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Post by jjose712 on Sept 12, 2013 5:49:53 GMT -5
It doesn't bode well on an audience, who are hell bent on judging this actor, before they've seen one minute/one second of him being in the role of the character of Will Horton. This actor, has a ton of professional acting credits on his resume and it says a lot about his talent and rage, being that he's only 27 years of age. I'm actually excited about this, because it's clear that DAYS didn't take the recasting of this role lightly. Well surely negative opinions was to be expected regardless of who took over this role. CM had his loyal fans and that's that. I'm delighted to know about his acting experience because that may be his biggest shot at winning over fans. But CM fans have to realize that he was the one who want to leave the show. It's as simple as that. And backlash months before he appears on screen tells a lot of bad things, but not about him but about the people writing about him. People need to get a life. One thing is express an opinion and not liking him after watch him on screen and other critizise him months before appearing on the show. And i agree with HQ75, most people don't care at all.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 16:34:56 GMT -5
Days does things at there own pace. Jen Lilley had been working for months and if Greg Vaughan hadn't let it slip, they would have kept it a secret longer. No matter what people are saying they are talking about it and that is good for Days. The person won't show up til January and they can ride Chandler out until then. Telling people now, won't get him on the screen any faster. And depending on what people think of him it might make them tune out even sooner. Days is doing exactly what they want. They knew what the fall out would be and I'm sure they calculated out how they would handle it. In fact the new actor could receive a lot of backlash for months without even being able to defend himself with his acting
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 16:26:01 GMT -5
Sorry, but you are talking like they fired Chandler out of the blue, and that's not what happened. As long as we know, he wanted to leave (he said it), and he wanted to leave as soon as he can, and that's exactly what happened. Of course the show could handle things better telling him he is going to be replaced soon, but it's not like he was fired when he wanted to continue playing Will.
I still don't understand the reasoning. Please tell me what exactly gain the show telling us that Will will be recasted if they had no intention. The only explanation possible if they want to kill Will Horton and say they will recast the role to not let people know about Will's final fate. But in a show that film with three months in advance is almost impossible to keep that kind of secret. And as far as we know, Chandler last day wasn't a special one, he was filming regular scenes before knowing it was his last day.
And the show say before they won't recast the role, so if they really don't want to recast they can keep that, make and end of the story arc, and probably put an end of the gay storyline (because without upgrading Sonny's role it's difficult to believe they will continue with the gay storyline).
I still can't see the reason to lie here
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 15:53:33 GMT -5
It's not a question about their saying the truth or not, it's a question about what they gain lying about this. Because they gain absolutely nothing. If they don't want to recast the role, they won't recast the role, as simple as that.
I find all this conspirancy theories ridiculous. It's a soap, they fire and recast characters eveyday. It's not rocket science
And frankly the day that a soap affect my sleep i will be seriously worried
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 14:46:00 GMT -5
But that wouldn't make any sense. They received that backlash of the unceremonious way they fired Chandler to then no recast the role? i don't think so. They talked about not recast the role when they thought they could convince Chandler to stay in the show. It was a way to make him feel very important, but it didn't work so they decided to recast the role, it's as simple as that I don't think that those in charge care about viewer backlash at all. They care about doing whatever suits THEM! Too many times now this show has said one thing but ended up doing another. I don't trust what TPTB say at all anymore. If NuWill has been found, who is he? Like someone else here said, why is this so hush-hush? I repeat, that doesn't have any sense. If they didn't want a recast they would make Chandler finish his contract, as simple as that. And if they don't want to recast, they wouldn't say that they recast the role. I didn't like the way the fired Chandler (well, he wasn't properly fired, but they did it in a way that looks like that), and it seemed like retribution for him to open his mouth at the emmys, but what they did, in the long run, was exactly what Chandler wanted.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 14:43:12 GMT -5
I like Brant, but frankly i wouldn't call Dancing with the stars bigger things Hmm... DWTS averages about 13 times the amount of viewers in the U.S. as DOOL. Brant is guaranteed a 450K paycheck regardless of whether he wins or is voted off first. Also, he will be interviewed and appear on numerous entertainment magazines, websites and talkshows. This all sounds like much "bigger things" than appearing in bit parts on Days and PLL to me. I don't doubt that it's good for his economy and his popularity, but it's something that has nothing to do with his acting career. DWTS is full of hasbeens and people who had a career (sports generally) and want to have a good time. If he plays well his cards, the show, apart of money will give him popularity (or more popularity) and that's something he can make profit in his acting career. But that is not guarantee, when you take part on a talent/reality show, your image can be damage. I think in the USA the show didn't go as far as in spain (the comenters of the show are the same than in Big Brother) and since Dancing with the star change channels (now is in telecinco), it's not exactly thrilling for someone famous participate. Anyway, i wouldn't call bigger things something that it has nothing to do with his acting career. but that's just my opinion. Hopefully it would bring bigger things for him in a near future
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 5:27:47 GMT -5
I find it more than possible that there is no recast. TPTB just made this up to pacify the viewers since they decided to release CM from his contract earlier than he was supposed to be. I remember when they seemed to state rather emphatically at first that Will would not be recast. But that wouldn't make any sense. They received that backlash of the unceremonious way they fired Chandler to then no recast the role? i don't think so. They talked about not recast the role when they thought they could convince Chandler to stay in the show. It was a way to make him feel very important, but it didn't work so they decided to recast the role, it's as simple as that
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 11, 2013 4:04:17 GMT -5
I say forget about Will altogether and start fresh with Sonny. Bring back Brant Daugherty to play Stefano's newly created bad boy grandson "Julian DiMera." Julian is gay but Stefano doesn't know it. Sonny meets Julian and his smitten, but he doesn't know that Julian is gay either. They get to know each other slowly. If only the writers would think along these lines. As much as I'd love to see Sonny be given his own life for a while without Will, the show seems set on just keeping Sonny as Will's boyfriend. And Brant has obviously moved onto bigger things. Good for him. I was slightly disappointed we couldn't see Will go away for a bit and let Sonny be more established, then bring Will back later with a new actor playing the role. I like Brant, but frankly i wouldn't call Dancing with the stars bigger things
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 10, 2013 14:23:21 GMT -5
I find curious some people here dismiss Brent chances as romantic interest when he lacks exactly the same kind of scenes Will and Sonny lacked at the beginning of their relationship, and in my opinion that was a stone tied to the neck to their relationship (if the writers were better they would hint some interest towards the other, but no).
I say it a lot of times, in my opinion their chemistry is ok, the problem is both had a lot more chemistry (and i think sexual chemistry) with other cast members. Some acting choses were a big mistake too, Wabi sex night was a big mistake in terms of acting (Will was more into Gabi that he was into Sonny back then, by miles).
Everytime there's a recast for a loved actor/character, and Chandler fits that cathegory, there's a lot of outcry. I like Chandlers acting, but saying there'll be only one Will is a little absurd, when he wasn't even the original Will.
It's true there are some actors who are not recastables (i don't know if the word exist), i can't see another Luke Snyder that wasn't Van Hansis, but that's not because Van was great in the role (he was) it's because he owned that character when the writing was good, so he can give him life when the writing was atrocious (and that was most of the Nuke part), on the other hand a new actor would need to bring life to the character when the storyline was clearly downhill.
Frankly, i don't think it's the case here because to be honest, i don't think Will's coming out was good at all. Wilson storyline has it's ups and downs, but it's not going downhill and there's no reason to believe the new actors material will be worse that what Chandler received.
Of course, the recast could be a total faliure. They need a good actor, with good chemistry not only with Freddie, but with EJ, Sammy, Marlena and Lucas (and if it's possible with all the others). I'm pretty sure at the beginning he will be compared in a bad light with Chandler, but if the storyline is interesting and he is good, step by step, people will overcome everything.
In this case there's nothing to discuss, Chandler wanted to leave, and not recasting Will means the end of the gay storyline, and most if they don't make them break up. I know people prefer a sunset ending and a show without gays anymore, but i'm not one of those.
Anyway, the show if they really want a triangle, they need to go really there, because they could have a triangle with Brian, gorgeous actor with great chemistry with Freddie, and they refused to go there. If they just bring a mere obstacle, the storyline won't work, but if they bring an interesting new guy, and make Sonny (or Will, but i find difficult to understand what will be Sonny's motivations to fight for Will if he has feelings for other guy) interest in him organic, and not something simply put there to create a conflit
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 7, 2013 14:09:27 GMT -5
Aaaaand now he's dead. That's boring, and unfortunately, totally predictable
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 4, 2013 7:15:18 GMT -5
Will and Sonny don't have to 'allow' Gabi to do anything. She's a grown woman who needs no ones permission. And it's truly none of Sonny's business. He has no rights and sure as hell has no say. He needs to back off; he's turning into his mother. It's not a good look. She is a grown woman making one stupid mistake after another. Stupid mistakes that afect their lives. In normal circumstances you will be right, but not here. And frankly, if i was Will and Gabi decides to put that phycho again in their lives i will thread her to get Arianna's full custody
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 3, 2013 4:24:24 GMT -5
Well, Will didn't have to beg because Sonny is always ready to come back to him, and everytime he lost Sonny, Sonny had tons of reasons to break up with him Sonny is far from perfect, but frankly, in their actual situation it will be difficult to sell Will as the trophy prize in the middle of a triangle. Sorry but i don't buy that a cute guy, with tons of troubles and baggage and with a baby would be so desirable for two young gay guys battle for his love. Of course this is a soap and everything could happen. But I feel like that's a generic assessment of the situation. What draws Sonny to Will is that he loves him. Love is suppose to be more powerful than anything. Before Will had a baby or any of that baggy, Sonny was already in love with him. I feel like if you look at any couple, you can find reasons why they shouldn't make sense. But we are supposed to believe that love conquers all. So either you don't believe Sonny loves Will (in which case, yeah, all the things you list don't make Will an excellent boyfriend candidate) or you do believe Sonny loves Will (in which case, his love for Will is what allows him to be devoted to him). I think that is something about this storyline that is confusing to me. I have watched from the beginning and I fully believe Sonny is madly in love with Will and Will is madly in love with Sonny. So, to me, it makes sense that they would go through all they have gone through to be together. I mean, in real life, people do insane things because of love, they put up with crazy stuff because of love. The entire romance novel trade, romcom genre of film an soap opera genre of TV is based upon the ideal that love and and passion or the driving forces of men and women. I mean name one couple on a soap opera that "makes sense"? Most of them don't if you just list the pros and cons down on paper. I'm not saying any viewer has to love Will and/or Sonny (separately or together) but it's confusing to me that folks don't get that Sonny and Will love each other and THAT is why they are willing to put up with some much and sacrifice so much to be together. While the circumstances of her conception are not the best, the fact that Will is a college kid with a child is just not that rare. If he already had a daughter with his ex, would that mean he should never get to date anyone? Will and Sonny have both lied to each other and kept secrets and they have talked it all out and forgiven each other for it a long time ago (except Sonny is still keeping a secret that Will doesn't know about) Normally, the idea that folks love each other and work through their problems and learn to forgive each other is supposed to be a good thing. But for some reason when it comes to gay couples, I find folks seem to not see it that way. I sometimes wonder if it's that folks don't take the love between young gay male characters as seriously? I don't know. It's just strange. I'm just not sure that "why" someone loves another person is a question that can have an answer because it's an involuntary thing. It's not a decision you make, it just happens. You can try not to act on it, but the feelings don't go away. Sonny tried being apart from Will but when push came to shove, he couldn't deny that he was still in love with Will (even knowing everything that had happened). To me, the fact that Sonny didn't leave Will for Brian is a testament to the depth of his feelings for Will. Maybe I'm the only one who sees it that way but that's what I see. Yes, that's understable. Sonny loves Will, and if the writers would do a good job that would be easy to buy (the build up of the storyline was awful, not showing any hints of Sonny love for Will, or Will's love of Sonny). But what i'm talking about was the triangle, in my opinion is more believable if it's Sonny the center of the triangle and not Will, simply because i can't see a new guy fighting for Will's love. I can see a new guy being attracted to Will or having sex with Will, but getting attachech to a guy with so many problems, with a daughter and a boyfriend is hard to believe. It's not only difficult to believe that, but it's difficult to find reasons for Sonny staying with Will after that On the other hand is quite easy to believe that a guy could fall for Sonny, and Sonny being doubtful between two very different lives. Anyway, if they do the whole triangle storyline, i hope it will be a real triangle and not what ATWT offered as triangle (the only option of real triangle there was Reid and that was very shortlived)
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 2, 2013 7:20:00 GMT -5
Well, Will didn't have to beg because Sonny is always ready to come back to him, and everytime he lost Sonny, Sonny had tons of reasons to break up with him Sonny is far from perfect, but frankly, in their actual situation it will be difficult to sell Will as the trophy prize in the middle of a triangle. Sorry but i don't buy that a cute guy, with tons of troubles and baggage and with a baby would be so desirable for two young gay guys battle for his love. Of course this is a soap and everything could happen.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 1, 2013 8:27:35 GMT -5
Frankly, i don't think so. I didn't like Queer as folk (and if i have to be honest, the less sex the more i liked the episode, but the truth is gay characters are just eunuchs in most tv shows, even some very positive portrayals like Modern family, didn't treat the gay characters like the straight ones.
This is a show with all gay main characters wich means is not destined to a wide mainstream audience, and sex is part of life. I'll be glad if the main characters are very different between themselves and have different attitudes towards sex (QAF characters were very different but during the first seasons all were totally promiscuous stereotypes).
I hope the show is good and has success (HBO is a very good channel so in terms of quality it will probably be good) and it became more and more normal have a gay main character.
And i know it's not that important, but i like they cast some gay actors. People seem to push for actors to come out but the truth is some cast directors seems to not give a gay actor a straight role, and most of them seem to prefer give a stragith actor gay roles too, so it's a lose-lose situtation. Hopefully this will change
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 1, 2013 7:19:18 GMT -5
I'm happy it wasn't Aysen the one who died. I know, she is mean, but i find her relationship with Menno very entertainning, and working together promises to be very funny
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 1, 2013 5:06:16 GMT -5
He'd kind of be like Chandler-lite. I hope they've got someone else. I don't agree. Looks of course, don't be the defining mark to cast a new actor, but i think if they have a good actor wih similar looks, it will be a mistake to cast someone who looks very different. In the long run, the new actors will own (or not) the role, but having some features in common will help to not distract the audience. In terms of looks, this guy will be perfect for the role (i didn't watch GH, so i don't know if he is a good actor). I still think a good actor won't have any problem to own the role, Chandler is good, nobody denies that, but his performace as Will has it's strengths and it's weaknesses
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 28, 2013 14:08:57 GMT -5
As i say before, i think TPTB didn't handle well the situation, there's no reason to not being polite and telling him in advance that his days on the show were numbered because they were near to find the nuWill. On the other hand i think they did the right thing replacing him. He announced he wanted to go, so the sooner they replace him the better, specially if they have something in store for the couple
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2013 14:39:52 GMT -5
I still doesn't see the point on not telling him in advance that they recast the role. It's as simple as, hey maybe this week it will be your last because we are almost founding the new Will.
Chandler made a mistake at the Emmys, the same way his first interviews after Will's coming out were a mistake, he didn't come as bad as others (Danny Miller, Marc Silcock, Nicolas Gob and some more) who did really bad interviews after their characters coming out, but all his interviews screamed lack of commitment with the character. That changed with time fortunately.
I think the show really made some mistakes too, it was pretty clear that Chandler didn't want to negociate or a better contract, he wants to be out of the show. If it's a good idea or not we'll see (a lot of talented actors struggled after leaving their soaps, and a good bunch of them return to the soap years later) but i think it's a step to be done. If you are a young actor, and you are ambitious (even a little) you need to try something different, if you fail in the process, bad luck, but you need to try. The only way to stay in the soap is a very flexible contract who let him do other jobs. The show clearly not read his words at the Emmy's that way, that's the reason of the no recasting the role news, wich was a kind of you are so important that the role without you doesn't make sense, wich is pretty ridiculous.
They let him go sooner, wich is good for everybody, but i simply think it will be nice inform him in advance that his last day was near, nothing more.
And about him coming back, of course it's possible, but if people like the new guy, it won't be possible in a good bunch of years (if Days is still in the air, of course)
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2013 9:46:30 GMT -5
Chandler wanted to leave early and they let him as soon as they found a replacement. They did and he's gone. At the end of the day it's a business. The show can (and should) do what's best for them to keep it going. Of course it's a business, but there's no reason to not being polite
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 26, 2013 14:44:08 GMT -5
Well, i think the show can be more delicate, i don't know if it's the right word. Yes they let him go sooner wich is good, but there's no reason to not tell him in advance that they found a replacement. Maybe they are still annoyed for the Emmy's announcement
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 26, 2013 9:24:57 GMT -5
By the way, didn't the actor leave the show becaude he didn't want to play a gay role (well, i think i'm mistaken him with the guy who played Luke Snyder before Van Hansis)
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 24, 2013 15:01:02 GMT -5
I wonder how they will perform the recasting. It could be as simple as Will leaves the room to check on AG played by Chandler and comes back played by the new actor. And things continue as if nothing has happened. Or perhaps Will gets into a terrible accident and needs extensive plastic surgery on his face. Sonny is there in the hospital room as they remove the bandages from Will's face. We see Sonny nearly start to salivate as new Will is really, really hot! I think that maybe Will gets sent to prison, but gets released shortly after. He returns played by the new guy. Chandler is a good actor, but his body language - to me - always subtly signaled that he was uncomfortable with the gay scenes. He said the right things in interviews, but he never fully embraced it, I think, the way Freddie has. I think there's a good chance that the chemistry between Will and Sonny is going to improve with the new actor. I think that really changes with the time, in the acting and in the interviews. I see him a lot more comfortable with intimate scenes in recent times than at the beginning. And the interviews were miles better lately. At the start of the storyline he avoided even to mention Freddie or Wilson, and focused on his role. Lately he seems a lot more comfortable. My problem with Chanler was never him, but the writing and the building of the storyline. They practically start out of the blue. They had months to show hints of interest for both parts, but they'd never do, and i think it was more about the direction than the actor's choices. But that and the fact that (and that's my opinion) lack of chemistry (they have a nice friendly chemistry, but not, and i repeat in my opinion, hot and steamy one) make me believe that if they chose well the recast, it's very possible that people won't miss him that much. And that could work even if the new actor is not as would as Chandler. Chemistry is something strange, Van Hansis has amazing chemistry with most of the cast (wich was a little weird in some scenes with his both parents), and James Sutton and Guy Burnett scenes work really well, not because the acting (they have some of the worst kisses i can remember on a soap) but the good chemistry between them (wich obviously doesn't equate to a close relationship, because i only get the vibe that they weren't exactly very close to each other). I don't think they will go the route of plastic surgery, that was very 80's. I hope they find a good actor that at least has some physical similarities with Chandler, that'll make the transition a lot easier
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 24, 2013 7:35:28 GMT -5
God, that village is full of killers. Frankly i don't think it's a good idea send JP to jail at all. There's a lot of ways to write a dark interesting storyline, but of course it needs more work than a pair of cheap tricks
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 24, 2013 5:17:31 GMT -5
Recasting is not the best option, it's the only option. If they let Will as character go, i think the gay storyline would dissapear, because they didn't ivested enough on Sonny to make him carry a new storyline.
If the new actor has good chemistry with Freddie it won't be any problem with the transition
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 24, 2013 4:42:18 GMT -5
I wish him luck, he will need it for sure, because there are a lot of examples of talented soap actors that struggled to find their way on the industry after leaving the soap that made them famous.
And i think he did the right thing telling he is out of Days, it ended the speculation.
And i'm happy they decided to recast the role, it shows some commitment with the storyline (now it only needs a better writting and interesting stories)
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