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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 4:52:35 GMT -5
Mmm.. this spoiler doesn't seem Edwin related... And not knowing what's happening outside of Lucas-Edwin-Ron storyline I don't know what the discovery could be (good or bad? )
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 17:23:07 GMT -5
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 16:32:18 GMT -5
I'll repeat it (my post must've lost in all the turmoil of the last 2 hours ), I downloaded part 290 from Vimeo before it was deleted... Hi ilawould you be willing to share it on mediafire so that some of us who missed it could get a chance to save it? I know I'd be very grateful. I'm uploading it right now, once it's completed I'll post the link. FYI the video is in .flv format (I use VLC media player to watch it because I know this is one of the few programs that can read this format..)
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 15:11:27 GMT -5
I'll repeat it (my post must've lost in all the turmoil of the last 2 hours ), I downloaded part 290 from Vimeo before it was deleted...
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 14:50:29 GMT -5
I think the new spoiler suggests that Edwin while trying to move on with Ron, is still deeply in love with Lucas. and kknowing Lucas he's probally going ot try and hid how much he still loves Edwin by having a series of meaningless flings to prove he's over Edwin. This might be why Noud buts in. He knows his friend is miserible, he knows he's missing Edwin, and more importanly he knows that Lucas has changed. Hes not the same guy who can be content to have meaningless flings anymore. I tink Bianc will get involved because she will will that Ron isn't the one for her son. That wile she may like him, Ron isn' the love of her sons life. That Edwin is really unhappy and covering for it with Ron because Lucas won't/can't take him back. I think she knows if Lucas would soften towards Edwin, Ron would be a distant memory. I say that because for Bianca there is nothing more important than the happiness of her family. And if for one second she thought Edwin was happy with Ron, she'd back off. She doesn't think Edwin is happy and therefore is going to try and do something about it. Should she mind her business? Yes. Will she? No. It's what makes her at the same time over portetive and a good mother. And if Janine wasn't involved with her own drama she;d be doingthe same thing. And while Noud should mind hsi owm business. I like that he cares this much about Lucas. I like that they are going to get to interact more, I miss their scenes together because they have such a beautiful bromance going on. Thanks, Ladyarmand! This post got me thinking... Reading the new spoiler I immediately thought of Edwin not being able to choose between Lucas and Ron... But I'd like if what you wrote is actually going to happen. It makes sense for Edwin trying to move on with Ron and figure out his feelings for him, even if he still loves Lucas (and never wanted the break up with him) and its difficult for him to see how Lucas moved on (already flirting with other guys). It also makes sense that Noud knows Lucas is suffering (and wants to help him trust Edwin again) and Bianca as well knows Edwin loves Lucas very much (of course she butts in everytime, she has been doing it all the time..) and maybe tries to make him understand that he has to fight to win Lucas back...
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 14:29:11 GMT -5
What a shame! I don't really get why they do this, even deleting someone's account on Vimeo..they could've at least given a warning! If anyone recorded 290 and can share it with me, I'd be very grateful. HQ75, luckily I downloaded the last videos on Vimeo (part 288-289-290) because it's faster for me to download the video than waiting for it to be completed loaded.. (don't know why ) So I don't know how to share the video...maybe I could try to upload it on Youtube (without names, links and stuff as someone suggested, and of course if Mark is ok with it!)
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 8:15:54 GMT -5
ila, you're mentioning spoilers in the general discussion thread... Sorry, you're right I modified the last sentence..
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 5:04:08 GMT -5
I still don't feel any chemistry from Edwin and Ron in their mini-scenes, I also don't see any chemistry between them. Don't get me wrong, I definitely like Edwin and I don't dislike Ron at all (he's just not my type), but still I don't know.. They don't give me the impression of having sexual chemistry... But I'm willing to change my opinion in the future...
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Post by ila on Nov 23, 2011 4:25:42 GMT -5
From the new spoiler it seems that Noud and Bianca join forces to bring Lucas and Edwin together again... So not expected! Thanks Mark for the clip!!!!. Now I understand why Lucas calls Ron arrogant. For Ron to say what he did in front of Lucas, actually Edwin too. I'm surprised Lucas didn't lose it completely during their little exchange. What does Ron say exactly? I haven't had the time to watch the subbed episode yet...
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 17:13:44 GMT -5
And also in the interviews they have to talk about something they shot 2 months before...
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 17:05:09 GMT -5
I believe they take a break around the holidays so then it's going to be about 6 weeks. Ferry's first week back at the studio was also the first week the show was back on the air after the summer break. So at the end of last season in July, the actors were about to start filming for the new season... Wow, and of course they can't tell what's happening on the show before it airs (even to their friends, family, etc...)... Boy, I wouldn't be able to keep silent for that long ;D
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 16:53:19 GMT -5
What?! They film that much in advance?? I guess I don't know a lot about TV and soaps
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 16:46:53 GMT -5
Thanks, Mark for the info! I can't wait for tomorrow's episode and I'm sure it will be as good as you anticipated! So I assume Ron will leave Meerdijk between end of December and beginning of January?! Do they film a month ahead of what we actually see on screen (in November they are filming what we will see on December? )
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 15:49:49 GMT -5
Just watched tomorrow's episode for €0,99 on RTL XL. The break-up... It's very emotional. Great acting from Ferry and Raynor. It's clear that both of them still love each other very much, but at the same time this break-up is inevitable. Heartbreaking, but well-written in my opinion. I'm already crying... I'm curious if Edwin tells Lucas he developed feelings for Ron, and if that happens how Lucas reacts. Is there Ron in tomorrow's episode as well (I'd like to see a confrontation with Lucas)?
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 15:38:23 GMT -5
This is really a shame. Thank goodness for Vimeo. If they block you too, there's one based in China that doesn't care what any Western corporation wants. If worst comes to worst, you could just post your translations as a transcript like you do sometimes for the shorties. We're all so thankful for anything you do that makes this wonderful show easier to follow. Sorry you have to deal with this corporate stuff. I agree, I don't get all these copyrights problems.. I mean with your subs, Mark, people from all over the world can follow Lucas and Edwin. If I were the channel I would be happy if one of my shows is followed outside the country (even if it's not their own Youtube channel...)
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 13:09:45 GMT -5
Ahhhh come on now.... what's wrong with Ron?? Sure, he might have played a part in the whole break-up of Ludwin, but I'm sure that wasn't his intention!! I can understand everyone's personal opinion on this whole 'who's to blame - Edwin or Ron' but as long as Ludwin is endgame, I'll sit along for the ride, cos it's sure going to be bumpy and teary =/ But come on now, be nice. Ron's a cutie pie ^_^ Ron is dangerous and a devious person. Ron presents the image that he is a nice guy but he is a snake in disguise. Ron wants Lucas out of the way so he can have Edwin. I think Edwin is a jerk Lucas was only in a coma for two months yet he already was looking for a new man. I don't see Ron that dangerous and devious, and up until now I haven't seen so many (almost none) clues of him wanting to get rid of Lucas in order to have Edwin all for himself... Even Edwin thought Ron wasn't interested in him at all until the minute before they kissed... And "technically" Edwin wasn't already looking for a new man, he just happened to develop feelings for someone who listened to him, understood him and gave him a shoulder to cry on while he was going through hell. I know it is always difficult to sympathize with the character whose purpose in a storyline is to cause problems to the favorite couple, but let's just be happy that this time we don't get to see the same storyline with the 3rd guy who's a villain and wants to break the couple up at any cost! (providing that the story will actually go this way...)
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 12:52:59 GMT -5
I agree with you, jjose. I kind of understand Nina's point of view, she loves her brother very much and she doesn't understand why she should lie for Edwin (I wouldn't lie to my sister "only" to protect her boyfriend for something he regrets, too...); and I like the relationship between Nina and Lucas, they always tell each other everything good or bad it is. Still I think Nina could've tried to listen to Edwin before judging him right away as the bad guy (she should know they weren't the best 2 months of Edwin's life...), and not give him an ultimatum but a little time to figure how to tell Lucas himself (I don't think Lucas would've been upset knowing she didn't tell him right away but tried to make Edwin tell the truth, though).
P.S. Mark, any news from RTL or the show about the Youtube issue???
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Post by ila on Nov 22, 2011 8:41:55 GMT -5
I've been trying to believe in Edwin again. I'm there because he never stoped loving Lucas. Loneliness is a miserable state of presence, the bottom! Yet, there are always consequences for cheating. Edwin needs to suffer equally to what Lucas will experience or perhaps greater. But didn't Edwin suffer greatly over the last two months? Does he need to continue to suffer? Why does he (perhaps) need to suffer more than Lucas? I agree with you Zathras, I know Edwin made a bad choice, but I don't think he deserves to suffer... IMO he managed greatly the entire period Lucas was in a coma except the very end, and I also don't think he decided to keep quiet about the kiss because of a "stupid" reason, he knows for sure that he wants to stay with Lucas and is scared to death to lose him. As for the new spoiler I'm glad someone (Noud) tries to understand Edwin's situation and helps Lucas understand it as well.. Still I can see them change their minds after finding out Edwin slept with Ron after the break up and maybe started dating Ron (if that's the case)..We'll see!
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Post by ila on Nov 21, 2011 16:40:13 GMT -5
Jjose712, I don't think Nina87 (and neither do I) want Lucas and Edwin together the minute after they break up (at leas t I don't, correct me if I mistakenly interpreted what you meant nina87 , I actually think it's good for the story if we first get to see how Edwin resolves the issue of him having feelings for Ron even if he loves Lucas, and how Edwin will be able to win Lucas back and how Lucas will be able to trust Edwin again (oh, and in all of this if we get to know Ron a little more). But still, in the end I want to see (and can't wait, because I know it will be well portraid by the actors) Lucas and Edwin back together (with their relationship stronger than ever, of course)!
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Post by ila on Nov 21, 2011 16:12:02 GMT -5
I think everyone was just happy the story was moving again after waiting for two months (maybe that's why I feel so bad for Edwin-we were waiting with him!). I'm not excited for them to be back together, I'm more excited to see how they get there after all this drama I guess that's it. I actually hope we will still get to see how much Edwin loves Lucas (even if he could also put those feelings aside thinking Lucas really doesn't want anything to do with him anymore and then start something with Ron) and his efforts to win Lucas' trust back. Anyway, question for everyone! Do you think Edwin, once he knows Lucas knows about the kiss, will keep denying he has feelings for Ron or will tell the truth trying to make Lucas understand (and forgive him)
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Post by ila on Nov 21, 2011 15:45:31 GMT -5
Sjoerd, Rikki, Sjors and Bing storyline does have a lot of potential IMO, they've already showed a tricky situation with the teen pregnancy; now they are adding fostering and adoption too. They could tell every different point of view, Bing wanting to keep the baby at any cost, Sjors wanting the baby but also understanding Sjoerd/Rikki feelings, Sjoerd discovering how it feels to have a child and not wanting to separate to Bram and Rikki feeling conflicted between keeping the baby or not... Damn, why don't I speak Dutch?!
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Post by ila on Nov 21, 2011 14:54:41 GMT -5
I also think she will probably feel (as I do) that a one-night-stand is out of character for Edwin. Even though Ron is not a random dude, Edwin having sex on impulse doesn't gel for me. It's seems a bit like Edwin using Ron, which disappoints me It could also happen that this time is Ron the one making the first move, since he will probably know that Edwin is "free" form his relationship with Lucas... Also I don't think it's out of character for Edwin to have a one-night-stand, we all know Edwin has never been an overly sexual person but we also know that at the moment he's not able to put up with all the pressure of what's happening to him (and this led and IMO will led him to make wrong decisions..). I actually hope that Edwin and Ron do pursue a relationship, to lend some meaning to all this drama and to allow Lucas and Edwin to mature separately (particularly Edwin). I think this storyline will really help them become entrenched in GTST as a OTP like Ludo/Janine and Rik/Anita and I think the audience will get more invested in them. I think too that if Edwin and Ron pursue some kind of relationship it will strengthen Ludwin as a couple when they will be back together (as you said Nina87, hopefully after Edwin chooses Lucas and not because Ron will turn out to be a villain). As for Maxime (after actually watching the scene) I kind of get her opinion (at first I thought she would've judged Edwin as a bad guy), she is just telling Lucas how it was for her and Danny and how her trust towards him changed (did I get it right?). I also feel sorry for Edwin at the moment (even if I know he made a bad mistake), because in people's eyes that "little" kiss completely darkened the 2 awful months he spent with Lucas despite everything and everybody demonstrating how much he loves his soon-to-be ( ) ex-boyfriend.. I actually would like if someone stood up for him understanding how the entire situation must have been difficult (and it seems Bianca will understand that, afterall she is the mother every child would love to have!). P.S. At the beginning of the season I couldn't wait for all the drama that there was going to be when Lucas would've woken up (included the break up).. and now that we are 2 episodes away from that to happen I already can't wait for the reconciliation and for Lucas and Edwin to be back together! ;D
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Post by ila on Nov 21, 2011 11:51:11 GMT -5
Anyway, at first Lucas wants to stay with Edwin ("It's just a kiss"). But Maxime tells him that he just can't trust Edwin anymore. She was in the same situation with Danny. Lucas breaks up with Edwin. Was Maxime almost dead and Danny kissed someone else? Or she was completely alive when Danny cheated on her? If the cheating happened on the second case I don't get why Maxime tells Lucas "it's the same situation"... Anyway... Lucas out of the hospital! Yay!
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Post by ila on Nov 19, 2011 22:54:16 GMT -5
Kevin's character should be given more development, but unfortunately ( for me) I don't think the soap will do that. As far as I know, the actor is supposed to stay for a short time, so I take his character as just a plot device intended to stir the pot for a while . At least, that's how I see it I think we already imagined Ron would've been only a plot device for Lucas and Edwin (I imagine this is also because of the temporary "vacation" Ferry had to take..), they needed to find something for Edwin while Lucas was in a coma. And the actor kind of anticipated it in an interview, he said Ron would've brought conflict in Meerdijk or something like that... So I don't think we will see a development of the Ron character, but more likely a big conclusion for him...
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Post by ila on Nov 19, 2011 13:05:19 GMT -5
My (rough) picture of Ron is that he's a generally okay guy, though he has some issues with knowing proper boundaries that cause him to do dumb things. I suppose you'd say that he sometimes has poor judgment. I think he has some feelings for Edwin, but one of two things has happened. Either (a) he has been deliberately trying not to show it, or (b) the actor just isn't doing a good job of showing it. In either case, I get the feeling that the show just isn't investing time in making Ron the most believable, well-defined character. He's a temporary character whose sole purpose is to cause drama for Edwin and Lucas. I agree with you on this, as far as I saw from the episodes there are no hints of Ron being that evil person some picture and probably you are right about the show putting zero effort to develop the character.. I'm not entirely sure about Lucas forgiving Edwin right away. Lucas was surprised when they told him he was in a coma for 2 months, so he woke up thinking it was the day after his sister's wedding and the day after he and Edwin were acting all lovey-dovey and the relationship was perfect. For Lucas must be difficult to adjust to the fact that the world moved on without him, that's why it could be a problem for Lucas to learn Edwin developed feelings for someone else (and maybe this is what Edwin thinks and why didn't want to tell anything to Lucas). For Lucas it is as if he went to sleep after the wedding and woke up the day after, then he started noticing everything was changed and worst of all his boyfriend was changed and he can't understand why.
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