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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 12:55:02 GMT -5
Please discuss the triangle here.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2008 13:27:32 GMT -5
It's just a strange, strange storlyine. It seemed to arrive way too fast and out of the blue. I think that there some angles that could have been worked (like Deniz freaking out because he is too young to comitt to a relationship and being with a more mature guy makes him panic) but it was just way too out of the blue and not developed.
The problem is that it just serves to make all parties feel bad. A good triangle should make you feel for all parties and make you genuinely torn between both sides. This just makes all of them look worse than before. Deniz because he is lying cheat and immature. Vanessa because she is being stupid. And Roman, well, I guess he still comes off best but even he seems almost too possessive at times. Not to much because of what he does, but because Deniz doesn't deserve it.
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Post by Simone on Mar 30, 2008 19:58:01 GMT -5
There is actually a fan video dedicated to Vanessa and Deniz so they do have support. I totally don't get that, but apparently there are tons of women who convince themselves that they can make a gay man straight. Seeing that Deniz continues to be attractive to Roman, perhaps the writers are trying to tell them how stupid they are with this story?
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 30, 2008 21:14:34 GMT -5
There is actually a fan video dedicated to Vanessa and Deniz so they do have support. I totally don't get that, but apparently there are tons of women who convince themselves that they can make a gay man straight. Seeing that Deniz continues to be attractive to Roman, perhaps the writers are trying to tell them how stupid they are with this story? I shouldn't be surprised that there is a video for DeVa fans but I don't get how anyone sees anything between them. I mean even if there was no Roman, DeVa is void of any romantic chemistry. I think Vanessa being a "regular girl" snagging a "hot guy" like Deniz makes some think that stuff like that can happen in real life. And truly it can but the problem here is that it is just a diversion in a larger story arc plus DeVa is awkward and uncomfortable to watch not to mention Deniz is gay. Also I agree with you that the fact that TIIC are continuing to show that despite being with Vanessa that Deniz is still seriously attracted to Roman is a major anvil. Especially when his [obvious] attraction to Roman greatly outweighs his [supposed] physical attraction to Vanessa.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 30, 2008 23:44:20 GMT -5
IMO that's the law of the internet. It doesn't matter how strange, rare and obscure something might seem there will always be somebody out there who is fond of it.
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Post by Simone on Mar 31, 2008 10:23:55 GMT -5
So true, Lola.
Can a German speaker tell me what Deniz said to Vanessa when he confided in her that he was gay? I saw the clip on YouTube a while ago, but never got a English translation. Thanks.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 31, 2008 10:33:54 GMT -5
So true, Lola. Can a German speaker tell me what Deniz said to Vanessa when he confided in her that he was gay? I saw the clip on YouTube a while ago, but never got a English translation. Thanks. Do you have the exact link to the episode you want?
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Post by Simone on Mar 31, 2008 15:24:20 GMT -5
Lola, I'll search for the episode on YouTube, but am not sure that I can find it. Gabi will probably post it on her blog eventually.
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Post by Gabi on Mar 31, 2008 15:43:14 GMT -5
I think it's episode 299, just before the "Mercy Seat" scene. Deniz tells her "I'm gay". Vack in Munich, while watching tv and drinking with some guys of his class, one of them wanted to know what it feels like when two boys kiss. So Deniz kissed him and found it was a strange feeling, cool and completely different than kissing a girl.
I'm at episode 257 now, so it will take a while until I get there.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 31, 2008 16:02:52 GMT -5
I think it's episode 299, just before the "Mercy Seat" scene. Deniz tells her "I'm gay". Vack in Munich, while watching tv and drinking with some guys of his class, one of them wanted to know what it feels like when two boys kiss. So Deniz kissed him and found it was a strange feeling, cool and completely different than kissing a girl. I'm at episode 257 now, so it will take a while until I get there. So that's what started the gay rumors! Ok. Interesting to note what triggered Deniz realizing that he liked guys and not gals. Deniz was rather quick to kiss the curious guy. Does he say why he did it or how the other guy responded to Deniz kissing him?
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Post by Gabi on Mar 31, 2008 16:06:21 GMT -5
Does he say why he did it or how the other guy responded to Deniz kissing him? As far as I remember, no.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 31, 2008 19:27:32 GMT -5
I noticed that there is new VaDeRo on RTL's website (eps 393 & 394). I'm about to wade in and watch. Here's to hoping the bilingual folks can jump in with a more detailed synopsis and pointed commentary.
in 393, Jenny says something to Deniz that upset him but I can't figure it out. I hope she is giving him grief for how he screwed over Roman. I still don't buy DeVa at all. ZERO chemistry.
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Post by carld2 on Mar 31, 2008 20:25:14 GMT -5
I'm not surprised if Vanessa and Deniz are popular together. There's a good reason Will & Grace ran for so many years. There's always a fantasy out there about a woman being able to turn her gay best friend straight. That seems to be the whole point of this storyline. I'm relieved they aren't trying to actually tell a love story.
On the American soap All My Children, they had a storyline where a gay teenager kissed his female best friend to try to make himself straight. They had a lot of fans who wanted AMC to put them together. I was proud of AMC for not giving in to the temptation.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 31, 2008 21:07:15 GMT -5
Ep 394: What is Jenny saying to Roman during Deniz's disastrous photo shoot? Is she telling Roman to get over it and Deniz is with Vanessa now and to stop with the drama? Deniz sure is unsettled by Roman. Like in a very obvious way that I am surprised more people aren't commenting on. Hmmmm. Regardless, Jenny certainly doesn't come across as a fan of Deniz but I can't blame her since she's actually being a good friend to Roman.
What was going on with Roman & Ingo after Roman's photo shoot?
O/T: What's going on with the pills and Nadja and Nina?
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Post by Simone on Mar 31, 2008 22:26:22 GMT -5
When I click on episode 394 on the RTL demand site, I get the previous episode. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
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Post by Bonobochick on Mar 31, 2008 23:01:02 GMT -5
When I click on episode 394 on the RTL demand site, I get the previous episode. Does anyone know what I am doing wrong? Thanks. I haven't had a problem just now with puling up 394. Try: rtl-now.rtl.de/awz_produktdetail.php?film_id=4591Hopefully that will work for you.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 1, 2008 0:13:45 GMT -5
Jenny is the model chick? In the beginning she says "Smile, you'll be up in a second". Says Deniz is only getting this chance because he is dating Vanessa. She is basically telling Roman that Deniz is crap (as a model) and that Roman shouldn't be too worried about not getting the job. She looks at Deniz and says that there is no way she'd share panel space with "that". She has a bunch of amusing insults about Deniz (usually about how low class, wooden and uneducated he is).
Photographer guy says Deniz is too stiff, yells at Deniz that he can't take a call in the middle of the shoot. Deniz sees Roman. Then he runs off (I'm guessing because the phone call told him it was an emergency).
I'm having trouble with the thing because the player that rtl uses always sets me back to the very beginning of the episode whenever I try to pause something. So I might have missed some bits (because I always mute the other parts while I try to do something else in the background). I'll try to watch it once more.
He tells Roman that he is up now. Roman is pissy. He asks if they are sure, if there isn't anybody else they have forgotten, like the cleaner maybe.
Roman/Ingo - Talks about how terrible Deniz' shoot was. Says it's justice. Says Deniz was so wooden because he is trying to hide that he is gay, maybe if he would stand by it he could loosen up. Ingo says "Well, good that you don't carry a grudge" (sarcastic).
Oh and the chick was supposed to take antibiotics, but didn't and that's why she passed out. (sorry, I 'm not familiar with the context) She has sepsis/blood poising. She is also pregnant.
Nina and Deniz arguging because Nina hit on Marian. Are they trying to imply maybe somebody mixed up Natalie's antibiotics? Or is she refusing to take them because of the baby?
De and Va talking about the new guy. De asks about him. Can't believe they were together (apparently they were a couple and then found out they were related). De says "Imagine we were siblings too" (me: hmmm, wishful thinking?). Va is not amused. They talk about her upcoming birthday. De pretends not to know when it it. Then says it's next month.
Jenny talks about her old boyfriend Holger who got her many expensive presents. Asks what De will give Va for her birthday. Says "Well, you could make something for her" (implying that he is too poor).
The Steinkamp talk about who should be the new face of Steinkamp. Mean!woman suggests Roman. Steinkamp main guy says that Roman is ho-mo-sexuell and that the female side of Steinkamp is already represented by [name of chick]. Mean!Woman is pissy over that remark. Then they all see Deniz and start drooling over him. LOL. Boss of Steinkamp says he gave Deniz a job because he is dating Vanessa now and says "That guy will do anything." It's hard to convey it right but it sounded unintentionally porny with everybody drooling over Deniz at the same time.
Don't the Steinkamp people know that Deniz used to sleep with Roman? If they consider Roman a liability because he is gay wouldn't there be some hesitation about Deniz too? Even if Roman didn't out him, don't enough people know not to mention the cirumstances under which Deniz left his school?
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 1, 2008 9:30:53 GMT -5
Thanks for the translations of 393 & 394, Lola. Don't the Steinkamp people know that Deniz used to sleep with Roman? If they consider Roman a liability because he is gay wouldn't there be some hesitation about Deniz too? Even if Roman didn't out him, don't enough people know not to mention the cirumstances under which Deniz left his school? It seems to not matter even though Simone not too long ago witnessed that fight at her dinner table between Roman & Deniz that revealed they were together romantically for a time. Plus, DeRo have made out in the pool and all around the grounds of Steinkamp Fitness so I would think that if not everyone knows about them, at least more than a few people are aware. It is weird that people seem to have forgotten that. Or maybe to them Roman seems gay while Deniz - also gay in my books - doesn't seem that way to them. Maybe they need to see Deniz kiss Vanessa and then kiss Roman so they can figure it out.
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Post by Simone on Apr 1, 2008 9:57:02 GMT -5
So Deniz will out of a job if he goes back to Roman. LOL! Igor has a very nice body.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 1, 2008 12:07:20 GMT -5
So Deniz will out of a job if he goes back to Roman. LOL! Igor has a very nice body. Probably, unless Vanessa realizes that her romantic relationship with Deniz is a sham. They are so good as just friends. and I think we all know how I feel about Igor! *slinks away in shame*
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Post by Gabi on Apr 3, 2008 11:25:49 GMT -5
I think it's episode 299, just before the "Mercy Seat" scene. Sorry: 290. not 299.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 8, 2008 13:24:02 GMT -5
I just watched episode 400. Sooo, did Deniz not tell Vanessa he was going to model or just not model that day? She seemed surprised. Hmmm. At first I thought Ingo was being a bad friend to Roman by toasting with Deniz about the modeling (I wouldn't be that nice to someone who did to a friend of mine what Deniz did to Roman) but when he took him aside, I couldn't make out everything but Ingo was questioning Deniz about Roman's feelings on the modeling, right? Could someone transcribe that little side conversation between Ingo and Deniz? Why was Roman torturing himself watching Deniz model? What did Ingo say when he snuck up on Roman and was talking to him? And I see Roman got catty with Vanessa!! He needs to remember to do that when he's around Deniz as well. Dear TIIC, If you insist on a slow road back to DeRo and making the audience suffer with DeVa, in the meantime, please a man the show to put a smile on Roman's face & give the viewers something to enjoy since that is hard to do with DeVa. Thanks!Wow, wardrobe was really unkind to Vanessa in today's ep, especially that side shot. I am not thin chick either so I know what works and what doesn't. That didn't work at all.
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 8, 2008 13:54:53 GMT -5
I think Vanessa knew about the initial shooting, but not that he had gotten the job.
Ingo told Deniz that it's okay if he models as long as the doesn't neglect the ice hockey. Then they clinked bottles. Then Ingo said that Roman was very hurt that he didn't get the job. Deniz said he didn't exactly fall over himself to get the job and that Roman had his chance. Ingo said, probably, but Roman won't see it that way. Then he said that maybe it's a good thing that Deniz will be the model said if Roman had gotten it it might have gone to his head or something along those lines.
Scene where Vanessa walks in on Deniz being prepared. Deniz tells the make up lady he isn't into make-up. Vanessa asks why he is always stealing Jenny's then? ;D LOL, Roman is watching reading the "Trau Dich" coming out pamphlet. Deniz says he didn't tell her because it was supposed to be a birthday surprise that he would give her a paper figure of himself. She says she prefers the original.
Ingo and Roman have great chemistry. Almost too bad that they are just friends.
Roman bitching to Vanessa that he has a bronze medal and Deniz doesn't. Vanessa b*tches back that Deniz has the job because he comes across well on camera and not because he is her boyfriend.
Those must be the ugliest two male models being photographed with Jenny.
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 8, 2008 16:27:51 GMT -5
I think Vanessa knew about the initial shooting, but not that he had gotten the job. Ingo told Deniz that it's okay if he models as long as the doesn't neglect the ice hockey. Then they clinked bottles. Then Ingo said that Roman was very hurt that he didn't get the job. Deniz said he didn't exactly fall over himself to get the job and that Roman had his chance. Ingo said, probably, but Roman won't see it that way. Then he said that maybe it's a good thing that Deniz will be the model said if Roman had gotten it it might have gone to his head or something along those lines. Scene where Vanessa walks in on Deniz being prepared. Deniz tells the make up lady he isn't into make-up. Vanessa asks why he is always stealing Jenny's then? ;D LOL, Roman is watching reading the "Trau Dich" coming out pamphlet. Deniz says he didn't tell her because it was supposed to be a birthday surprise that he would give her a paper figure of himself. She says she prefers the original. Ingo and Roman have great chemistry. Almost too bad that they are just friends. Roman bitching to Vanessa that he has a bronze medal and Deniz doesn't. Vanessa b*tches back that Deniz has the job because he comes across well on camera and not because he is her boyfriend. Those must be the ugliest two male models being photographed with Jenny. I didn't even notice the male models cause I think that was the first time I'd seen Jenny with her hair down and she looks much prettier that way. I think Ingo yanked Roman away too quickly. I also hated that Deniz smirked at Roman & Vanessa's argument. His ego is swelling to a massive size!
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Post by Simone on Apr 8, 2008 19:12:20 GMT -5
Roman looked so handsome giving Deniz the evil eye. I hate how is he so much in the dumps. He is lucky to have a good friend like Ingo who obviously loves him a lot.
AWZ's wardrobe people need to be shot for dressing Vanessa in that bright red spandex top. It looked even worse during the episode than the preview picture. I saw that side shot, Bonochick, that isn't right.
Was Juli trying to tell Oliver that she is the one he is chatting to online?
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