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Post by md1347 on Sept 12, 2010 20:57:38 GMT -5
One more week. Woo hoo! You almost sound happy it'll be over! ;D At this point, I am glad it's almost over. I will miss the Van, Jake and the Snyders but I won't miss the bigoted way the show treated Van and Jake. I won't miss the last year of hell, which was, IMO, worse than any storyline they had. I've never seen writing on ATWT before that just seemed to confuse me more than in the last year of the show. The writing just completely sucked on many levels. The characters on the show seemed to be bipolar a lot this past year. Then to end it with none of the gay characters happy, while virtually all of the other characters get happy endings, that just shows how bad the show has gotten. It should be criticized by everyone, including the soap press and not praised like they are by some.
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 12, 2010 21:28:33 GMT -5
Aaron is Luke's [step-]brother, not Chris's. I also thought it took two to tango in that mess and put more of the onus on Alison since she was the one who was engaged & wasn't actually in love with the guy she was engaged to but with Chris... not to mention Allison pulled the same stunt when she was engaged to Casey the first time and slept with Mick Dante right before that wedding just a year later. I concur. LukeVanFan can do whatever the hell he likes with his own channel. If people didn't or don't like it, they can go elsewhere for their needs. I never did understand the some of the outraged entitlement that surrounded his having the nerve to post he didn't like Reid & refusing to be bullied to change his views on it to suit others coming on to his page lambating him about his own personal preference, but que sera. Anyhoo, I look forward to seeing how the final few episodes play out, despite one spoiler that seriously had me rolling my eyes. One more week. Woo hoo! I was talking about Luke when I said "His brother's fiance". I was talking about why I don't get the show acting as though Chris and Luke have some close friendship (even before Reid died). Yes it takes two to tango and that two consisted of Allison and Chris. Luke and Allison had time to actually develop a relationship over time and become friends. Chris and Luke haven't seen each other since Chris left (barely) and it felt like they just smooshed Luke into Chris and Katie's orbit. I mean Luke is all of a sudden closer to Katie now than he was when she was married to his father's cousin and LIVED ON THE FARM WITH HIM (Brad was more like an uncle to Luke anyway) All of a sudden because of Reid and Luke dating, Katie is acting like she has intimate knowledge of Luke's personal life when I don't think I'd ever seen them have a conversation before Chris came back to town. It was just forced intimacy. It's just crazy.
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 12, 2010 23:29:37 GMT -5
Well..... I'm not glad it's almost over. I've watched this show for 30 years and it means so much more to me than the gay characters. I'm heartbroken to say goodbye to so many people I've watched for most of my adult life.
As for the last year, I've loved it for the most part, though it was terribly flawed. But even when it was bad it was better than most of their stories (Amerra, the return of Col. Mayer, the Z twins, Mason.... I could go one and on) I'm sorry, but Reid was a breath of fresh air and added desperately needed life to a story and a couple that were pretty much DOA. Nobody had been talking about this storyline and this couple since they first came onto the scene. IMO, it's about the best storyline Luke has had. I agree with Van on that one. Van's talent has been wasted for far too long. Even he looked visibly bored on screen until the Reid storyline.
Re: this channel thing. For some reason people keep pointing out that it's his channel and he can do what he wants to with it. Amazingly enough, I agree and said so in my original reply. So there's that.
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Post by maya on Sept 13, 2010 6:25:57 GMT -5
At this point, I am glad it's almost over. same here
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Post by jjose712 on Sept 13, 2010 9:13:16 GMT -5
Here is the be all and end all of it, at least from my partucular bridge. You don’t have to like what LVF does on HIS channel. You don’t have to agree with what LVF does or don’t allow on HIS channel. Because the point is it’s HIS CHANNEL. If you or anyone else wants to watch or take the time to upload episodes and therefore dictate what you like don’t like, will allow and won’t allow. Youtube is free, make your own channel. Otherwise it makes no sense to complain and belittle someone simply because he doesn’t share your opinion and love for Reid and or Luke and Reid as a couple. I’ve watched LVF’s channel and I don’t understand why fans of Reid and by extension Luke and Reid as a couple would go on a channel they KNOW isn’t Reid or Luke and Reid dedicated. And why should he on HIS channel have to put up with hateful comments because he isn’t a Reid sycophant. He takes his time and effort to upload these episodes and therefore has the right to say what he likes, doesn’t like, will and won’t allow and shouldn’t really have to explain it much past it being HIS CHANNEL.He has the right to post what he wants, and i have the right to disagree with what he writes. The channel is his, but everybody can watch it, so it's entittle to have an opinion I am subscribed to LVF for a long time, and i'm not a LuRe fan, i said hundreds of times that i'm not sure that LuRe would work as a couple, in fact i wasn't against a Nuke ending (if the story was written in a different way, of course), but i find some of his comments of bad taste, and i chat with him a couple of times and he seems a very nice guy, and that kind of comments just suprised me.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 16, 2010 14:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 16, 2010 14:57:29 GMT -5
Here is the be all and end all of it, at least from my partucular bridge. You don’t have to like what LVF does on HIS channel. You don’t have to agree with what LVF does or don’t allow on HIS channel. Because the point is it’s HIS CHANNEL. If you or anyone else wants to watch or take the time to upload episodes and therefore dictate what you like don’t like, will allow and won’t allow. Youtube is free, make your own channel. Otherwise it makes no sense to complain and belittle someone simply because he doesn’t share your opinion and love for Reid and or Luke and Reid as a couple. I’ve watched LVF’s channel and I don’t understand why fans of Reid and by extension Luke and Reid as a couple would go on a channel they KNOW isn’t Reid or Luke and Reid dedicated. And why should he on HIS channel have to put up with hateful comments because he isn’t a Reid sycophant. He takes his time and effort to upload these episodes and therefore has the right to say what he likes, doesn’t like, will and won’t allow and shouldn’t really have to explain it much past it being HIS CHANNEL.He has the right to post what he wants, and i have the right to disagree with what he writes. The channel is his, but everybody can watch it, so it's entittle to have an opinion I am subscribed to LVF for a long time, and i'm not a LuRe fan, i said hundreds of times that i'm not sure that LuRe would work as a couple, in fact i wasn't against a Nuke ending (if the story was written in a different way, of course), but i find some of his comments of bad taste, and i chat with him a couple of times and he seems a very nice guy, and that kind of comments just suprised me. Again wether it surprised you or not. It's still HIS channel and he can say pretty much any damn thing he wants to on it. Until you and others are willing to take the time to do what he has done by putting up these clips for people to see then may'be you all should stop throwing stones. Having an opinion isnt the problem here. The problem is trying to dictate to him on his channel what he should and shouldn't say because you disagree with what he has to say on HIS CHANNEL.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 16, 2010 15:04:51 GMT -5
*steers conversation back to Noah/Luke*
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 16, 2010 15:36:50 GMT -5
I liked today's L/N scenes. I was shocked they spent so much time talking about Reid though. I thought we'd see Luke starting to get over it so they can obviously push him back with Noah, but that's not what happened.
While Noah seemed to get that Luke really loved Reid and what they had was real, I still felt Noah was basically putting the moves on Luke. He basically said "I know you're upset about your boyfriend dying, but as soon as you're over it, come back to me." But Luke was totally non-committal to that type of future. He didn't respond to the kiss either. And he def was not smiling or looked hopeful or anything like that. He looked uneasy. Luke cares for Noah and always will, but I just don't see Luke going back to him. But they'll always be part of each other's lives one way or another. I can see them being really good friends.
Or maybe he will go back to him and they'll continue the cycle of dysfunction. Guess we'll never know.
It was a totally open ended conclusion though. The show left it up in the air, just like Van said. Honestly, I expected the show to lean more in the direction of a reunion and they didn't. It's really the way it should have ended, if it had to end this way.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 16, 2010 15:45:38 GMT -5
Once again Luke doubted his relationship with Reid today. I think it's funny how the other characters on the show are propping up the relationship while Luke seems to down play the relationship with Reid.
I would disagree with you Anthony but I'm not going to. I think it was a good ending for Nuke and I think they will have a future together. I'll just leave it at that. Luke doesn't actually end up alone because he has Noah and I think he knows that.
The one thing I will say is that I'll never watch another show that CG or JP are involved in.
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 16, 2010 15:50:06 GMT -5
I've only watched the clips once, but I didn't get the feeling that Noah was pushing himself on to Luke, which surprised me, since the spoilers made it sound like that's what he would do. For the first time it really seemed like Noah got it that Luke was in love with Reid, and that he is in mourning. I don't know if it would be right to say that Noah showed a new level of maturity today, but he did show more compassion for Luke's feelings than I can ever remember him showing. I think Jake did a great job of showing that Noah still wants and loves Luke, but he wasn't going to overstep any boundaries, or push Luke into doing something that he didn't want to do.
I also disagree that anything was left open ended. I think Luke was making it very clear that he isn't open to reuniting with Luke right now. His focus is on Reid, and I'm glad they didn't act like Luke should be ready to move on a week after his boyfriend died. That would have been character assassination, and far worse than the stupid idea to end the series with Luke in mourning.
Maybe one day Luke will be open to giving Noah another chance, but based on everything that has happened, the chances for that are about the same for Craig and Carly reuniting, or Carly and Jack breaking up again. Either of those things can happen, but as the series ends, nothing indicates that these things will happen, or that the characters are open to them happening.
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 16, 2010 15:56:29 GMT -5
Which scene made you think that Luke was doing this? Luke is going through the five stages of grief, and one of those stages is anger, which we also saw when Luke and Noah were at the pond. During the first scene with Noah, Luke was angry that Reid was so focused on donating his organs, instead of being more focused on the fact that he and Luke were about to be torn apart. Noah reminded Luke that Reid wanted to be with him at the end, so his relationship with Luke did mean something to him. It's normal during the grief stage to question the relationship, especially in the anger and guilt stages.
During the last scene Luke said that it may seem like he's making more of the relationship than there was, and then Noah finished it for him by saying that he knows that he loved Reid.
I'm not sure which scene you are referring to, but I'd say the smile on Luke's face whenever he talks about Reid speaks volumes for how Luke really felt about Reid.
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Post by Trish on Sept 16, 2010 15:56:31 GMT -5
I've only watched the clips once, but I didn't get the feeling that Noah was pushing himself on to Luke, which surprised me, since the spoilers made it sound like that's what he would do. For the first time it really seemed like Noah got it that Luke was in love with Reid, and that he is in mourning. I don't know if it would be right to say that Noah showed a new level of maturity today, but he did show more compassion for Luke's feelings than I can ever remember him showing. I think Jake did a great job of showing that Noah still wants and loves Luke, but he wasn't going to overstep any boundaries, or push Luke into doing something that he didn't want to do. I also disagree that anything was left open ended. I think Luke was making it very clear that he isn't open to reuniting with Luke right now. His focus is on Reid, and I'm glad they didn't act like Luke should be ready to move on a week after his boyfriend died. That would have been character assassination, and far worse than the stupid idea to end the series with Luke in mourning. Maybe one day Luke will be open to giving Noah another chance, but based on everything that has happened, the chances for that are about the same for Craig and Carly reuniting, or Carly and Jack breaking up again. Either of those things can happen, but as the series ends, nothing indicates that these things will happen, or that the characters are open to them happening. On Noah's part, there is definitely the chance. Luke is a little more unsure, but I think he will visit Noah and as he begins to realize that Noah isn't going anywhere he may give him another chance. Especially since he has learned that life is short and they may never get another chance if he lets it go too long.
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 16, 2010 16:02:47 GMT -5
IMHO, Luke isn't interested in reuniting with Noah, he proved that months ago, when they were on the hospital roof. This would be an open ended ending, if it was made clear that Luke wants to be with Noah, but he just wasn't ready to go to LA, but that just isn't the case. It's true that Noah wants to be with Luke, but Luke doesn't want to be with Noah, and Luke's feelings matter just as much as Noah's. Right now, the desire to get back together is totally one sided. Unless something changes tomorrow, when the show ends it will be with the clear understanding that Luke sees Noah as a close friend, and that he is not interested in anything more than that.
The show didn't do anything to even imply that if Luke was not in mourning then he would be more than willing to follow after Noah, and get back together with him.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Sept 16, 2010 16:08:37 GMT -5
I enjoyed watching Noah and Luke's final scenes together in today's episode. A lovely on screen conclusion to their relationship.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 16, 2010 16:39:07 GMT -5
I watched the scenes with Luke and Noah today and thought they were sweet. They talked to each other and not at each other which they are wont to do sometimes. They listened to each other and actually heard each other today.
Noah acknowledged Luke’s feelings for Reid, which had to be hard for him to do. So yeah he did show a new level of maturity. He didn’t try to put the moves on Luke nor did he completely back off as in giving up hope for them sometime in the future. He knows that Luke needs time to heal from his loss. But I think Noah knows as well as Luke does (on some level) that things aren’t completely over between them either. They are connected in a way neither of them can define or completely get away from.
So is there hope. Sure there is because like someone once said “hope dies last,”
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 16, 2010 16:50:55 GMT -5
Luke said weeks ago that there will always be a connection between them, that's usually always the case with first loves, but around the same time he also said that they weren't meant to be. Everyone sees things differently, but I just didn't hear or see anything from Luke today that would indicate that his being in mourning is the only reason why he isn't getting back together with Noah. He wasn't in mourning prior to the September 1st episode, yet he made no effort to reunite with Noah, even though Noah was very clear that that is what he wanted.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 16:57:26 GMT -5
I don’t know what to think of those scenes aside from the fact that they were literally bittersweet, not really in a bad way; it was just very literally bittersweet. In a pretty appropriate way considering. I liked that there were no promises, just factual and truthful understanding and acceptance of where things are, not where they should be or will be. I don’t know if they could get back together. Anything is possible, but I would say they shouldn’t even be open to the possibility for a long, long time and make sure it would fit the life they lead at that time in the future. They both still have a lot of growing to do at different aspects of their lives and personalities. Their playfulness and caring always feel very genuine, but there would need to be more growth individually and together to build anything solid on in the future. If it doesn’t come naturally in the future, no need to bother; friendship works for them too. Maybe for the first time since their official break up long ago, I feel that a weight’s been lifted in that relationship, and that’s about the most positive thing I can say given the messed up context and background to it all. There’s still some heaviness, but it’s less oppressing now I feel. Focusing on random things again helped the sense of alleviation too. For example, when Noah held Luke’s hand at deserted Java, all I could think was that Noah/Jake was wearing some rubber bands, and I think I’ve seen those on Luke/Van sometimes too and that made me wonder if there’s a story behind it, and whether that story might be more entertaining to me than what ATWT’s been pulling out lately. Escapism is really helpful while watching this show, especially live and uncut. And my goodness, I get the grieving and paying homage thing for now, but I hope Luke dedicates himself to something he’s personally passionate about in the future, not so related to his present or past loved ones. I feel like this character is just not being let out of that damn bubble he’s been stuck in for so long all the way to the end, and now he’s more than ever very alone in it. When Noah was walking away, that shot of Luke alone was just sad again to me and funnily enough, he was the saddest character left standing in this show that I saw in its entirety today, even if his scenes were some of the least ridiculous. *Good thoughts, good thoughts* Well, the lighting wasn’t too terrible today and there were some nice smiles. But the way Luke looks quite often realistically at how his relationship actually was with Reid makes me think the grieving process over what was is not really going to last excruciatingly long. Grieving over what could have been is likely to take a little longer, but I keep getting the feeling that from that standpoint, he’d be fine. It’s just sad it had to get to this point and that this is how and where we actually leave the character at the end.
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Post by Bonobochick on Sept 16, 2010 17:18:39 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyl on Sept 16, 2010 17:21:22 GMT -5
I don’t know what to think of those scenes aside from the fact that they were literally bittersweet, not really in a bad way; it was just very literally bittersweet. In a pretty appropriate way considering. I liked that there were no promises, just factual and truthful understanding and acceptance of where things are, not where they should be or will be. I don’t know if they could get back together. Anything is possible, but I would say they shouldn’t even be open to the possibility for a long, long time and make sure it would fit the life they lead at that time in the future. They both still have a lot of growing to do at different aspects of their lives and personalities. Their playfulness and caring always feel very genuine, but there would need to be more growth individually and together to build anything solid on in the future. If it doesn’t come naturally in the future, no need to bother; friendship works for them too. Maybe for the first time since their official break up long ago, I feel that a weight’s been lifted in that relationship, and that’s about the most positive thing I can say given the messed up context and background to it all. There’s still some heaviness, but it’s less oppressing now I feel. Focusing on random things again helped the sense of alleviation too. For example, when Noah held Luke’s hand at deserted Java, all I could think was that Noah/Jake was wearing some rubber bands, and I think I’ve seen those on Luke/Van sometimes too and that made me wonder if there’s a story behind it, and whether that story might be more entertaining to me than what ATWT’s been pulling out lately. Escapism is really helpful while watching this show, especially live and uncut. And my goodness, I get the grieving and paying homage thing for now, but I hope Luke dedicates himself to something he’s personally passionate about in the future, not so related to his present or past loved ones. I feel like this character is just not being let out of that damn bubble he’s been stuck in for so long all the way to the end, and now he’s more than ever very alone in it. When Noah was walking away, that shot of Luke alone was just sad again to me and funnily enough, he was the saddest character left standing in this show that I saw in its entirety today, even if his scenes were some of the least ridiculous. *Good thoughts, good thoughts* Well, the lighting wasn’t too terrible today and there were some nice smiles. But the way Luke looks quite often realistically at how his relationship actually was with Reid makes me think the grieving process over what was is not really going to last excruciatingly long. Grieving over what could have been is likely to take a little longer, but I keep getting the feeling that from that standpoint, he’d be fine. It’s just sad it had to get to this point and that this is how and where we actually leave the character at the end. I agree with a lot of what you say here. You make some wonderful points. I think Luke is realistic about his relationship with Reid, but I also think that a lot of Luke's grief about Reid is more about what could have been and what they missed on and not what they actually had. Just because Luke and Reid didn't have months and years of a life together doesn't mean the love and the affection wasn't real, nor is his grief. Luke wanted a life with Reid and it was ripped from him suddenly. I think Luke still has trouble dealing with that Reid is really gone despite all the evidence. He even said something like that. One thing is just because Luke gets past his grief over Reid and is ready to move on with his life doesn't mean getting back with Noah. I don't see what one has to do with the other. Luke's feelings for Reid and Luke's feelings for Noah are separate issues and have little to do with one another. They didn't when Reid was alive so why would they now? He loved Noah, but chose Reid. He didn't want to be with Noah anymore and awnted a life with Reid. So Reid's gone so he goes back to Noah? That to me, does not compute.
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Post by caitlinp on Sept 16, 2010 17:44:15 GMT -5
Based on today's show, and every Luke and Noah episode going back to the hospital rooftop scene, the only thing that indicates that the ending is left open is that both Luke and Noah are alive and breathing, so following that clue, there is the possibility that one day they might reunite. Beyond that, I didn't see any other clues that their storyline didn't end today.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2010 18:41:48 GMT -5
On Noah's part, there is definitely the chance. Luke is a little more unsure, but I think he will visit Noah and as he begins to realize that Noah isn't going anywhere he may give him another chance. Especially since he has learned that life is short and they may never get another chance if he lets it go too long. I think they would have to fall in love with each other again. The love they have for each other now is not going to be enough IMO. Their scenes today made me realize how much and how well they can connect with each other in the moment. I mean, when they do it, they do that really well, it’s kind of intimate and cozy in the moment; but the big picture is still prevalent and much fuzzier than that. I really don’t think these two people would be all the same 1-2 years apart from each other. My feeling is that they would look at each other very differently; they actually need to. Future Luke would have to fall in love with Future Noah and vice versa for anything romantic to be solidly rekindled. If not, they will likely end up breaking up again, and it wouldn’t be worth it. Growth + falling back in love + compromise = key for any solid romance again. Otherwise, be friends who can tease each other about respective boyfriends in the future and keep having that cozy connection that way. Nothing wrong with that IMO. I also read that the Java scene where they left laughing was actually the very last scene filmed between Van and Jake. If so, then I’m glad at least it was something light that they ended on. I keep grasping at as little drama as I can with what the show gave us at this point. Did I mention today how much ATWT/TPTB suck? No? Well, they do and it should continue to be said.
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Post by md1347 on Sept 16, 2010 19:56:59 GMT -5
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Post by Zathras on Sept 16, 2010 20:36:46 GMT -5
Two rhetorical questions. First, why did Noah say that Luke was more focused? He doesn't seem any more focused to me than he was in the past. It's just bizarre to me. Second, why did Luke and his family buy Noah those very expensive things? It's a little strange, for being Luke's ex. Granted, they're parting on friendly terms, but still. Anyway ... their conversation and the goodbyes went pretty much like I expected them to. Noah made his feelings clear, and left an open invitation for Luke to come to LA. Luke did not commit to anything beyond visiting him at an indeterminate point in the future (understandably so). So, they're split up and going their separate ways. No more. No less. "Bittersweet" is very a appropriate word here. Noah acknowledged Luke’s feelings for Reid, which had to be hard for him to do. So yeah he did show a new level of maturity. And, yet, it seemed very much in-character for Noah, as far as I'm concerned. Like Luke's behavior, I don't think that the behavior Noah exhibited today demonstrated substantially improved "maturity". But that's just my thought.
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Post by LadyArmand on Sept 16, 2010 20:37:39 GMT -5
I literally think that there are some people (as is usual in these cases I guess) who simply aren’t going to give in to the possibility that there is an open ending apart from the fact that they are “alive and breathing” which is btw a very condescending way of putting things (again as I‘ve seen in these cases something that is usual and very sad actually). I think that’s because it would suggest that the connection between Luke and Noah runs a lot deeper than they have ever wanted to give the two credit for having. The only reason some have even acknowledged said connection is simply because Luke said so. And even some of those who have acknowledged it have done so in an off putting, dismissive and backhanded way.
Again it astounds me the level of bashing be it outright or subtly that some go to in order to give the impression that Luke and Reid had this wondrous, mature relationship. When in fact they what they had was love of course but still a love in it’s infancy and we’ll never know how it could have or would have matured over time. These two loved each other but basically that’s all they really knew about each other. They hadn’t yet discovered all the millions of little different miracles about each other. They hadn’t seen each other not only in the best of times but in the worst of times and learned the language unique to their love that would allow them to get through those times together. They were cheated out of the time when discovery was the exciting and scary part of loving someone. What movies they liked or hated what they had in common and what they didn’t but all those things coming together to strengthen their love because it’s all those things that comprise love.
But as was shown when Reid died Luke realized he had all those things with Noah and those feelings no matter how beaten battered and bruised they might be don’t simply disappear because you fall in love with someone else. And as has been shown repeatedly in the soap world just because one person or both people move on, doesn’t mean they won’t get back together. We have to remember one thing and I think some have forgotten or have decided it doesn’t matter because it doesn’t fit into what they wanted to happen. Luke and Noah were/are a soap super couple (which is why in the opening credits they are always shown together, even though on the show they haven’t been for some time) along the same lines as Lilly and Holden. Who by the way had gotten together and separated more times than I dare count. But who regardless of these times when they were apart they always loved each other, even when they hated each other. Even when they married other people and said they would never get back together, even though they were connected.
The scenes today left the door open that sometime in the future these two could get back together. That possibility doesn’t take away from the fact that Luke will always love Reid. It doesn’t take away from the fact that Reid will always hold a very special place in Luke’s heart and in his life. Reid Oliver isn’t going to be the last man that Luke ever loves. Nor do I think Reid would want Luke sitting around with the amount of love his has to offer pinning for him. When someone dies even though for a time we might want it to, the world doesn’t end, nor does I stop, nor are we supposed to lock ourselves up in an ivory tower wishing the world would be different. Life doesn’t work that way. We move on, we get stronger and we if we’re lucky find a new love, or we revisit an old one and find the newness in it. Life is nothing if not about possibilities, as long as you’re breathing anything can and usually does happen. And it’s too short to waste it holding on to something that while beautiful while it lasted can’t come to fruition.
Reid is Luke’s might have been. And sadly that’s all he’s ever going to be.
Noah with all his faults, is Luke’s could be. And really I don’t understand why some find that to be such a bad thing. If as some say they want Luke happy, and Noah can make him happy, I say let him have that.
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