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Post by final81 on Feb 16, 2010 20:24:08 GMT -5
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 20:31:33 GMT -5
Oh gosh, this is a real boom-news, who knew?! Thanks!!
Anyways, from my experience, the originals are always better...Besides, it's impossible recreate the chemestry with other actors: it will be however a different story (like UglyBetty comapred to Spanish counterpart)...
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Post by Nitty on Feb 16, 2010 20:58:36 GMT -5
OMG, that is INSANE! I can't imagine that anything we make over here could be remotely as good as the original, but if it does become popular, the real VL would gain WAY more fans. I'd rather they just hire Jo and Thore and let them redo their parts, but a little racier, it being possibly HBO and all. That'd be so cool! They could hire Katrin and Kristina and...! ..I'll stop fantasizing now.
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Post by dalphine on Feb 16, 2010 21:39:43 GMT -5
Is this for real I love it. I think they should hire Jo and Thore and just let them speak english since it is there second language and they speak it well.
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Post by lizg12 on Feb 16, 2010 21:49:38 GMT -5
I figured out how they're going to do it (warning!! this is heading HEAVILY into wilder-than-wild-speculation and silliness) . . . . The vonLahnsteins send Christian to Seattle for training in American-style dressage so he can compete and work at the new vonLahnstein's "Wild Wild West" stable. In the meantime, Olli loses NL because of one of Rob's stupid party ideas and Charlie hires him to open "Schneider's Seattle," a German-style bistro opening at Pike's Place. See how well that works out? (of course, Thore and Jo come to Seattle - or wherever they film - to continue the Chrolli story ) (sorry, I just spent an hour shoveling snow. I think it froze my brain....)
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 21:56:27 GMT -5
Girls...don't dream too much!! 1) for native-speakers there's no way they're going to accept foreigners to fake to be locals...if even Hygh Grant said he didn't even mock to do a US-acent, but simply makes "the englishman in NYC" in his last movie... ) 2) HBO has a kind of different approach/humour/style/place...no way it will be similar to the original...they'll Americanized it, as they always do with EU stuff (I remember a terrible adaptation of LAST KISS_L'ULTIMO BACIO, by Italian director Muccino...was totally another thing, simply didn't work!) Only time I've enjoyed 1 of US remakes has been for things like THE RING: because they made it with more money, but in a smart fresh new way, & 'cause I don't like the Far East-very own taste for horrors/thrillers (it's a total bore for me, the ghosts are SO slow, the girls with long dark hair don't scare me & so on...But of course I totally respect their culture: it's smply that not everywhere the same story has got the same impact... ;-O)
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Post by lizg12 on Feb 16, 2010 22:04:48 GMT -5
Depends how good their accent coach is I didn't believe Heath Ledger wasn't American until I heard him in an interview. And there's a TV show called "The Mentalist" and the actor playing the main character is Australian (I think, I don't usually watch the show) and his accent doesn't show through either. And I heard Andreas Jancke (Gregor) speaking English on a show once and I was impressed how nearly "accent-less" he sounded OTOH, someone commented that he had a strong American accent ;D
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Post by Nitty on Feb 16, 2010 22:05:00 GMT -5
I figured out how they're going to do it (warning!! this is heading HEAVILY into wilder-than-wild-speculation and silliness) . . . . The vonLahnsteins send Christian to Seattle for training in American-style dressage so he can compete and work at the new vonLahnstein's "Wild Wild West" stable. In the meantime, Olli loses NL because of one of Rob's stupid party ideas and Charlie hires him to open "Schneider's Seattle," a German-style bistro opening at Pike's Place. See how well that works out? (sorry, I just spent an hour shoveling snow. I think it froze my brain....) I love it, Liz! I can eat there everyday! ;D
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 22:23:30 GMT -5
Depends how good their accent coach is I didn't believe Heath Ledger wasn't American until I heard him in an interview. And there's a TV show called "The Mentalist" and the actor playing the main character is Australian (I think, I don't usually watch the show) and his accent doesn't show through either. And I heard Andreas Jancke (Gregor) speaking English on a show once and I was impressed how nearly "accent-less" he sounded OTOH, someone commented that he had a strong American accent ;D I guess you're American...Ok, there's a big difference however being from Canada, Australia, UK: from an English speaking country, & fake an American accent IMO... Way more difficult being, x ex., like Antonio Banderas (still has got a quite strong south-Spanish accent ) or Austrian Schwarzy... (My mum even noticed the difference, listening to both singer/actor Miguel Bosé & his mum, actress Lucia, again here after a lifetime in Spain talking/acting...I can assure you something was different in listening them speaking Italian again : Anyways I agree with you: also Italian actors could fake with a little help for inst. a Swtiz-Italian accent, etc... Besides, I don't think Jo & Thore would accept such a proposal, 'cause they won't be linked forever to gays' roles I suspect....
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 16, 2010 22:25:11 GMT -5
OH MY GOD!! is this for realsies?!!!!! oh my god!!!! ok ok, but before i go crazy here, HBO also acquired the rights to George RR Martin's song of Ice and Fire, like years ago, and they STILL haven't done anything. it would be amazing if Thore and Jo could get in on this action, but Stregatta's right, their accents are still (hot and sexy as hell) very noticeable. Andreas, however, could totally be brought on, his accent is totally understated. I don't think original Chrolli fans will be as into it if it does come to fruition. I mean, basically all they'll share is the name and the storyline, Chrolli 2.0 - actually I'll refer to this pair as Ollian - probably won't have the magical chemistry that drives us in-freaking-sane. But MAN it'll be fun to see them try. Gah, if it does come through I'm going to be part of the old gaurd...I wonder if someone will start subbing episodes in German for Nanna to view, lol! Ah, must learn to read carefully , This won't be on HBO production, this former HBO guy just has the rights, so he's got to shop it around though HBO gets to peek under the hood first... I can't think of a network that would jump all over this except for maybe blech, soapnet? Bravo?! Logo ? When I was a little tyke, MTV used to have this show Undressed a little 30 - minute drama-rama. somewhat lower production value but pretty pretty people, i get the sinking feeling that they might go that route
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Post by stregatta on Feb 16, 2010 22:36:54 GMT -5
Thunderkat...It would be so uber-hilarious if someone had to do the subs for Nanna!! LOL ;-D) Besides, it's of course a very good news, who knows, we could be also surprised in the end...
Better to know someone beyond our borders is so interested in our hot-boyz too, isn't it?! (I'm not complaining at all here!!) Ciao ^_^
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Post by lugia on Feb 17, 2010 5:20:25 GMT -5
I just got a Google alert about this. If it appears on Hollywood Reporter, it's a big deal!
But nooo, other people are cashing in on the phenomenon now! And will it really be a remake, with the characters having the same names, Christian being a boxer and so on? Sounds incredibly surreal. Especially when the original has been treated like a step child lately.
I would say normally remakes tank because the original charm is lacking. You can't just copy the formula. But there are a lot of examples lately, Queer as Folk, The Office, Life on Mars. The US constantly acquires rights and just tries their luck.
Also, from a pure gay visibility standpoint, it's a good thing. And it would be cool if it actually aired on HBO. ;D
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 17, 2010 5:45:58 GMT -5
I wonder what they'll call it? No way they'll call it Forbidden love....too corny.... Maybe they'll just name it after the street they live in on the show or something "hip" like that. it would be cool if they could acknowledge the original somehow... And i wonder if they'll bring Chroust on as a consultant...
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Post by aussie54 on Feb 17, 2010 6:34:09 GMT -5
This is amazing news!
I had to check the date, to make sure it wasn't April Fools Day. ;D
I agree that re-makes are never the same, but this will be worth watching just for the curiosity angle.
And maybe Jo and Thore could make a cameo appearance. That would definitely be worth watching.
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Post by maya on Feb 17, 2010 7:20:34 GMT -5
This is really an exciting news! And many compliments to Thore and Jo because that shows once more they have done an awesome job portraying their characters I would certainly been interested in seen the US version of Chrolli's love story.
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Post by riboflavinb2 on Feb 17, 2010 10:26:24 GMT -5
I'm sorry everyone, but I think this is the worst news I've ever heard. This is not what I wanted for the story OR for Jo and Thore. Sick with me, let me explain.
I have always said that Jo and Thore are bigger than Verbotene Liebe. I have always said that have enough talent to rock the English speaking market like nothing else. However, I can't see that happening easily AT all if this new version of C&O does well.
I don't think they'd cast Jo and Thore to remake their roles. Nor would I want Jo and Thore to remake their roles (that's incredibly boring and not at all challenging for an actor.) But if this new show does well the German version will be totally overshadowed. The american/canadian actors will get all the credit and no one will ever hear of how amazing Jo and Thore really are. Apart from VL. I'm deeply, deeply saddened. It's a compliment to the boys that Hollywood thinks they have something special... but they're missing something. It's not the *storyline* that makes it special...it's the actors. These boys can act circles around crap - we know because we've seen it for the last year. These boys put their hearts and souls into their roles...and they deserve to get serious Hollywood creds if they want it.
Off topic...but on topic. I know that I have said that I would never wish them to be recast in an English Speaking version. However, they could do it. Thore's American accent is flawless. Jo's less so, but that's easily explained. (Thore has a little bit of trouble with tenses (so does Andreas) but the pronunciation is spot on.)
Generally, I think it's a lot easier for a native english speaking person to switch accents. (I can do a hell of an Aussie, British and Southern etc.) But it's a lot harder for say a spanish, french or italian speaking person to do an American accent well. The vowels and sounds are just vastly different. I speak French... my accent is good... but no where near native.
However, it's somewhat easier for a German speaker to do the accent (diane kruger) because german and english have many of the same sounds. Germans will need to learn how to lessen their r's, calm the "i" in such words as "nien" and all that... but the flow of the language and tone of the language is the same.
ANYWAY.... I'm very, very saddened by this news. I really hopped that Thore and Jo THEM would get recognized by the English speaking market and move on to greater things... and not just their storyline. (Or whatever will be left of it.)
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 17, 2010 10:42:45 GMT -5
This is definitely exciting news, but I'll hold my breath a little... not only because this might never get picked up, but because it might end up having nothing in common with the Chrolli we fell in love with.
I mean, let's face it, the actual storyline wasn't something groundbreaking... what made the difference to us were the little touches, the performances Jo and Thore gave, and all the little touches here and there. Without the boys involved, the best I can hope for is an HBO-style rendition of the Christian/Olli/Coco story with entirely different actors and nudity ;D
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Post by valso on Feb 17, 2010 10:49:51 GMT -5
I partly agree with riboflavinb2 and mitsaso but I still think it's a really huge accomplishment for VL and especially Jo and Thore because it's thanks to their great chemistry and ability that the story gained so much popularity abroad and captured so many attention and I'm really happy for them. I hope that DasErste channel will reward the boys with some great storyline as they deserved all the praises, I sort of like the current storyline it has potential but for me it's too soon to understand where they'll going and I really hope that they won't screw up in the end.
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Post by chrollifan211 on Feb 17, 2010 11:11:30 GMT -5
I dont know...........The english verison could be cool but with out Thore and Jo it would be so weird we are used to them as Chrolli unless they come here to do the remake
But if the USA is EVEN thinking about it.....then its a huge thing for Chrolli and Jo and Thore
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 17, 2010 11:45:13 GMT -5
I'm at the same time thrilled and a bit scared. First because it shows the importance of Chrolli wordwide and that it's not because of lyseb, Ansgar or Nathalie & Mathias but because of Chrolli that they want to make a remake ;D I hope this will bring money for das Erste and that it will improve the German show in so many ways ;D But seing the way they treated Ugly Betty in the US, I'm really scared, there were so much beauty in all well-known versions (greek, spanish, german, latin American) that I fear an another dimentional version of Chrolli. As for Thore and Jo, Ribo you're right, because I really don't think this will help their career in the US (look at UK queer as folk ). And France needs to wake up Sylvain
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Post by lugia on Feb 17, 2010 13:47:01 GMT -5
But if this new show does well the German version will be totally overshadowed. The american/canadian actors will get all the credit and no one will ever hear of how amazing Jo and Thore really are. Yep, that was my very first reaction, as well. I got confused when people thought this would bring more popularity to the German version. No way! The German version is a very obscure thing. The US market is so much bigger and better promoted and accessible from around the globe. I'm actually pretty afraid that this will take of. Remember that the German VL isn't even the original. I think it premiered in Australia first. Or the Dutch and German versions of GZSZ. It can do well in one country and overshadow all the other versions. Also, even if you hope that Forbidden Love tanks, from now on when people hear about it, they would associate that with the failure. Like the original Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie. I wonder if the boys even know about this yet. I was also hoping that THEY would get the accolades, not someone else.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 17, 2010 13:55:11 GMT -5
Grumble grumble, i wrote a long post and then my browser F-ed up. put it succinctly: I don't think this will necessarily do anything to HARM Jo and Thore's career trajectories. At the end of the day it's exposure for them. If this does get made, traffic will increase in terms of searches for Chrolli, and so their visibility will increase. I think the question is whether it will be efficacious in terms of a transition to an international career. It's actually presumptuous of us to speculate that they WANT an international career (although, really, what actor wouldn't, right?). Jo has always seemed effective at hustling and lately I feel like Thore has been taking lessons (Facebook daily doping and such). So no matter what happens, they both have the work ethic and talent to get through it, and the wiley-ness to rework it to their advantage if they do get overshadowed. Though I'd like to think that the Chrolli community would NEVER allow the american actors to get all the credit, we'd be HOPPING mad if anyone tried to downplay the CRITICAL role Jo and Thore have played in making this story so special.
I'll have to listen to the whistler interview again, b/c i really thought that Thore had a noticeable though slight accent, perhaps just a shade thicker than andreas, while Jo was adorably adorably GERMAN while speaking english, no ifs ands or buts, lol. They probably could do it, but you're right ribo, why hassle through accent reduction training and all that jazz just to play a character you've inhabited for years and years? BORING.
So....who do y'all think they'd cast? To me dream cast would be: Christian - Jensen Ackles? Olli - Nick Rodriguez? Gregor ( you know americans can't stand anything REMOTELY foreign, lol.) - hugh jackman!! - I'd cast him in just about everything though...so that might not count...
Edit : I, for one, will ALWAYS love the Buffy the Vampire Slayer Movie....ALWAYS.
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 17, 2010 14:01:41 GMT -5
OMG Hugh Jackman as Gregor I hope Gregor will be gay in the US version ;D ;D ;D I just hope they won't change names because in this case your theorie is not working anymore Thunderkat. The newbies won't make the link between Chrolli and the new ones Could Christian and Oliver names work in the US ? Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 17, 2010 14:14:47 GMT -5
OMG Hugh Jackman as Gregor I hope Gregor will be gay in the US version ;D ;D ;D I just hope they won't change names because in this case your theorie is not working anymore Thunderkat. The newbies won't make the link between Chrolli and the new ones Could Christian and Oliver names work in the US ? Sylvain Warum Nicht? We already have Oliver in OLTL and Kyle calls him Olli all the time. Christian, to me, is almost a Western culturally neutral name at this point. EVERY country has some variation. Re the name change, I don't know. If I were over at ARD, I would have asked that there be some conditional clause that the names of characters not be changed, because that way the story and publicity will eventually get back to them. ARD has shown their support for Chrolli in tangential media, with the vlogging and having them as a banner on the VL site, so it stands to reason that they have a marginal understanding of how marketable they are, and would make a deal that allows them to capitalize on any impending re-make. Which they cannot do if the names change. But yeah, if they change the names...we're F$#@$d
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Post by lugia on Feb 17, 2010 14:17:03 GMT -5
Though I'd like to think that the Chrolli community would NEVER allow the american actors to get all the credit, we'd be HOPPING mad if anyone tried to downplay the CRITICAL role Jo and Thore have played in making this story so special. But isn't this whole idea of cashing in on a phenomenon on another market futile then, if it's a global thing already and people will never accept the remake as the better option? It would also be highly confusing if two versions of "Chrolli" show up in searches. I would say they can only loosely base their show on the original. It's already a different city, so the names would more likely than not change, too. If they can coexist, swell. But this always faces the risk of seeming like a replacement. Like Ben Browder and Claudia Black on Stargate SG-1 to make up for Richard Dean Anderson retiring. Or the Lahnsteins 2.0. But Jensen is already playing a gay character. I would cast Joe Flanigan in the Gregor role. The Buffy movie had Luke Perry! So I will forever love it, too.
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