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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 16:44:06 GMT -5
I want a sidekick like Noud.... he's awesome I thought that too! ;D Anyway... I'll quickly summarize what I think I understood from today's ep: - Edwin and Ron clearly had sex - Anton is happy about that and already imagines a Ronwin wedding - Bianca is not happy at all because she knows her son and is always right and she is awesome! - Lucas is sure that he adn Edwin are soul mates - Nina tells Lucas to move on because Edwin doesn't deserve him - Noud understands Lucas (as always) and tells him to fight for Edwin - Bianca's lecture at Edwin makes us understand why Edwin slept with Ron (Lucas had been mean to him and he thought he and Lucas are done) - Anton to Lucas "Edwin chose Ron, they slept together, you are out of my life and that of my son, I have the perfect son-in-law (that's what Anton whas thinking IMO) - Bianca to Lucas "give Edwin time, he will figure out that you are the one for him" - Ron understands why Bianca was not so happy to see him at breakfast and asks Edwin if he still loves Lucas and of he had sex with him because of Lucas' reaction at De Koning - Ron definitely knows that he is the rebound guy, but because of his strong feelings for Edwin he believes him when he says that he wants him - Edwin loves Lucas but is in denial (as usual lately) - Lucas "I'm done with Edwin, he is better off without me" and Ron is more his type - Noud "Yeah, right! Who are you kidding Lucas? And that was my personal interpretation af the ep. With every probability the 99.99% of what I think happened didn't actually happened. Oh right, in the middle of all this drama the Lucas/Nina dialogue was hilarious L: Don't touch my hair! N: Go girl! ;D btw... MUST LEARN DUTCH!
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 13:52:09 GMT -5
There's no interaction between Lucas and Edwin today. Lucas wants to go to Edwin, but Bianca and Anton don't think that's a good idea. Eventually Bianca tells says that Edwin is not home alone. Anton adds that he's with Ron. Come on, Anton! A little sensibility... So Edwin doesn't know that Lucas knows that he slept with Ron? Or Bianca tells him that she ran into Lucas earlier and they let slip that Edwin was home with Ron?
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 13:46:00 GMT -5
Really, very few options . But (to me) it's still hard to believe Edwin will have the balls to sleep with Ron, and in Anton's house ... Well, Edwin knows that Anton would love to have Ron as his son-in-law... I don't think Edwin thought that it would've annoyed his father. I remember when Anton helped them get back together, the morning after we could see Lucas and Edwin come down from Edwin's room (implying that they slept there).. If Edwin didn't have a problem back them, knowing that Anton wasn't (isn't) a fan of Lucas, he certainly doesn't now!
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 13:33:57 GMT -5
After. When the episode starts it's already the next day. Interesting, so we have to possibilities here... 1. Ron doesn't buy that Edwin doesn't love Lucas anymore and ends the relationship with Edwin before it even started. 2. Ron believes Edwin, they start dating and Ron will eventually have his heart broken. Lucas was hurt after Edwin told him he wants to take a break, understandably so, cos he put his heart on the chopping block. I think that's why he lashed out at De Koning and said things he didn't mean (which meant that Ed went running to Dansatoria and Ron's arms). I got the impression that he was hurt not because Edwin wants to take a break but because he thinks that Edwin wants a break because he already started dating Ron... At the end though, Noud told him to leave Edwin alone but Lucas still wanted to talk to Edwin to let him know that he's okay with them taking a break.What?! I didn't know that... I can see Lucas freaking out after he finds out the one-night-stand (he will think he was right in the first place about Edwin's motivations for their relationship break) From the shortie, it looks like Edwin regrets sleeping with Ron, Lucas finds out about it, and Edwin does a 180 and decides he doesn't love Lucas anymore and wants Ron ;D Maybe he regrets that Lucas found it out... And I agree, it seems that Edwin will do the same he did with his feelings for Ron when Lucas woke up... He will ignore them, try to bury them until they go away.
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 13:09:10 GMT -5
Ron says 'leave edwin out of this. I don't have anything going on with Edwin' Not exactly. He says "Leave me out of it. I don't have anything with Edwin." Now I get it, thanks Mark and fifi! I actually didn't get why Ron would've said "leave Edwin out of this" (Edwin is obviously the center of the entire situation), but Ron saying to "leave him out" DOES make sense!
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 13:05:44 GMT -5
However, had it not been for the spoiler, I never would have thought they'd do it in Edwin's house Where else could they have done it... GTST doesn't have this many sets, either is Edwin's house (of course we only see the morning after, since Edwin doesn't have a bedroom-set) or the bathrooms in Dansatoria ;D (but that would've really been of bad taste IMO). Mark, if you have already seen today's ep. The scene when Ron asks Edwin if he still has feelings for Lucas and the one when Edwin says that he doesn't have feelings for Lucas anymore is before or after they sleep together?
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 12:55:53 GMT -5
Yes this is the spoiler thread this is why i am asking for information here. But whatever it seem like no one is willing to help..... I didn't mean that it is not allowed to say what happened on the episode before Mark uploads it on YT, indeed! (I was dying to know what was being said, thank you Duskysoda btw!) I meant that since almost none of us speaks Dutch we would've had to wait and see until someone's translation... Anyway... I don't get what Ron says when he interrupts Lucas at De Koning. Can someone explain it to me???
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Post by ila on Dec 1, 2011 3:34:45 GMT -5
I am dying to know what was said between Edwin and Lucas at DeKoning today! Welcome to the club! We just have to be patient and wait for Mark's subs, until then let's keep enjoying the guessing...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 17:38:34 GMT -5
I think the acting has been great. I loved reading a tweet from Ruud today. He was watching the show and complimented Ferry and Raynor with their acting. Yep! And they are so young... I suppose both Ferry and Raynor are at their first acting experience (big role on tv)...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 17:31:56 GMT -5
Mark, thank you very much! It will be hard to wait 2 days for your subs, though! But as long as you can keep uploading the videos on YT without having troubles, it will be worth the waiting.
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 17:26:53 GMT -5
I understood Lucas in the bar saying 'Helemaal'..... does that mean I'm Dutch? Eheh.. I think we are getting used to the sound of the Dutch words they say most of the time... Anyway, I re-watched the shortie for tomorrow and I have to say that Raynor could act only with his eyes, he is so expressive! I could feel, just by watching Edwin's facial expressions, how he knows deep in his heart that Ron and Bianca are right about him still loving Lucas...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 17:09:40 GMT -5
It's called Breaker. I think it might be something they only have over here. It doesn't just look delicious... it IS delicious. And since this season whenever I have a Breaker I feel like I'm in Meerdijk. ;D That's the best part of drinking/eating (I'm still confused about this) a Breaker!
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 17:06:55 GMT -5
Oh Hawtorne, you almost got me with your translation... I think it could exclusively Dutch. Maybe someone knows where us foreigners could buy it I'm always wrong in my guesses, unless it's a Dutch word I know then I'm like 'yes.... 1 word out of 50 isn't bad' I think that in today's ep I understood only the words Lucas, Edwin, Ron, "sweet", "pause", "us"... All the rest is one big question mark that only Mark's subs will solve...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 16:52:40 GMT -5
eheh! ;D I'm glad to find out that I'm not the only one who does this "body language" thing! Though I still have no idea of what was being said in the Bouwhuis brothers' scene (that kind-of-juice-yogurt-thing they started to drink this season always distracts me..), and in the Lucas/Noud scene (I was just so happy to see them interact with each other as the old times)... That yoghurt thing looks absolutely DELISH I must say..... well considering I like baby food , that would look appetising to me, although I doubt it's for babies It does looks delicious! Is it something exclusively Dutch? I have never seen something like that here in Italy... ...and yes, that 'body language' thing is the only thing that keeps me going. LIke I said, most of the freaking time I'm wrong, and then the episode comes along and I'm like 'ahhhhh now I see'ahah me too! And I always think that I already understood what was being said... Noud seems to be like Lucas' personal conscience....because Lucas can be quite stubbor sometimes I'd love to have such an awesome conscience!
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 16:32:39 GMT -5
It's a game I like to call 'guess what's being said by analysing body language' it's quite good fun, and 99% of the time I'm wrong but it passes the time haha eheh! ;D I'm glad to find out that I'm not the only one who does this "body language" thing! Though I still have no idea of what was being said in the Bouwhuis brothers' scene (that kind-of-juice-yogurt-thing they started to drink this season always distracts me..), and in the Lucas/Noud scene (I was just so happy to see them interact with each other as the old times)...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 16:08:03 GMT -5
Ron is already questioning Edwin (as he should lol), and of course Edwin lied. Now Ron will get a taste of what Lucas went through. I think Ron has always been aware that Edwin loves Lucas, he's not stupid at all and IMO he will understand that Edwin and Lucas belong together, but in the meantime he will try to enjoy Edwin as much as he can.
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 15:49:25 GMT -5
oh this is my first post on here... HI everyone Robin M. Welcome aboard! Everything that happened led (IMO) to a necessary Ludwin's break up. Edwin will have to find out what exactly are his feelings for Ron. I think it's a MUST if he ever wants to get Lucas back I agree. If Lucas and Edwin hadn't broken up, Edwin's feelings for Ron wouldn't have gone away (even if Edwin wanted to) and with every probability he would've continued to lie (maybe he would've cheated on Lucas "again") and his relationship with Lucas was going to be doomed for life...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 15:39:00 GMT -5
Ok, just watched today's episode (you have no idea how much I'd love to be able to understand Dutch! ), and can't wait to the English subs for the Lucas/Noud scenes (I practically didn't understand a thing they were saying). And the shortie for tomorrow... IMO it's still not clear if Edwin and Ron will have sex... But I think we will see Edwin doing the exact same thing he did with Lucas: trying to deny his love for Lucas (as he did with his feelings for Ron) in order to start something with Ron (as he tried to do to stay together with Lucas). Come on, does Edwin really say that he doesn't love Lucas anymore?
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 9:02:12 GMT -5
In fact one of the things that make me love this show (besides the sl) is that we don't know what actually happens or where the story is going until the episodes air. And I like coming here reading all kind of different theories! I stopped watching Chrolli because I knew weeks in advance that I wouldn't like what was going to happen...
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 6:25:20 GMT -5
Oh mark, I think I can speak for all of us... you don't know how much we appreciate your hard work and for not giving up.
Whatever you will decide to do, I hope you will continue to join us in the forum, I always love to read your posts!
Kiss and hugs!
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Post by ila on Nov 30, 2011 4:36:40 GMT -5
This is such a shame! For us non-Dutch speakers, but for you Mark. It's not fair that they are forcing you to throw away 3 years of dedicated work (and of your precious time) for what then, nothing?! I hope everything will turn out to be ok again, and (why not) easy as it should be!
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 18:36:02 GMT -5
I too question whether he will have sex with Ron. Will he be thinking about Lucas the whole time? Or will he realize that he really loves Lucas? I think Edwin won't stop loving Lucas, but he will decide to go through his feelings to realize what/who he really wants.
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 17:44:29 GMT -5
What young hottie??? when Ron walks in the DeKonig we can see him talking to a guy while Edwin is still with Lucas ... I totally hadn't noticed it. I was so concentrated in Lucas and Edwin that I didn't even notice that there's a screencap showing Ron inbetween the Lucas/Edwin dialogues But I guess that's just a random guy to justify Ron walking in at De Koning.
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 17:25:27 GMT -5
Ron had his eye on another young hottie. Edwin will soon find out that he's being used. What young hottie???
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 17:23:45 GMT -5
Thanks Mark for the upload even with the hassle. I'm not a huge Anton fan. Even if he has ulterior motives, he did give his son good advice in the end. But then again he only did so in the end because of Bianca who saw that the harder he pushed, the harder Edwin was going to push back. Edwin does need to take a step back and get his head together and figure out what and who he really wants. Not because he could lose them both (because he's going to lose one of them either way). But because in the end he has to do what is going to be best for him. To me Lucas didn't show a sign of weakness. I think what he showed was a sign of recognition. Before he met Edwin, he'd only played at love. What he felt for Noud might have felt like love but it passed so quickly that I see it more as infatuation with a very strong physical attraction. That's what made it so easy to go back to his old ways. With Edwin it was different, there was/is a true heart connection there. So to go back to meaningless one night stands isn't something he can do right now. He knows what real love feel like. He knows what it's like to give it and get it back. Anything less is hollow. Again we have to remember that while it's been two months in real time for everyone else. For Lucas on an emotional level it's only been yesterday. His love for Edwin is just as strong and passionate as it was the night of Nina's wedding. He misses that connection. I don't see that as weakness I see it as human. A really great post, LadyArmand!!!
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