O Beijo do Escorpião's Paulo

[jjose712]

This week Paulo and Miguel were barely there (with all Rita and Fernando's drama). I don't even remember Miguel, and Paulo was simply supporting his sister. But tonight it will be an interesting scene (or at least that's what it seems from the preview) when Paulo tells Miguel: you were drunk not dead, why you didn't stop it.

Hopefully the storyline move on from here. The show is really entertainment (i love it) but this storyline is a bit stalled, and i would like to see the other side of Miguel, because frankly it's difficult to understand why Paulo is in love with him when he is acting like jerk all the time

[jijiang1987]

Jun 27, 2014 9:40:00 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

This week Paulo and Miguel were barely there (with all Rita and Fernando's drama). I don't even remember Miguel, and Paulo was simply supporting his sister. But tonight it will be an interesting scene (or at least that's what it seems from the preview) when Paulo tells Miguel: you were drunk not dead, why you didn't stop it.

Hopefully the storyline move on from here. The show is really entertainment (i love it) but this storyline is a bit stalled, and i would like to see the other side of Miguel, because frankly it's difficult to understand why Paulo is in love with him when he is acting like jerk all the time

I still miss Leo very much~poor man~

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[jjose712]

As expected the stoyline is moving on. Yesterday's episode wasn't a big change, but it's clear the balance in their relationship is changing. Miguel was as jerk as ever, but it seems Paulo is a little tired of that, and in tonight's episode preview Miguel will go chat with Andre's psychologist and he tells him that he slept with Paulo.

There is other thing that is quite subtle but is showed since their relationship fell apart, Paulo has friends, Miguel no. It's not only Marta, we see Paulo several times with other friends, but in this whole time Miguel had a couple of hook ups and that's all. And the fact that he felt the need to exhibit his hook ups in front of everyone speaks really louder, and fact his own brother told himself that he was acting like he has the need to prove something.
Hopefully we'll see another face of Miguel soon

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I breezed through some of the most recent episodes in full, and even though I don't even understand 1/3 of what is being said, the Rita drama caught my attention. I must say, the actress playing Rita has been fab. Her reaction upon finding out about her husband and her sister (right?) was good soap entertainment. Alice (who I find so gorgeous in sometimes unassuming ways by the way) seems like a good kind of villain that doesn't necessarily look like the typical villain, and I need Rita to give it to her good. Rita needs to kick both her conniving sister and her idiotic cheating horndog husband to the curb. He couldn't even be bothered to go after his wife but in between his moping times, kept defending Alice to the kids, letting her stay in the house and still kissing and almost joining her in bed in that same damn house. I don't even dislike the character, but that was pathetic and repulsive.

That's how novelas can entertain IMO, either done this way or just ridiculously over the top. But since I haven't watched the beginning and can only catch a word or two here and there, I do wonder what Alice's plan actually is if she has one (because she seems to be up to more than just playing the girl enamored with her brother-in-law) when it comes to Rita and her family, and also what exactly is going on with her and that other guy?

As for Paulo, he needs to steer clear of Miguel. I don't care how confused he is, his brutal physical assault of Paulo and constant emotional beating of the guy have been too much. I don't get how Paulo's brother even managed to stay cordial to him. Let him deal with his demons and don't make it so easy on him when/if he does. Paulo was right; he might have been drunk, but he wasn't dead. The drunk excuse never flies high with me anyway.

[jjose712]

The show has so many interesting storylines, and most characters are not one dimensional. Alice is really bad (but very beautiful) but she has weakness. Rita is the perfect heroine, she is good but she is inteligent and has an strong character. I fondly remind the actress from another telenovela, Ninguem como tu, wich has gay characters too (one of them was the actor who played the villain who ciberharrased Carlota).

Teresa, Paulo's sister is a very likeable character too, and his older brother had a very nice evolution in recent episodes.
On the other hand Fernando is more and more annoying in every episode. He choosing Alice over his sons (knowing how much Andre suffer since the kipnapping) was selfish beyond belief.

The show has other villains, Roman is specially creepy

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It's really amazing how self-centered Fernando's being on top of everything else. For an apparently reasonable man in usual settings, he's thinking with the wrong head for sure here. It's as if the ideal for him would be for everyone to stay nicely put in the house while he takes his time making up his mind as to who he wants to be with. Never mind that he screwed around in his and his family's home with his sister-in-law and was found in bed with her by Andre, his already traumatized son. He just stands by Alice before his sons and chooses to believe her every word, doesn't bother to find out how his wife is coping and doesn't even pay nearly enough mind to the fact that Andre is literally a walking ticking bomb who doesn't need more ammo to go off.

There are definitely interesting characters and for the most part, dialogues seem to flow well. I kind of wish I could understand everything better. Antonio's wife is another character who can be both so annoying and entertaining. I loved how jealous she got when Rita turned to Teresa instead of her, lol.

[jjose712]

Yes, Xana is a very bipolar character (in contrast with her husband), she is a good friend but on the other hand she has a tendency to intervein in things that are not of her business. She is very worried with what other people think, and even when the conservative of her family is supposed to be her husband she made a good bunch of homophobic comments and it was more worried about Miguel than about Paulo (who is her direct family) when Miguel bash Paulo.
Xana is very funny (sometimes) and yes, she always says that Rita is her best friend, but of course if Rita wants advice, Teresa is always the first choice (nobody can blame her for that, except Xana of course)
And she reacted really bad on the mess her daughter created. Antonio on the other hand is more calm and take his time to react. I like him a lot more since he knew all about Paulo, he reacted really well, didn't let Fernando or Miguel push their ideas on him, he was always clear about not blaming Paulo for everything it happened.

Paulo and Miguel got a lot of screentime in yesterday's episode, unfortunately the connection was pretty bad and i didn't understand a word (fortunately the whole episodes are posted in youtube).
Miguel went to see Andre's therapist and by the reaction he seemed to not like what Afonso said.
Paulo's had a very strong masochistic vein because he confeses to Teresa (to her dismay) that he loves Miguel even more now

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Well yes, Xana. Don't know where I got that other name from. Her reaction to Paulo and Miguel was indeed atrocious. Antonio definitely didn't let her comments waver his very reasonable attitude. The whole thing seemed to have made him a bit closer to Paulo as well, which was apparently not the case before.

Jun 29, 2014 6:54:40 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Paulo's had a very strong masochistic vein because he confeses to Teresa (to her dismay) that he loves Miguel even more now

Lol, this fool needs to love himself a bit more. That can't be healthy. Miguel's aversion (and sheer ignorance) as to all things "homosexual", besides the obvious, during that talk with the therapist might indicate that he's not nearly done screwing with Paulo anyway, so let's see how much more in love he can get. As for Fernando, it's just stupidity. Being so deftly manipulated by Alice whom he keeps being protective of and treating his wife and son like the crazy ones. It seems Alice is making missteps in whatever her twisted plan is though, having basically only Fernando as her lifeline within the family now. The actress playing Rita was awesome again.

Also, I want to make sure I understood something Andre had said correctly. Did Alice actually hit on her nephew too (and did they actually have sex)? Did I get that one right? That would be beyond. What the hell did her sister ever do to her for her to go that far? Ah, novelas.

[jjose712]

Macari, you get the name correctly, her name is Alexandra, but everybody call her Xana.

And if they really true to their character Miguel and Paulo would end in a bdsm relationship
For the life of me that i can't see what Paulo sees in Miguel, yes he is gorgeous (and probably funny in the parties) but everybody thinks Miguel is inmature (wich is true). I suppose Paulo watching him working sees other side of Miguel. It's pretty obvious that Miguel feels something for Paulo, he was really worried about the bad weather in Spain when Paulo was flying, but he seems very far from the moment he will be able to accept those feeling.
And now that Paulo seems to believe that Miguel has feelings for him too, he will be more than ready for another session of humiliations.
Hopefully Miguel will follow Afonso's advice and will chat with Paulo and evaluate his feelings, but with that macho mentallity (that shares with his boss, but not with most members of his family) i doubt he will evolve soon. And i fear that he will only gain the valour to confront his feelings if he gets drunk again.

Fernando is incredibly stupid, their affair is to recent to even believe there are feelings involved, but everybody seems to act stupid around Alice, Andre and Rafa got trapped too.
From all characters only Teresa, Xana and Duarte didn't like her from the beginning (Maria hate her but for obvious reasons, Andre dump her for Alice).

And yes, Andre slept with Alice. She was waiting for Fernando and had to act soon to not be discover.
I didn't watch the first episodes (i started when Paulo and Miguel slept together), but Alice was with Andre soon after being admitted in her sister's home. She was even expelled from the house, but Andre lied and said it was all her fault.

Alice and Rita share their mother, but they didn't know each other till recently. I don't know the circumstances, but Rita had a good life, and Alice endured abuses and not having money, so she want revenge (even when Rita never did nothing bad to her).

At least Alice has some charm as villiam, Roman is pure creepiness

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Ah, so the full name was Alexandra. My extremely limited language skills here make me doubt things.

Thanks for all the backstory. I figured there might have been estrangement between the sisters to sort of explain Alice's motives, though it's still not a justification. She is a charming villain, for sure. The way she goes about it is so twisted; I can't get over sleeping with her nephew. But it kind of cracks me up when she shows her colors then reverts to playing the wide-eyed victim when Fernando appears. Speaking of Fernando, I'd like the character to give me a little more because while he's also an intended victim in Alice's web like the others, since the reveal, he just gives me next to nothing to work with to somewhat empathize with him.

The actor playing Roman already looks fantastically creepy, even in the way he moves, it definitely helps the role.

Miguel is most of the time really ridiculous with his immaturity as you say and his overall ignorance, but he just doesn't seem to know boundaries with his actions and I don't doubt he'd put every threat he makes to Paulo into execution. Paulo's really being a glutton for punishment when Miguel's concerned at this point. BDSM indeed, lol.

[kevvoi]

LGBT Hoje is also uploading the storyline -- but still unfortunately without English subtitles:

www.youtube.com/channel/UCZgS0RblsVnh1ympWWEG5Fw

[jjose712]

And i totally forgot that Miguel beated Paulo, so he beated him, verbally abuse him and blackmail him (or to be true, he threat to blackmail and tell everybody that Paulo is gay), and Paulo is totally smitten by the thought that Miguel probably is gay too or at least he likes men.
Yes, their relationship is very promising, specially if you like hardcore
Of course Paulo is not exactly out and proud, there are only two people he came out in a natural way, his sister Teresa and his friend Marta, the rest know he is gay because of the fight with Miguel (with the exception of Manel who knew it because his sister Marta told him when he was teasing her about her relationship with Paulo, in fact Ricardo thinks that between Marta and Paulo there's something more than friendship)

Roman is creepy beyond belief, even more than Enrique, who from time to time shows his humanity. And Roman is up to no good, in a lot of fronts, some of then are not even clear. If my memory doesn't fail, the actor who plays Roman played a gay musician whose long time partner died on another telenovela who has a lot of trouble with the parents of his late lover. He was fragile and sweet there, wich is almost unbelievable watching Roman (i remember him being the bad guy in other soap, i remember the actress that plays Rita being the villain too, but generally she plays the good girl witch character).
Of course Roman is moving like a fish in the water in such dysfunctional family. Natalia is totally traumatized, and i think her feeling for the husband of her late sister it will add more confussion.

Alice's plan was pretty flawed and it seems it will explode in her face. Apart of the fact that being dumb for getting the attention of a young and beautiful woman, there's absolutely nothing that sustain Fernando and Alice's relationship. Of course a couple of hook ups where enough to shake his marriage, maybe forever.

And the new Fredo's storyline is quite suspicious, there's something wrong there, i don't know if it is his boss or the fisherman, but something is not right

[kevvoi]

New clips courtesy of Paulo Escorpiao:

[jjose712]

This storyline could hit a brick wall soon. It seems that Miguel is going to tell his homophobic boss that Paulo is gay and that could be lethal.
Paulo has two options, tell the truth or lie, and it's difficult to root for him if he lies (in fact is difficult to root for two characters that are constantly lying to themselves and to others).
Miguel simply is too difficult to redeem right now.

In my opinion the best scenenario is the one when Paulo tells the truth is fired and sue his stupid boss and forget about Miguel. Unfortunately i don't expect that. And the only way that make them work as couple in a future (the show is very far from its end and this is a soap and it would be very surprising if they don't end together) is to switch the power dynamics. In fact it's not that difficul (it happened in this season of Shameless), but if Miguel continues to act like a jerk, damaging Paulo for the sake of not wanting to recognize his feelings, and Paulo don't reacting and feeling more and more in love with Miguel (he needs a slap but i'm afraid that he will like it) they will be unrootable as couple.
Of course there are a posibility to introduce a new gay character for Paulo that makes him react (or even better make him and Miguel react)

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Jul 2, 2014 0:20:39 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

In my opinion the best scenenario is the one when Paulo tells the truth is fired and sue his stupid boss and forget about Miguel. Unfortunately i don't expect that.

Well, me neither. Considering that the last time Miguel did something on the attack (suggesting to bring dates at the office party) Paulo responded by burying himself a bit deeper in the lie, I expect him to find another novel way to affirm his "straightness". But the important thing is that Paulo will get to be even more in love than before with the jerk, new mistreatment and all. Miguel pushes, Paulo reacts accordingly by grabbing the shovel instead of really taking a stand for himself. Honestly, I don't see the show letting go of the Paulo-Miguel thing anytime soon. The dynamics have been kind of set and oddly go unchallenged in actual action (not just words) by Paulo so far, quite the opposite. We'll see, I guess.

Alice is so crazy, but her weaknesses are currently getting more and more exposed the more calculating she tries to be. There's evilness there, but it's more desperate than really smart right now. I haven't seen or understood it all, but is what she has on Rafael (who doesn't want to return to jail) really that powerful? I know there's a dead body there, but there's a confession from her on tape now too. Seeing her interacting with Roman also makes it so easy to see who has the upper hand in the dynamic and makes her look all that less in control.

I also admit that I hadn't paid much attention to Natalia and Manuel, or Frederico either in my skimming. But it seems that Natalia's feelings for Manuel are returned. Did Manuel even grieve for that long? Either way, besides the obvious fact that they are/were in-laws, they would have to tread carefully as far as Roman is concerned; that wouldn't sit well with his plans at all. I see the creepy vibe swirling around Frederico's story right now, but it kind of grabs me now mostly because the character/actor has such a nice, innocent lamb look to him.

[jjose712]

Yes, that's exactly what it seems to happen. Paulo seems extremely comfortably with Marta's "friendship", and he doesn't have any problem with lying.
I could end disliking Paulo even more than Miguel. I don't like Miguel but at least i understand him, i can't say the same with Paulo.
He is not poor, he knows his boss, and he knows that sooner or later he will get a problem with him, and instead of start watching for another flying companys (the kind of work is not known for its homophobia so it doesn't seem that difficult to find another job when he has no reason to lie) he is more and more into lying.

It's very difficult that Miguel respects Paulo, because Paulo doesn't respect himself in first place. To honest i would prefer Paulo getting fire and Miguel feeling regret, but i don't think the storyline will go there.

There's always a moment when you dislike an storyline, and i think i'm on the verge of disliking this.


Something happened the night Alice's mother died, and she has a video that incriminates Rafa, it seems it was an accident, but the images seems to be enough to plant some doubts so he could end in jail again (and he didn't like the experience the time before). I think his mother wanted to blackmail Alice, because she has proves Alice killed Rodrigo.
Alice is totally crumble, her plan has many flaws, the first one she hasn't time enough to make Fernando fall for her. He was confused, but not enough to be by her side in the long run, and now she is totally out of control

[kevvoi]

New clip courtesy of Paulo Escorpiao:

[jjose712]

I have a lot of trouble with the singal of tvi lately, fortunately the episodes are updates online really fast.

We joke about the bdsm nature of their relationship, but in the last episode Miguel spat in Paulo's face, so this is getting hardcore by the moment.

Miguel is annoying as hell, but i don't like Paulo's attitude either. He went all gay pride and saying that he would kiss Miguel in the middle of the street and all that, when the truth is that he is almost closeted. The only difference between him and Miguel is that Paulo knows is gay and accept it.
And i didn't undertand why Miguel wanted to talk with Paulo, because telling that he talked to his boss only made Paulo being alert and using a (pathetic) excuse. Frankly i don't know how he is going to deal with all that marriage. I think Marta could fall for him (even kowing he is gay) but i doubt she would indulge in those feelings.
He better look for another job as soon as possible, because sooner or later the situation will explode in his face (i think it would end exploding in Miguel's face too)

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I think Miguel is way more of a despicable person than Paulo could dream to be. Spitting in Paulo's face was another level of scummy, but I still don't see the show allowing Paulo to let go, which they really should. Regardless of what he may or may not feel inside or deny, Miguel's complete lack of boundaries and general self-centered attitude are unjustified and quite unbecoming. I thought it even kind of showed in his talk with Fernando as well, from the little I understood.

Paulo being a hardcore closeted case and fool in love with who he shouldn't be don't come close to that IMO. Hell, as frustrating as it is, I could even sort of understand Paulo's desire to keep his job at all cost, whether he has other options or not, though it'd please me greatly to see him stick it to his disgusting boss. Another thing is that Paulo has been honest with Marta from the beginning; sure, he is using her, but he is not taking advantage of her, unlike some other storylines and unlike Miguel himself, who has no qualms using unaware girls left and right to not deal with whatever. Paulo and Marta should be very careful from here on though, she is starting to have starry eyes around the guy. She might actually agree with continuing the charade less for him than for herself.

Paulo is certainly pathetic in regards to Miguel and his games and my sympathy is more than limited there considering he can see Miguel for what he is, but Miguel can be truly, truly ugly and vile in words as well as actions. I really have no desire to root for them to get together; it's not healthy and it doesn't bode well if they do get together. All in all, Paulo doesn't even need Miguel in his life. It has been plainly obvious that Paulo can stand up for himself and take charge. It wouldn't be hard to make the character move on and take control over everything, but I don't see the writers do that at this point.

[jjose712]

In fact Paulo moving on (on another job, on another love) it's the easiest way to move the whole storyline. Paulo needs to stop being a doormat, and the day he stop taking Miguel's crap everything will change.

In fact it's more possible that Miguel will be able to accept his feelings if Paulo is not there to take his frustration. Being far from each other will be good for both, or at least for Paulo.

I think Miguel sooner or later will be on therapy, because frankly, he is an inmature jerk and i can't see him dealing with the situation all by himself.

Right now they are in a point of no return if they want to have a healthy relationship in the future (even if it's a simple friendship not even on the level of what they have, but i have the opinion that their friendship were not that great in first place because Paulo never was comfortable enough to come out, something that he did with Marta when he barely knew her).

I want to see how Miguel is going to deal with what happened between Rita and Fernando. The truth is he is totally isolated, Rita or his nephews are not going to be comprehensive with his behaviour (not in normal circumstances not in their circumstances now), and he has no real friends. So the only way to recover is the therapist.
That if he is not going to sink any lower now that he didn't get what he wanted. I hope they won't go there, Miguel will be a character difficult to redeem (Paulo on the other show a lot of positive traits that will make him a likeable character with little effort) so it will be good if they start to show his less violent side, start to calm down, and show him in something positive. It will be good for the character and to understand why Paulo like him so much (it's important to remember that Paulo was defending Miguel in a lot of discussion because most people think he is an irresponsible brat, wich sincerely doesn't seem far from reality).

Of course the show is very far from the end, but i hope the storyline will move or at least take a turning point for the better

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Jul 4, 2014 13:20:55 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

Of course the show is very far from the end, but i hope the storyline will move or at least take a turning point for the better

I agree. Miguel has shown a couple signs of questioning or caring for Paulo, but they are extremely scarce and almost insignificant, failing to amount to anything even as substantial as the negative actions that he still chooses to take. Even in settings unrelated to Paulo, there is no real depth to redeem the character; the talk with Fernando could have been an opportunity to do something of substance, but it ended up adding nothing of positive depth for him and actually even slightly going the other way, at least to me. If there's a turning point, it has be big enough with the character himself for me to even find the (potential) pairing close to remotely sensical.

[jjose712]

I like how Marta reacted to the news, it's good Paulo has her in his live (wich means screentime too now that Teresa is out for a while). And it was good he put a stop on Miguel, or at least he tried

[jjose712]

Wow, i wasn't expecting what happened with Fernando (at all).

Paulo and Miguel storyline didn't advance, Paulo's friendship with Marta is really cute. I find quite difficult to believe the homophobic waiter scene with Miguel, 20 years ago, maybe, but now i doubt a waiter would say such homophobic speech to someone he didn't know at all expecting the customer to agree with him. Of course that ended with the flashback of Miguel thinking when Paulo told him he would kiss him in the middle of the street. Hopefully this will move on now, Miguel wasn't involved in Rita and Fernando's break up, but he will be involved now for sure

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This novela doesn't see limits in order to sensationalize instantly, lol. I was expecting Fernando to be shot, with all the anvil dropping especially with Andre and the way the whole Manuel-shopping place plot played out up to his last conversation with Fernando (which was all pretty ridiculous), but I wouldn't necessarily have expected him to die. It sure gives attention and opens a whole new wave of storyline possibilities for pretty much every character on the show. Whether necessary or not, well executed or not, it's something big enough to shake a lot of things. Poor Rita can't catch a break though.

Roman should try to find another partner in crime. Alice is becoming more of a liability than a reliable ally. She snaps and slips too much, too fast.

Paulo and Marta are cute. I just hope it doesn't get more complicated later for either one of them, but how fun would that be with this show? The bar scene seemed indeed much, but it's not so much that it was out of the realm of possibility to me (I can see stuff like that sort of happen in certain localities), it's just that it was another punctual thing that's supposed to make us see Miguel's inner thoughts yet it's once again too punctual or random for me to really connect to it. We'll see how he deals with the Fernando situation. I just hope it won't be an instant thing that drives him directly to Paulo somehow without in-depth character evolution again. I don't need to see them have another thing together, least of all like that, but it wouldn't shock me if it came to that.

[jjose712]

Maybe not an instant thing, but of all characters of the show Paulo is the only who really cares about Miguel (apart of his nephews who of course are not in the mood to be his crying shoulder).

What i find unbelievable of the conversation on the bar is the fact that being the bartender the one who says all the homophobic stuff, if it was a customer it would be different, but a bartender is exposed to complains and he was talking with someone he doesn't know at all. I know some people are totally unaware that the whole world doesn't share their views, but for someone who could lose his job (if there are gay customers there is maybe the owner of the bar doesn't share the bartender's views) if someone complain i think the whole scene was unnecesary (i lost the signal last night and till i watch the scenes again i though Miguel was in a gay bar, of course i think he is too far from that right now).

The curious thing is with the type of relationship they have, probably the more Paulo ignores him, the more interested (or having more doubts) Miguel gets.

Fernando's death was a total surprise, i thought he will be shooted but not dead (they don't even went to drag the storyline with lots of hospital scenes).
Fernando was completely unlikeable recently but he was a main character, totally prominent, so this was not expected at all.
And probably his killer will be a surprise too. I don't think there's a chance the Manel killed him, first of all, he was not fired till Rita and Antonio decided (and there's no way in hell that Rita do that). It's quite bad that last thing Fernando did was being ungrateful with the man who saved his life.

Alice is totally out of control, and Romao better watch out, because nobody get better after being in hospital that Enrique's wife. Now she stopped drinking, she seems able to make Enrique realize that Romao is not the servile worker he pretends around him