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Post by jjose712 on Oct 16, 2013 7:02:33 GMT -5
RIP Doug. I hope we'll get news of PJ new projects soon, he is really lovable.
And about the Ste/JP pairing, it would be odd. I don't think they will match each other at all. I don't think they are each other's type. At least it will be funny for the father/son competing for the same man (i don't think nobody did that in the past). And of course it would be funny to read the comments of outraged fans. Even with the fact of being unable to see something like that work, i doubt it would be the worst storyline for any of them
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 15, 2013 9:47:12 GMT -5
I think killing Doug is not inevitable, but boring and predictable
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 14, 2013 12:24:22 GMT -5
Well, the reaction to the scenes with Trevor makes me think that the only way Ste new boyfriend will be accepted it's if he treat Ste as bad as Brendan did (as long as he loves him that much). Ste's relationship will probably always conflictive, but one Brendan Brady is more than enough. It was a pity such waste of good chemistry, but the writers showed they were really unable to do something subtle and not an over the top violent storyline without redemption.
If they finally kill Doug (i will miss you, Doug), i think Ste will be without boyfriend for a good time
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 14, 2013 9:47:46 GMT -5
I still don't know what people love in that storyline. McDean has it's ups and downs, but it was a teenage coming out storyline with very good chemistry and a lot of good moments. I get that Brendan and Ste had terrific chemistry, and in my opinion that was very unfortunate, because with less chemistry they probably would done the storyline that it was suppose to be, and not that tragic love story (without any real love). I'm pretty sure Kieron bites his tongue everytime he has to talk about the Stendan storyline. Yes, it gives him popularity, but nothing more than a Brendan's satellite. The fact they didn't kill Brendan was a cheap trick, they want their tragedy, but without close the door for a possible future returning (unprobable, Emmet is very talented, but we know sometimes that's not enough).
And i still think the same, they need to stop this massacres. After a couple of them, they lose the impact effect, and it won't let them do real powerful death storylines. And killing contantly your characters make people not getting attached to the new ones (because they can die in the next massacre)
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 12, 2013 16:31:39 GMT -5
And the fact that JP and Ste hate each other for years doesn't help either to build a friendship. Maybe they were able to see what's wrong in the other's relationship the same way they are unable to see it in their own ones.
In fact a JP/Ste frienship could be interesting, unfortunately in think it's even less probably than then having an affair (HO writers had some crazy ideas in the past, and if HO gets free for a while of abusers and closeted liers, that could be a possibility, fortunately HO is full of abusers, and the closeted liers doesn't seem near to extinction either)
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 12, 2013 14:28:20 GMT -5
That's not enterely true. Ste was the abuser in his relationship with Amy. And maybe abusive it's a bit too much, but Craig treat JP really bad during most part of their relationship. JP doesn't seek abusers, but the fact that three of his four boyfriends three were closeted it seems a clear pattern. And the only one who wasn't was his most short lived relationship. Obviously, JP has better self esteem than Ste, and it's impossible to know how much he will endure for a guy he loves. He take a lot fron Craig. Kieron was a good guy, in fact JP didn't treat him that well (he drop him like old shoes when Craig came back to his life). And Danny, i wouldn't be so fast to name him non abusive. Right now he is lying to JP left and right, he was ready to hook up with another guy at the first oportunity, and i'm not sure he won't go further to keep his secrets from his wife (and JP).
Frankly, i think they need to rehabilitate Ste, Kieron is able to make him likeable when the writing is decent enough (and it's quite difficult to make Ste likeable). I don't think Trevor will be nothing for him more than problems, but the direction choices for some of their scenes where too reminiscent of Stendan. I don't think here people were seen what they want, when people start to talk about a possible Ste and Trevor hook up, it's because the show make some efforts to make their relationship ambiguous.
And i can't be interested in JP/Danny relationship. I don't like Danny, and i don't like JP repeating the same pattern. He is an adult now, and by now he could have a better radar to avoid closet cases. I know he is unaware of Danny's secrets, but there's enough clues that Danny is lying to him to avoid them. As i say, i don't think JP is so in love with Danny as he was with Craig, but them it was his first love, and everything is over the top when you are a teenager, but i wouldn't be surprised if JP falls for Danny, and i wouldn't be surprised if he is able to manipulate JP for a long time.
Anyway, i don't think the writers will go the Stendan route with any of their gay characters. The violence just was too much (i don't care what Brendan fans think, but in my opinion the character had no redemption qualities). I would hope the future dysfuntional relationships (and i'm pretty sure it will be some dysfuntional relationships in a future) will be more subtle
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 12, 2013 7:16:15 GMT -5
I didn't say Craig was like Brendan, what i said is that he treated JP like crap during their relationship, wich is true Yup. Craig was never a violent abusive murderer, like Brendan, but there has never been any denial that he treated JP like crap. He did and maybe that's why JP continues to seek out guys, who treat him in such a fashion? I'm not sorry to say this, but Danny is just another version of Craig. He's just older, married and a father. Yes, Sam probably does now that he's bisexual and it seems like she knows that he's had affairs with other men and women throughout their marriage. It's another thing entirely to have the other person, living and working in the same village as you, your husband and your family. Does Sam even know that Danny has another son, let alone already is a grandparent due to the existence of Leah and Lucas? Danny is way worse than Craig. Yes, Craig beat JP once when he was closeted and scared to come out, and their relationship was abusive because he knew JP will be back for more, but he was only a teen scared to face the truth about himself. Danny is a grown man who obviously made a lot of mistakes in his past, but he seems to learn absolutely nothing from them. In my opinion JP is completely blind when he feels something for a guy, and he is able to take a lot before even react. Fortunately for JP, i think, at least not now, his feelings for Danny are a lot less intense of what he felt for Craig, so hopefully he will be able to react faster And people react on a really strange way when a couple has chemistry, the fact that people expect Trevor to be gay (and it's not out of the blue, because they way he act towards Ste lately is very Brendan Brady) and they become Stendan 2.0 it will be surprising if it wasn't expected. A lot of fans justified Brendan during the whole storyline, no matter how bad he treated Ste. I think Ste relationship will always be steamed and full of problems, but i hope they won't go there. After such abusive relationship it will be better if he rehabilitate himself. There's no problem if he is without a boyfriend for a while, but it will be good if Ste takes his time to be ready for a fresh start. Unfortunately, both Ste and JP seems to show a pattern in their search of boyfriend, and it's not a good guy like Doug on the top of their preferences
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 12, 2013 5:29:32 GMT -5
Ugly shirts - ATWT's Luke cornered the market those although Days' young studs wardrobe do frighten me from time to time like that black lace shirt that Nick wore a few weeks back. It closely resembled the see-through blouse Madonna wore in her Vogue video. Eeeek! Ugly shirts are a classic for gay soap characters. Nobody would think Luke Snyder was a rich kid watching his wardrobe, the striped t shirt were his trade mark (ones were more awful than others, but even the best ones were very far from being fashionable). Noah wardrobe wasn't that better, but at least he was poor. JP jackets on HO were terrible. Apart of Sonny's t shirt when they rescue Nick and Gabi (that was a nightmare) i think Will and Sonny wardrobe is quite decent in comparison
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 12, 2013 5:23:47 GMT -5
I didn't say Craig was like Brendan, what i said is that he treated JP like crap during their relationship, wich is true
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 11, 2013 13:50:44 GMT -5
1 down - 6 to go (assuming wes doesn't count) Don't think Callum's death was a surprise to anyone. Neither he, nor Holly are especially friends with Esther (btw was it explained why Ruby, George and Pheobe arent at Esther's 18th?) so there was no good reason for them to be there, other than for one of them to be killed off. Never really warmed to Callum, and he has been a bit of a tosser throughout Later, until just before he died, but the stuff about loving his mum and his sisters and Holly was well done, enough that I actually cared a bit about him dying. Can't see JP with a bad boy really. He's not Ste, he's got too much self-esteem to let someone treat him badly - I know Danny did, but that's more to do with Danny being a good liar. JP was gullible, but as soon as he found out the truth, he told Danny where to go, rather than continue to be manipulated/used. How dark/life changing the bullying is depends how far they take it....whatever it is, it needs to be really good now because they have been building it up for ages! Are you sure? I don't think JP would stay with a guy who beat him regularly, but the truth is Craig treat him like crap during most part of their relationship and he always came back for more. In my opinion there's not that much difference between JP and Ste, both are followers and not leaders. JP didn't have the same taste for controlling thugs, but he seems to be more interested in guys not avaliable, Frankly i can see him dating a controlling and dominant man like Brendan Brady, without the violence and physical abuse. Anyway, i find boring the fact that he didn't learn anything from the past and continues to fall for the same type of wrong guy (at least he could change the type of wrong guy). And i hope Ste learn a thing or two. He will get into trouble, it's in his genes, but i hope he changes a bit, and don't date another abusive guy (unfortunately Ste seems to goes from abuser to abused, and it wouldn't surprise me if he goes from one position to the other on every relationship)
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 10, 2013 14:54:00 GMT -5
I think the bullying is not the dark storyline that will change JP life. So after the bullying the thing will be even worse for him.
I don't know, i would like a little balance, JP is a funny character. And i find very hard to watch storylines when the bad guy always win.
And i agree, Danny - JP storyline is going nowhere, or at least nowhere interesting. If they want to make JP life miserable there are tons of different bad boyfriends to make him date, but the closeted lier if overused
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 9, 2013 14:58:21 GMT -5
Wow...is this around the time that Tom takes Perri's advice about pretending to runaway, in order to get Darren and Nancy to reunite? I never thought about Tom dying and that could fit into the Osboune's having two loved ones at risk/lost. BTW - Is anybody interested in the upcomimg homophobic bullying storyline for JP and Danny? :)m not really interested in JP and Danny as a couple at all anymore but I am interested to see JP in a different storyline other than just being somebody's dirty little secret all the time. I've pretty much accepted that the writers enjoy making JP's life miserable, usually caused by his disastrous love life. At least homophobic bullying will offer some variation in the cause of his misery.... But bullied by a kid? sorry but i find that hard to buy. I know a lot of teachers suffer from their students, but JP is out of the closet, he dealt with a lot when he came out being a teen, and i find hard to believe that he is not able to deal with a bully kid. Frankly, till now JP return is a total waste of time, not for the character, i still love JP, but the writers are not even creative. If they want to make him suffer i would prefer a Brendan type of boyfriend (without the beatings, i had enough domestic violence for a good while) as long as he is out of the closet. Danny's stoyline is going to be totally predictable, with him lying and his wife make JP's life miserable (and with the bullying at the same time). And we suppose this is not even his dark storyline that would change JP forever
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 8, 2013 12:17:08 GMT -5
Hollyoaks is way more dangerous than Sunnydale, and they don't have Buffy to save the day.
My problem with the multiple deaths is not only that i find it depressing and a cheap trick from the writers, but something that challenge the show in the future, if they want to do a significant death of a beloved character it will always goes to be cheapened by what they did in the past, and this is not even their first moldavian masacre, so it lose effect everytime you use the same trick.
Of course Doug will be a casualty, it's pretty obvious they don't know what to do with him, wich is sad, because frankly, he is special between all the psychos in that town
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 8, 2013 7:52:55 GMT -5
Frankly, i think i'm going pass of HO for a good while, i'm not on the mood for tragic deaths and bullying storylines (by the way, they need to find new ways to exit people, killing them is becoming tiresome, and bullying is something to be addressed but not two times per season)
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 7, 2013 5:47:55 GMT -5
I think this repeated pattern is very cheap. Killing people every six months make lose the effect of those deaths
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 6, 2013 8:10:25 GMT -5
Poor JP, in a bunch of 100 men he will chose the one who is closeted or has a secret. It's curious but i'm finding Stug reunion more interesting and natural that i was expecting, i'm even find likeable Ste for a while JP is a McQueen. He'll always pick the guy, that he swears he doesn't want: closeted and secretive. As for Ste, interesting that they had both him and Doug profess love to each other and reunite, right after Ste told him he was so mad at Doug, that he could hit him and berated Leanne. Same old. Same old. Well, at least JP boyfriend's didn't punch him (well, Craig did once but they weren't proper boyfriends then), so he can get lower, and i HO if you can get lower you will. Frankly i wouldn't mind a troublemaker for him, but it will be nice if for once it wasn't a closeted one, and this time is even worse than before. About Stug, i would like to think that they will last a bit, they were cute together for a while, but the fact that Trevor was spying them don't make me think it will last. And of course, Ste needs to change a lot to make it last a relationship (with Doug or with any guy)
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 5, 2013 14:45:33 GMT -5
Poor JP, in a bunch of 100 men he will chose the one who is closeted or has a secret.
It's curious but i'm finding Stug reunion more interesting and natural that i was expecting, i'm even find likeable Ste for a while
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 17, 2013 13:50:54 GMT -5
jjose712: I know, I just wish it wouldn't happen to WilSon. However, I know that some viewers do want (from reading posts all over the web, not just here) some sort of a cheating/break-up/triangle to inject some drama and life into the couple....I do think that I am in a minority in not wanting it. I agree with you in that I think Will will be the one to stray (if that is the way they go) as he has really only ever been with Sonny. I think Sonny's motivation for fighting for Will would be that he loves Arianna and is emotionally invested in her, I don't think he will want to give that up. Dear writers if Will does mess around on Sonny let it be a one night stand and not an affair! [/quote] But they need to do something with them, because Will and Sonny are totally vanilla (even their fanfiction is vanilla), they need something to spice up their relationship. Of course this could end in a disaster if the storyline is not good enough
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 16, 2013 14:21:17 GMT -5
But love triangles are as classic soaps as the cheating, kidnappings and betrayals. The problem with triangles in gay storylines is the writers never go there, they put a new guy in the map, he cause some tension and that's all. All Nuke triangles were a complete disaster, Reid was the only real third wheel, and the writers screw the potential making Noah disappear. In OLTL they make the third guy, someone who was a great character till then, a villain able to use his attack to get what he wants. And finally, we have Brian on Days, the guy was gorgeous, Wilson weren't exactly a thrilling couple back then, but the writers refused to go there.
They better do a good job introducing the third guy, and if Will is the guy interested in the new guy (and i think he will be the one), they better do a good good job, because it will be very difficult to justifie why Sonny has any motivation to fight for Will. Frankly, i think the storyline will have more potential if it's Sonny the one in the middle (he has the dicotomy between the life he expected to live and the life he is living), but i think it will be Will
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 15, 2013 12:39:22 GMT -5
Well, he seems willing to take the role wich is good, hopefully by the time he starts playing the role the storyline will be interesting, that will make a lot easier the transition
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 14, 2013 8:34:41 GMT -5
Well, if Nick was only an homophobe i would agree with you, but Nick blackmailed Will. Frankly if i was Will and Sonny i wouldn't want Nick near me at all. Arianna is Will's daughter, and Nick is a bad influence that Gabi insist in bring to their lives again, so yes, in my opinion he has a lot to say abut her relationship (and Gabi looks really desperate taking him back)
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2013 15:56:22 GMT -5
This argument (disclaimer: not that anyone has to stop making it) is already really old for me. I don't personally agree with those that are pre-emptively making the decision to stop watching, but it's a tv show and if Chandler leaving has reduced their interest, then those are their feelings, so be it. I will say that I do think it's ridiculous to be judgmental against the new actor, though (for those that are, not saying that's anyone here). The loss of Chandler, I get. We know what he had and what we're losing. In the case of the new actor, we have nothing to base those judgements on, and the way Chandler went out has absolutely 0% to do with him. People can be mad at the show since we thought we'd have Chandler longer, and it seemed to be pretty heartless, I think that's a valid opinion. Whether Chandler wanted to leave or not, if you don't think TPTB deserve your viewership because of their behavior, on top of missing your favorite actor, why would you watch? No one has a duty to this show. With all of that said, I can understand why it annoys many people to see others make that judgement so soon, and it bothers me on some level too because that doesn't seem logical. But then this doesn't have much to do with logic in the first place. People get emotionally attached and invested in things in different ways. It's feelings, not thoughts, for some. I think I'm somewhere in between. I just don't think there's much use debating people's individual decisions until the new Will actually shows up. Only then will we really know who decides to stick around. If it works, some may change their minds. On the other hand, I plan to see what he can do but if I don't like him, or am not feeling him with Freddie, I may not watch anymore either. I'm not enjoying any of the rest of the show right now so... Some of the people bash Chandler here. Just saying! Who bashed Chandler? Saying that his chemistry with Freddie is not on McDean or Nuke league, or saying some of his acting choices weren't good, or saying his commitment to the storyline at first didn't seem so great, is not bashing him, is posting an opinion. I think nobody questioned Chandler's talent, but that doesn't mean that some people can't envision other actor playing Will (and there's even a posibility the the new actor can be good in the role)
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2013 7:22:37 GMT -5
I've watched soaps for over 40 years and there are very few roles/actors in the genre you can't replace. We're talking soap icons which Chandler/Will certainly was not. GW could be awful, but it has nothing to do with Chandler, who was LEAVING. Or he could be great, bring some real sexual chemistry to the pairing with Sonny and maybe some new sides or direction to Will that might benefit the character. We'll see. But so much of it depends on story. If it's more of what's on now, no actor will make this tired mess interesting. I agre with that. The new actor could benefit a lot if the storyline is interesting, because frankly, Wilson need a really good storyline for a change
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2013 5:57:45 GMT -5
I really hope the promised dark storyline for JP will be very interesting, because absolutely nothing the gave him since his return was interesting at all.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2013 3:25:05 GMT -5
I try and not get into these things because it's always back and forth with everything but i think the point being missed is yes you have to give the new actor a chance and maybe he will be great or maybe not but people have been really invested in these two guys playing these two gay characters for the last two years and honestly there will be hesitation seeing someone new. I don't wanna bring another show into it but say if this happened with the people that played Luke and Noah on As The World Turns it would not be the same even if different actors did a great job. It's all loyalty in a sense and it's understandable. I have said this before that me personally (Wilson) will always be Chandler and Freddie to me but i will give the new person a chance and if i feel it i will watch and if i don't i won't and that's just how it will have to be. There are several differences between both shows. ATWT receive a lot of backlash for their gay storyline and a lot of pressure something that didn't happen with days. And frankly, Luke and Noah were way more popular than Wilson (if fanfiction is relevant there's almost as much fanfiction about Nuke than Wilson written right now). On the other hand the level of implication of Van Hansis and Jake Silbermann was way higher than Chandler (Freddie is another story). At the beginning Chandler was very very reluctant to talk about the storyline (i don't know why), but in most of his interviews it was Will relationship with Sami or EJ the main subject and not Wilson (that changed lately, fortunately). Nuke had a very big impact in ATWT ratings, something that didn't happen with Wilson. And the most important, ATWT would drop like a stone the gay storyline if Van decided to leave the show (Jake was a different story). Days seems to think there are more to gain than to lose. I understand a lot of people like Chandler acting, and Chandler himself. But constant complains about the recast when it was him the one who wanted to leave have no sense. I know that some people prefect a sunset ending with Wilson even if that means that daytime get rid of all gays. But i'm not one of those. The new actor can work or not. In my opinion Chandler is very far from being impossible to replace. Chandler get a lot of praise for acting that has zero to do with portraying a gay character (i'm not going to compare him with Danny Miller, because Danny was a complete disaster in everything that wasn't the very dramatic scenes, and his whole storyline was constructed to show his strenghts and avoid his weakness, and he has tons of weakness) and some of his acting choices weren't the better (Wabi sex scenes was a disaster in terms of acting choice, and that scenes was repeated again and again). and in my opinion his chemistry with Freddie is far from being great. So in my opinion there are room for a replacement to work (other people can disagree)
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