General Discussion - The Young & The Restless

[missunderstood]

Jul 23, 2009 21:24:10 GMT -5 carld2 said:

I can't believe how fast this story is moving. We barely know Rafe, we barely ever saw him in a relationship with Adam, we don't know how he truly sees Adam. So him saying Adam "uses" people was a bit out of left field, since not long ago he believed Adam was struggling with being gay.

I feel sorry for Yani. He doesn't seem to have a character to play.

The explanation for the lack of "intimacy" between Adam/Rafe was that they didn't want people to root for this couple because they weren't the real deal!

If they are hooking up Rafe with Phillip, both are recurring, so I don't see how they can plan a big love story with the two of them, since we most likely won't see them more then once a week.

[tihkon2]

I'm pretty sure Thom Bierdz is guaranteed for 6 months with an option to extend. And he's a favorite of Maria Arena Bell. So, if Rafe ends up in a story with him, I'm sure they'll appear more than once a week.

[davedoty]

Recurring/Regular doesn't seem to always reflect how much use they get on screen. Particularly in the case of TB, I suspect that he's just recurring as a trial run, and that if he's well received, he'll be a contract player.

[maya]

judging by the others forums he is not well received at all

[davedoty]

Even though I'm not a fan so far, I'm not going to declare victory because of message board opinions. If they reflected reality, Firefly would have been the highest rated show in history.

I'm also still giving him a chance, both to get back on his feet as an actor, and to see more than one storyline. Almost all characters have storylines that make them unlikeable. It's possible that next time, he'll be the one I sympathize with, while ranting about whoever's doing him wrong.

But his acting is still not blowing me away, and that's going to have to change before anything else can be on track.

Chance is pretty stiff also, but that's his character, so we'll have to see what happens when that veneer cracks.

[harmonium]

davedoty: Thanks for the explanation. So he just have impaired vision rite? Means it's not total complete blindness rite?

[davedoty]

Right now it's just impaired, but it will get worse until he's totally blind. And he's not eligible for the only surgery available. (Not that they couldn't find another surgery that will work if they decide they want to, of course.)

[Bonobochick]

[Bonobochick]

[davedoty]

I finally figured out what bugs me about PC3. It's not the self-absorption or the whininess, or blaming people for things they never actually did. It's the fact that he's not DOING anything. He's not an active villain, he's not an obstacle in other people's stories, he's not doing anything proactive or building new connections, joining companies or being in love triangles or... anything. He's just sitting around, moping and whining. Once he's actively doing something, good or bad, I may be more inclined to like him.

Are Nick and Sharon officially broken up? I thought they were just slowing things down while the other aspects of their lives get worked out.

[carld2]

Nick and Phyllis are back together for now, because of their daughter having brain damage. Sharon lied about the paternity of her baby so Nick would stay away from her and stay with his wife.

I think Phillip only returned to help make Cane a more consistent character and to introduce Chance. Nothing about Phillip's return from the dead was well explained and it all made him look like a very selfish person. Now they are already moving on to the next part of the story, people accepting or trying to accept and forgive him. Everything is very rushed. The characters are props, not creations. It's a lot like when they made it where Katherine and Jill weren't mother and daughter. People said oh, this respects history, imagine the possibilities, but absolutely nothing of value has happened since. It was all just to reunite Billy and Mackenzie, a couple who last had any chemistry when Bill Clinton was in office.

[davedoty]

Wait, Michael's an attempted rapist too? And he's practicing law because his victim helped him get his license back?

Is there any guy on these shows who ISN'T an attempted or actual rapist?

[Bonobochick]

Jul 30, 2009 5:18:53 GMT -5 davedoty said:

Wait, Michael's an attempted rapist too? And he's practicing law because his victim helped him get his license back?

Is there any guy on these shows who ISN'T an attempted or actual rapist?

Daniel. Cane (though he was drugged & taken advantage of by Amber). Devon.

I think Nick is clean on that score too, even with his extreme toolishness regarding Sharon & Phyllis.

Jack's record on that is clean too though he is about to be raped by Mary Jane.

[tihkon2]

Phillip comes out to his son Chance.

[Bonobochick]

Interview with John Driscoll (Chance): www.daytimeconfidential.com/2009/07/30/yrs-john-driscoll-like-a-virgin

[harmonium]

^ "Like a virgin, touched for the very first time.." Ooooh, so Chance is a virgin. Hmmm. Who knows, he maybe bisexual given the way John Driscoll mentioning he is not sure if Chance is totally straight. Hahaha. *Dreaming*... By the way, John looks very tall to me.

[jjose712]

Well, he would be a better pairing for Rafe than his father

[HQ75]

Don't know if this was posted before. Nice interview with Michael Muhney
www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid97161.asp

Stepping in and Playing It Straight?
By Michael Fairman
Advocate.com
Y&R’s soap newbie Michael Muhney steps into the shoes Chris Engen notoriously vacated, seduces a gay man, and stirs up trouble as Adam 2.0.

[harmonium]

I've just watched the latest clips. Finally the story of Phillip 3, Nina and Chance is starting to get a little more interesting. I'm curious as how is Philip 3 going to do with his immediate family. Now that he's gay, is he going to divorce Nina? But given that Nina mentioned to Chance that Phillip 3 is the love of her life, I'm wondering how things are going to play it out between the 3 of them.

On a side note, it's pretty funny that they included the part where Phillip 3 was checking the waiter out. Hahhaa. I find it amusing given that I didn't expect the writers would actually include this sort of scene in. Hahhaa. And John Discoll looks HUGE when he is with Thom Bierdz. All things are moving too slowly now. Hopefully they will spice things up a little in the coming episodes.

[missunderstood]

Was Rafe even on last week

I'm wondering if there should be photo of Yani and Thom for this thread.

I mean, Phillip is on the show more than Rafe, and he is gay

[davedoty]

While surfing, I wound up reading up on Eileen Davidson. I have to admit, she hasn't blown me away. She has never come across as a bad actress by any means, but the part itself seems fairly bland, the least interesting character in what's probably Y&R's most OTT current storyline. After reading up on her, I'm beginning to wonder if she's wasted in the role. Given her varied and storied history as an actress, I'm thinking she must have some chops. Playing 5 different characters at once on Days isn't a situation they'd throw at an unaccomplished actress, and she seems to seek out new and challenging situations. (Which, of course, raises the question of how she wound up in this bland setup, but oh well.)

And now I've picked up her first mystery novel, which is quite entertaining if lightweight. Of course, whenever an established writer and a non-writer celebrity co-author a book, it's a pretty good guess who did most of the heavy lifting.

So, to the established viewers: am I right in thinking there's more to the actress that what she's currently showing as easily manipulated, pathetic nice girl?

[Bonobochick]

Aug 4, 2009 2:59:31 GMT -5 davedoty said:

While surfing, I wound up reading up on Eileen Davidson. I have to admit, she hasn't blown me away. She has never come across as a bad actress by any means, but the part itself seems fairly bland, the least interesting character in what's probably Y&R's most OTT current storyline. After reading up on her, I'm beginning to wonder if she's wasted in the role. Given her varied and storied history as an actress, I'm thinking she must have some chops. Playing 5 different characters at once on Days isn't a situation they'd throw at an unaccomplished actress, and she seems to seek out new and challenging situations. (Which, of course, raises the question of how she wound up in this bland setup, but oh well.)

And now I've picked up her first mystery novel, which is quite entertaining if lightweight. Of course, whenever an established writer and a non-writer celebrity co-author a book, it's a pretty good guess who did most of the heavy lifting.

So, to the established viewers: am I right in thinking there's more to the actress that what she's currently showing as easily manipulated, pathetic nice girl?

I don't care for Ashley overall but she was MUCH better on Days of Our Lives playing crazy ass Kristen Blake (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristen_Blake). You can find clips of her playing that character - and a few others that look like Kristen - on youtube. I think the writing for Ashley is terrible and ED has given up trying to sell it so when I watch her, it comes across as if she's going through the motions.

[HQ75]

It seems like she is meant to be conveyed as mentally unstable rather than easily manipulated.

I haven't watch much of the show beyond the last couple months but the character Ashley strikes me a a serious Woman on the Verge of a Nervous Break Down (I'm guessing as a result of months and months of gaslighting on the part of Adam?)

If that's how she's meant to be perceived than I think she's doing a great job (he freak out in the car made me incredibly uncomfortable and claustrophobic which I guess is a good thing)

I don't know if that's the intention for the character or not.

[Bonobochick]

Ashley is mentally unstable and has been for years. I also think she's easily manipulated, at least when it's Victor. She seems to want to believe everything he tells her no matter what. I still think ED's performance is phoned in but Ashley's gone over the edge a few times. See: www.soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/ashley.php

[carld2]

Kristoff St. John (Neil) is not fond of the Adam/Rafe story.

www.welovesoaps.net/2009/08/y-kristoff-st-john-speaks-out-about-y.html

If you look at the storyline on our show with Adam and Rafe. That whole thing peted out and turned out to be such a crock. And forgive me for going there with it, but if you're giong to do a gay storyline on the show, then do something topical and current. And what could be more topical than Proposition 8 in California but doing a same sex marriage thing. You don't have to go there with that character whose going through so many things - being blind, screwing over Victor, doing the thing with Mary Jane, the baby with Ashley - man, come on. Don't cheat the audience out of a really hot, good storyline that would reflect what is actually happening out there in our world and in our nation. That's the kind of stuff that bugs me. Maybe Hogan Sheffer wants to write comical stuff with chipmunks and all that. If I get my head handed to me on a platter for saying this then so be it. We need to get more family-oriented, get back to the old school stuff, what originally made this show what it is before I got there.