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Post by justinate on Jun 15, 2012 22:05:55 GMT -5
So finally there is some movement on the Ale/Diego/Nora front! And Max seems to be inching closer to a career that will get him out of his clothes (at least I think so?). But anyhow, at long last, we have stuff worth watching! Too bad Mau-mau & Miranda continue to be air-hogs. I can't stand the way the show wants us to feel sorry for her. If she had fallen pregnant with Mau's baby after their first encounter (back when she didn't know he was her underage student), it might have been palatable but, as it stands, there is nothing redeeming about her or the pairing, no matter how villainous they make JP.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2012 22:11:43 GMT -5
So finally there is some movement on the Ale/Diego/Nora front! And Max seems to be inching closer to a career that will get him out of his clothes (at least I think so?). But anyhow, at long last, we have stuff worth watching! Too bad Mau-mau & Miranda continue to be air-hogs. I can't stand the way the show wants us to feel sorry for her. If she had fallen pregnant with Mau's baby after their first encounter (back when she didn't know he was her underage student), it might have been palatable but, as it stands, there is nothing redeeming about her or the pairing, no matter how villainous they make JP. I am with you 100% on what you said. You hit it right on the head. Just imagine if they would of did the whole story line of Ale and Diego and Nora like they did tonight this could have been the best story line on the show |
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Post by justinate on Jun 15, 2012 23:07:46 GMT -5
Well, I'm not sure the show's target audience would be ready for a telenovela with a gay/bisexual love triangle as the main story, but I'm sure they could have stomached giving that triangle more airtime than it did. The greatest failing of this show is its focus on two unlikeable characters, played by weak actors, in an unconscionable storyline. There were so many other characters/actors who were personable, likeable, or at the very least entertaining - Ale, Sebas, Max, Gonzalo, Yesenia, Sofia, just to name a few - but they tossed them aside in favour of Mau-mau, Miranda and Las Drogas.
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 16, 2012 8:14:46 GMT -5
It's so hard to feel sorry for Miranda and Mauricio. I just keep thinking they deserve to suffer for being so stupid, so arrogant and so unbelievably selfish.
As for Alejandro and Diego, I loved how Diego in the literal blink of an eye went from vowing to marry Nora to telling Alejandro he wanted to spend the night with him making love.
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Post by ferdavid on Jun 16, 2012 13:14:39 GMT -5
OMG..just looooooooooooooooooooooooooved this two new episodes!!!! diego said the L word to alejandro ad he wanted to make love with him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!¨¨ he just feel so happy, when he can be wth alejandro!!!!!!!
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Post by dots80 on Jun 17, 2012 2:43:12 GMT -5
LMAO! Diego wants to pop Alex's cherry. Ughh no! Does it mean I have to start watching this show again? I don't want to but I really want to know what happens next.  |
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Post by justinate on Jun 17, 2012 8:05:53 GMT -5
I wouldn't get my hopes up ... as someone commented under the YT video, we'll probably just see them moving in for a kiss on Ale's bed, and then cut to them the next day at school, discussing how good "last night" was.
The show is really doing bisexuals no favours with their slipshod portrayal of Diego. While Diego says he is in love with, and attracted to, Nora and Ale equally, they each seem to regard him as exclusively gay (as does Diego's dad Hector). I really wish Sebas was around to offer his two cents, but I guess he is really gone from the show and won't even make a finale appearance for Nora's happy ending. (Why did they fire him and the actor who plays Cassius?)
The affair between Max's mother and Gonzalo is strangely fascinating, although I can't help but think Gonzo is in it purely to spite Max for "stealing" Elizabeth. As for Max, it looks like I was right about his career path. Hurray?
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 17, 2012 8:53:05 GMT -5
I don't understand why Ale embarks on a relationship like this, really. He's out, young, single, and very handsome  Ale's self esteem at this point must be very low. But what I find truly disturbing is that he continues lying to his best friend Nora  He's behaving as if Diego was the only gay/bi/ whatever guy in the world  It seems to me this gay storyline could have passed as more or less realistic, I don't know, maybe... 30 or 40 years ago? What a waste!  |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 17, 2012 10:21:09 GMT -5
For Ale, right now, Diego IS the only gay/big/whatever guy in HIS world that matters. Diego just said the words "I Love You to him after MONTHS of rejection. I know it doesn't make sense, but he's a teenager experiencing feelings of love for the first time. You're willing to let yourself to be treated like shit IF the person you wanted the most returned your feelings. Hell, even grown ass adults are willing to forgo self esteem and pride for a bit of affection if they've never had anyone in their lives.
Sadly, the show writers are so on the money in how Ale's been reacting in his situation with Diego.
He just doesn't realise that there are more guys out there in the world for him besides Diego.
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 17, 2012 11:10:17 GMT -5
For Ale, right now, Diego IS the only gay/big/whatever guy in HIS world that matters. Diego just said the words "I Love You to him after MONTHS of rejection. I know it doesn't make sense, but he's a teenager experiencing feelings of love for the first time. You're willing to let yourself to be treated like shit IF the person you wanted the most returned your feelings. Hell, even grown ass adults are willing to forgo self esteem and pride for a bit of affection if they've never had anyone in their lives. Sadly, the show writers are so on the money in how Ale's been reacting in his situation with Diego. He just doesn't realise that there are more guys out there in the world for him besides Diego. I know it happens in real life; what I question is the decision of the soap to choose this story instead of a more positive and actualized one. The current storyline looks -to me- very clumsy and dated To a big portion of Latinos, the gay issue is still very controversial. So I think it's a real pity a good opportunity to start to change that belief (at least minimally) has been lost ... |
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Post by Hawthorne on Jun 17, 2012 12:13:22 GMT -5
I guess Diego's dad is going to discover him with Ale somehow. Will Diego finally stand up to him? It's hard to imagine a more spineless tool than Diego. What do either Nora or Ale see in him? Letting his dad tell him whom to marry, when to get married, when to propose, how to propose... It's like Diego is just a robot, not a person.
I agree that the way this story is being told feels 30 years out of date. I suppose that's where the Latino community is on homosexuality. The way this story should end is with Diego standing up for his love of Ale and finally defying his tyrannical dad. I fear the show is going to try to fudge some sort of weird "compromise" though.
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 17, 2012 13:00:37 GMT -5
I agree, Hawthorne, that's how the story should end  I really hope the soap does not try to reconcile the two positions because for me are decidedly incompatible with each other. The position of Diego's father on homosexuality should not ever be recognized as valid That he doesn't accept his son's sexual identity is his problem, not Diego's. If his father doesn't change his position, Diego must say goodbye and move on  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 13:33:41 GMT -5
Alejandro and Diego will end up together and his father will find out and he will finally stand up to him and prove to be his own person and not be submissive to what his father believes is a real man.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2012 15:56:48 GMT -5
I thought for sure this show was over. Anyway, attracted by the activity on this thread, I checked out the last clip, and I know I haven't watched everything, but it's odd how little sympathy or care I'm able to muster for any character in that "pairing". Even though actually not that far-fatched in his reactions, I can't take Diego's father seriously either. It's also funny how eager Ale is to be sort of "tried out". A first is a first I guess, lol. As for Nora though, she should feel lucky not to have to get a Diego or some random off the streets to marry. With the new immigration policy announced a couple of days ago, she should be fine for a while. That is if the show bothers to follow the news; they don't seem to bother about a lot of other stuff. |
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Post by kevvoi on Jun 18, 2012 14:20:47 GMT -5
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Post by kittycat on Jun 18, 2012 14:26:14 GMT -5
The show was suppose to be over at 90 episodes but then they decided to make it 100. Then they made it 104 episodes and now the list of episodes has grown and now it says 108.
But I have to say that the two latest videos dealing with Alejandro and Diego have been great.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 18, 2012 15:37:15 GMT -5
The show was suppose to be over at 90 episodes but then they decided to make it 100. Then they made it 104 episodes and now the list of episodes has grown and now it says 108. But I have to say that the two latest videos dealing with Alejandro and Diego have been great. Yes they have and my only wish was that it should of been like that from before not when it's about to be off the air |
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Post by spherical07 on Jun 18, 2012 16:06:06 GMT -5
The show was suppose to be over at 90 episodes but then they decided to make it 100. Then they made it 104 episodes and now the list of episodes has grown and now it says 108. But I have to say that the two latest videos dealing with Alejandro and Diego have been great. I don't think its going off early at all, I think they are just playing with people. They are making us think that it is ending early, and because of that they are able to get away with this crap becase from the viewer's POV "the show's ending, who care's anymore; lets just see how it ends." |
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Post by kittycat on Jun 18, 2012 16:15:59 GMT -5
If they don't intend to end the show then they never should have gotten rid of Sebastian.
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Post by talula on Jun 18, 2012 17:04:45 GMT -5
oh i thought this show ended a long time ago ,didn't know it's still on i stopped watching after they cut out second kiss , so what is going on? writers already allowed gays to touch each other and hold hands ? it would be very "daring"  |
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Post by anthonyl on Jun 19, 2012 6:07:32 GMT -5
Oh, this show....!
So yesterday Lupe went to see Hector to tell him Nora and Diego can't get married because Diego is gay. Hector flipped and vowed that Diego and Nora would marry. Flash forward a month and everyone is watching Miranda's trial for screwing Mauricio on television. Alejandro goes up to Diego and says 'Diego, it's been a month and you haven't spoken to me! Whyyyyyy?' Diego says 'Go away, Alejandro, you're sick'.
And that was that.
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Post by mycatfox on Jun 19, 2012 6:35:16 GMT -5
It's a shame that the show has decided to mold the story according to the rigid, closed, prejudiced notion that a large segment of the Latino audience still has about homosexuality This is not the story should be told if we want to ensure that this sector is more open about it ... As I said Before ... What a waste! |
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Post by justinate on Jun 19, 2012 8:47:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the show certainly exceeded expectations: I thought we would get a cut-away from the boys moving towards a kiss/bed, to the Next Day at school. Instead we never even saw them come close to a kiss, or in a bedroom, and the flash-forward was to Next Month!
Not even the scene of half-naked Danilo (Max) made up for this episode - it didn't help that the scene made no sense. I thought he was going to become an escort, and that woman Monica would use that information to humiliate his mother? Instead she's having sex with him herself? (Can't blame her for wanting a piece of that, but still makes no sense story-wise!)
And I can't believe how everyone is now on Miranda's side. It's wrong on so many levels that the show is glorifying statutory rape while shying away from any depiction of gay intimacy. Something must have changed behind-the-scenes between the early episodes and the later ones. I can't imagine this show allowing any sort of male-on-male intimacy that could be construed as gay, yet in those early episodes we had the Ale-Max liplock and the Ale-Sebas bed scene. We also had glimpses of nudity from Mauricio, Gonzalo, Max, Santiago, and Ale. But it's been months since any of that. It's like someone got cold feet, whether due to higher-up interference or in response to viewer complaints.
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Post by Zathras on Jun 19, 2012 19:10:32 GMT -5
Oh, this show....! So yesterday Lupe went to see Hector to tell him Nora and Diego can't get married because Diego is gay. Hector flipped and vowed that Diego and Nora would marry. Flash forward a month and everyone is watching Miranda's trial for screwing Mauricio on television. Alejandro goes up to Diego and says 'Diego, it's been a month and you haven't spoken to me! Whyyyyyy?' Diego says 'Go away, Alejandro, you're sick'. And that was that. Seriously? |
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Post by Difficult Diva on Jun 19, 2012 20:16:17 GMT -5
Oh, this show....! So yesterday Lupe went to see Hector to tell him Nora and Diego can't get married because Diego is gay. Hector flipped and vowed that Diego and Nora would marry. Flash forward a month and everyone is watching Miranda's trial for screwing Mauricio on television. Alejandro goes up to Diego and says 'Diego, it's been a month and you haven't spoken to me! Whyyyyyy?' Diego says 'Go away, Alejandro, you're sick'. And that was that. The desperate levels TPTB have gone to eliminate ANY cohesion for ANY of their storylines for thus show especially the "gay in name ONLY" continues to amaze me. Jumping an entire month ahead?! I hope the producers of the original series got paid big time for selling the rights for this abysmal adaptation AND that they can say they had absolutely no hand in this production. It's just a huge failure. Last year, it's MTV's version of Skins and now it's Telemundo with egg on their face. They had such a great premise to work with and they just wasted it for the entire show, not just "the gay in name only" storyline. |
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Ale's self esteem at this point must be very low. But what I find truly disturbing is that he continues lying to his best friend Nora 
He's behaving as if Diego was the only gay/bi/whatever guy in the world 
