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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 17:00:17 GMT -5
Later Lucas says that Edwin was a coward during his coming out and that he's a coward now. He regrets that he ever started a relationship with him. Wow, that's heavy! I think here we see Lucas that's obviously hurt (thinking Edwin is already dating Ron) wanting to hurt Edwin himself by saying things he doesn't mean... The last scene speaks for itself. Finally Edwin acts on his feelings for Ron! It was about time, IMO. I think that kissing Ron is what Edwin wants at the moment, he finally understood that he has to experience what his feelings are in order to figure out what's best for him. And, as Mark already said, there aren't many places where Edwin and Ron could've met and kiss, either is Dansatoria, De Koning or the hospital (don't think the last one would work ), because it would repetitive if there was another kissing scene in the Bouwhuis' living room (since apparently Edwin still doesn't have a room...). I still think this storyline is about another Edwin's epiphany: he will stay with Ron and in a while he'll find out the obvious: Lucas does it better ;D Ahahah! ;D I laughed my ass off! But I agree with you, I get the impression that the story will show us Edwin experiencing and growing up, and eventually understanding that Lucas is the one for him. I was told that in the previews for Thursday we get to see Lucas running into Anton and Bianca out on the street. Lucas asks them if Edwin is home. That's probably how Lucas finds out about it. Ouch! That's not really the best way for Lucas to find out...
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 16:41:23 GMT -5
Mark, thank you very much for not letting us down even when they give you difficult times!
Anyway, apart from all the drama that's coming... I have to say that I love Edwin's first reaction to what his father is saying (even if we know he's right)... I love all the little critical remarks Edwin says to Anton about him not liking Lucas and not wanting Edwin to get back together with him.
Nina and Lucas together are hilarious! ;D And Lucas looked sooooo good with his messy hair!
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 13:14:09 GMT -5
For now it seems that Lucas (apart from yesterday's phone call) won't chase Edwin to get back together.
I think Bianca's involvement could mean that we will see both parties (Lucas and Edwin) wanting to get back together but are unable to do so because they misunderstood each other. For Lucas it will be difficult to forgive Edwin (or will think Edwin moved on to a new relationship with Ron, if something actually happens between the 2), and Edwin will think that Lucas also moved on (or back to his previous maneater life..) and doesn't love him anymore.
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Post by ila on Nov 29, 2011 10:54:50 GMT -5
December 14: Lorena and Lucas go after the same guy. Edwin is startled by Ron's future plans. Bianca wants to get Lucas and Edwin back together. December 15: The Bouwhuis brothers each have their own dilemma: Sjoerd doesn't know what to do about Rikki's rigorous travel plans. Edwin doesn't know what to do about Ron, who wants to spend the night again. It could be that Ron finally decides where to stand and tells Edwin that he wants a real relationship with him, but Edwin is still conflicted still having strong feelings for Lucas...
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 16:48:46 GMT -5
It makes sense that Edwin isn't handling this the best way. One this is a soap and then where would all the drama come from? Two he's 18/19 years old, that's a lot for a teenager to process well. Three Edwin doesn't exactly come from a family that handles things like this well. Considering all the turmoil they went through on his coming out. Ahah! Can't argue with that ;D I also think that Edwin, not being able to handle the entire situation (first the coma, then his attraction for Ron and in the end feeling guilty for what he did), made bad choices...
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 16:27:27 GMT -5
(And, lastly, let's be clear about what Lucas is upset about; it's not the physical act of cheating (or whatever we want to call it), it's that he may have feelings for someone else). Precisely! One word for today's episode... CONFUSION Watching today's episode I totally didn't expect that Lucas would've called Edwin to tell him that he misses him... What was the "Lucas is completely done with Edwin" spoiler referred to, then??? And at this point I don't get what the spoiler for Wednesday's episode means... I mean, today Lucas tells Edwin that he misses hime and the day after he rejects him so bad that Edwin seeks comfort with Ron?
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 16:01:15 GMT -5
"Ferry Doedens (@ferrydoedens) is now following you on Twitter!" It's always fun to get those kind of e-mails in your inbox. That is so cool! how I envy you!
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 13:39:11 GMT -5
ila, that's where you lose me. It would be different if Lucas was stupid and didn't know Edwin as well as he does. He gave him so many chances to just come clean it wasn't even funny and Edwin chose to take the deceitful way out and lie and lie and lie. So he has no one to blame for how things shook out but himself because if he had been honest from jump, then Lucas never would have enlisted Nina's help in finding out the truth and Edwin could have been the one to tell Lucas instead of being a coward. I mean when Lucas confronted Edwin about the kiss (both scenes before and after Lucas was talking to Maxime) I would've liked it if Lucas tried to understand how Edwin ended up kissing Ron (I don't know if I'm explaining myself..), how it all started, how he tried to fight his new feelings and why he decided to act on his feelings for Ron.. But I know that Lucas has all the reasons of this world to be angry at Edwin, also because Edwin hid what happened when asked directly (even if I don't blame Edwin for doing it, because as I see it he did it in order to not lose Lucas).
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 13:15:29 GMT -5
Right now Lucas is hurt more about the constant lying than what Edwin actually did with Ron, even though he never expected it from Edwin. I actually think that the thing that hurts Lucas most at the moment is the fact that his boyfriend developed feelings for someone else (and is not able to explain to himself how all this could have happened).
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 13:09:05 GMT -5
I think that Lucas is the one who's in the wrong. Edwin did put his life on hold and keep a lonely vigil by his bedside for two months. Everyone else basically went on with their lives. By Lucas' own admission, he wouldn't have been able to do that if the situation was reversed. Lucas would have been having one night stands within a month, most likely. Edwin has proven the depth of his love and deserved more of a hearing than Lucas gave him before dumping him. To summarily dump someone who has shown more love towards you than even your own family is impetuous and egotistical. They should have had a long conversation about it that might have ended with them deciding to take a break from each other for awhile. But to be up on this morally superior cloud that Lucas and Nina are on is delusional. I suspect that Lucas is going to start having regrets very soon. I agree with you, Lucas could have let Edwin some more time to explain what have been for him the past 2 months. But try to see Lucas' pov...He can't understand how it's possible that Edwin developed feelings for someone else (in his mind it's as if it was still 2 months ago, the day of his sister's wedding). For him it's as if he went to sleep being sure of Edwin's feelings for him and woke up with a boyfriend he doesn't recognize. The one I don't understand is Nina, she knows how it was for Edwin for the last couple of months (she could have been more understandable of Edwin, she should know how hard must have been for him if we think about what she went through with Noud's amnesia). She even praised Edwin for being so strong to not lose faith. I know she is very protective of her brother but still...
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Post by ila on Nov 28, 2011 12:47:24 GMT -5
I also would be more likely to believe that the break is going to last longer, if Ron were sticking around. But Mark told us in the beginning that Kevin was only on contract for a limited amount of time. And Mark has recently told us that from tweets he’s read it would appear that Kevin is no longer filming on the show. If this is true (and we don’t know how long ago he stopped filming) the character of Ron is only going to be on screen for a least until January, maybe. And be with Edwin for a short time, depending on how long it takes Edwin to get his head out of his ass. Ron isn’t the issue here, he’s a plot point to get to the issue between the boys, which is their youth, their inexperience in relationships and ultimately the love they have for each other. I see Ron as nothing more than a road block that moves them forward to building a stronger relationship. Ron is a test for their relationship, but that isn’t black and white (which I like) and one that they will ultimately both fail and pass depending on how you look at it. It appears from the spoilers we have (which are vague as usual) that Lucas can’t forgive Edwin (which he is well within his rights to do) and because of this Edwin will try to comfort himself with Ron (rebound relationships never work) and this will lead him to confront his feelings for Ron. Which I would suspect had more to do with loneliness and hopelessness than Ron himself. Which will in turn lead him to the realization that he fucked up the best thing he ever had over nothing. But it will force him to fight for Lucas which is something he’s never really had to do. This is why we haven’t gotten any depth out of the Ron character. His motives can be read several different ways, the character like Marco before him is so written so vaguely that he can be twisted into any shape or form because he has virtually no substance whatsoever. He’s just there at the moment taking up space and causing problems for Edwin and Lucas, who are the primary focus of the story being told. Ron’s character is incidental to that story and therefore (like Marco albeit in a different manner I hope) will become a victim to the story being told, as he will soon be off the scene. Sound familiar if you look at VL right now same story going on there with the incidental character who will soon be gone but is there as yet another in a long (and at this point) boring string of incidents that have kept Chrolli apart low these many months. Couldn't have said it better! Since (IMO) there's a 99.99% probability that we won't find out more about Ron before he disappears, I would like to see Edwin fight for Lucas rather than have them back together the minute after Ron is gone. I hope we will find out where the story is going with the next spoilers..
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Post by ila on Nov 27, 2011 15:20:47 GMT -5
After Friday's episode and the "beer throwing scene" I'm starting to think Ron will only be a rebound for Edwin (since Lucas won't want to have anything to do with him for a while), nothing less nothing more. I hope I'm wrong about this, of course, and I think it's about time that we get to know more about what are Ron's intentions. I would like if Edwin finally admits his feelings for Ron and understands that as long as he denies them (and doesn't act on them) he won't be able to grow up and to know what he really wants (Lucas, of course! )
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Post by ila on Nov 27, 2011 14:50:26 GMT -5
Ron, however, still doesn't make much sense. Regardless of how he found out about the breakup, Ron coming over to Edwin's was exactly the wrong thing to do. I thought at first it was because he was so in love with Edwin that he was just grabbing any chance he could get. But he never really declared his feelings or offered any explanation for why he was there. Exactly! If the scene at De Koning had the only purpose of showing Nina upset with Edwin and Ron, they could also have made Edwin and Ron run into each other at De Koning or have the scene take place at the hospital. I was actually hoping to know the reason why Ron went to see Edwin (after Anton clearly told him to stay away from Edwin, and apparently he also agreed on it), to understand a little bit more where Ron stands in all of this I think the show is doing the same thing to Ron they did to Edwin when he was first introduced, not revealing his true motivations and feelings to keep the mystery as long as possible. Yeah, but Edwin was introduced, as the whole Bouwhuis family, to become a permanent role in the show and eventually we had the chance to see the character development. For Ron it's different because he was introduced "only" as a plot device for Edwin while Lucas was in a coma and to cause a little trouble in the relationship. At this point I have doubts if the show does really want to let us know a bit more about who Ron is, he doesn't have a lot of time before to "disappear" from Meerdijk... (a month, a month and a half??).
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Post by ila on Nov 26, 2011 8:49:05 GMT -5
In Moday's shortie am I wrong or Anton is really giving Edwin a good advice?! I like to see that Anton is the one who's there for Edwin trying to make him understand the situation and realize how to behave in order to not to screw up everything (either if Edwin decides for Lucas or Ron).
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Post by ila on Nov 26, 2011 8:32:11 GMT -5
Of course he can, and what Nina did was wrong. But getting out with Ron the minute he broke with Lucas showed that he wasn't that interested in his relationship or so sad after the break. Not everyone who gets dumped has to lock themselves in their room and eat chocolate ice cream listening to sad music... Everyone reacts in their own way. And form what I think I understood from the epsiode (and from Mondays' shortie) it seems to me that Edwin is kind of in denial that his relationship with Lucas is done (don't know if I explained myself..). And I can understand Nina pov, the minute after Lucas broke up with Edwin, she sees him with Ron (let's remember that Ron for Nina is just "the guy Edwin whom Edwin cheated on Lucas wtih) and she imagines the worst.. I hope we will see Edwin understand he has (for now) to let Lucas go and act on his feelings for Ron, to figure out what he wants and to grow up. After that, of course, he will try to win Lucas back and demonstrate how much he loves him.
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 17:42:27 GMT -5
Hello, Ila Still can't upload, will you please send link to p291 on mediafire...thnx! I just sent you a PM
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 16:05:36 GMT -5
I think it was because of the circumstances that Edwin gave his brother a kiss, you don't see guys kiss on the cheek their brother so often (especially if it's Sjoerd...), but it's not an every day thing that your little (and 17 year old) brother becomes a father!
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 14:50:08 GMT -5
Yep, from the screencaps it seems a funny scene to watch! Just watched tomorrow's episode. I'm all for Nina sticking up for Lucas, but in my opinion she went too far. She jumped to conclusions and wouldn't listen to Edwin. And to make it even worse: she threw Edwin's beer in his face. Don't know why but I can see Nina throwing beer in Edwin's face, she's so theatrical and dramatic. I bet the "she jumped to conclusions" means she thinks Edwin and Ron are already together and happy regardless of Lucas suffering... Could it be the surprise he has for Lucas? I don't get how he can think Lucas would go away on a weekend with him right after the break up... I love it that we actually have to wait until we watch the episodes to clearly understand the spoilers!
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 14:07:03 GMT -5
I'm glad for you HQ75! I uploaded the video with Mediafire.. If someone is having problems with Mediaupload tell me and I can send them a PM with the mediafire link (I'll avoid posting the link, so that we don't have more links for one part)
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 13:31:50 GMT -5
That would be awesome thanks so much ila. I appreciate taking the time. ;D No problem! The computer is doing all the work, I just have to wait for it to be done and copy-paste the link ;D
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 13:21:55 GMT -5
I didn't have any problem downloading the file with Firefox (it was actually really fast, though).
If you want HQ75 I can upload it on Mediafire as I did for the previous part..
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 13:18:06 GMT -5
I've also always loved their relationship. This is also because I think Marjolein Keuning is such a great actress. I loved that scene on location yesterday. Even though I think Maxime was a little harsh. But it was in character. And that's really all I want. Yep! Watching the scene with subs (thank you again btw! ) actually makes sense what she is saying to Lucas. She loves her nephew and doesn't want to see him suffer (as she already knows watching him having a bad day..), so she shares how it was for her when she had to deal with the same situation. And I like that so far none of Lucas' relatives called Edwin names, but worried only for how awful it must be for Lucas (great supporting family!). And I still hope for a confrontation between Lucas and Ron, and I'd love for it to be harsh!
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 12:52:36 GMT -5
I thought (from one of this week's shorties) that Ludo already knew Nick was the guilty one (when he hugged Maxime..) and the were plotting something against Nick.. Nope. That's just an act to make Maxime believe that they think Nick did it. Ah, the spoiler makes sense then... maybe Lucas won't believe what he ears and senses that Nick did it... I hope they don't change Maxime and Lucas relationship, though, because I liked it from the few scenes I watched with both of them.
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 12:32:52 GMT -5
So kind of the show! I'm happy for you, Mark that the show is on your side! And for us non-Dutch speakers (of course!) Oh and thank you very much for allowing us to keep following the story, even if it is a hard time for you!
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Post by ila on Nov 24, 2011 6:19:06 GMT -5
Mmm.. this spoiler doesn't seem Edwin related... And not knowing what's happening outside of Lucas-Edwin-Ron storyline I don't know what the discovery could be (good or bad? ) Ludo and Janine are convinced Maxime tampered with Janine's medicines (but Nick did it). So someone will tell Lucas what his favorite aunt (they believe) did... I thought (from one of this week's shorties) that Ludo already knew Nick was the guilty one (when he hugged Maxime..) and the were plotting something against Nick..
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