfectionists | Official Trailer | Freeform Brand New Trailer | Pretty Little Liars: The Perfectionists | Coming March 20 Dylan Wright (Eli Brown)  Dylan has boyfriend Andrew Andrew (Evan Bittencourt)  one of the guys I think is Dylan  |
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Post by dmagiclight on Feb 9, 2019 13:39:07 GMT -5
I am getting to the point when ever A new series adds Gay/Bi male characters I just roll my eyes and think why?
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 9, 2019 16:52:54 GMT -5
Right now it doesn't make sense unless you really want to do something with the character, specially when you have Netflix that shows you how you can use a gay character on a storyline.
I have to say that when it comes to teen characters it sounds good on paper when they are already out and have a boyfriend, but in the end usually means they don't get a coming out storyline and a first love storyline, which generally means way less air time and way less development of character.
But hey, we have a good bunch of pretty bad gay storylines from gay writers so this only can be a positive surprise (or not suprise at all)
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Post by mizuryuu on Feb 11, 2019 12:43:06 GMT -5
yah, we don't get the usual storylines, but haven't most of us been complaining that every show feels the same since they repeat the same storyline of coming out and first love?
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 11, 2019 15:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by drucillan on Feb 11, 2019 20:55:41 GMT -5
Damn it. I'm gonna have to watch this show. I was planing on avoiding seeing as I got bored of PLL in season 4. But I just saw that Sophia Carson photo above. And now I can't not watch it.
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Post by kevvoi on Feb 11, 2019 20:59:51 GMT -5
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 11, 2019 21:24:38 GMT -5
I looked for one and could not find one |
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 11, 2019 21:30:44 GMT -5
I looked for one and could not find one I put the two together so we can use this one I changed the name and moved the first post to the top |
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Post by paulojrmam on Feb 12, 2019 8:25:19 GMT -5
Is this show standalone? Because I'm far from finishing PLL and I wonder if it'll have spoilers or if I can watch both at the same time.
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Post by justinate on Feb 20, 2019 12:33:57 GMT -5
Is this show standalone? Because I'm far from finishing PLL and I wonder if it'll have spoilers or if I can watch both at the same time. I'm not sure how separate it will be but they will have to reference PLL characters since two of them are regular cast members in this, although they didn't appear in the novels from which this show was adapted. I'm cautiously optimistic, Dylan seems to be very much a main character (not a Kevin from Riverdale) and there's a pretty steamy sex scene between the gay couple - which makes up for the bad job Freeform is doing with Good Trouble. It's a sad day when the CW, whose executives seem to be more terrified of two men in love than anything else, actually outdoes your network in the portrayal of a male same-sex romance. http://instagram.com/p/BuFsl0shfFf |
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Post by overtherainbow on Feb 22, 2019 6:04:50 GMT -5
Is this show standalone? Because I'm far from finishing PLL and I wonder if it'll have spoilers or if I can watch both at the same time. I'm not sure how separate it will be but they will have to reference PLL characters since two of them are regular cast members in this, although they didn't appear in the novels from which this show was adapted. I'm cautiously optimistic, Dylan seems to be very much a main character (not a Kevin from Riverdale) and there's a pretty steamy sex scene between the gay couple - which makes up for the bad job Freeform is doing with Good Trouble. It's a sad day when the CW, whose executives seem to be more terrified of two men in love than anything else, actually outdoes your network in the portrayal of a male same-sex romance. http://instagr.am/p/BuFsl0shfFf What's sad is that the CW has never had an issue showing lesbian intimacy. The issue only seems to arise when it's about two men. |
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Post by mrfixit477 on Feb 22, 2019 12:49:13 GMT -5
CW Has Roswell NM Micheal and Alex already made love 3 episode and a kiss in the pilot
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Post by paulojrmam on Feb 22, 2019 15:02:54 GMT -5
But many CW superhero shows have lesbian characters in the main cast. But never male gays.
I think Freeform treated the male gays decently in that terrible show, Shadowhunters.
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Post by overtherainbow on Feb 22, 2019 18:15:38 GMT -5
CW Has Roswell NM Micheal and Alex already made love 3 episode and a kiss in the pilot There's always an exception to the rule. That show is the first time in a very long time where the gays actually get a storyline and where they get to be intimate. |
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Post by nlklinh on Feb 22, 2019 21:28:14 GMT -5
CW Has Roswell NM Micheal and Alex already made love 3 episode and a kiss in the pilot Well, RoswellNM was a surpirse gift CW had for us after years treating gay storylines like shit. I had my doubt (as always when it comes to gay storylines and CW) but after ep 1,2, they really shooked me with Malex's so fingers crossed for this show. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Feb 23, 2019 5:38:08 GMT -5
CW Has Roswell NM Micheal and Alex already made love 3 episode and a kiss in the pilot Well, RoswellNM was a surpirse gift CW had for us after years treating gay storylines like shit. I had my doubt (as always when it comes to gay storylines and CW) but after ep 1,2, they really shooked me with Malex's so fingers crossed for this show. You know who DIDN'T come up with this show? Greg Berlanti. You know who has most of the shows on The CW? Greg Berlanti. I'm not saying the blame is solely his fault, but I have noticed a common thread on all his shows, mainly that he doesn't give a sh*t about gay storylines. Lesbian storylines? Fine. Gay storylines however he either doesn't want to include at all or he refuses to give his gay characters anything to do, which includes a love life. |
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 23, 2019 14:47:11 GMT -5
Well, you don't blame him but i do.
There's certain pattern with some gay writers and producers and they seem to have some inferiority complex and don't want to upset straight male viewers (Spartacus writer had no problem with that and the guy was straight).
Quantico had one of the most homophobic storylines in season one (the gay character was a traitor and a coward, the fake gay character was a hero, even it didn't make any sense why he was faking being gay), curiously the head writer was openly gay.
At least Berlanti hires gay actors, nobody can deny that.
And yes, Roswell is a nice exception, but i don't hold my breath, one of the characters is bisexual so the opporunities to screw up the gay storyline are very very high
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 23, 2019 23:40:24 GMT -5
I think with the WB/CW there is more than just "an" exception to the rule. They may not have the sexiest gay male characters (which is important and a valid area for critique give how much sex is an important factor for CW shows) but they gave us gay characters on ensemble shows who had a real impact on TV from Dawnson's Creek to reboots of 90210 and Melrose Place and Dynasty, Roswell (all with major gay male characters in front burner storylines)Carrie Diaries, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. They also include gay characters in their genre shows (Originals, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Flash, Supernatural, The 100 etc) who have a major impact on the storylines (whether they are lead characters or not). These may not be the gay characters folks always want but they exist and have had huge fan bases AND their existence has paved the road for more diversity in the kinds gay male representation targeted at young/young adult viewers.
As with all broadcast networks the issue is always going to be how brave the writers and actors are in depicting genuine love, sex, intimacy, affection between two men in the course of telling whatever gay-inclusive story they want to tell.
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Post by justinate on Feb 24, 2019 1:45:53 GMT -5
I think with the WB/CW there is more than just "an" exception to the rule. They may not have the sexiest gay male characters (which is important and a valid area for critique give how much sex is an important factor for CW shows) but they gave us gay characters on ensemble shows who had a real impact on TV from Dawnson's Creek to reboots of 90210 and Melrose Place and Dynasty, Roswell (all with major gay male characters in front burner storylines)Carrie Diaries, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. They also include gay characters in their genre shows (Originals, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Flash, Supernatural, The 100 etc) who have a major impact on the storylines (whether they are lead characters or not). These may not be the gay characters folks always want but they exist and have had huge fan bases AND their existence has paved the road for more diversity in the kinds gay male representation targeted at young/young adult viewers. As with all broadcast networks the issue is always going to be how brave the writers and actors are in depicting genuine love, sex, intimacy, affection between two men in the course of telling whatever gay-inclusive story they want to tell. I tend to believe there is a problem with the current crop of CW executives who are afraid of depicting gay intimacy on screen - either due to personal homophobia or they fear losing straight viewers if it gets "too gay". Maybe gay showrunners and writers are also afraid of being labelled perverts who are fulfilling their personal fantasies (you only have to look at the backlash against soap writers who are gay: if they write a shirtless scene for their actors, they're immediately accused of salivating over them whereas straight female or male writers don't face even 1% of the scrutiny for stripping actors of the opposite gender). The problem with the CW in recent years is that gay male characters have, by and large, been marginalized and neutered. Apart from Roswell, NM, Dynasty was doing alright for a hot minute before they unceremoniously wrote out the gay son. I don't think the gay representation on their genre shows is anything to write home about. They seriously smack of tokenism - reiterating the old chestnut that gay men don't belong on sci-fi shows. They are not lead characters (in any sense) and have no love lives worth mentioning. I don't dispute that the CW (or rather its predecessor the WB) did break some important ground in the (distant) past but Dawson's Creek ended sixteen years ago. How long can they rest on those laurels? 90210, Melrose Place and Carrie Diaries also ended some time ago - and while 90210 belatedly gave Trevor Donovan's character more to do, I honestly can't even remember who the gay character in the Melrose Place reboot was, whereas Carrie Diaries gave us the unhappily familiar trope of depicting the gay character in bed with a girl but never a boy. Oh, and the gay character on Crazy Ex-Girlfriend has been demoted to "special guest star" appearances on its final season. |
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Post by overtherainbow on Feb 24, 2019 9:54:39 GMT -5
I think with the WB/CW there is more than just "an" exception to the rule. They may not have the sexiest gay male characters (which is important and a valid area for critique give how much sex is an important factor for CW shows) but they gave us gay characters on ensemble shows who had a real impact on TV from Dawnson's Creek to reboots of 90210 and Melrose Place and Dynasty, Roswell (all with major gay male characters in front burner storylines)Carrie Diaries, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend. They also include gay characters in their genre shows (Originals, Arrow, Legends of Tomorrow, Flash, Supernatural, The 100 etc) who have a major impact on the storylines (whether they are lead characters or not). These may not be the gay characters folks always want but they exist and have had huge fan bases AND their existence has paved the road for more diversity in the kinds gay male representation targeted at young/young adult viewers. As with all broadcast networks the issue is always going to be how brave the writers and actors are in depicting genuine love, sex, intimacy, affection between two men in the course of telling whatever gay-inclusive story they want to tell. Wow, we have a seriously different outlook on all the show you mention. The Carrie Diaries? The gay male characters didn't get a sex scene while the lesbian characters did. Again, the writer treated the gay male characters like shit and the show is dead to me. I will never forgive them for what they did to them. Dynasty? Are you talking about the reboot? Because the writer actually managed to fire one half of the gay couple which means the other half has nothing to do since his husband is nowhere to be seen. That means they can get away with never having to show anything gay, very convenient if you ask me. Originals? The gay male werewolf was killed off. So again, not the best example. Arrow? The gay character there is nowhere to be seen. Legends of Tomorrow? Same. These show have no issue with lesbians but I am talking about gay male characters, which is a whole different story. Flash? Had a gay character for about an episode. Supernatural? Same. The 100? The gay male characters weren't allowed to kiss while the lesbians both got to kiss and have a love life. Sorry, but I highly disagree with what you say that it's better to have a barely there and neutered gay character than no gay character at all. I find the characterization of these gay characters actually so insulting and offensive I'd rather they didn't do it at all. You blame the network, yet it's weird because the network didn't seem to have any issue with showing gay male intimacy between Alex and Michael on Roswell. That excuse just doesn't cut it with me. It's clearly not the network's fault, it's the writers for these shows who are borderline homophobic with their portrayal of gay men. It pisses me off so much that I don't have much hope for any of their shows. Greg Berlanti is dead to me after treating Kevin like shit for three seasons. The lesbians on the other hand get plenty of screen time. Whatever, like I said I just don't care about him or any of his shows anymore. I know if he had anything to do with a show with a supposed gay storyline I just won't bother with it at all because I know he'll always find a way to fuck it up. The only reason I am more optimistic about PLL: The Perefectionists is because I know Greg Berlanti had nothing to do with it, which gives me hope. There's no risk for him to fuck up another gay storyline. Again, the issue is clearly not with the network but with the writers and show creators. |
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Post by jjose712 on Feb 24, 2019 15:04:37 GMT -5
I don't need a gay character to watch a show, but if there's a gay character i want a full character (we are not in the 90's anymore).
For me that doesn't mean a sex scene or even a love life, it means being treated like the rest of characters.
Spartacus killed its two gay characters on first season (i don't think the bury the gays were on trend back then) and i though, that's what you get for praising a show on gay media, but the truth is a lot of beloved straight characters died in the first season. And the writer brought more gay characters in every season, and in the end even a couple survived the end of the show.
Greg Berlanti seems a nice guy, and as i say he gives work to a good bunch of gay actors, but the cast of Love, Simon shows clearly what i say, the three love interest were gay or bi actors, but the main character was played by a straight one.
I got tired of shows that want the promo on gay media without deliver anything. Specially when you have shows like Skam or Élite that are able to put the gay characters front and center.
It's curious but when i read that a show has a gay head writer i lost my hope that show brings a decent gay storyline (i'm talking of american shows, in europe it's different)
And Berlanti is far from the worst offender
At this time token gay characters should be a thing of the past. If you want gay characters without showing anything about them you can write a gay background character but of course with that you can't promote your show on the gay media, or pretend it's a gay friendly show
It's not like shows like Shameless or Sex Education don't have problems in their portray of their gay characters but at least they have real gay characters. And frankly the CW doesn't have an excuse because it's main audience doens't have a problem with a gay storyline
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Post by paulojrmam on Feb 25, 2019 12:28:06 GMT -5
I also hate gay characters being treated unequally and lesbian couples being allowed. One particularly egregious example for me was Black Sails, where the main character was gay but was only shown giving two very chaste kisses whereas a lot of lesbian characters had steamy scenes. The 100? The gay male characters weren't allowed to kiss while the lesbians both got to kiss and have a love life. Brian and Miller did kiss once. Then Brian was written out because the actor was working at another show called Beyond. Miller and his new boyfriend Jackson also kissed. They aren't important, and the lesbian and bi women are better treated, but I don't think they're that badly mistreated in The 100, no. |
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Post by HQ75 on Feb 25, 2019 17:08:11 GMT -5
Whether or not gay characters exist and whether or not they are the kind of gay characters we want are two different things.
Also The CW is broadcast TV. You can't compare it to cable or streaming services. In the US, what you can and cannot get away with on cable/streaming versus regular broadcast is extremely different.
It's just not factually accurate to say the CW doesn't have gay male representation. Just objectively speaking in terms of numbers.
The ONLY broadcast channel that fully embraces the sexuality of its gay male characters has always been ABC.
I won't make assumptions about why which channel writes the way it does or shows what it does. Hetererosexism and homophobia pervade all media.
I find nearly all depictions of gay male characters sexual interactions to be inconsistent, chaste and lacking on broadcast media.
Surprising, Days of Our Lives (a daily show that is aired during the day in the U.S.) has had the most consistently comparatively explicit sexual scenes between male characters on US broadcast TV.
It is important to recognize the progress while also wanting more parity. They are not mutually exclusive. European TV is all around more explicit in all things on its broadcast channels so it's not really a fair comparison.
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Post by justinate on Mar 16, 2019 1:03:39 GMT -5
I'm getting excited for this premiere with every new sneak peek that's released and I really, really hope it won't turn out to be a massive letdown. I can't handle another crushing disappointment a la Skam Germany/Austin/Spain. With the current trend being to downplay/erase gay male representation from TV shows, it's exceedingly rare to see it go the other way. I had an inkling from the earlier trailer but the first new clip confirms my suspicion: (highlight to read) the murder victim Nolan Hotchkiss does have a fling with Dylan. Since the other clip establishes that Dylan and Andrew are together, I'm guessing Nolan holds their dalliance over Dylan's head and provides him a possible motive to kill Nolan.This clip is about the series premise: There's also an interview with Eli Brown. The Perfectionists is his first screen acting role and he's the youngest of the main cast at only 19 (rare to have an actual teenager play one on American TV). www.popsugar.com/Perfectionists-Cast-Interviews-45894982 |
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