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Post by ila on Nov 12, 2011 19:33:59 GMT -5
IMO Lucas will end the relationship not just because of the kiss but because Edwin admits he has feelings for Ron, and because he lied when Lucas asked if anything happened while he was in a coma and because everyone kept telling him that Edwin "kept his life on hold" when instead he finds out that Edwin gave up on him.
And, as you said robertn800, he will decide that for once he won't be the one suffering because Edwin messed up and Edwin himself will have to deal with the consequences.
But still I don't see Edwin starting something with Ron even if he wanted, I think he's not the type of guy that will "slap in Lucas' face" his new relationship. I can understand that he will date Ron after believing that Lucas doesn't want (love) him anymore.
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Post by ila on Nov 12, 2011 8:16:21 GMT -5
I don't think the story will turn out to have Edwin starting a relationship with Ron so soon. I mean this far it seems that Edwin chose to "forget" about Ron to be with Lucas (that's probably why he asks Nina not to tell Lucas about him and Ron, maybe because he wants to tell him himself), and after Lucas finds out and with every probability breaks up with him (I don't know yet if it will be just for the kiss or because of Edwin's feelings for Ron), Edwin seems to want to explain why he did what he did. So I don't think Edwin won't try to fix things with Lucas and start to date Ron right away. I can see, instead, Edwin trying to move on "using" Ron to forget about Lucas (maybe because at one point Lucas will tell him that they won't ever get back together).
And the Nov 25 spoiler is so vague, it could be that Nina is annoyed because she thinks Edwin and Ron decided to get together, or because they want to talk to Lucas (each at a different time) to explain themselves and Nina notices that it's very difficult for Lucas to see them so she tells Edwin and Ron to stay away from her brother...and so on...there are so many possibility for Nina being annoyed by Edwin and Ron we'll just first have to understand a little more about where the story is going
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Post by ila on Nov 11, 2011 13:10:34 GMT -5
But whether I'm right or wrong about it... I'm enjoying the story a lot. As one of the few if I look at the YouTube comments. I quit reading those comments... sometimes they just spoil the fun for me. I´m enjoying the story a lot aswell. Couldn't agree more!
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Post by ila on Nov 10, 2011 17:51:02 GMT -5
Can someone help me understand the last spoiler? (November 23: Edwin tries to explain to Lucas what the deal is between them.)
I get that Lucas already knows about the kiss from the èrevious spoiler but I can't understand what means "the deal between them" between who? Is it possible that Lucas doesn't break up with Edwin right away when he finds out about him and Ron?
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Post by ila on Nov 10, 2011 16:34:40 GMT -5
The important person is Lucas. I don't know who it was but someone made a statement about the Sanders side of Lucas really coming out. Lucas' comment yesterday made me think when he told Edwin he'd never let him go. It got me to think what if Ed breaks up with him for Ron, I'd love to see some of Sanders come out of him like Ludo and Maxime. I don't know about this, then it wouldn't make sense that in today's episode Edwin is going to ask Ron to leave him alone. And IMO when Ron came into Lucas' room, Edwin seemed a bit worried (he even minimized the level of relationship he has with Ron to "we just casually know each other") Strange how the story turned out to be... at the beginning when Lucas slipped into a coma Edwin was worried that Lucas would've woken up different, but now I see that the one who's actually changed is Edwin.
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Post by ila on Nov 10, 2011 12:54:57 GMT -5
Nice episode, I loved when Lucas whispered "hey" when he saw Edwin as if only one day passed..
Don't get me wrong, but I found the Edwin/Ron scene on the couch a little awkward as if they didn't know how to move and where to put hands... but this is just my opinion.
And I thought too that Edwin was about to confess to Lucas just right before Ron came in.
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Post by ila on Nov 9, 2011 17:06:39 GMT -5
I agree with you, LadyArmand.
It seems that Ron enters Lucas room purposely to bother Edwin.
I don't get either why Ron would ask Edwin if he was worried if Ron would've told something to Lucas (of course he knows Edwin would be afraid..) because even when Edwin confessed his feelings to him he was about to leave him alone because of Lucas.
I reserve whichever final opinion about Ron until I actually can watch the upcoming episodes.
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Post by ila on Nov 9, 2011 15:35:06 GMT -5
So Edwin chooses Lucas, and with every probability to keep silent about the kiss and his feelings for Ron (trying to forget and move on with his old life with Lucas). My guess is that from now on Ron will try to make Edwin change his mind, and during one of the many conversation the will have Nina overhears something and then Lucas will know (either is Nina to tell him or Edwin himself, I'd prefer the second case).
I have to admit that Ron/Kevin does look evil in the screenshots without subs and without context, though...
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Post by ila on Nov 9, 2011 13:33:59 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind if someone comes along that treats Lucas better and Edwin were forced to fight (figuratively speaking) for Lucas. I'd like the storyline going this way too. As for the rest I don't think Edwin will go on having something with Ron behind Lucas back (and I would be a little disappointed if that actually happens). As I see from the last spoilers, Lucas in some way get to know that Edwin and Ron kissed and probably will end up breaking up with Edwin. Then after the break up Edwin feels that there's no way Lucas wants him back (he could treat Edwin like rubbish, and that's the change of personality for Lucas, becoming a little more like Ludo) and decides to start something with Ron.
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Post by ila on Nov 9, 2011 13:04:05 GMT -5
Oh God I started crying like a baby from the moment Lucas moved his arm until he opened his eyes And I looooooved the recorded dialogue that Edwin was listening to..really funny and naturally. BTW Thank you Mark!
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Post by ila on Nov 8, 2011 18:18:38 GMT -5
About the last scene when Ron goes into Lucas' room, just imagin the dialogue: R: I finally get to know the famous Lucas, Edwin told me everything about you L: Glad that I've always been in Ed's thought! E: (silently panicking) R: Well, you were in his thoughts EVEN when we were making out on the couch a few hours ago, he must love you very much, doesn't he? L: WTF? E: (silently panicking and feeling guilty) And drama continues.. Courious way of interpreting screenshots! ;D Just one question: I don't get why Ron goes to Edwin's father after seeing Lucas and Edwin together? Oh, and I love the picture with Sjoerd visiting Lucas!
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Post by ila on Nov 8, 2011 16:19:32 GMT -5
Edwin and Ron don't sleep together. They come close to it but are interrupted by the phone. Can I just say that my first thought reading this was a HUGE "Thank God!" (don't know why but I'm relieved ) As for the rest, I too don't think Edwin will lose a lot of credibility, for me it was well portraid (by the acting, the dialogues and the situations) how Edwin got to the point where he is now and before that where he began losing faith for Lucas' awakening; but this is only my humble opinion
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Post by ila on Nov 8, 2011 13:41:55 GMT -5
Myself, I'm mostly worried that the writers, in their eagerness for drama, will mischaracterize Edwin. I don't see any hint that Edwin may be an overly sexual person - that is to say, I don't think he'd go straight to bed with Ron or anyone else. I think Edwin's not an overly sexual person, too. Of course we don't know what will happen after the kiss, but I'd rather they didn't go all the way into sleeping together. As I already said, IMO Edwin is someone who could feel really guilty even for an "innocent kiss" (besides stop waiting for Lucas and beleiving that he would wake up). But then again this is a soap let the unpredictable happen!
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Post by ila on Nov 7, 2011 17:20:45 GMT -5
I think that we should actually wait for Mark's subs to really understand what Edwin is going through (we can't tell for sure basing only on the pictures, we need the dialogues too).
I just noticed something: in the scene where Lucas is waking up we can see all his family around him but Edwin (ironically he's being the one who stayed by Lucas' bedside the whole time). IMO this will have a strong impact visually speaking.
I am really enjoying this story so far, great dialogues, great acting, great drama!
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Post by ila on Nov 7, 2011 16:22:49 GMT -5
I can´t believe how good it is just by seeing the shortie... can´t wait for tomorrow but I guess the end actually IS the cliffhanger. Lucas wakes up, that part alone is pure excitement... but including Edwin + Ron kissing with the music in the backround is definitely why I love soaps. GTST knows how to do it! I can´t wait for the moment when Edwin hears Janines voicemail realising that he definitely chose the most unfitting moment ever to give in his feelings for Ron. Gosh so good!! I couldn't agree with you more, steffi! I'm so excited for tomorrow's episode but I really can't wait for the episode where Edwin and Lucas "meet" again. Just imagine Lucas' happiness opposed to Edwin's sense of guilt mixed with joy for Lucas being awake. Soooo good! Lots of drama in the future
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Post by ila on Nov 7, 2011 13:37:10 GMT -5
Do I see Edwin looking at his mobile phone?! It would be extraordinary if unconscious Lucas knew exactly when to wake up, just in time to stop Edwin from doing something he would regret..eheh Form the spoiler pics regarding Edwin/Ron it doesn't look like something has already happened.. Oh my, I can't wait for tomorrow!
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Post by ila on Nov 6, 2011 20:03:40 GMT -5
I'm sorry but do we already conclude that whatever may happen between Edwin and Ron is something Ron wants too? I mean, it could also be possible a kiss from Edwin that Ron doesn't return. As I see it we haven't had a clear sign of Ron liking Edwin so far (there's still the possibility that Ron likes Edwin not in a romantic way).
I can also see Edwin feeling guilty "just" for a kiss (even if not returned) because it's the whole situation leading to the kiss that could make Edwin feel guilty (giving up hope, starting to feel something for Ron and acting on that feeling..).
I guess it'll turn out to be Ron returning Edwin's feelings though, because IMO it would be more soapy-like (if Ron likes Edwin then they could end up sleeping together, even if I don't think it would match Edwin's personality/character).
I find this storyline really intriguing, I myself don't know what to expect from the developing of the story (I don't reject Hawtorne's idea that Ron could turn out to be a villain) and I can't wait to watch this week episodes. I just hope (as the rest of you) that it doesn't end up with Lucas being the doormat again, I actually would like to see Edwin fighting to show Lucas how much he loves him and winning him back.
Well then good night everybody! (it's 2 am here in Italy and tomorrow I have to go to work so I'd better have some sleep..)
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Post by ila on Nov 4, 2011 16:05:37 GMT -5
Thank you, pru! In fact I did think Ferry looked shorter than he really his because of Raynor's height (actually who wouldn't..).
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Post by ila on Nov 4, 2011 12:48:42 GMT -5
I know it's a bit off topic, but I've always been wondering this.. how tall is Ferry? I think he is pretty tall but being always near Raynor doesn't really bring out his height..
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Post by ila on Nov 3, 2011 12:51:21 GMT -5
I see subtle signs like hawthorne. Of course it may be because I want to see them. lol. If we didn't get subs from Mark, I would definitely think he was a psycho or villain because of his facial reactions. He can look quite ominous at times. But the subs tell a different story, for now. He appears to be what he says. We'll see. I agree with you ari. For me too it changes the perspective I have for Ron wheter with subs or not. I guess we'll know only with the developing of the storyline. I kind of hoped Ron would have revealed something about what he may feel for Edwin when he was "interrogating" Lorena.
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Post by ila on Nov 2, 2011 17:37:18 GMT -5
Lucas is totally waking up...that is obvious... the actor playing him is popular and he's been gone long enough Of course Lucas is going to wake up, but the characters in the show don't know it. And Edwin eventually facing the real possibility that Lucas is not going to wake is a further step closer to whatever it is the authors decided for Edwin/Ron "relationship". Still I can't wait for Lucas to wake up, and I do agree with the ones who want Edwin fighting to win Lucas back.
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Post by ila on Nov 2, 2011 15:10:25 GMT -5
Hi everyone, I’m new in this forum, my name is Ilaria and I’m from Italy. I found out about Lucas & Edwin story thanks to Mark’s youtube channel (I guess as every non-Deutch mother tongue did..).
Back to the spoilers, I have a question: do we know for sure that Lucas will already be awake on November 10? As seen in the picture Mark just posted, Ferry can be back on the show without Lucas waking up right away… So my guess about the next spoilers:
November 8: Panic at the hospital when all the machines around Lucas' bed start beeping. Edwin can't take it when Ron wants him to be honest about his feelings for him It could be that Edwin finally confesses to Ron his attraction for him, and his fears about his feelings because of Lucas condition I think a kiss is highly possible (I hope they don’t make Edwin say that “he’s in love with Ron” because I think it would be too soon)
November 9: Edwin is perplexed by what he sees at the hospital and feels guilty. Maybe Lucas condition changes (and it could also be in worse) and the doctors tell Edwin that Lucas definitely won’t ever wake up again.
And this leads me to my guess regarding the last spoiler:
November 10: Edwin makes a choice that hurts him deeply. What if after what the doctors told him, Edwin gives up hope about Lucas waking up and decides to move on with his life. I could see a heartbreaking scene (and really like it) where Edwin is at Lucas’ bed side telling him that he loves him but that he has to let him go.
This leads me also to the spoiler of the script that Mark translated for us “EDWIN: He said I was [the love of his life]. And I abandoned him”, It could make sense that Edwin feels guilty for abandoning Lucas right before he woke up.
And in this loooooong analysis I don’t know where to add Ron, mainly because I still don’t get what are the intensions of the writers for this character.
I have to admit that I really like this storyline and I’m looking forward to seeing how it really evolves so kudos to the authors!!
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