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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 12:05:00 GMT -5
I think the stairs that lead to the flat are at the back of the building. Because, when they come out of the hall into No Limit they are always coming from the left:
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 11:55:37 GMT -5
Yeah and she and Charlie are sort of old time enemies. Have been for years. So Tanja mostly comes to Schneiders to snipe at Charlie and complain about the cooking. It's mostly so she can trade one-liners with various characters. Oh. I like seeing Olli when he's at work and doing non-Christian stuff (of course I like them together better). But it's fun to see the guys involved with others on the show.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 11:54:01 GMT -5
Hey. At the very end of this episode. What's with that Blonde girls attitude? Why's she getting bitchy with Olli and Charlie? That's Tanja and, hair color aside, she's an evil bitch. Seriously. I remember that in one episode it was pointed out that she it the daughter of a rich guy, right? But Charlie is the boss. Why is she talking down to her?
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 11:47:09 GMT -5
Hey. At the very end of this episode. What's with that Blonde girls attitude? Why's she getting bitchy with Olli and Charlie?
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 11:34:31 GMT -5
I have a feelng that Kieron is the one who will get cold feet, and not John Paul. The unconfirmed spoiler says he thinks thngs are moving too fast, which is true, so he's the one who may do something to get the wedding called off. On the other hand, the spoilers for the night time shows said that there will be a surprise wedding, so I wonder if this could be John Paul and Kieron's wedding. Whatever happens, I hope the writers don't make one of these guys out to be the bad guy if their relationship ends. I don't want to see John Paul run to Craig if Kieron cheats on him, and I don't want to see Kieron hurt by JP cheating on him. I gotta say...if there is cheating involved I'll hate them all. After all they went through prior to Craig leaving it would mean that they learned nothing.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 11:32:46 GMT -5
What I hope happens:
I'm hoping that Craig is returning just to put the JP and Craig storyline to rest. Give it complete closure. And I hope that happens in a positive way. Craig's not the bad guy and neither is JP. They had their moment and have both decided to move on with each of them being an important moment in their development as men. I hope Craig is totally accepting of his bisexuality and free to be open in public if his next partner is a man.
I hope that the rumors of James leaving are untrue. Not just because he's a gay character, but because I really like him. I'm also hoping that he doesn't leave the show because if he does and (here's the second part of my wish) he's married to Kieron, then that would mean Kieron would leave the show also.
I really want them both to stay.
What I think is going to happen:
Honestly, I don't know. There's so many options out there for the writers they could do almost anything. JP could choose neither and just go off to find himself. Kieron could turn out to be a jerk and JP runs into Craig's arms. Craig could return and destroy JPK out of jealousy and JP could run away from it all. JP could choose Craig.
It's gonna be a fantastic few months.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 20:10:14 GMT -5
And look behind the shelves in Christian's room...there's another room.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 19:46:58 GMT -5
Plus...let's also not forget that behind this door is the bathroom... But wait...it actually isn't...it opens to a hallway that must lead to a bathroom. Look behind Olli: This apartment is symbolic of Nuke. It's a total mess and doesn't belong together.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 19:37:20 GMT -5
No, i don't think it's the same: Sorry guys, I give up! It took a while to even see the corner, my eyes were distracted. Hubba Hubba! Olli!
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 14:48:09 GMT -5
Nope you got that wrong. Yes Roman figure skater, Deniz hockey player (it should probably be mentioned that both him and Vanessa are 17 and Roman is older). I'm not sure if I would really consider them friends though. Deniz father has a bar and owed money to the mob. To get rid of the debt Deniz and Vanessa organized a party at the bar and begged Roman to come as he is a bronze medal winner and they thought it would give the publicity. Roman kissed Deniz at this party as a joke and somebody snapped a picture of it. A journalist stole the picture and the picture ended up in the paper. The teammates teased him and Deniz became aggressive against Roman. Also tried to make Nina his girlfriend to prove his straightness. He also began dreaming about Roman and getting erections around him. Roman was gaybashed, Deniz ran away, felt guilty, there was drama about them needing a witness for nailing down the gaybashers, Deniz helped Roman get back on the ice and the two became a couple. They were caught by Deniz father who was pissy and Deniz defending his relationship with Roman to his dad. Roman and Deniz were together for a bit with minor drama. Then for some reason Deniz starts feeling closer to Vanessa and starts kissing her and having sex with her behind Roman's back. She wants him to break it off with Roman and tell Roman the truth. He continues lying to both of them. Roman notices that Deniz is pulling away and overstates the extent of his injury to get Deniz to stay with him rather than run off to help Vanessa with some drama. Deniz accidentally sends an invitation to pool sex to both of this lovers. Roman shows up and finds Deniz and Vanessa doing it in the pool. Both Roman and Vanessa are mad at Deniz for lying and give him the cold shoulder. To save his relationship Roman thinks he has to tell Deniz the truth about lying about the injury. Instead Deniz uses this as a reason to break up with Roman and get Vanessa to take him back. Deniz and Vanessa become a couple. Personally? He's just a hot mess. IMO he doesn't come off as angsty about being gay at all. Just as really dumb. Thanks. I don't know where we got the idea that they were arguing over a model contract also. Maybe it was in a short film that we watched. We need to stop watching so much YouTube!! LOLOops, I see you updated and the modeling thing is there. Thanks for all the info. But just so we are clear...the storyline is pretty much over. Both guys are moving on to other relationships and storylines, correct?
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 14:30:47 GMT -5
Okay...Jacob and I wanna make sure we are following this story correctly. We are confusing one another and not even sure if we have our facts correct.
Roman is a professional figure skater. Deniz is on a hockey team. They both knew each other through the facility they work out at and became friends. Roman is in his mid-20's and Deniz is about to turn 20. At a modeling gig Roman and Deniz had a kiss for the camera and Deniz teammates teased him about it. Roman had a modeling contract and it was taken away from him and given to Deniz. Deniz felt bad and turned down the modeling offer. That was a very short story because now neither one is a model.
So Deniz was confused by the kiss and started to daydream about Roman. Roman was bashed by some of the hockey guys and Deniz walked by while he was being bashed. the bashers wanted him to join in but he ran. Roman had a hurt leg and there was a possibility that his skating career was done. But, thanks to Deniz encouraging him he pulled through and he skates again.
After some back and forth coming out confusion Deniz came out as gay...to everybody including is parents. His father was upset at first but then the day they were moving Deniz mother forced the dad and Roman together and all worked out.
Then roman got cold feet about being gay, thinkis it was a phase and now he's with Vanessa. Roman and Deniz hardly talk becuae it's uncomfortable for Deniz.
In the mean time, Roman is still single. Deniz is dating Va nd doing coke.
Is that right? Am I missing anything?
Jacob says there is a rape in there some where, but I think he is thinking of the gay bashing.
Now, a question. Have the writer's given any indication that Deniz's current behavior is because of his confusion or is he just a hot mess?
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 14:18:24 GMT -5
On the All that Matters wiki page, under Deniz Oztuerk's character recap it's listed "was gay" LOL I love when people put that. Like...oops, it didn't stick. He's no longer gay. You gotta love Wiki. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alles_was_zaehlt
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 7:55:52 GMT -5
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 7:53:01 GMT -5
Big Big JP and Kieron fan here. Although I do not hate Craig. I just think that between the two, Father Kieron is the better selection.
It's really hard to argue between the two because the JP/Kieron storyline is still in it's early stages. In their soap world they just started seeing each other and only recently had sex. And, well, you only need to read the spoilers to know where it's headed next. This relationship has exploded in a matter of moments. JP/Craig dragged on and on and even after all that, in the end, Craig still couldn't be honest about who he was with the man that he loved.
I think this quote could apply to both relationships:
"Love takes off masks that we fear we cannot live without and know we cannot live within." - James Baldwin
In the end, Craig could not take off his mask...even when he was so close to having it all.
And for Father Kieron. I think he's about to remove his mask. But the thing is that his mask is not his homosexuality, it's his religion. I respect the fact that Kieron is not denying that he is gay to JP and most importantly to himself. The hardest person for a gay person to come out to is their self. Kieron has done that. He's also come out to JP, obviously. And also Niall. JP is the first time he's had to question his calling and you can see he's torn up about the duplicity and lies.
But like I said, it's hard to compare the two relationships because of the current early stage of JPK.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 7:35:04 GMT -5
Someone should ask them if the flat mates have a cleaning schedule and if having to clean the bathroom is the worst job on the list.
Even though the layout is questionable, I do love that apartment.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 7:31:29 GMT -5
The thing about the Reg character is this -- The ATWT writers will not get him correct. The character itself has the potential to be fun. His very first "real" episode and I thought, this guy has potential to be trouble...fun...but trouble. He's recently broken up and in walks Luke. Reg asks how things are going and Luke says not so good. Luke hardly has a chance to get the last syllable out and Reg has already made a move on him. So completely typical in the gay community. Hell, half the time they don't even wait for your relationship to be over and they are hitting on you. They could unlock the Reg character in one scene. Luke and Reg are having coffee and Luke asks "Why'd you break up with Tony?" Reg could be like, "Well, Tony wasn't a one man kinda guy. I'm looking for something serious. I want a guy who isn't afraid to be himself and just with me." *swoon* cut to bluebirds landing on branch, deer drinking from stream and butterflys floating from flower to flower. Question is...is Reg serious or just being a player? There's a month and a half killed on the show. The whole time Noah is pinning away or trying to date but then he can't take it and tries to win Luke back.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 17, 2008 0:07:48 GMT -5
I was also very curious about the layout of the apartment. First of all...you could hold a gymnastic event in that bathroom...it's HUGE! I also wonder where they go when they walk off to the left when they go in the bedroom hallway (spot A on the picture). I've seen them turn that way before. Because, if you are standing at the door looking into the apartment - right in front of the door is the TV/Sofa area....to the right of that is the table and then further in past the sofa is the kitchen...to right of the kitchen is the bathroom door. So...when you are at the eating table and looking towards the kitchen the door leading to the hallway that takes you to the bedrooms is straight ahead. When you open that door...what room could possibly be to the left? If you do towards the left in that hallway the bathroom is on the other side of the wall. And with Christian's room, based on the door and the window...you'd have to make a right at the door, walk down a hall and then make a right to get into his room...that would take you back to the dining area. There is a window to the left when you walk though his bedroom door. Where the devil is that 3rd bedroom? When they show the outside of the flat there are three windows along the outside of their area...or is it four? One window is taken up by the dining area.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 16, 2008 23:29:27 GMT -5
I hate this relationship so much...I can't even put into words how annoyed I was with today's episode. 10 minutes of arguing and saying nothing. Nothing! Neither one of them could just look at the other and say what was really going on. And Luke seriously needs to grow a pair. I wanted a relationship to end so bad in this episode I turned to my boyfriend and broke up with him. I actually hope that Luke hits it off with Reg. The show just really needs something new if this is how these two are going to communicate with each other.
You know what really struck me in this episode? They almost always fight away from each other. They are hardly near each other. I hate to make the comparison but when Ollian argue or even when they are chatting, they are almost always right by each other.
God I hated this episode. It was forced and endless. And the really really irritating thing is that the shot of the ring on the table was a totally excellent scene. It could have been a turning point but they didn't do a thing with it.
UGH!!!!
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 16, 2008 14:15:05 GMT -5
Am I missing something here? Is there some background story on Olivia that has shown one shred of trustability when it comes to Olivia?
Remember the episode when Olli kissed Christian at the gym? Afterwards he was at Schneider's and Olivia asked him if he had a chance to talk to Christian about kissing Coco and then Olli was like, no..we didn't talk. I kissed him. Even then I thought to myself why would you trust her with that? Sure enough, it played against him.
Then she pulled the crap after she caught them in bed.
Why does Olli even have her around or deal with her. She's terrible.
Is there a good side to her that is not being shown or talked about?
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 16, 2008 9:49:22 GMT -5
Thanks to you all for the compliments...I'm glad you all like them. mattnjacob The wallpapers are beautiful! I like the one with the color in the corner also.....I like it soooo much I want it on my desktop! Is it OK to use it? (*gets on knees, bats eyelashes and begs "pretty please"!) ;D Yes, please do. They are there to be used by anybody who wants them. Feel free to share them with other fans if you like. As far as the naming goes...I was torn. I love them both. They are both dreams. So I just decided to be a diplomat and since Olli is the first part of Ollian I decided to use Oliver and Christian. It's hard to put on in front of the other.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 15, 2008 21:48:21 GMT -5
Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I was asking anybody who wanted to speak up I liked the one with the color corner also. Jacob thought the non-color one would be more to people's liking because it seems like lots of people do black and white Ollian WP's I made two versions of the same wallpaper. Which do you think is better? a) The one that has the color corner? If you are asking for anybody's opinion then I'll tell you I like the first one, a. Simply because of the contrast. Great job and I don't think it is too big.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 15, 2008 20:48:51 GMT -5
I made two versions of the same wallpaper. Which do you think is better? a) The one that has the color corner? b) The one that is all in greys and whites? Also, do you think these are too big? A) B)
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 14, 2008 23:55:31 GMT -5
I think you hit the nail on the head on this. When you go into a room and close the door, you're telling everyone else in the vicinity that you need some privacy and want to be alone. Even people who are in committed relationships need to be aware of personal space issues. Also, as Gregor found out, if you simply barge in without waiting for permission you may see something you weren't prepared to see. Exactly...who knows that he does with that chicken when nobody is looking!
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 14, 2008 22:40:35 GMT -5
Our account is a we...We are Matthew (21) and Jacob (20).
I am from Michigan and Jacob is from Illinois.
Currently we are both at school in Illinois.
We met our freshman year in college and we've been together ever since. One minor split early on but we are a now in a committed relationship as partners...even had a ceremony. We're told we are crazy to be in a closed relationship at such a young age but it works for us.
Normally we don't fill stuff out as a couple, we like to maintain our own identities, but in the case of the subject of this forum we figured it would be easier. We agree on almost everything when it comes to gays on TV and how they are portrayed.
Some movies we enjoy: Shelter, 28 Days Later/28 Weeks Later, V, Maurice, Brokeback Mountain, Muriel's Wedding, Psycho, Terms of Endearment, The Holiday, Bourne Series, Casino Royale (last one). That's a pretty random list...there are tons more and I'm missing some major one I'm sure.
Soap stories we follow or have enjoyed: Ollian on VL, JP on Hollyoaks (go Father Kieron!), Kevin and Scottie Brothers and Sisters, Den/Roman, and Marco on Degrassi High. We've liked the gay stories on Coronation Street and Hollyoaks: In the city. We also liked the gay stories on MTV's Undressed.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 14, 2008 11:31:29 GMT -5
Okay...I tried my hand at wallpapers. I'm not satisfied but maybe someone will like it. I made it big because I read most people have larger screens now and Windows will adjust if it's need to be smaller. Here is it: I love the background texture, not unlike some oil paintings.Thanks. I had the whole background black at first with just the corner image but it seemed plain. I wish VL would release more publicity pics of Ollian. I also with Hollyoaks would do the same for JP and Kieron.
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