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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 21:10:15 GMT -5
Oh, this show....! So yesterday Lupe went to see Hector to tell him Nora and Diego can't get married because Diego is gay. Hector flipped and vowed that Diego and Nora would marry. Flash forward a month and everyone is watching Miranda's trial for screwing Mauricio on television. Alejandro goes up to Diego and says 'Diego, it's been a month and you haven't spoken to me! Whyyyyyy?' Diego says 'Go away, Alejandro, you're sick'. And that was that. The desperate levels TPTB have gone to eliminate ANY cohesion for ANY of their storylines for thus show especially the "gay in name ONLY" continues to amaze me. Jumping an entire month ahead?! I hope the producers of the original series got paid big time for selling the rights for this abysmal adaptation AND that they can say they had absolutely no hand in this production. It's just a huge failure. Last year, it's MTV's version of Skins and now it's Telemundo with egg on their face. They had such a great premise to work with and they just wasted it for the entire show, not just "the gay in name only" storyline. I 100% agree i think if they stuck with the premise of having the students be the main focus and a little less Mauricio and Miranda and equal screen time for story this could of worked out great and also not censoring the gay part basically |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 21:52:09 GMT -5
ok what did diego say to Nora
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 19, 2012 23:01:17 GMT -5
Oh, this show....! So yesterday Lupe went to see Hector to tell him Nora and Diego can't get married because Diego is gay. Hector flipped and vowed that Diego and Nora would marry. Flash forward a month and everyone is watching Miranda's trial for screwing Mauricio on television. Alejandro goes up to Diego and says 'Diego, it's been a month and you haven't spoken to me! Whyyyyyy?' Diego says 'Go away, Alejandro, you're sick'. And that was that. Was that the final episode? There's nothing more? They're going to end it with Ale being pronounced sick by the guy who supposedly loves him? Tyrannical, morbid, homophobic hatred wins out? |
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Post by 2catsfl on Jun 19, 2012 23:14:57 GMT -5
@ rick532 - basically/paraphrasing: Diego told Nora that he was going crazy; because when Nora told her mother, who then told Diego's father, he's been taking Diego to the shrink every day and Diego has been getting electro-therapy shocks to make him straight; so he is basically pleading with Nora to marry him.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2012 23:18:56 GMT -5
@ rick532 - basically/paraphrasing: Diego told Nora that he was going crazy; because when Nora told her mother, who then told Diego's father, he's been taking Diego to the shrink every day and Diego has been getting electro-therapy shocks to make him straight; so he is basically pleading with Nora to marry him. Thanks and wow why wont he just stand up to his father and be with Alejandro |
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 19, 2012 23:20:26 GMT -5
There are a lot of communities that use electro shock therapy to "treat" male homosexuality. Evangelicals, Mormons and others.
This is NOT a representation of how people from Spanish-speaking countries (or descendent thereof) think about homosexuality.
You can't tell what an entire "community" feels about something just from watching one television show.
Not to mention that there have been shows from Argentina, Mexico and other countries that don't shy away from depicting romance and sex scenes with gay characters.
Telemundo represents Telemundo.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 19, 2012 23:41:37 GMT -5
Was that the final episode? There's nothing more? They're going to end it with Ale being pronounced sick by the guy who supposedly loves him? Tyrannical, morbid, homophobic hatred wins out? I thought he meant that was it for the episode, not for the series. |
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 19, 2012 23:59:07 GMT -5
Was that the final episode? There's nothing more? They're going to end it with Ale being pronounced sick by the guy who supposedly loves him? Tyrannical, morbid, homophobic hatred wins out? I thought he meant that was it for the episode, not for the series. I panicked! It does look like there is more to come. It's inconceivable to me that this is where they could possibly end the Diego-Ale story - with Diego getting electroshock treatments to make him straight. Electroshock therapy to treat homosexuality is barbaric and hasn't been practiced for decades. No communities currently use it since is is not condoned by the American Psychological Association. Even the Mormons abandoned it in the '70s. A show that concludes with a gay character getting electroshock therapy could, should, and probably would attract large scale protests and denunciations. So I'm thinking, hoping that Diego eventually does vanquish his terrible father.  |
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Post by josean06 on Jun 20, 2012 1:56:30 GMT -5
So I'm thinking, hoping that Diego eventually does vanquish his terrible father. Lets hope he has Piper's blowing up powers! I did not expect any of what happened from today's episode I tell you that. |
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 20, 2012 6:50:23 GMT -5
The writers and producers of this novela, plus Telemundo, should all undergo electroshock therapy ...What a horrible, horrible plot, for God's sake. It's unbelievable a night time soap, in the U.S.A., and in 2012, has decided to tell such a retrograde story  It's clear this has been tailored for a determined audience, what makes me think TPTB has a pretty disturbing concept about the target, don't you think?   |
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 20, 2012 16:29:00 GMT -5
I thought he meant that was it for the episode, not for the series. I panicked! It does look like there is more to come. It's inconceivable to me that this is where they could possibly end the Diego-Ale story - with Diego getting electroshock treatments to make him straight. Electroshock therapy to treat homosexuality is barbaric and hasn't been practiced for decades. No communities currently use it since is is not condoned by the American Psychological Association. Even the Mormons abandoned it in the '70s. A show that concludes with a gay character getting electroshock therapy could, should, and probably would attract large scale protests and denunciations. So I'm thinking, hoping that Diego eventually does vanquish his terrible father. That is not true. Yes the APA had denounced any and all anti-gay therapies. But the Mormon church and many branches of Evangelicals CONTINUE in 2012 to use electroshock therapy. And there are PLENTY of protests and media coverage WHEN these instances come to light. You are misrepresenting the experiences of a lot of young people who've struggled through these "therapies". I know this is just a TV show. But there are real world issues being presented there. We can't bury our head in the sand and think that just because APA says jump, Christian Right organizations are gonna say "How high!". I get that we don't like to think that horrible things happen to gay people in the US. But we can't be blind to it or we leave LGBT youth vulnerable and isolated without hope. |
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Post by talula on Jun 20, 2012 16:48:18 GMT -5
I get that we don't like to think that horrible things happen to gay people in the US. But we can't be blind to it or we leave LGBT youth vulnerable and isolated without hope. yeah, horrible thing still happen with gay people in US but also a lot of good things happen with gay people in real life (relationship,love,sex, happy moments with your boyfriend and etc.,) and almost none of them been shown on this terribly written show, the whole thing with telling a gay storyline it's just a big big depressing and cowardly done failure. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 17:04:52 GMT -5
I get that we don't like to think that horrible things happen to gay people in the US. But we can't be blind to it or we leave LGBT youth vulnerable and isolated without hope. yeah, horrible thing still happen with gay people in US but also a lot of good things happen with gay people in real life (relationship,love,sex, happy moments with your boyfriend and etc.,) and almost none of them been shown on this terribly written show, the whole thing with telling a gay storyline it's just a big big depressing and cowardly done failure. i agree all they are really showing is negative right when a good thing happens why wont they just have Diego finally stand up to his father and finally be with Alejandro |
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Post by Zathras on Jun 20, 2012 21:05:00 GMT -5
Well, it might have been a more worthwhile aspect to include in the show if they had bothered to actually try to present it. And the consequences of that kind of prejudice and narrow-minded "help". Like if we saw Diego slowly (or quickly?) falling apart because of it. Instead we just got that one exclamation to Nora. I guess it was so poorly done that I would prefer they hadn't gone there. With that said, I just can't get too worked up over it.  |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 20, 2012 22:29:16 GMT -5
yeah, horrible thing still happen with gay people in US but also a lot of good things happen with gay people in real life (relationship,love,sex, happy moments with your boyfriend and etc.,) and almost none of them been shown on this terribly written show, the whole thing with telling a gay storyline it's just a big big depressing and cowardly done failure. i agree all they are really showing is negative right when a good thing happens why wont they just have Diego finally stand up to his father and finally be with Alejandro Unfortunately, sometimes individuals DON'T or are not able to stand up against their family's opposition. These things do happen in this day and age, regardless IF a soap opera chooses to focus on that or not. It's all individual circumstances. I do hope that IF someone IS going through something like Diego is, that they have a friend or even a relative that IS sympathetic to them, so that if they need guidance, aid or even a room to sleep in, they're there for them. |
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 20, 2012 22:54:51 GMT -5
That is not true. Yes the APA had denounced any and all anti-gay therapies. But the Mormon church and many branches of Evangelicals CONTINUE in 2012 to use electroshock therapy. And there are PLENTY of protests and media coverage WHEN these instances come to light. You are misrepresenting the experiences of a lot of young people who've struggled through these "therapies". Please provide an example of electroshock therapy being used to try to cure homosexuality in recent times. If I'm misrepresenting the experiences of a lot of gay young people who've been experiencing electroshock therapy to "treat" their homosexuality, then there must be a lot of examples to choose from. There are Evangelical and probably Mormon organizations that employ techniques to try to change a person's sexual preference, but they don't use electroshock therapy. Electroshock therapy is a medical procedure that must be administered by a doctor. It requires the use of an ECT machine, which is a strictly controlled medical device. No doctors use it to treat homosexuality. What's happening to Diego with electroshock therapy is the writers using poetic license. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 23:13:55 GMT -5
All the other bull aside i just hope there is some type of Happy ending that's all i hope for because to be honest this is a shit show. You have a gay story line that you barely show and on top of that you censor it. Then on top of that the two main characters on the show are one of the most disliked characters i have seen on any show. Like i said before i just something good happen in the end we are at least owed that
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 20, 2012 23:37:38 GMT -5
All the other bull aside i just hope there is some type of Happy ending t That's all i hope for because to be honest this is a shit show. You have a gay story line that you barely show and on top of that you censor it. Then on top of that the two main characters on the show are one of the most disliked characters i have seen on any show. Like i said before i just something good happen in the end we are at least owed that I would find it absolutely hysterical when the "happy ending" comes out of nowhere. With nothing leading up to it, it's just another form of pandering. A whole month later and Diego's still lying and denying his real feelings for you. Such a waste. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2012 23:41:15 GMT -5
All the other bull aside i just hope there is some type of Happy ending t That's all i hope for because to be honest this is a shit show. You have a gay story line that you barely show and on top of that you censor it. Then on top of that the two main characters on the show are one of the most disliked characters i have seen on any show. Like i said before i just something good happen in the end we are at least owed that exactly and we shouldn't be surprised because that's how it's been the whole time it has been on I would find it absolutely hysterical when the "happy ending" comes out of nowhere. With nothing leading up to it, it's just another form of pandering. A whole month later and Diego's still lying and denying his real feelings for you. Such a waste. |
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Post by HQ75 on Jun 20, 2012 23:57:58 GMT -5
"What's happening to Diego with electroshock therapy is the writers using poetic license."
Except, it isn't entirely.
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Post by josean06 on Jun 21, 2012 0:58:20 GMT -5
It just keeps getting worse...
Honestly I just want to see how this thing ends. Other than that, this storyline will go under my bed and never come out ever again!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 1:17:10 GMT -5
It just keeps getting worse... Honestly I just want to see how this thing ends. Other than that, this storyline will go under my bed and never come out ever again! Like i said before can we just get a happy ending |
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 21, 2012 7:10:05 GMT -5
"What's happening to Diego with electroshock therapy is the writers using poetic license." Except, it isn't entirely. I'm not familiar with this grueling therapy, so I will refrain from saying something that perhaps I'll have to regret later. But it's hard for me to believe such a procedure can be done, just like that, in Miami (no less!). We're not talking about a lost city in the middle of nowhere ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I really ( really) dislike TPTB's decision of focusing principally on the negative aspects of the gay issue instead of something more balanced. Bringing up the subject of the conversion therapy to a social group that still thinks ( a large portion of it) homosexuality is an illness is - to me- very questionable, especially if the issue is not going to be treated with the seriousness it deserves To me, TPTB only cared about how (bad) that particular community could take a gay storyline. So they shaped the story strictly according to the particular vision that that community has about homosexuality. And so far, the story (that is about to finish soon) still has not given signs that will make it clear at some point that that view is mistaken and prejudiced (in addition to pernicious). Anyway, whatever they did (or didn't) doesn't matter anymore: the soap is a BIG failure |
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 21, 2012 9:39:35 GMT -5
With Diego's retrograde electroshock conversion therapy (right out of the dark ages of gay oppression), the show has really upped the stakes for how it resolves the gay story line. Allowing Dr. Baron's extreme attitude and inhuman behavior towards his son to not be fully refuted now would send a profoundly disturbing message about gay people. The show and the network would gain legendary notoriety. I can't believe that Telemundo or the show's producers want or intend that. They may be spinelessly uncomfortable with portraying gay intimacy, but there has been a gay-positive thread running through the entire production. There was Ale's transformation from closeted, bullied victim to out and empowered advocate, the very sweet way that Ale's parents reacted to Ale's homosexuality, and Sebastian's unwavering friendship and support. That Ale came out and his life dramatically improved is something that young gay Latino viewers probably rarely see on Spanish language television. It's counter-intuitive perhaps, but I think that by making Diego's dad so incredibly dark makes it more likely that Diego will end up with Ale. That Diego is basically experiencing torture now is designed, I think, to make all but the most hardened homophobes willing to accept an Ale-Diego ending. The extremes that the show feels it has to go to make viewers feel sympathy for gay love is discouraging, though. It's not enough simply that Diego and Ale love each other. It's not enough that the proposed marriage to Nora is being imposed ruthlessly by Dr. Baron. It's not enough that Dr. Baron is such a terrible, unloving father. No, Diego has to be being physically tortured in order to secure the sympathy of the Telemundo audience for a gay-friendly conclusion. Dr. Baron has to be portrayed as Josef Mengele incarnate before the Ale-Diego romance can be allowed to proceed. Art and society reflect each other and so I think this show does tell us something about the Latino community. I know that there are a lot of open minded, accepting Latinos, but there are also a lot Latinos with a very "traditional" view of men and women. What there is in the Latino community is the Catholic church - the ultimate retrograde influence. RP's weird sexual morals where sex with a minor is OK while homosexuality is so dirty that it can only be implied has the Catholic church's fingerprints all over it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2012 12:55:15 GMT -5
i think these last 2 episodes might be the last one's
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