General Discussion - The Young & The Restless

[Bonobochick]

Philip was on today with Nina, Chance and Chloe. I really enjoy scenes with P3 and Nina together because it seems that is when TB is most natural in scenes.

And I remember Nina 15-20 years ago and she was hell on wheels. Nina wasn't playing with Chloe when she stated that Jill is a lightweight next to Nina when it comes to being a ferocious mother.

[devillies]

i actually happy chole is into chance now cuz billy was just a jerk to her, but she has to watch out for nina

[Bonobochick]

Sept 3, 2009 16:52:04 GMT -5 devillies said:

i actually happy chole is into chance now cuz billy was just a jerk to her, but she has to watch out for nina

But she's not. That's the problem and Nina sees it. Even before P3 showed up and saw Chloe on the phone, she was talking about maybe another shot of being with Billy STILL because of his hesitation in signing the divorce papers. Chloe is still all about being with Billy and right now Chance is her way of killing time and making Billy jealous. I mean, I think on some level Chloe likes Chance as a person but she's not serious about him as a romantic interest.


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Sept 3rd ep:

[HQ75]

Nelson Branco interviews Maria Arena Bell from Young & the Restless about Gay Storylines and the Future for Philip (WTF, What about Rafe?)
tvguide.ca/Soaps/Features/Articles/090903_tales_from_red_carpet_NB.htm

Quote:
TVG: Let’s talk about yesterday: Do you want to talk about [your co-head writer] Scott Hamner telling Soap Opera Weekly that Y&R never planned to tell a gay storyline …
MAB: Scott was misquoted! In his defence, he was solely talking about Adam and Rafe — and you know that wasn’t a gay story.

TVG: I did. Unfortunately, Weekly prefaced Scott’s quote by referencing Radam — and Phillip — in the same context.
MAB: I know. It was a total misunderstanding. Phillip’s story is a gay story.

TVG: [Laughs] Well, duh!
MAB: Seriously — it’s a gay storyline, so Scott would never, ever say we weren’t telling a gay story! And it’s an inspirational gay storyline. The Adam storyline isn’t a gay storyline. Adam is a sociopath … anyone who thinks that’s a gay storyline …

TVG: I think that’s clear, Maria.
MAB: Listen, I want to say this on the record: I love Thom. There’s such an authenticity with having Thom back on the show. I am so proud of him, Y&R, and us for doing this. What history!

TVG: Yes, I agree — but the story is a dud, I’m afraid, but I have no doubt you’ll make it a hit.
MAB: Listen, 20 years ago we could never tell this story. And today we are. That’s huge progress. We’re doing the best we can. And at the end of the day, [it’s pretty realistic because it references Thom’s personal history.]

TVG: I agree. I’m proud of you. I think fans — and myself — thought for a few seconds that you were backtracking and about to dump the Phillip storyline [especially because of his six-month contract] because of Scott’s comments.

MAB: No! Never! I understand why you went off on us. But that’s not the case — and thank you for asking me that directly.

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Sept 3, 2009 17:15:30 GMT -5 Bonobochick said:

But she's not. That's the problem and Nina sees it. Even before P3 showed up and saw Chloe on the phone, she was talking about maybe another shot of being with Billy STILL because of his hesitation in signing the divorce papers. Chloe is still all about being with Billy and right now Chance is her way of killing time and making Billy jealous. I mean, I think on some level Chloe likes Chance as a person but she's not serious about him as a romantic interest.

Word. I agree. It's unfortunate and kind of a waste of Chance (though I guess it's one way to give him some romantic drama right off the bat.)


I love Nina, P3 and Chance together. If they spent time developing their relationship, I would be all for that.

[floatilla]

Y&R has been a total disappointment......really..... All I watch now is the Cane/Lilly stuff...which is sad seeing as how it has always been my favorite soap opera

[davedoty]

I thought TB's appearance last week was interesting. I suspect they took him off the board for a couple of weeks to try to retool and get the character on track. And his appearance seems to include a metacommentary on the problems. PC3 said something arrogant, self-centered, and obnoxious, then came back a couple of minutes later and said (paraphrased) "I sounded like a jerk. Let me start over," and went on to sound more natural and interesting than he has yet.

I wonder if that little speech is summarizing their new approach to the character?

[Bonobochick]

[davedoty]

I think they're doing a decent job of turning PC3 around in his last couple of appearances. I assume they're keeping him around once his contract is up, since this was a perfect opportunity to get rid of him, and they closed it off. There may be hope yet.

[Bonobochick]

[Bonobochick]

[Bonobochick]

This podcast is good but at the 10:00 mark tune in for a listen about Y & R and the disgraceful antics the show pulled about its "gay storyline" and how they advertised falsely by using the promise of a gay storyline to excite viewers then doing a bait & switch: www.daytimeconfidential.com/2009/11/18/dc-483-cbs-and-days-killing-three-birds-with-one-stone. Great rant.

[davedoty]

Eh. If PC3 is really leaving, I'm fine with that. I don't know if it's bait-and-switch, as much as abandoning something that wasn't working. While I'd rather they replace it with something that is, I can understand the pull-back. They introduce PC3, and we hate him. They plan to stick him with Rafe, and we're all screaming about what a horrible couple they'd be before they've even appeared together onscreen.

Now, suddenly I see fans not only upset (understandably) by the gay angle being dropped, they're now complaining, demanding to know why they aren't getting those storylines THEY YELLED LOUDLY THEY DIDN'T WANT TO SEE, and that they're losing the gay character they said they hated (I'll had myself in that last part, although I'm not sad to see them go.)

Yes, by all means drop that awful character. I wish they would introduce another gay character, but given the level of vitriol and scorn being aimed at them, I don't know why they'd bother. They tried, kudos for trying, I hope they try again and get it better next time. If more people were saying that instead of shrieking, maybe that's the lesson TPTB would be taking away.

(None of that directed at anyone in particular, and in fact, most of it is directed to comments I've seen on AE and other sites than here.)

[Bonobochick]

Thom Bierdz is returning early 2010: daytimeconfidential.com/2009/12/24/thom-bierdz-heads-back-to-yr

[justinate]

I don't know if anyone's still following this show (or this thread, for that matter) but I thought I'd share the tiny crumb of good news about Genoa City's resident gay, Rafe: Tomorrow we see him with his boyfriend and he gets a peck on the cheek.

[Bonobochick]

Interview with Yani Gellman about his characters on GREEK and Y & R : daytimeconfidential.com/2010/02/22/dc-exclusive-yrs-yani-gellman-talks-going-gay-in-genoa-city-and-greek-on-tonights-abc-family

[dalia]

i'm not watching the show - but my mom said they are going to hook Rafe up with Phillip?

[jjose712]

Well, they are the only gays on the show. But to be honest, after all the Adam-Rafe disaster, i don't expect anything of this show

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Well Adam wasn't gay or bi so I never understood why folks had expectations that it would be some big romance. Adam was playing Rafe to keep him oblivious and he knew Rafe had a bit of a c rush and he used that against him.

That was never supposed to be a romance which is why the audience was completely aware of Adam faking it and lying the whole time.

But I really liked the scene where Rafe and Phillp met at the wedding.

I just wish someone was uploading Rafe's scenes. I've never watched Y&R so I have no idea how often he's on but I know he has a boyfriend (Rafe does) who's been on screen a couple times and whom he mentioned when he met Phillip.

Phillip and Rafe actually looked kind cute being cautiously flirty. It would be nice to see an older guy (in his 40s) getting to have some romance on a US soap too.

I just think folks have to forget about the Adam stuff because Rafe was just a means to an end, that's all he was ever meant to be and folks got so excited because both actors are attractive that they ignored the context of Adam and Rafe getting together.

It actually made a lot of sense within the storyline and Adam did what he does, ANYTHING to get his way no matter whom it hurts. I mean he convinced a woman she was deranged and that her baby (which was inside her and dead) was alive and well when he knew it wasn't true so him sleeping with Rafe to keep him quiet didn't surprise me but there wasn't anything "romantic" about it.

[justinate]

Rafe's boyfriend (the second one, Tyler) is GORGEOUS! Too bad we probably will never see him again.

It was nice that they had a gay man as the best man for a wedding between two legacy characters, Billy Abbott and Victoria Newman. Sadly, however, his appearances are few and far between, and almost NEVER touch on his sexuality (besides the occasional mention of the boyfriend). For the most part Rafe plays a bystander - a role which is little more than a dayplayer. It'll be interesting to see if the Rafe/Philip interaction develops into something more.

Speaking of Philip, this week has featured him grieving his "dead" son and subsequently learning that he's alive, but going into Witness Protection. I personally felt they gave a very minor role to Philip in this story, considering Chance is his only child. Admittedly, Philip was absent for most of his son's life and Nina was the one who raised him, and there is no doubt in my mind that the spotlight should be on her and her grief, but it was hard watching Philip relegated to the sidelines while the likes of Chloe and Heather are given more face time in this story. Honestly, it feels like Cane and Lily got more mileage out of Chance's "death" than his own father, and those two twits never even MET Chance, as far as I can recall. (Their "familial" tie to him is tenuous at best, comprising mainly of the fact that Philip's mother, Jill, chose to latch onto Cane as a surrogate son.) I concede that Thom Bierdz isn't a great actor and that may be why they limited his airtime in this story, but honestly it's the sort of oversight where one feels it would have been better NOT to have brought Philip back instead of pulling this sort of shenanigans over his only child's "death". For the love of God, Philip is a Chancellor - a proper one, not like Katherine who clings to the name of her ever-so-long-ago ex-husband.

[kevvoi]

Interview with Greg Rikaart:


www.gaystarnews.com/article/out-actor-greg-rikaart-wants-character-young-and-restless-be-revealed-gay300415

[gidi]

Apr 30, 2015 6:30:15 GMT -5 kevvoi said:

Interview with Greg Rikaart:


www.gaystarnews.com/article/out-actor-greg-rikaart-wants-character-young-and-restless-be-revealed-gay300415

If it happen they will have to bring another gay charachter as well..

[justinate]

I feel it's disingenuous to reveal a long-running character as gay just because the actor portraying him has come out as openly gay. Add to that the fact that Kevin Fisher is a character plagued by mental illness. Is that really the sort of character we want as a LGBT flag-bearer to an audience who've never seen gay representation on their soap except for the poorly-done stories of Adam Newman (where seducing another man was portrayed as another perverse act in his long list of misdeeds) and Philip Chancellor III (who selfishly faked his death and abandoned his newborn son, wife and mother so he could have his secret gay life)?

Of course, there aren't very many candidates for a gay character on screen at the moment. Noah Newman has been firmly established as heterosexual by this regime and I don't think they want to go to that well with Kyle Abbott either. Fenmore Baldwin is another nasty piece of work so I wouldn't want him to be the first real gay character either. Some suggested Fen's half-brother Scotty (presently offscreen) and I agree that might be our best bet. That's as far as it goes for young male legacy characters I believe. Devon Hamilton isn't a good candidate either, while Charlie Ashby, Johnny Abbott and Connor Newman are all far too young, even for a rapid ageing. Reed Hellstrom is ripe for ageing into his teens, but I doubt the showrunners want to cement a reputation for being insensitive by firing the current child actor who suffers from a heart problem. (Jill Farren Phelps famously fired an elderly actress on General Hospital, whose eventual death was blamed on the firing.)

[kevvoi]

Interview with the executive producers/head writer of Y and R:

michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/yrs-chuck-pratt-jr-jill-farren-phelps-weigh-in-on-shylan-michaels-cancer-if-they-would-tackle-a-gay-storyline/2015/05/13/

[kevvoi]

Some great news for Greg Rikaart:

www.justjared.com/2016/06/14/young-the-restless-greg-rikaart-welcomes-baby-with-husband-robert-sudduth/