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Post by sylstyle on Feb 17, 2010 14:19:39 GMT -5
OMG Hugh Jackman as Gregor I hope Gregor will be gay in the US version ;D ;D ;D I just hope they won't change names because in this case your theorie is not working anymore Thunderkat. The newbies won't make the link between Chrolli and the new ones Could Christian and Oliver names work in the US ? Sylvain Warum Nicht? We already have Oliver in OLTL and Kyle calls him Olli all the time. Christian, to me, is almost a Western culturally neutral name at this point. EVERY country has some variation. Re the name change, I don't know. If I were over at ARD, I would have asked that there be some conditional clause that the names of characters not be changed, because that way the story and publicity will eventually get back to them. ARD has shown their support for Chrolli in tangential media, with the vlogging and having them as a banner on the VL site, so it stands to reason that they have a marginal understanding of how marketable they are, and would make a deal that allows them to capitalize on any impending re-make. Which they cannot do if the names change. But yeah, if they change the names...we're F$#@$d I hope you're right about a possible clause about names Still I don't understand this will be only with Chris & Olli (with few other characters)? will this be enough to have a soap ? sorry what is your last word I don't understand ;D ;D Sylvain
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Post by lugia on Feb 17, 2010 14:31:24 GMT -5
Still I don't understand this will be only with Chris & Olli (with few other characters)? will this be enough to have a soap ? This also occured to me when I was casting Jennifer Aniston as Judith. How many of the characters that drift in an out of Chrolli's lives will be reinvented, too? Charlie? Olivia? It seems like family would be a must, especially if the brother's reaction to the coming out was always Chroust's focus. Will there be a Coco?
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Post by sylstyle on Feb 17, 2010 14:38:21 GMT -5
Still I don't understand this will be only with Chris & Olli (with few other characters)? will this be enough to have a soap ? This also occured to me when I was casting Jennifer Aniston as Judith. How many of the characters that drift in an out of Chrolli's lives will be reinvented, too? Charlie? Olivia? It seems like family would be a must, especially if the brother's reaction to the coming out was always Chroust's focus. Will there be a Coco? I want Olivia and Judith that's for sure ;D Charlie, Gregor of course then Coco IDK maybe to explain chris's turmoil Maybe Constantin, Lydia, Miriam ... I think they need other SL like Grelu and a villain (tanja) ;D To me this is sure Chrolli won't be enough for a soap or this will be short series Sylvain
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 17, 2010 14:39:46 GMT -5
Yes, but Lugia, we the original Chrolli fans , are the only ones who will probably scoff at the remake. The new american fans will discover the original, some will hate it, and the sane normal ones who recognize quality will love it, even if they change the names.
I mean honestly, except for Battlestar Galactica and Stargate SG-1, when has the REMAKE ever outpaced the original?(though i LOVED james spader in the orig. stargate movie, could've done completely without kurt russell). It could play out like "the ring," Stregatta said she enjoyed the american version b/c it had higher production values etc, but they also did a good job hiring effective actors. I don't actually prefer one version over the other, i just acknowledge that they are different and each kind of brilliant in their own way. This would be the best case scenario for Chrolli (German) and Ollian(American). Distinctly different, and each nice in their own way. Those who become obsessed enough with the new show will undoubtedly find their way to the old.
I freaking love you, you know that? ;D Joe flanigan is an excellent choice, actually, little older, and I think he feels more ex-callboy than hugh, though hugh does feel more future prince of....wait....america has no royalty, lol. There goes THAT SL.
Lahnsteins 2.0 isn't a replacement...it's just a trainwreck....
Unfortunately jennifer anniston might be too old for judith, though that didn't stop me from thinking of Courtney cox as a sort of charlie/olivia hybrid to give the show some flavor. Basically i thought they'd cut out the castle-y Lahnstein part of VL and just concentrate on the normal folks. so it looks like the brandners might come into play as well... They've got to have a coco, that's how this whole thing starts.... that little blonde from Big Love who plays the eldest daughter might be good... Also for Judith is see more of a Lauren ambrose?
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Post by lugia on Feb 17, 2010 15:11:54 GMT -5
Also for Judith is see more of a Lauren ambrose? I think you've found our Sarah! Actually, this has potential. I'm kind of getting excited now. They could do the parallel universe version and let Gregor and Sarah stay together and have their baby. ;D They could do a proper JuCon and Olivia/Sebastian...
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Post by lizg12 on Feb 17, 2010 20:12:42 GMT -5
Maybe this is just Jo's & Thore's way of making sure none of the airhead variety show hosts ever ask them again if they're gay in real life - instead they'll ask when they're moving to Seattle
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Post by husky14620 on Feb 17, 2010 21:53:52 GMT -5
But Jensen is already playing a gay character. I would cast Joe Flanigan in the Gregor role. The Buffy movie had Luke Perry! So I will forever love it, too. No, no. Joe Flanigan as Olli, not Gregor. Ben Browder as Gregor! Chris Pine as Christian? But I doubt this will get picked up here in the US. They might steal the original Aussie idea, and give it some special twist. But with the current state of politics in the US, the gay storylines, like Tom and Ulli, Tom and Olli, Olli and Christian, Stella and Carla, etc. would be cut in a heartbeat. It's wonderful that the boys and their magic have drawn attention in Hollywood, but, I'd rather see them get invitations to do other projects here, than see this poor idea get the time of day.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 17, 2010 23:12:14 GMT -5
Oh my god husky i TOTALLY though of Chris pine, but he's too... kind of slick? to be sweet christian, I know I know he was in the princess diaries etc, so he can pull it off, but.... i just feel like he's too cocky. Maybe I'm just attaching him to captain kirk too much. I love Ben Browder, but He's more Andi don't you think? You know who'd make a fairly great Christian? Sam worthington. and he can act...and he looks good....very good...hmmm...sam... and I know ian somerhalder is all vampire-ing it up right now, but i think he'd make a right good Olli... ooh, or tom welling!
I think the reason I like Joe flanigan as gregor so much is because i'm used to thinking of him in a tough sci-fi kind of capacity, so i equate him with that super super swagger that andreas has. Although if you look at the real VL Olli and Gregor look like they could be brothers more than Xtian and Gregor do. Perhaps any actors we think of for Olli could double as gregor...
I don't know if a gay storyline would get cut as long as it's on a receptive enough network, or cable. It's my wish too however that Jo and Thore manage to breach the international market somehow, even if it's indirectly, germany to french cinema to indie america to block busting hollywood, whatever it takes, I just want to see them walking the red carpet, lol.
Liz Our boys are very sly, i wouldn't put it past them...
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Post by Nitty on Feb 17, 2010 23:53:57 GMT -5
I think the story would be WAY better if they used unknown actresses and actors for the parts. That way, they would be the characters and the audience could believe in the story more.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 18, 2010 0:10:21 GMT -5
When I first saw this headline I thought it was one of those Onion pieces or some type of 'we got yeah!!' type of jokes, but my God this is for real. And we're not talking some tiny headline tucked away in an obscure rag, we're talking the big stuff here. The Hollywood Reporter and Variety are huge entertainment outlets. OMG!! I can't believe this.
I must say, I'm really happy to hear this news and especially for Jo and Thore, because even though it's highly unlikely they will play a part in the remake, they will get the recognition. We fans will make sure that the ORIGINAL actors get their due.
I'm on the end of feeling really excited for what could be, but there is some trepidation with how this could all play out. Lets get real...there is not way on earth Jo and Thore's magical chemistry can be recreated. These two actors have chemistry like I've never seen before. Also, that natural feel to their on screen relationship is nothing short of phenomenal and will be near on impossible to duplicate. So IF the remake gets the go ahead, I'm going into watching it with not too high expectations. And anyway...nothing will beat the ORIGIONAL Ollian/Chrolli love story.
Now if it gets made for HBO, I don't think we have anything to worry about regarding the sexuality of the roles and what would be involved. We are talking about the channel which brought us Oz where near on every week we witnessed male frontal nudity. And least we forget things like Six Feet Under with it's great gay character...there was a program about all the different sexual methods...a show which featured men with large penises. And trust me nothing was off limits...we have prostitues and their pimps...and the list goes on. Trust me, if it is on HBO nothing is out of bounds.
I've read through the posts here and there are some really valid and legitimate reasons for and against the remake. And I love the point made about what if it is a huge success and Ollian are forgotten and kicked to the side. It's happened in the past and quite easily could happen again, but something tells me this will not be so easy knowing the type of Ollian fans we all are. ;D
But who would have guessed that this little know SOAP with its gay storyline playing over in Germany would grow into this phenomena. Kudos to Jo and Thore for the great job they done with their characters.
Here's hoping this will help their careers move forward. They so deserve it since they are most definitely not your average SOAP actors. I truly wish the best for them.
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 18, 2010 0:17:35 GMT -5
WAIT.......................................................... .................................................................. This shit is for REAL!?!?!??!?!? WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT!?!?!?!??!? so what channel is it gonna be on?? Are Christian and Olli gonna be the main characters?!?! Is it gonna be called Forbidden Love?!!!?!! WHAT!?!?!??!
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Post by mona on Feb 18, 2010 0:30:04 GMT -5
I never really liked american TV for that. Every country is watching their series with synchro (I don't know if there's another english word for it right now) for example (although it's hard here anyway if they only want one storyline) But it's still a nice thing for VL and Jo and Thore (but shouldn't VL finally realize what they have then and start using it better?). I guess if they had to buy the rights it's an extreme copy (almost exactly the same dialogue and characters) Would be interesting to see how that would turn out.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 18, 2010 0:42:31 GMT -5
You know what I really dream...if when Ollian's storyline came to a close we got the DVD set of the full story. And I really believe would maake some really good money internationally from the sales.
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 18, 2010 2:55:04 GMT -5
Well, if HBO ends up being involved, this could easily become a mini series with the basic Chrolli storyline as the center but "HBO'ed" with gritty sex scenes and nudity and maybe violence and I suppose there will be edgy stuff involved, like cheating, extra angst and stuff? Anyway, this is the American Chrolli cast, courtesy of your truly: ;D Christian: Allan Hyde Olli: Lee Pace Gregor: David Boreanaz Judith: Felicia Day Olivia: Becki Newton Axel: Jo Weil Kai: Thore Scholermann Rebecca: RuPaul Special Guest Star: Lady Gaga as Coco ;D
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Post by MtnDewCodeRedFreak on Feb 18, 2010 3:14:26 GMT -5
Muy, muy interesante.
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 18, 2010 3:47:20 GMT -5
Mitsaso Well anything with Lady Gaga In it, i'm watching. it's a done deal!
i think your choices for olivia and judith are inspired, and I thought of david boreanaz, cause he has the look, but i have never really liked him as an actor...he's always seemed so lazy to me... lol.
Though RuPaul as Rebecca...GENIUS. here's an idea, why don't they just ship jasmin lord out and stick RuPaul as a quick mid-season replacement for Rebecca now!
Re: Allan hyde and lee pace, didja purposely switch them? it's like 4am here, and hyde looks like olli and pace looks like xtian.. are you being mischievous as usual, or are you deliberately subverting expectations...as usual....
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 18, 2010 4:30:11 GMT -5
MitsasoWell anything with Lady Gaga In it, i'm watching. it's a done deal! i think your choices for olivia and judith are inspired, and I thought of david boreanaz, cause he has the look, but i have never really liked him as an actor...he's always seemed so lazy to me... lol. Though RuPaul as Rebecca...GENIUS. here's an idea, why don't they just ship jasmin lord out and stick RuPaul as a quick mid-season replacement for Rebecca now! Re: Allan hyde and lee pace, didja purposely switch them? it's like 4am here, and hyde looks like olli and pace looks like xtian.. are you being mischievous as usual, or are you deliberately subverting expectations...as usual.... Oh, but I didn't cast them due to how much they look like Jo and Thore... my reasons were the following: 1) Their age 2) Their acting style (Allan can easily be the youthful yet not so outgoing Christian and Lee can practically act anything as far as I'm concerned) 3) Which actors I'd like to see snogging ;D P.S. Are you going to sleep? I'm gonna have a new chapter out in an hour or so!
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Post by thunderkat on Feb 18, 2010 8:49:18 GMT -5
Lol, so yes, obviously i had to get SOME sleep but i went to check...and there's NO NEW CHAPTER!!! no more casting until you finish!
I admit i've never seen allan or lee in anything but if they do go forward with this, they've got to favor acting over looks, HEAVILY to even begin to approach the magic of the real chrolli. It struck me this morning that they might try to conflate and collapse the most relevant factors of VL into this show. So we have to have the class element in there, the rich vs the middle class (who are actually kind of upper middle and pretty comfortable) Family vs. Business, Sexuality, etc. We might see Chrolli kind of combined with (gasp) Luigor, as in Olli is rich, Christian is poor/middle class, he meets olli and falls in love and on top of trying to understand his own emergent sexuality, he's dealing with the whole class issue. It's difficult for me to envision how they're going to make the story fresh. That, on top of being able to find talent that can generate the chemistry that JoRe do - consistently - this really does have a lot of factors going against it... As to seeing them snog.....well yeah, that would definitely work for me ;D
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Post by mitsaso on Feb 18, 2010 11:16:17 GMT -5
Lol, so yes, obviously i had to get SOME sleep but i went to check...and there's NO NEW CHAPTER!!! no more casting until you finish! I admit i've never seen allan or lee in anything but if they do go forward with this, they've got to favor acting over looks, HEAVILY to even begin to approach the magic of the real chrolli. It struck me this morning that they might try to conflate and collapse the most relevant factors of VL into this show. So we have to have the class element in there, the rich vs the middle class (who are actually kind of upper middle and pretty comfortable) Family vs. Business, Sexuality, etc. We might see Chrolli kind of combined with (gasp) Luigor, as in Olli is rich, Christian is poor/middle class, he meets olli and falls in love and on top of trying to understand his own emergent sexuality, he's dealing with the whole class issue. It's difficult for me to envision how they're going to make the story fresh. That, on top of being able to find talent that can generate the chemistry that JoRe do - consistently - this really does have a lot of factors going against it... As to seeing them snog.....well yeah, that would definitely work for me ;D LOL it's finished now. Anyway, I believe that, since this is a soap opera we're talking about and HBO only does weekly shows (and dense ones, 12 or 15 episodes instead of 22), the story will have to change drastically. And, since obviously it can't only be the "will they or wont they" about the main couple, they will have to mix things up, maybe make them more complicated and definitely more twisted. So I can't even begin to speculate about what we're going to see, if this actually happens... unless it's just a mini series, in which case they can comfortably tie everything up in a few episodes and won't need to have multiple plot threads. My main interest thing, though, is how they will twist things up. Ollian are quite simplistic as a story once you get past Christian's initial fears to come out, and even the coming out thing has been done to death, the americans will need to change things up if they want to make it sound interesting to more people than just us.
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Post by Difficult Diva on Feb 18, 2010 12:12:02 GMT -5
I agree with you, Brownsugar. I'm shocked, amazed, hesistant and elated about the possibility that a US version might get the chance to be produced and aired on cable tv (I hope that's where it ends up). Really, it was only 2 years ago (well, starting back in Fall 2007 w/Oliver's return) that the Ollian rollercoaster was launched and folks started to get on board and never wanting it to end. I'm not worried about Jo and Thore's careers being stalled and/or overshadowed by the US version (if it gets produced). Remember, there was this OTHER fictional gay themed drama based in Manchester called, Queer As Folk, that was produced in 1999. That series gave us Aidan Gillen, Charlie Hunnam, Craig Kelly and Russel T. Davies. Aidan, Charlie and Craig have all been very successful in their acting careers after QAF UK ended and even with the success of the US version of QAF. But who would have guessed that this little know SOAP with its gay storyline playing over in Germany would grow into this phenomena. Kudos to Jo and Thore for the great job they done with their characters. Here's hoping this will help their careers move forward. They so deserve it since they are most definitely not your average SOAP actors. I truly wish the best for them.
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Post by stregatta on Feb 18, 2010 20:37:33 GMT -5
LOL Mitsaso & Thunderkat, really funny....BAD ROMANCE they should call the new version?! Lady Gaga à go-go xever & ever!!! ;D I won't be surprised at all to see her, after fashion & music into something like cinema/tv....Well, "the House of Gaga" would produce an hilarious tainted version of VL, that's for sure..... Regarding the possible casting, that's so hard,'cause I'm too stick, as the majority here, to Jo&Thore's super-faces...The only ones that come now to my mind are : OLLI_Roul Bova (an Italian actor, but has done something in US too, like "Under the Tuscan sun" or the kiss to Madonna in a MaxFactor's commercial, & others for GAP-brand...) CHRIS_Chad Michael Murray (yep, the 1 of "OneTreeHill" & others teen-films before) Well, hey Miss Ribo, please cheer up!! Nobody is going to die in war ...Our boyz will be safe&sound, no matter what,'cause they already have "la crème de la crème" of fans!! DON'T WORRY!! Besides, I don't think this is a good interesting sign, if HBO noticed VL... This fame could also bring, as Mona said, some extra-careful attention within the original show, isn't it?! Ciao
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 18, 2010 20:39:12 GMT -5
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Post by stregatta on Feb 18, 2010 20:46:11 GMT -5
Hi Chrollixever! Mmmhhh....I didn't know this Channing (what a name anyways?! ;-P), I had to google him, not bad, but really I don't know where to put in him in this game...
Ok, Chad could be good 'cause he's the brooding guy-type too, perhaps also Mr-Robert-Twilight-Pattinson could be a great Chrissie-baby?!*_* (he even made a wonderful movie called "Little Ashes" as painter Dalì, another gay-character..)
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Post by chrolliforever7 on Feb 18, 2010 20:52:14 GMT -5
Hey! Yessss, Robert Pattinson was in Little Ashes as Dali! good movie, btw...but yeah, he'd be good too, either him or Chad, I'd be totally ok with that!
But yeah, Channing Tatum was in "Dear John" and "Step Up." He's gorgggg but I dont think he'd make a good Olli, now that I think about it...he's kinda like Chad, brooding, intense, eyes half closed all the time, manly, grrrr. lollll Olli should be played by someone happier and bouncier
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Post by stregatta on Feb 18, 2010 21:10:13 GMT -5
Hey! Yessss, Robert Pattinson was in Little Ashes as Dali! good movie, btw...but yeah, he'd be good too, either him or Chad, I'd be totally ok with that! But yeah, Channing Tatum was in "Dear John" and "Step Up." He's gorgggg but I dont think he'd make a good Olli, now that I think about it...he's kinda like Chad, brooding, intense, eyes half closed all the time, manly, grrrr. lollll Olli should be played by someone happier and bouncier Ah...Ok, now I have figured out now who that actor is...Have a look to Raul too on YT & tell me if he's not ok for the part of Olli, I guess also for the mood of good guy, charming but not a bad boy, always a lover or a policeman !!
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