Emmerdale - Spoilers Discussion

[alicat]

Nov 27, 2009 13:34:30 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

Nov 27, 2009 13:13:47 GMT -5 alicat said:

Well the TV Times spoiler seems more in-keeping with the pace of this sl so far. Sounds like Aaron's hardly ripping Holly's clothes off ;D

yeah - but it's kinda conflicting earlier stuff
>>>>>Aaron freezes<<<<<

Gah!!!!!!

Oh nil desperandum, sheepiefarm - it still fits!! ;D ;D

From the official spoilers, Aaron freezes on Tuesday 15 December. The TV Times spoiler covers the Xmas period, and, as per Woman's Own, Aaron struggles with his sexuality over this time. So it's perfectly plausible that his struggle would include kissing Holly during this time. We don't know his reaction at this stage - he may hate it. It's a positive thing that the spoiler doesn't say "Aaron sleeps with Holly, but is still attracted to Adam".

I do think we've got to beware misleading spoilers though - it looks like some of the soap mags try to sensationalise - yesterday's A/V pic. At the end of the day, we can only really go by official spoilers from the ITV site. The listings mags and soap mags seem less trustworthy, in that order, but we'll probably be able to pick out the sensationalist ones as they'll not fit with what the majority are saying.

Goodness me, what a minefield!!

[teeny18]

Nov 26, 2009 9:46:14 GMT -5 valso said:

Thank you Alicat for all the spoilers and for the pic. I really can't wait to see how the scene will play out, I'm sure that Adam will be shocked ;D

Hey, I am so new here, but I would like to see the pic too...

I am so curious as to how this storyline will be told.

[maya]

Welcome Teeny and you can see the pic on the spoilers only thread

[teeny18]

Thank you so much.

[carld2]

This is the dialogue We Love Telly has for Adam's reaction. I'm not sure if it's genuine or if they're joking.

"What are you doing, you freak?" Adam snaps. "Why'd you try to stick your tongue down my throat?"

I'm not exactly surprised Adam has a bad reaction, although I'm not sure if we are supposed to see this as a nasty response designed to tell us Adam is straight and the story is about Aaron's feelings, or if Adam is just reacting that way because he's surprised, or if Adam may be in denial about what he feels for Aaron.

I guess unless further spoilers tell us otherwise I will assume the story is mainly about Aaron's struggle, not a relationship, although I would like to eventually see a relationship between them (as long as it's not one of those doomed misery types, like most Dingle relationships).

[sheepiefarm]

Okay - I've just spent this afternoon flicking through the soap mags in the supermarket to see what was being said about this storyline - I've no idea what I looked like and I don't care!! - Yes, I am obsessed - I know it - I admit it - shoot me now!!!

The following....
stunned
shocked
"What're you doing you freak"
"Adam has a violent reaction"
...pretty much sums up what is being said about "The Kiss"
I am disheartened (to say the least) but not unduly surprised by it, however, one mag had "the kiss" episode highlighted as "must see" indicating that this story has legs and is gonna run - hence get the viewers on board from the start!
Other headlines...."Am I gay"
which was a brief article on how Aaron struggles with his sexuality...
....and the one which gave me the most hope was a tagline spoiler for the coming year...
"Which rascally Dingle finds love"
I am aware that half the cast consist of Dingle family members, however, the two important words in that sentence are "rascally" and "love".
The word "rascally" has most often been quoted in conjunction with Aaron and his storylines. We know that Danny Millar is to be involved a "big" storyline for 2010 - and what would the point of a "gay coming out" storyline be, if it were not to find "love" at the end of it!!!
I am more convinced now than ever that there is gonna be a "love-story" and that it is gonna involve Adam Barton (there are way to many hints & subtleties for it to be anyone else)
however....
For those of you expecting a quick-fix / happy-clappy / boy-snog-boy / happy ever after storyline - please leave the building now - cos it ain't gonna happen!
For those of you willing to sit through the wringer / get angry / get angsty / cry & despair....then snuggle up, pass the chardonnay, arm yourself with a box of tissues and join me.

It's gonna happen - and we're going to go to hell & back before we get there!

>>>now I need to go and chew some furniture to relieve some of the tension<<<

[stl29tide]

^^^^Lol. Yeah, I have a feeling that nothing in this storyline is going to be easy and we're all going to need some chardonnay. Maybe we can start a drinking game. Everytime Aaron says the words "I'm not gay", take a drink. "I like Holly" or "I like girls". Take a drink. Lol.

Seriously though, I think this story definitely has legs. I don't think they would have Aaron just struggle with his sexuality. If they did, it ultimately wouldn't be much of a story. He needs to have someone who he's actually going to be intimate with and I think it will be Adam in the long run. He doesn't have a history with girls since he's been on. Aaron's going to continue seeing Holly and Adam is her brother, so the possibility of brother and sister having something going on with the same guy is just too good to pass up. There's so much they could do with the storyline and so far it's all been good I have to believe the writers know what they're doing and they're going to give us a very long, painful, heartfelt storyline between these two boys. It's definitely going to be a long process, but, often those are the best kinds. I can't wait. 2010 is going to be awesome!

[sheepiefarm]

Thanks for the new spoilers stl29tide

It's gonna be one hell of a week.......

>>>passes round the chardonnay<<<

[alicat]

*turns up with chocolates and tequila* ;D ;D ;D (tequila's only for special occasions, mind! )

I'm definitely in this for the long haul ... oooh can't wait for it all to kick off.

And the DS pics - my God, I didn't think I could get any more into this sl, but I've surpassed my own expectations - it looks just amazing

*gulps down some chardonnay* (thanks, sheepiefarm!)

*foresees much drunken behaviour on this thread*

[sheepiefarm]

*hic* >>>giggles<<<

eyes up the bottle of tequila....

call me sheepie

Oh yes - the pics - the PICS!!!!!.......loads of them

>>>makes mental note to call the wine merchant tomorrow<<<

[carld2]

It's interesting not knowing what exactly this story will be. The gay storylines on the other soaps in the past few years, you knew in advance what would happen, most of the time. This one, all we know for sure is Aaron tries to kiss Adam, is rebuffed angrily, and then he denies anything happened. The Soap Scoop said "It's at this point that Aaron's emotional journey of denial and self-loathing begins." so I guess this is going to go on for a while and get bad. I just hope Aaron finds happiness eventually I'd prefer it with Adam, but if not, then someone.

[alicat]

Nov 29, 2009 3:40:53 GMT -5 carld2 said:

It's interesting not knowing what exactly this story will be.

Exactly!! -I think that's the angle ED were going for, and well done to them because it's completely paying off. Look at the way the PR's been handled for this sl, and now the photos we've got. DS has got more photos up than the official itv website. Why? Possibly because DS was a hugely popular site with McDean fans back in the day. ED are definitely targetting their audience here. It's all looking incredibly well planned - both publicity and sl - and I think we're in for something special .

*helps self to black coffee and drifts off into happy thoughts*

[bluestreak]

Before seeing Adam's quote (assuming it's true) I considered that he might pull away because he is caught emotionally unprepared and spontaneously second guesses feelings that he's has for Aaron. However, the quote makes it sound more like a reaction of disgust, as though not only was he not emotionally prepared, but the thought hadn't even crossed his mind. Ever. Perhaps we were reading too much into the subtext of these recent scenes?

I'd really like to see the scene itself, though, because how that line is spoken could tell us a lot about Adam's feelings leading up to this point. Is it spoken with a tone of real ignorance, or a tone of quick defense so as not to betray his underlying feelings to Aaron just yet?

[sheepiefarm]

Nov 29, 2009 4:59:43 GMT -5 bluestreak said:

I'd really like to see the scene itself, though, because how that line is spoken could tell us a lot about Adam's feelings leading up to this point. Is it spoken with a tone of real ignorance, or a tone of quick defense so as not to betray his underlying feelings to Aaron just yet?

The thing that gives me a small glimmer of hope is that Adam doesn't just recoil in horror, get out the car & walk away as if he's completely disgusted - he attempts to talk to Aaron - albeit very tactlessly it would seem.
He also doesn't tell Holly about it - that's kinda curious - Aaron tried to kiss him AND run him over with the car. I'd have thought any self-respecting heterosexual brother would be putting his sister in the picture immediately.

>>>goes back to chewing the furniture<<<

[alicat]

Nov 29, 2009 8:32:19 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

The thing that gives me a small glimmer of hope is that Adam doesn't just recoil in horror, get out the car & walk away as if he's completely disgusted - he attempts to talk to Aaron - albeit very tactlessly it would seem.
He also doesn't tell Holly about it - that's kinda curious - Aaron tried to kiss him AND run him over with the car. I'd have thought any self-respecting heterosexual brother would be putting his sister in the picture immediately.

>>>goes back to chewing the furniture<<<

Adam prioritising Aaron over his sisters is becoming a common theme now - as well as sheepie's furniture chewing ... for heaven's sake steer clear of home furnishings stores, this could get costly .

First of all, there's the party at the vets when Hannah's able to slip out for a spot of underage drinking when Adam's more concerned about Aaron.

Secondly, as above, Adam keeps quiet about Aaron being potentially gay/bi and more worryingly dangerous, especially remarkable since Adam knows that Aaron previously cut the brakes on Carl's car and seemingly still hasn't learnt that endangering peoples' lives is not the best way forward. Also, a couple of characters - one was Ryan, can't remember the other - have warned Adam about being on the wrong side of Aaron. Yet still he says nothing to Holly.

The DS spoiler for Wed 09 December reads ... Holly's stunned by Aaron's disinterest in her and is frustrated when her flirting goes unnoticed. Instead, Aaron spurs a play fight with Adam, who abandons Holly, allowing her to walk home by herself.

Finally, on Thurs 10 Dec ... Moira warns Adam to keep an eye out for Holly as she doesn't trust Aaron. Later ... the boys are forced to leave [the club] ... they decide to drive home. - Holly's sidelined yet again. (Yey!! ;D)

Actions are definitely speaking louder than words here ...

[esmi]

OMG. Very detailed (and alarming) spoilers. All the elements of great (melo)drama are in the air. Hopefully, the writes get it right, and there will be many rewarding (tender and cute) moments along the way (and Aaron doesn't inflict GBH on anybody before that). The suspense is almost unbearable, and I'm afraid that I've to resort to some wonderful concoction of fruit juices and spirits soon

[stl29tide]

Yeah, even though Adam says that line or whatever, I still have hope for the two. Something just doesn't seem right about the way Adam handles it afterwards either. He comes home limping and says nothing to his family or sister of what happened. He even gets angry at Holly when she tries to suggest that they were fighting over her. His family can't figure out why he has a sudden hatred towards Aaron, but for a brother who's always trying to "protect" his sisters, he's still not telling Holly anything and he goes to try to talk to Aaron again. I don't know. Something just isn't adding up. This is going to be a LONG storyline and it really can go in many different directions, which is exciting. I get the journey that Aaron is going to be going through, but, in my opinion something's not adding up with Adam and even if it's much later, I think he might be going on the same journey as Aaron.

[sheepiefarm]

Okay - now just close your eyes & imagine the rest

[carld2]

I was tired last night when I posted and I didn't see the one about Aaron being so furious that he almost runs Adam over! Gee, no wonder Adam goes off him. Yet, as others have said, he still doesn't tell the whole truth. At least not yet.

I do wonder who this will end up being about but either way I just hope Aaron can pull himself together eventually. Obviously Aaron has many anger issues beyond his sexual orientation but I would hate to see him have an unhappy ending, especially if its spurred on by his discovery of his feelings for Adam.

Then the question becomes whether the show will say this is based just on Adam, or if Adam was a trigger, and he will now find himself drawn to other men besides Adam.

I know one spoiler said a "rascally Dingle" finds love. I'm not sure if that's about Aaron, or about Sam (who is going to become close to Olena). If Sam can be called "rascally".

[carld2]

Oh, and I'm glad we'll get to see Clyde again.

[sheepiefarm]

Nov 29, 2009 16:33:02 GMT -5 carld2 said:

I know one spoiler said a "rascally Dingle" finds love. I'm not sure if that's about Aaron, or about Sam (who is going to become close to Olena). If Sam can be called "rascally".

*pop* - that was my bubble just bursting

I'd completely forgotten about Sam - he's hardly been featured of late - and yes, there is definitely a Sam / Olena pairing in the offing - oh well.........

[alicat]

Nov 29, 2009 14:50:03 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

Okay - now just close your eyes & imagine the rest

Exactly!!!! That's what ED wants us to do!!!! Because they're building this up, they want us to want this pairing.

If they were just going to do an sl about Aaron turning gay/bi, why build it up that Adam's such a good match for him, even show us how good they'd look together, only to have Aaron go off with someone else, or fade into the background with the knowledge that he likes men??? Surely that'd be like shooting themselves in the foot - showing how good an sl could be, then following it up with a second-rate one - a complete anti-climax. I give the writers more credit than that.

In the end, I really want for these two to experience their own inner turmoil, and then 'save' each other - that will be just incredible.

As for the "rascally" Dingle, well that could be any of them - that's a characteristic common to most family members. But I do think it's Sam. Looking at the way that ED are handling a possible AA pairing - atm they're directing all our attention on Aaron and his journey, no hint of him finding love because that would imply love as in being with Adam. And they're going to great lengths to keep Adam ambiguous, for now. Love is way down the line for Aaron, because we have to be 'surprised' by Adam first . I reckon they'll make us almost give up hope, and then at the last minute ... BANG!! And we'll start to see what could be ;D ;D ;D.

[alicat]

Oh and I forgot to say ... thanks to everyone that's posted spoilers this weekend - seems there are loads out there, and between us I think we've got them pretty much covered ;D

[cheerios]

I think these feelings are suppose to take Aaron by surprise as much as Adam. Aaron I think since he has hit puberty has liked girls, but it has never gone well for him. And he has never really has the greatest relationships with people. Then along comes Adam and things just seem to work. And I think in that moment in the rush of charged emotions all Aaron can see is Adam and everything is telling Aaron to kiss Adam. He's in as complete shock as much as Adam as what he has just done. And then fear, panic, and embarrassment sit in and he won't deal with the situation.

[Nitty]

Excited!!! This is gonna be a love story, I can tell!