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Post by md1347 on Sept 19, 2010 21:36:03 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 19, 2010 22:01:09 GMT -5
That's actually kind of different than what was originally suggested. It's actually a soap opera writing course of sorts. I rather like the idea. I commend her for turning the situation around.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 1:18:41 GMT -5
LOL! From the comments, now some want Reid to be resuscitated or something. At least come up with some kind of remotely plausible scenario. Will they cry again if she just sticks to Luke and Noah only (you know, the characters actually left alive in canon with all of their body parts)? Man, this has gotten way hilarious to me all of a sudden. Fandom is indeed a very weird and suddenly oddly entertaining place. Or maybe I’m just in a cheeky mood today; but goodness, I can’t help it, this thing I originally dismissed as so random and even futile is now seriously cracking me up. I now wonder where this wackiness will end up going. ;D
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 20, 2010 3:07:02 GMT -5
Just when I think this fandom stuff can't get any stranger, it does. But she's an out of work soap writer in a dying industry so why not take advantage when and where she can? I agree the Reid fans wanting their story is truly funny and ridic. And I say that as someone who loved the character and is a huge fan of the actor. I hated that the show killed him, but he's dead, very dead. His body parts are spread all over and are now part of other people! That's going to be awfully hard to write around. Bringing him back to life is about as pointless as reuniting Luke and Noah in this fan generated script. LOL...........
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Post by arcticvoth on Sept 20, 2010 9:06:52 GMT -5
I agree the Reid fans wanting their story is truly funny and ridic.... he's dead, very dead. His body parts are spread all over and are now part of other people! That's going to be awfully hard to write around. Bringing him back to life is about as pointless as reuniting Luke and Noah in this fan generated script. LOL........... Oh, come on. Use your imagination. Sometimes the bizarre storylines are the best. Wasn't someone possessed a few years ago on a soap? How amusing. Ghost Reid, zombie Reid.... Perhaps it was his doppelganger that died. Reid had to pretend he was dead for some really good reason and sent his clone to die on the railway track. That would explain why such a smart guy couldn't figure out how to undo his seatbelt. Who knows, but why not even entertain the idea that some crazy idea might be perfectly normal
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 20, 2010 9:49:06 GMT -5
If I were writing it, I wouldn't bring Reid back though rather than try to explain why he didn't die. I'd have Luke and Noah get back together and be solid in their relationship (well, as solid as it's possible for those two to be) then bring back Reid's doppelganger, some guy who looked like Reid but was very different than the Reid we knew. Like I'd have him show up as a farmhand at Snyder Farm one day or something like that, though he would still be crass and uncouth, all of those charming Reid qualities we knew and loved. Though I would tease the viewer with 'is he Reid or is he not' or 'why does he look just like Reid' and make a mystery about it. And of course Luke would be intrigued with him.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 20, 2010 12:37:49 GMT -5
More Noah hate at AE. I'm not even going to post the link. Why bother. I only have one thing to say. Nuke was the couple that was ground breaking and the first realistic gay couple on daytime. Sure they were neutered by the show but at least give them the respect they deserve. Do you think Kish could have pushed the boundries without Nuke being its forefather? Do you think Kish could of had a bedroom scene without Nuke?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2010 13:24:41 GMT -5
More Noah hate at AE. I'm not even going to post the link. Why bother. I only have one thing to say. Nuke was the couple that was ground breaking and the first realistic gay couple on daytime. Sure they were neutered by the show but at least give them the respect they deserve. Do you think Kish could have pushed the boundries without Nuke being its forefather? Do you think Kish could of had a bedroom scene without Nuke? I didn’t read and don’t know what it’s about, but he was obviously the devil incarnate and the source of all of Luke’s ills. Are we sure there isn’t already a theory according to which he was driving the train of doom? Anyway, I think people need to get the bitterness out of their system and I keep saying it, but Noah’s been a great outlet for that over the years with the show’s help, what are you going to do? Stepping out of fandom for a while might do people some good. Time will tell what will stick years from now in and outside of it anyway. To be completely honest, I have a feeling only one U.S. soap gay couple will carry legitimate legacy at the end of it all. Maybe it’s just that I can’t bring myself to be too bothered or invested in these things considering what it’s essentially all based upon and what is too often IMO left out of the blame, i.e., the writers’ many failings. Perhaps it was his doppelganger that died. Reid had to pretend he was dead for some really good reason and sent his clone to die on the railway track. That would explain why such a smart guy couldn't figure out how to undo his seatbelt. Who knows, but why not even entertain the idea that some crazy idea might be perfectly normal Well, not to bring too much seriousness in this pleasantly cracky discussion, it’d be pretty cruel of Reid to have made Luke go through all of that grief needlessly, whatever the reason, and I’m not sure Luke should/would then just take him back even if he might be glad the guy’s alive. The identical twin classic twist is actually more appealing, if we have to go there. I guess what I don’t get in all of this is why it has to be a competition, especially since everyone has been a loser in this storyline (characters, viewers, and in a way even some actors) and since it’s over. I understand that this epilogue drama stems essentially from TPTB aiming at and managing to not satisfy anyone and that people would like to hang on to something that might at least make them a little happy, but short of coming up with an actual spinoff, there is nothing of real value here. It’s just not a big deal. So fighting about it or turning it into some kind of cause is rather pointless to me. I just don’t get it. Anyway, someone pass the popcorn!
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 20, 2010 14:25:30 GMT -5
Actually, it really wasn't Noah hate. Just few harmless shots at Noah's expense.
As for whether there could have been Kyle and Oliver without Noah and Luke, that's really not the point of the article.
I think AE has shown plenty of respect to the couple and they have given them more press and coverage than any place else.
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 20, 2010 14:49:17 GMT -5
Well, AfterElton is a quite excesive site when it comes to the soap couples. I think people loved Nuke when they started, then the story stalled in peple became to rant.
I really avoided the soap blogs when Y&R and OLTL storylines started. I remember the Nuke bashing in the praising of the other two soaps (Y&R praising didn't last long for obvious reasons), but the truth is that OLTL storyline wasn't that good either, in fact Kish were good almost the exact time that Nuke were good. After the sex scene Kish stalled, the baby storyline wasn't interesting at all, and even before had major flaws (Nicks reaction after his bashing, the gay massive weading). I criticise a lot how ATWT treat Van and Jake during all this years, but OLTL treat way worse Brett and Scott.
Noah became the punchbag for no reason, and i really like Reid, but LuRe wasn't a full couple, because TPTB decided not to tell their story to the full (and i'm not talking to the sex), but without Nuke there won't be LuRE or Kish. And people can tell what they want, but no gay couple on the USA daytime had the impact and the big fan base (even internationally) that Nuke have
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Post by Zathras on Sept 20, 2010 19:41:12 GMT -5
More Noah hate at AE. I'm not even going to post the link. Why bother. Let's let people make up their own mind, shall we? This link probably belongs properly in L&R thread, but since the discussion is here... www.afterelton.com/tv/2010/09/kish-lureLet's not kid ourselves here. Nuke happened to be the first, but that's just the way it turned out. If it hadn't been Nuke, it would have been someone else (eventually). I can't say whether Kish would have happened or not, whether or not Nuke came before. Maybe Kish would have been the first. Maybe someone else would have come before, and Kish would have played out exactly the way it did. This is a hypothetical game that won't get us anywhere. Actually, it really wasn't Noah hate. Just few harmless shots at Noah's expense. While it wasn't full of vitriol, I wouldn't go so far as to say "harmless". I mean, "whiniest baby" ? Please . I did get a kick out of this one though: "He and Luke had a brief ... very brief moment to say goodbye before Reid's heart was torn out and implanted in a crash-test dummy." ;D As to the point of the article, I think snicks was just trying to have a little fun. Which is his prerogative, and I'm okay with it. The Photoshop job on the first page needed a little more work, though .
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 20, 2010 20:22:22 GMT -5
I’m just curious if all those apologists out there for AE would be so ready to give the benefit of the doubt to a site taking shots at Reid’s expense?
From what I’ve read on here and other places I highly doubt it. When living in glass houses it’s rather ridiculous to throw stones…don’t ya think.
And why are they asking for a vote for a guy who is DEAD, over a guy who got broken up with?
The ultimate gay couple…. Reid and Luke….sounds like a punch line to a really bad joke.
That was me taking a shot at Reid’s expense. Let’s see how long it takes for those same AE apologist to say I’m hating on him.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 20, 2010 20:40:25 GMT -5
Why not use a professional photo of Luke/Reid that P & G did instead of that piss poor photoshop over Noah? Surely there must be some couple pics like with what was done with Noah & Luke a few times.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 20, 2010 21:23:35 GMT -5
Correct me if I'm wrong. (Which btw I don't think I am, but stranger things have happened ) But they never did put Luke and Reid together in the opening of the show did they? (I mean with them being the ultimate gay couple and all that... ::)one would think they would, you know this epic love they were supposed to have and all that, but hey....what do I know, I mean only supercouples get that kind of treatment...oh dip...what does that say about Luke and his epic love for Reid... ) I mean the last time I looked it was, even when the show ended last week STILL Luke and Noah..... Just one of those hings that make you go hmmmmmmmm.....
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Post by md1347 on Sept 20, 2010 21:33:27 GMT -5
^^^ Reid never made it into the 1/2 hour jump or whatever you call it either.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 20, 2010 22:34:48 GMT -5
I actually think that was because the show was cancelled shortly after ESS joined the cast and the show clearly didn't want to foot the bill to change/update the bumpers for a cancelled show. None of the newbies that joined the cast (NuFaith, NuLiberty, Chris Hughes, Gabriel, Reid) over the past year were featured in the bumpers. And when someone left the show instead of updating the bumper to take a character out (such as when Meg was written out or when Brad was killed off), they just didn't use it anymore, which only left two in their rotation. One of them did continue to feature Henry and Vienna as a couple, even though Henry was in love with and eventually married another woman.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 20, 2010 23:04:44 GMT -5
You can't say with authority why that was.. Luke and Noah had been over for a while if they had wanted to do it they would have. Soap history tells us that since Luke and Noah were a super couple (the first gay long term super couple at that) on the show, eventually they would have put them back totether. Because that's what they do with super couples. They break up, fall in love with other people, some even get married, but eventually the show puts them back together. How many times had Lilly and Holden borken up and gotten back together or Jake and Carly for that matter. That's what all soaps do with their super couples.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 20, 2010 23:13:26 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm sure they didn't think it was worth the money to update the opening, or shoot new bumpers. The ultimate gay couple…. Reid and Luke….sounds like a punch line to a really bad joke. It is a dumb poll, which is why I didn't bother to vote. He can have a bit of fun if he wants, and I'll just roll my eyes at the dumb bits. But it's really not worth getting worked up over, in my mind.
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Post by Zathras on Sept 20, 2010 23:15:28 GMT -5
You can't say with authority why that was.. Luke and Noah had been over for a while if they had wanted to do it they would have. TPTB didn't care about giving us good stories, why would they care about the opening or the bumpers when it was all ending in just a few months anyway?
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 20, 2010 23:43:35 GMT -5
I didn't vote either for that very reason. I just thought it was a funny poll. Nothing to take seriously.
LOL.... good point. The show was notoriously slow about changing/updating things when the show was in production and not cancelled. I would think that would be the least thing on their mind once it's over.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 21, 2010 6:12:33 GMT -5
The poll didn't other me, I agree it's stupid and in some ways to be expected because of the one sidedness of AE when it comes to Noah. It's the blatant hypocrisy I was responding to when I made that comment.
I have seen people vilified for taking those same kinds of "shots" at Reid's expense. I've seen people on this very forum cry all kinds of foul when anyone says anything the slightest bit snarky about Reid, even in passing, and this comes from the so called open minded ones. God forbid someone would actually put up a pool as dumb and rather insulting (to the fans of Luke and Noah) about Luke and Reid on here or some other site. I mean look at all the hoopla over a proposed fanfic that might get written even suggesting that Luke and Noah get back together sometime in the fictional distant future. I can respect people not liking Noah and saying so, even being snarky as hell about it. Debate is a good thing and for those (like myself) who like to argue and or play devils advocate it's rather fun. But I've never been able to stomach hypocrisy. It's a pet peeve of mine.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 21, 2010 8:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 21, 2010 15:34:20 GMT -5
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Post by md1347 on Oct 1, 2010 11:34:43 GMT -5
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 1, 2010 15:28:07 GMT -5
I could agree that it was in character to wait, but of course that's not the point. Luke and Noah wait almost two years because the pressure of conservative groups (and the writers really damage their realtionship in that process). And Luke and Reid didn't have sex, because the writers didn't take the effort to develop their relationship at any level. They had enough time to do it, but they prefer to focus in other things. LuRe was a success for the same reasons Nuke was a success, the enormous chemistry between the actors (something very difficult to have, in fact some of the gay couples right now are lacking in that department even with really good actors in them).
I didn't watch the last two weeks of the show (maybe in a near future) and i miss the show (well i miss Van, Jake and Eric), and i miss coming here and read some news, but hopefully the guys will get us good news soon (at least Jake is quite active on facebook and there's always some news about Stuffer).
I think the soap world is ending, because they are not adapting to the new times. But the soap schemes work perfectly even today if they are well writen. Game of thrones is an epic fantasy but Goerge R R Martin use a lot of soap plots in his books (Cersei could be a classic villian in any soap), and maybe the HBO will be a success. Even i'm not exactly a soap fan, it's sad to watch the end of an era, and it's a curious world with some great actors (and some terrible ones)
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