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Post by seanny on Dec 30, 2012 1:02:28 GMT -5
I hate the way Will is being portrayed. He is not a victim in all of this. He is ALLOWING this to happen to him so he gets no sympathy from me. He could easily stop it at anytime but chooses not to. ITA. Will's flakiness is the true "villian" in this storyline. I hate that Nick (homophobe) and Gabi's (bitchy and uncaring) characters have been altered to make sure we feel real sorry for poor Will. I sure as hell don't. Thank god Nick stepped up and took control of the situation because Will was and still is going back and forth like a yo-yo. I shudder to think of the depression that Will will sink into when his own kid replaces his drama-queen arse as the center of attention. There's no way that either Will or Sonny are prepared to raise a child. Sonny's already has one to manage already (Will), along with school and a business. WilSon's child would be calling a Kiriakis-employed nanny "Mama" because that's only person who would have time for it. Also, I hope Sonny kicks Will to the curb and speed dials Brian when the whole baby truth is revealed.
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Post by seanny on Dec 28, 2012 0:33:46 GMT -5
As far as Prime Time shows I've watched Desperate Housewives was one that featured gays characters but the scenes were mainly kissing scenes. I don't think they ever showed any simulated sex scenes. People that want to see that are going to have to look for it on Pay Cable channels like HBO and Showtime. Or get Netflix and rent Queer as Folk. Great show. DH was kind of a lighthearted comedy and they didn't do too much to deviate from that. It not surprising that their gay characters did practically nothing considering how underused the heterosexual males and children on that show also were. Also, ABC was very adamant about keeping the gays in the background. Wow. You are the only person I know that truly appreciated what a gem QAF was. I still miss that show everyday 7 years later. The cast of QAF took themselves off the air so that some other show could come along and "pickup the torch" but sadly that has yet to happen.
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Post by seanny on Dec 26, 2012 15:36:11 GMT -5
I just hope the next WilSon story is substantial and it focuses more on Sonny rather than Will. It will be nice and a good change to see the story moving due to something to do with Sonny. I am tired of talking about Will and his lies. Wouldn't mind taking about some of Sonny's lies. And the writers should also focus on focusing on more real gay issues. That will be more fun to see. ITA. I would much rather have the TPTB let Will and Sonny have a HIV scare or better yet go all out and have Sonny become infected. I know that there is some resistance to a HIV storyline for gay characters because it was stereotypical in the past but is it really a stereotype when HIV is still overwhelmingly present among young sexually-active gay males? Days could do lots of good work by picking up the torch that GH dropped in educating the public about the virus especially since I have seen that a good amount young gays are following WilSon (particularly online). I learned so much about HIV in the 90's from following Robin & Stone on GH. I'd much rather see this type of story for WilSon instead of the plot-driven turd this baby storyline has turned out to be. Besides, this could be a chance for Freddie to shine finally.
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Post by seanny on Dec 18, 2012 16:38:54 GMT -5
Just because Will and Sonny can kiss or touch each other doesn't mean they have chemistry or are hot together. It just means they can kiss and touch. They've done those things and can do those things and yet they are still boring. I liked them more when they were just friends because now they're just locked into a dull relationship. This boring, never should have happened baby story does not help. And well, now they come off like brothers and it's not because of a lack of romantic scenes, it's just how they relate to each other (especially Sonny to Will) and the stunning lack of chemistry. I agree with all this with the exception of bolded part. To me it's Will that treats Sonny as just a mentor. Sonny wants to have genuine relationship, but Will's emotional immaturity undermines it. I think the boys pulled off friendship pretty well and that chemistry was definitely there. However, now that they're at the relationship stage, there's definitely something missing and in this context it's not an acting, directing or writing issue. Not every actor has natural chemistry with every other actor. This maybe totally in my head, but it seems to me that Chandler is only going through the motions in scenes with Freddie now. Think about the amazing chemistry between WilSon at their fireside chat in the town square earlier this year and compare it to the chemistry between then then now. It's like their relationship status has improved but their chemistry has dissipated. Also notice how engaged Chandler is in scenes with Camila. I can see plainly that he enjoys working opposite her over Freddie, because he hasn't brought any of that intensity to scenes with Sonny lately. Casey on the other does put intensity into his scenes with both Sonny and Will and I think this why myself and others see something more natural there. It's not the lack of chemistry as once again it's there many times. But the time it's lacking is when the writing sucks and that lately is lacking a lot. The writing simply isn't writing any romance nor even any type of sexual laced dialogue. With Will and EJ it was one sexual innuendo after another. A good actor should be able to transcend a poorly written script. I could quote you several movies with bad or unexciting scripts that ended up being well regarding due to the lead actor's ability to makeup for the shortcomings. I agree and disagree with you on the chemistry issue. It's was there when WilSon were friends and now it's nowhere to be found. Even if the writers/directors don't put kisses in scenes where it is obvious that there should be one, the actors should be trying to insert them or at least do something onscreen to convey to people who just turn on DOOL that these two people are deeply in love. Yesterday's WilSon scene is a good example of this. I know that there was conflict but that's no excuse. I do agree that the writing is letting WilSon down as a couple, but the problem is deeper than that. While I did like the master/slave dynamic between Will and EJ, I agree with the other poster that said it was inappropriate due to EJ's relations to Will's family. I don't get a "brothers" vibe from Will and Sonny. To me, they come off much like a couple who has been married to each other for ten years. Rather than seeming like a new couple, they seem more like the John and Marlena of the show's younger set. Whether that is a result of the writing or acting or some combination thereof is open to interpretation I suppose. I do think the writing has removed much of the heat, passion and lust from their relationship and replaced it with a deep, quiet love for each other. With the entire population of Salem endorsing their relationship, their is very little external tension (except for what Will creates) and their relationship is not illicit such as Brady and Kristen or the absurd imaginary Will and EJ pairing mentioned upthread. Also, we don't know if an executive somewhere has asked that the relationship be kept low-key as a method of damage control. That specter will remain over any American network television series with gay characters for the foreseeable future. I certainly don't think things would be any different if Will and Sonny were paired with other characters.I agree again except for the bolded. If Freddie were paired with someone who brought passion to their relationship, things would be different. If Chandler was able to choose who he'd prefer to work opposite I believe we would also see a difference. You touched on the same thing that I mentioned last time. From a scripting point of view, the main failure for WilSon and other couplings on this show is the writer's inability to write relationship transitions. Will and from friends to lovers with no build up at all and now they've seemed to go from hot new romantic to longterm partners in just a few short weeks.
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Post by seanny on Dec 16, 2012 18:58:31 GMT -5
I disagree completely. I saw no heat at all between Chad and Sonny. Sonny and Will have natural chemistry. But to me the writing is not allowing it to shine through. It's way too much dialogue and not enough intimacy since the love scene. There is a difference between natural chemistry and manufactured chemistry. What you have described is the latter. A good example of natural chemistry would be being able to enjoy WilSon sitting across the table from each other reading the telephone book to each other. Now I know that this is subjective, but Sonny and Will would not hold my attention at all doing this. Sonny and Chad, Will and Chad, or Sonny and Brian I could easily enjoy doing practically nothing in a scene OTOH. Again, for me there is something missing between WilSon that is easily there with the other pairings. I do see heat between will and sonny but what also see is a sense of comfortableness between the two. They do not have to have the big love scenes, though I wish there were more but the little things are so symtomatic of their strong feelings for each other. The scarf, will running his hands though sonny's hair, and the looks. The thing about will and sonny is that there was a strong friendship before they became lovers and both elements of the relationship come out at different times. I see comfortability between the two as well...on a friendship level. BTW, the things I bolded are all examples of manufacturing chemistry i.e. these things needed to be done to show that WilSon are a couple in love as opposed to the audience being able to sense that naturally. Do you ever notice how when you see two people walking down the street mostly of time you can instantly tell whether there are lovers or just friends? Well for me, WilSon would register as friends only. I thought the show did an excellent job of building WilSon's friendship. Yes, it took a frustratingly long time for them to do this but I would say it was worth most of the wait. The transition from friends to lovers happened way too quick though. There was zero build up to the relationship. We had no idea of Will's feelings towards Sonny beforehand and then one fight later we find out that he does indeed share Sonny's affection.
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Post by seanny on Dec 16, 2012 16:00:36 GMT -5
But, as much as I like Freddie, I might not have minded that if it were to give Will a more dynamic relationship. Despite the actor's talent and the backstory of his character, Sonny is terribly boring and he and Will's relationship lacks heat. It already seems tired and dull. Perhaps that's why they didn't proceed with it. One thing is for sure, Will would not have slept with Gabi and there'd be no baby story for him. That's totally on the current writers. The previous team had no interest in telling that story. Seeing Will with EJ last week reminded me of their sexual tension/chemistry and made wish Will and Sonny had even an ounce of that. Yes, yes..... I know EJ and Will were never going to be lovers, but it's sad that Will and Sonny are starting to come across as brothers lately. I brought this over from the Spoilers thread because this is the appropriate forum for my reply. I agree with everything you said Anthony except that FS has to lose his job. It's not Freddie's fault that Sonny isn't being written as "dynamic". My opinion it's the writers that are isolating Sonny because in their minds a gay character cannot be a sex symbol like Brady or Daniel. What annoys me most is that everybody seems to be afraid to say what I see as rather obvious.... Chandler and Freddie lack natural chemistry. It's just not there, IMO. This doesn't mean that they cannot generate "heat" when necessary. It means that they do not radiate any "heat" when the scene doesn't call for it. I know this is beating an old dog, but I do not have better example to clarify the above. Both Chandler and Freddie separately have great chemistry with Casey D. I saw more unwarranted "heat" when Chad was telling Sonny about Gabi than anything between WilSon after they turned off their called for sexual "heat" when Gabi arrived. I'm 100% positive that a love scene between Chad and Sonny would make WilSon's look completely deflated.
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Post by seanny on Dec 12, 2012 2:25:36 GMT -5
I cannot say just how happy I am now that Sonny and Chad are in scenes together again. There's a certain natural chemistry between Freddie and Casey that's not there between Freddie and Chandler.
Will's "happy" for Gabi and Nick face was kind of funny and sad at the same time.
Brady and Kristen.....Ew!
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Post by seanny on Nov 16, 2012 14:32:08 GMT -5
Re: The Proposal/Abortion Face-- obviously Will isn't thinking, feels a responsibility etc. While they obviously don't need to be married for the baby, them being married doesn't mean they couldn't pursue relationships on the side. Clearly, not-thinking- Will, feels like, as a gay man, this is his only chance at a baby. It's asinine but I buy it. I also don't think it really says much about how he feels about Sonny, but rather his utter lack of any maturity. This is my thinking as well. I think Will has no intention of giving up Sonny even if he marries Gabi. As far as what I bolded, I don't think that's asinine. I could imagine lots of gay men feeling the same way -myself included.
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Post by seanny on Nov 12, 2012 15:19:39 GMT -5
Gabi/Wilson preview was just on. ;D Wait. They showed the promo with the guys on the bed on TV?? Color me shocked! Where was all this progressiveness early this year?? I've always blamed NBC over MarDar for the Will/EJ and MIA Sonny messes, but now I think I was dead wrong.
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Post by seanny on Nov 4, 2012 23:36:47 GMT -5
Will is not effeminate. He's a very pretty, immature boy.
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Post by seanny on Nov 2, 2012 1:07:17 GMT -5
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Post by seanny on Nov 1, 2012 19:16:33 GMT -5
It's not like Nick changed over night or for no reason. He developed a drug habit, kidnapped and killed someone, went to prison for four years, became born again (which is super common for young folks going to prison) and came pout pious and ridiculous. It's is a very common and realistic scenario. If Days is going for common and realistic, then they are definitely cherry-picking aspects of prison life. I worked at a penitentiary for a brief period a while ago. I can wholeheartedly you tell that if Nick had been incarcerated for as long as Days says then he would have had more homosexual sex in that period of time than Sonny has had in his entire life! Yes. There were religious converts but most of them were getting butt action on the DL too. Ofcourse, they are a small percent of prisoners who never cross the hetrosexual/homosexual boundary but they aren't cute little white boys in their 20s. If Days was telling a truly realistic story about a former inmate, then Nick would have mostly considered somebody's "protected property" in exchange for sex and or drugs.
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Post by seanny on Oct 26, 2012 11:47:51 GMT -5
Sorry but that's nonsense. Tim Robbins in really really taller, and you can feel his vulnerabilty in Mystic River. A good actor can show a really wide range of feelings. The expression of the face can limit your roles (like the guy who plays Machete) but i don't think being taller or shorter makes any difference You have misunderstood what I trying to say. I did not mean to imply that Brant couldn't do vulnerability. What meant is that vulnerable Brant would probably be seen different because of the physical differences. I personally couldn't see Brant playing Will as a whiny, little annoying, bitch the way Chandler successfully does. Mostly because Chandler looks the part and Brant has a more masculine look.
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Post by seanny on Oct 26, 2012 11:28:18 GMT -5
Sonny is shirtless yum! Finally!!! They should of had Will remove Sonny's black wifebeater in the Nov. 14 scene.
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Post by seanny on Oct 26, 2012 1:44:15 GMT -5
I just re-watched the Nov.14th clip a couple of times. I had previously only seen it once right quick. Well, I think I'm going to walk back on some my previous comments and add new ones. First, I DID see a small amount of heat and passion on the second viewing. That music is terrible though. I think that's what turned me off to it all the first time. Also, I agree that with people that say that something was going on with Chandler. I don't like the acting choice he made (or was made for him) for this scene. Normally Will has this nervous energy thing going on when he's excited or uncomfortable, but here it's missing and it's pretty obvious because Chandler has consistently played Will this way. It seems to me that he went out of character i.e. he did not portray all the emotions that Will should be feeling inside due to his own unconformably with the scene. Sex with Sonny, his first time with a guy should be something that Will should be really excited and nervous about. Unfortunately, that was lacking in the TV Guide clip. Hopefully seeing the full scenes for that day will redeem Chandler, everybody has their off moments but I tend to expect more from an emmy winner. If I wasn't following this story so closely, I would have never guess that this was WilSon's first love scene. Freddie was wonderful though. Those puppy-dog eyes get me everytime.
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Post by seanny on Oct 25, 2012 14:27:55 GMT -5
I know everyone wants WilSon to be treated like everyone else, but honestly they are a minority and are treated as such. We can't compare them to EJ/Sami. I would love it if we could, but we can't. This is a daytime soap, that is trying to do something that was done on other soaps, that are now cancelled. I'm happy for what they are doing. I don't expect or want them to jump to EJ/Sami level. That's not the couple that I want WilSon compared to. I wasn't implying that WilSon are being treated unfairly because they are a gay couple. All the young couplings on this show seem to be restrained when it comes to the bedroom. The difference is that the heterosexual couples like Chad/Mel have been able to convey passion within that space whereas WilSon looks more like two straights trying to pretend like something's really there but it's not. Damn, that was one hot clip! Two half-naked guys caressing each other's chests on daytime TV. Where did you see two half-naked guys? I certainly did not see that. I saw one shirtless dude and another in a "wifebeater".
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Post by seanny on Oct 25, 2012 13:35:05 GMT -5
I think that they are doing the "sterile" version, because that's what soaps do. I feel like people want a more realistic gay couple, but I think what they are trying to do is a couple in general. Nothing Sami/EJ or Brady/Madison did comes even remotely close to being labelled as "sterile". Ejami has passion, heat and sexual chemistry galore. WilSon is cute and boring in comparison. The Nov. 14th scene is on the low part of the scale when it comes to soap sex scenes for young adults in general IMO.
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Post by seanny on Oct 25, 2012 13:28:05 GMT -5
I forgot to mention about Days following the old rules that if two gays are in a sexual scene together one of them has to wearing a shirt -even Nuke avoided that one (Edit: they did both have towels drape over one shoulder though ISTR). Will and Sonny are trapped in the late 90's. I swear if there's any mention of ice cream with Marlena or Kate after intercourse, I'm going gorge somebody's eyes out! It looks like so far that WilSon sex will be equal to Kish sex.
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Post by seanny on Oct 25, 2012 13:09:24 GMT -5
The TVGuide preview scene is just wrong, wrong, wrong.
First, TPTB need to get rid of that loud brokeback theme song for WilSon. It doesn't fit them at all. They should play something for appropiate for a 8-21y.o. guy - something more edgy. Second, I wish they would stop trying to make WilSon so sachrin sweet. Not only is it highly unrealistic, just make they come across as sterile. Where is the passion, the fire, the heat? Totally, MIA. For there to be none present is just mind-boogling. I mean this is a soap, right? Why are these two people attractive to each other? We've never to be shown what does Sonny like about Will or why Will thinks he should be with Sonny. Yes. Some of here could try to answer these questions, but we shouldn't have to. It should all be as clear as day...but it's so not.
What I did like was that the kisses where not cut away from super-quick like usual, but WilSon need to work on more longer sensual kissing as opposed to always multiple short quick lip-locks.
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Post by seanny on Oct 24, 2012 23:21:27 GMT -5
He said how Nick being in prison caused him to become religious and that he's not so much homophobic as he is uncomfortable seeing Will and Sonny because of his new beliefs. Sounds like a homophobe to me. Great. Now all religious people are homophobic. These new/old writers are nothing but talentless hacks. I wish MarDar could have done WilSon instead. It's strange to think that Nick, a hot boy who's been in prison for years wasn't exposed to plenty of gays and gay sex.... oh these "writers".
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Post by seanny on Oct 24, 2012 21:36:19 GMT -5
Is WilSon on Friday's show?
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Post by seanny on Oct 23, 2012 1:34:49 GMT -5
If Brant was playing Will, I could see a more adult WilSon since I don't think that a guy the size of Brant could convincing convey the vulnerability of Will like Chandler can. It' a "tall" challenge.
OTOH, I would love to see Brant and Freddie as romantic partners. They'd be so hot together. Who knows, maybe it will happen next year.
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Post by seanny on Oct 18, 2012 23:47:14 GMT -5
I'm glad that the show is finally adding to WilSon what should have been there from the day they first laid eyes on each other -passion aka heat.
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Post by seanny on Oct 18, 2012 23:16:20 GMT -5
I still think that Sonny and Will were on affection overload and IRL it would make me uncomfortable regardless of the sexualities of the participants with it being so public. I'm just outside of NYC and it's still rare for me to a couple behave so over the top. If it were real, people around would have been staring at them like they were a sideshow and there would be calls for them to "Get a room already".
Gabi knew that WilSon was dating, but I believe that was the first time that she had seen them as a couple. I would have thought that they'd keep things "on the low" since she is Will ex-girlfriend and although she likes and supports WilSon, it might a bit jarring for Gabi to see Will being so outwardly affectionate with Sonny in a way that he never was with her so soon.
As for Nick, Will didn't even address him as family nor mention that he's glad Nick is out of prison. Sure, he may not care so much about a stranger's feelings but Nick is family and WilSon should have tried to gage Nick's comfort level with gay people and gay couples first before all their physical stuff.
I hear all the P.C. stuff that some of you are spouting off about but that does not apply to family IMO.
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Post by seanny on Oct 17, 2012 20:28:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the explanation anina5.
I believe yesterday was the first time Will saw Nick since he got out of prison, but there was nothing there -no "good to see you cousin" or anything. It was like they are just (very) causal aquaintances. Also, I thought that WilSon acted inappropiately around Nick and the HTS. The PDA was too over the top IMO. They should have at least made sure Nick knew that they were gay and couple first thing but they probably just assumed he heard from Gabi.
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