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Post by ila on Nov 18, 2011 18:25:38 GMT -5
Now that I was able to watch yesterday's episode actually understanding the dialogues I have to say that this story is becoming better and better in every episode.. I could relate to everyone's pov (Nina, Noud, Edwin, Lucas).
Nina must be a great sister not wanting to lie to her brother (because let's face it, Lucas would've found out about the kiss eventually, and he would've get mad at Nina too because she knew and didn't say anything). Edwin really is afraid of losing Lucas (he hoped until the last that Nina wouldn't tell anything to Lucas when he left them..) and I can see he loves him so much. Noud is the voice of truth, everything he says is gold! In the end Lucas.. notice how his first fear was that Edwin and Ron fell in love with each other and that Edwin was going to dump him.
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Post by ila on Nov 18, 2011 15:57:44 GMT -5
I think Edwin just doesn't know what he wants. He doesn't want to hurt Lucas for sure, but i don't think he is sure of his love for him or at least he is not sure if he wants to stay with him. I think Edwin does know what he wants and that is Lucas. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense that he asked Ron to leave his house the minute after Lucas woke up, and how he behaves badly towards him, because he doesn't want to have feelings for someone other than Lucas. I agree with you on this, but I think Edwin will understand only after loosing Lucas how wrong he was not to tell the truth right away. But then again this is a soap afterall
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Post by ila on Nov 18, 2011 6:18:06 GMT -5
And Edwin will reel over the loss, possibly resulting in him doing something stupid with Ron. Wouldn't be the first time. Exactly Zathras,, that's why I don't view Edwin's fall from grace as some effort on his part to begin the life of a paid prostitute as others believe,,, He's human... We are human,, I've made mistakes like that,, other posters on this board probably can also relate to what's happening here! We learn and recover from them. Edwin will as well I imagine. I agree with both of you, Zathras and duskysoda! Edwin is only 19 yo, he will probably take really bad the break up and if Lucas will act as if he already moved on, Edwin will be allowed to make mistakes. And I don't think he will lose credit in the fan's eyes either..
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 18:00:38 GMT -5
Edwin knows once Lucas finds out the truth he is going to have to admit he was getting ready to sleep with Ron and would have if not for the phone call. That is the biggest reason why Edwin doesn't want Lucas to find out. I actually think the biggest reason why Edwin doesn't want Lucas to find out is because he's scared to lose him all over again after the awful months of Lucas' coma and to let Lucas know he "abandoned" him (eventhough he had a moment of weakness only that night).
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 17:24:02 GMT -5
He wasn't behaving like a jerk on purpose with Lucas on the coming out storyline, but the truth is that he treated him really bad, and he is treating Ron bad right now Sorry, I thought you meant that Edwin is behaving like a jerk with Ron on purpose. Then I agree with you!
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 17:18:22 GMT -5
Steffi, you stole my words with your post! It did seem Lucas wasn't that upset about the kiss but because he was right and he realized Edwin kept lying (and because it was Nina to tell him and not Edwin).. We will just have to see if in the next episode Lucas will confront Edwin right away and break up with him or if he could keep silent trying to make Edwin feel guilty and make him tell the truth and break up with him anyway A consideration: since Lucas woke up it seems he hasn't trusted Edwin that much (of course Edwin hasn't acted normal for the most of the time), I mean he felt right away that something was bothering his boyfriend and didn't change his mind even when Edwin told him everything was ok. And I think this will be one of the issues that will keep them separated, Lucas will feel abandoned (as someone already suggested) and betrayed.. Let's remember Lucas is actually still at the day of the wedding, for him it hasn't changed anything since, he will have to understand what happened during the 2 months of his coma and how it was for Edwin.. Of course in the end there will be a Ludwin reconciliation, but I'd like to see them misunderstanding each other, suffering, bitching and fighting to take back what they had together even though it is obvious they still love each other very much. I so hope the show will keep having great episodes as the current ones are, we have potential here! ;D
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 16:47:12 GMT -5
Well, Edwin is sweet and nice, but for sure that he can be a jerk if he wants. I don't think Edwin is behaving like a jerk towards Ron on purpose, we can see he feels guilty and scared to lose Lucas and blaming Ron for what happened (and what is happening in his head) is a way to show it because he doesn't know how to deal with all the emotions he has. Btw I was just re-watching yesterday's episode, and I noticed something.. When Edwin and Ron were talking did he see Anton and didn't say anything (right before telling Edwin that he would've left him alone it seems Ron looked at Anton)?
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 13:52:54 GMT -5
I thought the intensity of Lucas' anger when Nina tried to help him out of bed could be the start of something. Also, when he was so distraught and telling Edwin that he was better off without him made me think that rather than becoming more Sanders-like, Lucas could become more insecure and feel inadequate. These are precisely the moments which made me start thinking of a possible Lucas' change of personality. But, of course I didn't think of a Lucas with less self confidence.. and now that I finally saw the episode with subs (understanding every word), that explains the "why would you even want to be with a loser like that" sentence..
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 12:49:28 GMT -5
That's kind of the show! I hope you/they will solve the Youtube problem. I'm sure that with your subtitled clips, Mark, GTST and consequently RTL have more fans all over the world!
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 12:42:56 GMT -5
When Kevin said in the interview that his character would've brought problem, I think he referred to the (at this point) almost sure Ludwin break up "because of" Ron and Edwin's feelings for him. But still we don't know what will happen after the Dec. 1st spoiler.. The story could go into all kind of directions.. Gosh, I love it when we are forced to make every possible guess because the spoilers don't reveal too much! And of course it keeps the audience glued on the screen!
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 7:57:54 GMT -5
Thank you very much, Mark! Oh God, I have to wait 4 more hours to watch it.. (I'm at work).. Can't wait!!!
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Post by ila on Nov 17, 2011 3:19:18 GMT -5
Let's play a game. During the previews for tomorrow we see that Lucas is having a visitor. But we don't see who it is. Who do you think it could be? I wish it could be Stefano, but I think it's probably Nick. And what if it's Jack???
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 18:01:40 GMT -5
I just watched today's episode without subs (sorry Mark, I wasn't able to resist until your upload , damn my couriosity!) and I totally loved it (btw I'm getting used to the dutch sound, I even think I understood the general topic.. I'll see if I really understood when the video with subs is up..). I'm starting to think we will see a different Lucas in the upcoming episodes, I have the feeling he will be colder and more detached about the entire situation and maybe a little mean towards Edwin and Ron..
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 17:46:13 GMT -5
I guess it is because your youtube channel is so popular that it steels all the viewers from the GTST channel! eheh
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 17:04:10 GMT -5
Maybe it's a matter of time.. I mean yesterday's episode wasn't blocked when you uploaded it this morning..
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 15:00:54 GMT -5
Cute!
I know it can't be Ludo (the person in the picture looks shorter than him) but can you imagine Ludo's face popping up from the big teddy bear!!! ahah hilarious ;D and so not in characte!
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 14:52:17 GMT -5
I don't think they will just casually talk and casually fall asleep, there would be no point in showing that and for Bianca to be shocked..It is more likely the will end up in bed together, what I still don't know it's if Edwin and Ron will become a couple. Until know Ron has been behaving as a "grown up".. He knows Edwin loves Lucas, he accepted to stay away from him when Edwin asked him to, he didn't try to cause trouble between Edwin and Lucas (not yet, everything can still happen) and didn't say anything to Anton of what have been going on. This is why I don't see how he would think that starting a relationship with Edwin, right after Edwin and Lucas broke up (and after Edwin trying to get Lucas back), would be good for him.. It's a relationship destined to fail and IMO Ron is smart enough to see that. But then again, I guess the next spoilers will reveal something more..
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 13:34:42 GMT -5
One of the many things I liked about this episode was Anton (I would've never thought to say it.. )! I like the way he gets the unsaid facts, and how he understands Edwin's feelings and how he tries to help him asking Ron to stay away from his son. I have to say.. Edwin was really (but really) nervous, he needed to chill a little, of course Lucas noticed something was going on, after all his not stupid! Oh and I loved Lucas comment about not having sex for a long time, it made me smile, but I think he said that to see Edwin's reaction too..
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Post by ila on Nov 16, 2011 13:10:37 GMT -5
I already thought the story was heading this way, and now the spoilers seem to confirm what I've been thinking.. Lucas breaks up with Edwin, then Edwin tries to explain himself to be forgiven (apparently he even proposes to Lucas), and after Lucas makes him believe he lost him forever Edwin finds shelter in Ron's body. And at this pointI'd like for Lucas to go back to his life before Edwin for a while, just to make Edwin a little jelous and to "force" him to fight for Lucas' heart (I know I'm helplessly romantic..)
IMO what's going to happen to Edwin's character is a naturally development of a well written storyline, I like how this is all going because usually soaps aren't known for likely storylines..
And Mark, thanks for the little synthesis about today's episode! Knowing what's happening how will I be able to wait for your subs?! Can't wait!
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Post by ila on Nov 15, 2011 16:55:22 GMT -5
Well, that's devotion! Thanks, Mark for the info.
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Post by ila on Nov 15, 2011 16:33:30 GMT -5
Mark, I was just thinking.. Will the show air both on December 25th & 26th? I don't know how it is in The Netherlands, but here in Italy usually on Christmas and on St. Stephen's the daily shows stop airing for the holidays..
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Post by ila on Nov 15, 2011 13:03:29 GMT -5
The spoilers just don't spoil anything at all. Everything could have totally opposed interpretations. In the first spoilers seemed that Edwin would pursue something with Ron, now seems that he wants Lucas back. I'm a 100% with you about the spoilers not revealing that much (and I like it!), in fact as I interpreted the spoiler I didn't think Edwin would've start something with Ron ;D Anyway I have to say that, as Mark did, I thought at the proposal right away too (recalling the script) and I like the idea of Lucas turning it down (because I think this will be the case) not because their too young but because I think they have to strenghten their relationship a bit more. It seems that at the beginning of the break up Edwin will try to win Lucas back, and after the "Lucas is completely done with Edwin" spoiler and the (not so sure) marriage-proposal-rejection maybe he will run to Ron.. Oh and I have to say I just watched today's shortie and I didn't get a word they were saying (well then I understood the word "Ron" and "homo"..) but DRAMA!!!!
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Post by ila on Nov 13, 2011 18:12:19 GMT -5
And? Did you see the words trash, tramp, or slut in my post? That would be a HELL NO. So my point once again is and what? I'm sorry but I don't see how calling Edwin asshole could be a "Constructive criticism of the Edwin character", instead I think it's quite the same of calling him "trash, tramp and a slut"
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Post by ila on Nov 13, 2011 9:25:31 GMT -5
Why the hell is Lucas being blamed for everything and his past being brought up to justify Edwin being a weak and cheating asshole? Don't get this post wrong because I don't want to be polemic, but is it really necessary calling Edwin names? I get that one thinks Edwin is behaving badly but I don't get why call him "asshole", we can express our disappointment in a different way..
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Post by ila on Nov 12, 2011 19:41:39 GMT -5
For Edwin it was two gut-wrenching months. For Lucas it was just yesterday. He wakes up and all this time has passed things have changed around him but be remains the same because he wakes up just as in love as he was the day of the accident. I think in some people's rush to see things from Edwin's pov and therefore justify everything he's done or will do, are forgetting to actually see it from Lucas' pov and look at what he will do based on him being emotionally in the same place he was before the coma. I totally agree on this, and I think that at the very end Lucas will understand and be able to forgive Edwin (I hope because of how hard Edwin fights to show him how much he loves him and wants to get him back).
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