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Post by md1347 on Oct 1, 2010 15:56:27 GMT -5
These are the quotes that made me laugh.
JP as to why LuRe didn't have sex.... "It's one of the things Luke was cheated out of, but it's also a testament to Noah."
Van quote: "... but it's not like they had really established too much with each other. I wish there had been more scenes with them together as a couple..."
Right..jj... they didn't have sex because the show didn't want them too.
I'm glad that some of what I've been saying is starting to percolate out.... 3 years of a Kim/Bob/Katie/Chris/Reid/Luke but they couldn't even do a summer of them properly. It's laughable.
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 1, 2010 16:14:57 GMT -5
In fact, the truth is that the sex part in my opinion is not that important. What makes Nuke to stall wasn't the lack of sex scenes (but the kissing ban was hard on them because one thing is them being chaste and other different the lack of affection). The problem was the lack of development of the relationship. They fail in that matter with Nuke, but they stay together enough time to be a full couple, that's not the case of LuRe. Reid and Luke had a good bunch of nice scenes (even some hot ones), but the show ended without letting us know if Reid and Luke could be a real couple. Of course there was a lot of chemistry and they really like (or even love) each other, but they never had to face the couple problems because they never pass the first stage of the relationship.
I wish they had tried the full triangle storyline, but of course the blind storyline must be a lot shorter. They did a great job making Noah unlikeable during that storyline, and that was a big mistake. Luke and Noah could break up without wasting that much time, and remaining friends. There was enough time to develop Luke and Reid attraction, to make them start as a couple, and time enough to bring Noah back to the picture, and then make Luke choose. But they prefer an easy road, that in the end didn't please anyone.
They wasted Nuke potential, they were gold for the ratings, they could be a very entertaining couple (noah's background never was developed), and i'm pretty sure if the show wasn't cancelled they would waste LuRe's potential the same way, because the writers weren't good enough, and because they had too much fear to annoy some viewers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2010 16:28:45 GMT -5
JP’s explanations – read “excuses” – are as consistent as TPTB’s sense of truth in fiction and in reality, really. It’s hilarious to read. It’s also funny that the more distance they get, the more the actors can see how terribly and lacking this story was told. We as (relatively objective) viewers were there already, but good to see them get perspective too. As for the soap mags and their so-called outrage and need for explanations, welcome to 3 years ago. Where were you all this time? Now it’s dead; a little late to act all cheated on and to stop licking TPTB’s feet. Let’s all just move on. The real answers will always be more truthful and obvious than the ridiculousness JP/CG/TPTB are now spouting in those interviews.
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Post by sana on Oct 1, 2010 18:04:22 GMT -5
As for the soap mags and their so-called outrage and need for explanations, welcome to 3 years ago. Where were you all this time? Now it’s dead; a little late to act all cheated on and to stop licking TPTB’s feet. lol they are always too late
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Post by Zathras on Oct 1, 2010 18:49:27 GMT -5
I could agree that it was in character to wait, but of course that's not the point. You know, I read her comment "It's in his character to wait" and I had to laugh, because patience was hardly one of Luke's virtues. He was impulsive, often without regard to consequences, in just about everything he did. The ages it took to show much physical affection between L&N was kind of odd for the character, in my opinion. Oh, well. What's done is done. I do hope TPTB and writers can reflect on what they did with some amount of objectivity ... some day, at least .
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Post by jjose712 on Oct 3, 2010 13:56:08 GMT -5
It's difficult to know what's in character for Luke because if Luke was an enjoyable character was only thanks to Van's talent. The Luke of the coming out storyline was some kind of bad ass, the guy had guts. Then he became a whiny, and only from time to time show his old personality. It's curious that JP and CG mentioned in interview Luke's growing up during the LuRe storyline, because Luke was more mature as a teen than he was later. But that's the problem when the storylines are plot driven instead of character driven
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Post by anthonyl on Oct 3, 2010 17:08:23 GMT -5
JP really needs to get her stories straight as it were. She pretty much told AE the reason why Luke and Reid didn't have sex was because she wasn't allowed to. Yet she says something different in SOD. So does she tell a different story depending on her audience?
If the show hadn't of been cancelled, I could see them milking a long term story out of Luke/Reid/Chris/Katie/Bob/Kim. They could get a lengthy arc out of the ongoing battle to be COS between Chris and Reid and how it affects the respective relationships between the six of them. Though three years is a stretch, especially since JP doesn't plot anything out that long. No US soaps do anymore. But, if the show wasn't being cancelled, then DK would be writing the show, as he was head writer before leaving after the show had been axed, which means it might actually be good or at least better than anything JP could do.
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Post by caitlinp on Oct 6, 2010 10:19:19 GMT -5
People might as well have stopped reading the article at this point, and looked at everything that she said as being a lie, she couldn't even craft a nine month story arc for any of the characters, so that the show could end on a strong note, who would believe that she has the ability to plan a long running story arc. Most of her arcs didn't last more than three months, and that usually entailed only showing them once a week, and worse than that, most of the arcs didn't involve too many characters having a substantial or active role in how the storyline played out.
There have been a lot of inconsistencies in JP's interviews. I don't know if she's surprised by people's reaction to the ending, or if she just automatically gets flustered by answering questions, but she even gave contradictory statements to the people at After Elton. She got offended by people saying that she treated Luke, Reid and Noah differently than she treated the other characters, and she even made the somewhat offensive comment that she tried her best to make them as normal as possible, but then she admitted that there were other rules in place when it came to those characters. I don't think JP even knows what she's saying anymore.
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Post by md1347 on Oct 6, 2010 13:14:25 GMT -5
None of this is new. I think it's pretty well known that JP and CG often stretch things a bit (to be nice about it) and what they say often doesn't appear that way on screen... Not a big story, IMO.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Oct 7, 2010 9:48:25 GMT -5
IMO, it's very clear that JP gave two very different explanations to the folks that read the soap mags and the folks that read AfterElton. It doesn't surprise me at all, because at the end of the day, IMO, Passanante and Goutman really don't give a shit about what their viewing audience thinks. We're not the ones who signed their paychecks, when they were working for ATWT/P&G. They didn't really have to please us. They had to please TPTB and the advertisers. Yet, whatever she said in this most recent interview with a soap publication, has been taken to heart by some of the Nuke based viewing audience. "An homage to Noah". A character, that they chose to have off-screen for the majority of the final nine months of the show. Whatever helps folks get through the night. People might as well have stopped reading the article at this point, and looked at everything that she said as being a lie, she couldn't even craft a nine month story arc for any of the characters, so that the show could end on a strong note, who would believe that she has the ability to plan a long running story arc. Most of her arcs didn't last more than three months, and that usually entailed only showing them once a week, and worse than that, most of the arcs didn't involve too many characters having a substantial or active role in how the storyline played out. There have been a lot of inconsistencies in JP's interviews. I don't know if she's surprised by people's reaction to the ending, or if she just automatically gets flustered by answering questions, but she even gave contradictory statements to the people at After Elton. She got offended by people saying that she treated Luke, Reid and Noah differently than she treated the other characters, and she even made the somewhat offensive comment that she tried her best to make them as normal as possible, but then she admitted that there were other rules in place when it came to those characters. I don't think JP even knows what she's saying anymore.
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Post by nemari on Nov 10, 2010 23:46:08 GMT -5
I miss Luke and Noah
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Post by HQ75 on Sept 11, 2011 23:06:44 GMT -5
This is a kiss that we never got to see but we do get to see Luke pulling Noah toward him for the kiss (while Col Mayer watches from the yard through the window). PROOF that there were kisses shot that got cut during the "kissing ban" I knew this was the case but the proof just makes it even more GRRR. I'd love it if they'd allow fans to see all the deleted Luke and Noah scenes now that the show is over. I bet they could even sell that as a DVD and make a nice profit for themselves. Sigh...
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Post by cheerios on Sept 11, 2011 23:48:05 GMT -5
You know HQ75 your probably right which makes it all the more sadder.
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Post by HQ75 on Apr 1, 2012 15:41:08 GMT -5
Still gives me shivers down my spine. Sigh... Always and forever
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Post by josean06 on Apr 1, 2012 22:28:22 GMT -5
Same here HQ, it's the first gay storyline I've ever seen on TV... And man it was such a great moment for daytime, and for me at the time, all of TV. I did have Will and Grace, but nothing as dramatic as ATWT.
Loah forever! hehe...
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Post by katydidwhat on Apr 11, 2012 14:37:23 GMT -5
I know this is a long shot, but I've been wanting to rewatch Luke and Noah. I've been also wanting to make a personal set of DVDs with the episodes so that if anything goes wrong with YouTube...anyways. I went to my video files and just realized I never finished saving all the episodes from nuke-episodes.wetpaint.com/. I somehow stopped at 237, missing the last 40 clips since Mega upload is now gone. Is there anywhere I can find the videos from this Xander? The episodes are such nice quality. And does anyone know of a good DVD authoring program I can use?
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Post by HQ75 on Apr 11, 2012 18:45:06 GMT -5
The full episodes of ATWT are still up on Youtube. You can probably download them with Video Download Helper then edit them yourself on your PC.
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Post by katydidwhat on Apr 11, 2012 20:32:39 GMT -5
yes, I realize I could just download the clips from Youtube, but the videos from the site I mentioned were of high-quality which would be much better to use on DVDs.
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Post by Urban Sprawl on Apr 12, 2012 15:26:21 GMT -5
RTL Netherlands have been busy blocking a lot of the ATWT clips on YouTube.
I wanted to re-watch some of my favourite episodes recently only to discover - to my horror - that they were no longer available. (I'm in Germany so I'm not sure if it's a geo block thing or if the clips have been removed completely).
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Post by katydidwhat on Apr 13, 2012 16:16:53 GMT -5
thanks Urban Sprawl, for mentioning that RTL is starting to block YouTube videos. Because of that I decided that in the meantime that I should just download the episodes that I'm missing from YT. Glad I did since 440, 443, and 446 of LukeVanFan's videos are blocked.
You know it's a catch 22 with soaps: you get 5 episodes a week to watch, but that makes it pretty much impossible to transfer to a DVD like medium.
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 29, 2012 2:10:55 GMT -5
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