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Post by mgh48 on Aug 7, 2008 0:44:41 GMT -5
But (as a straight person).... hand holding is so impractical! You keep bumping into each other and it keeps you from walking really fast ROFL! And, so many times, I found my stride doesn't match my partner's...it's terribly awkward! Do I slow down? Do I let them speed up? You find yourself thinking more about how to walk together than actually being together. Let's just forget the whole thing, k? Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 7, 2008 0:41:21 GMT -5
By the Gods...I don't see how on earth Lydia and Sebastian can EVER get back together. I mean, just yuck... Geoff It's different for everyone. I remember Sarah the twit on Hollyoaks saying it was worse that Craig was cheating on her with another guy than when her ex-boyfriend Rhys cheated on her with her own mother (and then later when Sarah & Rhys started seeing each other again, he was sleeping with his own sister on the side). I didn't get that POV at all because I'd forgive a guy I was dating for sleeping with another man way before I'd forgive a guy I was dating sleeping with my mother. YMMV. Probably some curly-wurst or strudel. ;D A Schlager album cover & mic ? For me, Bchick (*hugs to you, btw ), I couldn't forgive any of it. But, if forced to answer in some kind weird poll, I'd go with this: Unforgivable: sleeping with another family member of any kind. YUCK! Possibly forgivable: sleeping with a girl---would weird me out, totally, but I could 'consider' reconciliation. I'd THINK about it, that's all I'd promise ;D Never while I live Forgivable By Any Means Known to Man or Woman-kind: sleeping with another guy. Period. Forever. Dumbledore is Really Dead, unforgiveable! heh. ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 6, 2008 23:23:46 GMT -5
brownsugar! Thanks so much for telling us this. I had no idea. I've never experienced this in my entire life. As I keep saying, I'm a rather big guy and basically can handle myself in most confrontations. No one, not even my fellow neanderthalisch high school students ever DARED to say anything to my face. They certainly never attacked me. So, I just tend to look at gay-bashing as a routine violent attack---which I would react to like any other.
Thanks for the insight. It makes this episode even more poignant to me, now.
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 6, 2008 23:14:31 GMT -5
Loved it! Thanks, Tihkon, Ivan and Nanna. Lydia is starting to grow on me. For the first time, I'm actually starting to feel sympathy for her weird situation. So much so, in fact, I kinda want to know what's happened to her mother...? Love our guys just chillin on the couch together. That scene makes up for the sorta automatonisch manner I saw in yesterday's epi. Christian really is looking out for his guy! Hey, what's he reading? Didn't you guys see? Something on hypnosis? Let's hope he's not planning something kinky when Olli is better LOL. Or, ahem, maybe we should hope for it? ;D By the Gods...I don't see how on earth Lydia and Sebastian can EVER get back together. I mean, just yuck... Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 6, 2008 11:42:50 GMT -5
*grins at Bchick and takes a seat beside her*
Hey, all, is there an epi today? Calendar is sorta blank during this period.
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YIKES...too late. Thanks for the recap!
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 6, 2008 8:50:18 GMT -5
Well, this episode has really creeped me out. I'm guessing it was the attack and being helpless to do anything about it heh heh. I have the 'oldest sibling' disease where I feel it's my responsibility to take care of everyone else---even in a soap opera story LOL
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If only, if only I could've been magickally transported to NO LIMITS right when that bastard went for Olli...just for a few minutes! It's driving me crazy heh.
I must say, though, if I had been Christian, I would certainly have shown much more emotion than he did. I realize he was holding in his anger and trying to seem 'normal' for Olli: like, I'm not going to go to pieces while my guy is in serious injury---got to keep it together, I can hear him thinking. But for ME, I would've been fuming, overly concerned and extremely protective. I would've been in the examination room with him---and he wouldn't be alone unless he ordered me out of the room LOL.
But, hey, that's me. Chris is trying to keep it cool so he doesn't add any angst on top of injury to Olli. There is also the probability that Germans react differently in these kinds of situations---more stoically, perhaps? In private, maybe Chris will breakdown and show us more about how he's feeling about this---aka, another talking to a picture scene, or something similar.
Anyway, I loved this episode because it did, in fact, evoke emotion---which is the whole point, I guess. Thanks Ivan, Tihkon and Nanna, thanks so much!
Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 5, 2008 12:08:47 GMT -5
So, do you still want video and caps now that you know everything? Yes, please, Ivan and thanks, man Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 5, 2008 10:29:43 GMT -5
LOL Yeah, all that makes sense. And, of course, for Christian, the only 'straight' (remember, I still believe the moronic Axel is secretly Gay) man who's expressed an interest in friendship is the Neanderthal, himself. I guess, after this, very few from the boxing club, if any, will overtly want to be best buds with Chris. Or, who knows? Maybe Christian's coming out will give the others the courage to do so---he can't possibly be the only Gay boxer in Dusseldorf, eh? Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 5, 2008 9:54:06 GMT -5
Yeah! Now, I'm finding that a bit strange: Christian doesn't *seem* to have any male friends or a 'best buddy'. Of course, we have to go with the 'it's a soap' for this strange lack. But, realistically, I don't know a single guy (Gay or Straight) who doesn't have a 'best buddy' to hang-out with.
Indeed, I've had to listen to so many complaints from couples in conflict: he wants to spend all his time with his friend, not me! etc and so on to the point it's a bit annoying. ;D
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 5, 2008 9:31:53 GMT -5
Yeah, lola! I'm going to go frame-by frame if I can. If he had it in his hand (it telescopes down to shorter than standard pencil), then, yeah---Olli might've perceived it as a small knife or something else---a weapon. And that's what he was backing away from.
hmmm.
Geoff
ps: well, I can't tell! It just seems to magically appear in his hand. hmmm
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 5, 2008 8:47:52 GMT -5
I think we just have to go with the universal: it's soap writing and take it in-stride, sheepie. But, yeah, I agree, the plot seems to bounce around between conflicting motivations/characterizations a bit.
One thing was very clear, though: Christian FINALLY gets to show his true feelings to the world and he's damned proud of that! heh That kiss in No Limits right after Olli says how proud he was to be able to kiss Christian in public: the quick look to make sure people are watching (it seems) or as if to say, well here we are in public! then he does it. LOL
Yeah, it did seem a bit strange for Olli to be suddenly apprehensive about facing Axel. Of course, we all know it's a ploy for the start of a new plot. And, apparently, Olli doesn't know even basic self-defense techniques---because Axel has left himself wide-open to a swift, devastating kick to the crotch which would put an end to this assault rather easily---unless he tanked-up on crack or pcp, of course.
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 4, 2008 11:48:05 GMT -5
Yes, thanks! I won't see anything till I get home late, late tonight so this recap is very helpful and appreciated. thanks, all! Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 4, 2008 0:55:13 GMT -5
Great idea, Alde, but I want him to say it in the middle of No Limits right in front of Miriam! Yes, I'm ebil that way heh heh heh But, Bchick, your point is well taken: you can say the same thing by actions; sometimes, the words would just be unnecessary. I could imagine the scene when C says this and O, going, "Oh? but you always say this to me, Christian---with your eyes and your touch. I've known all along how you felt." Geoff Maybe it's a hold over from some other shows I've watched where main romantic couples were supposed to be [deeply] in love and I just never saw it (hey QAF-USA! as one prime example of that) so hearing folks say ILU and not seeing any love between the characters was just . (I am sure we can all think of a couple of shows that fit that description) One of the things about how the C/O storyline is well done is that I could never hear them say ILU to each other and I'd be happy because I don't need to hear it as the actors & directors have done a good job at showing me that the two characters love one another [deeply] and that means more to me than hearing them say the words. So I finally got through both parts once people at work left me alone. Good stuff. I enjoyed both clips a lot. I only halfway got to hear the dialogue so I will have to turn to the sendspace versions when I get home so I can put the words with the actions. Bchick, I've thought all day about your response. I must color myself in the category of: those who need to hear these words. Tut mir leid, meine Freundin. Aber, gar nicht. I can't be sorry for wanting to see another man tell another man, 'I love you'. I think the real reason I need to see this, is for myself--not for the characters on VL. You see, it's very hard for a man to say these words----ok, ok, well, most men. I couldn't bring myself to say this to my last boyfriend---even though he did at nearly every meeting between us. I felt the same, but I couldn't make myself say those simple words. That's why I need to see and hear Christian say it. Perhaps, next time, it will give me the courage to say it, myself. heh Who knows? I hope you understand. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 4, 2008 0:40:34 GMT -5
Yeah, lot's of mystery around this attack.
Maybe the moron hid in the bathroom?
I can't help but place myself in this situation. What would I do? As Christian? I'm afraid, my friends, that I would lose it completely and take the law into my own hands, as we say here in the USA.
Sorry, that's just me heh
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 3, 2008 11:31:45 GMT -5
oh, seven14...no, my friend. I wasn't referring to you with that observation. Sorry about lack of clarity; I need more coffee here. In the past, we've had discussions about the 'intimate scenes' and whether they were done right, were too explicit or not enough, etc. Or, I should say, words to that effect. Generally, some folks liked the more explicit scenes and some preferred the more 'suggestive' scenes. I fall into the latter category, though I certainly don't mind viewing our guys however they are shown. I wouldn't click the 'stop' button heh heh heh. I see your point more clearly now. Yeah, he could probably be upstairs waiting. You didn't sound upset or personal, at all And, I agree: seeing them in similar scenes like Gregor and Rebecca recently enjoyed would be a Good Thing. A pause before anything else happens would be nice. Maybe they go back to the cabin alone (many have suggested this before) for a couple of days---where Olli's love for Christian first started. That would be very appropriate and logical, too. And, well, just cute Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 3, 2008 10:56:05 GMT -5
I don't know, I think the preview shows a logical progression of the story. There was certain to be a reaction from the homophobic, anti-gay faction---especially the idiot, Axel, since he got the beat-down from a Gay man. I still feel he's secretly turned-on by Christian and is jealous of Olli. I find the scenes with just closeness much more satisfying than blatant 'going-at-it' scenes. I can let my imagination fill in the blanks, as it were. Of course, others prefer a more clear demonstration...heh..ahem. To each, their own. But, really, there's not much more they can show that they haven't already. The guys kissing all over the place, the guys in bed, shirtless, the guys in the gym with only towels on, the guys in the apartment in boxers, etc. There have been plenty of scenes where no doubt is possible about the situation. Anything more and we'd be seeing something similar to Dante's Cove---and that would never make it on prime time, network television, not even in Germany, I suspect. ;D I don't find it strange for Christian to be alone in bed after all this. If he were my boyfriend and had gone through all this in a 48 hour period, you betcha I'd make sure he got rest and chill-time. Now, after the rest, well, heh---let's say we both would probably take a day off from work and not be seen by others all day ;D Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 2, 2008 0:25:50 GMT -5
Color my corner blue for Christian!
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:57:47 GMT -5
Great idea, Alde, but I want him to say it in the middle of No Limits right in front of Miriam! Yes, I'm ebil that way heh heh heh But, Bchick, your point is well taken: you can say the same thing by actions; sometimes, the words would just be unnecessary. I could imagine the scene when C says this and O, going, "Oh? but you always say this to me, Christian---with your eyes and your touch. I've known all along how you felt." Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:48:40 GMT -5
While, for me, the actions are clearly saying those 3 little words, I need to hear Christian say it. Yes, when the writers are ready, of course. I want him to say it at the right time and with all his normal, expected passion! Then, I'll be ok. Olli probably doesn't expect him to say it, but I would heh heh heh. Geoff Is their love for each other somehow lacking because Christian hasn't said it? Will their love mean more once Christian has said it to Olli? I mean is there doubt about how they feel for one another because Christian hasn't said the words? I guess it's different for everyone. For me, I don't need the words because they've shown me. Too often you get the words and nothing that actually shows the love between two characters. I'd rather not have the words and see it. I think Christian saying it won't change anything because their love for each other has been firmly established and shown. YMMV. No, of course their love will not be altered either way. I meant, he needs to be able to say it---for himself. You remember how his jaw clenched when trying to respond to Olli when Olli said it. And, I know very much, that he will mean it when he says it. It will be a great help to him to say it---but only if he means it. I hope the writers let him say it---but only when it seems right. If they don't, well, I'll get over it. We all know he feels this way, regardless Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:43:06 GMT -5
LOLA, argh!
You made me decide. Sorry, Alde, but I finally have to go with Thore/Christian---at least this week. ;D All his bitching, whining, cute, endearing, hurtful faces and his reigned-in jealousy carried the vote.
Olli comes in close second because he finally got up off that couch and went to help his guy out---finally! I could just hug him.
GT, you aren't alone about Gregor. Yeah, he's really, really nice looking---but I feel nothing for him. Well, maybe, I feel more like he's a brother, so I barely even notice when he keeps taking his shirt off. How many times has it been, btw, 5, 6 times in the last week? hehehehe.
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:27:45 GMT -5
We may want to see and hear Christian say "I love you" but the writers have their reasons for not having him say it yet. And when he does, we'll all say "Hallelujah!" and the angels will sing etc.... But they'll do it in their own time, not when we want it. So be patient. I also wouldn't set yourself up expecting big love scenes. People will only dissapoint themselves that way. They will show those types of scenes when they feel it works best. Are the words nice? Of course. Then again, saying it doesn't change anything, at least for me. *shrugs* But I am also not someone who feels that saying "I love you" is the only way to authenticate that you truly love someone. I think both guys have shown to the audience that they love one another, which means more, IMO, than simply saying it. I guess I am in the realm of actions speak louder than words. While, for me, the actions are clearly saying those 3 little words, I need to hear Christian say it. Yes, when the writers are ready, of course. I want him to say it at the right time and with all his normal, expected passion! Then, I'll be ok. Olli probably doesn't expect him to say it, but I would heh heh heh. Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:25:18 GMT -5
Btw, are you sure that Christian is really "out" now? Miriam wasn't there, and she's probably still clueless.. ;D You made me giggle, Aldebaran. And, you're right, that kiss, and his coming out for all to see like that, really was a wonderful way to make up with Olli. No wonder they were smiling like that! ;D ROFL! Alde, great one! ;D
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 16:22:18 GMT -5
Yeah, a lil on the cheesy side, but awesome Please tell me Christian beats the crap outta that moron sometime soon! I realize it's uncivilized of me, but I think it's time someone puts an ass-whippin on Axel. When I see him knock Olli down and plant his neanderthalic boot on his chest, I wanted to pick him up and throw him threw the nearest wall. grrrr Loved the kiss---so adorable for Christian to do that for Olli, for himself---for both of them. If I were there, I'd jump into the ring just to keep anyone from interfering or threatening them. heh Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 12:37:03 GMT -5
There was definitely more Ollian than ever before. I've just finished editing my clip and even without the Rebecca/Lydia catfight it's more than 14 minutes long. It's going to be a long night but who cares, it was a marvelous episode. *hugs Nanna* Nanna, thanks so much. And everyone else on the translation team! I could wish there were some way we could help you guys out with this tedious task. I know it's a labor of love for you guys, though Geoff
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Post by mgh48 on Aug 1, 2008 1:35:50 GMT -5
Brilliant episode! Thanks to the Awesome, Beautiful, Brave, Noble and Wise Translation Team!
I loved every minute of it. I see both sides of the argument---understand both, agree with both. Don't, however, agree with how each other handled their stress.
Christian is venting AT Olli, not about him. He feels secure enough with him that he feels he can tell his deepest fears and show his real feelings---the good and the bad. Notice that his entire demeanor changes when he's talking with Gregor---smiling, casual---everything is alright with the world and he quickly starts in on the Rebecca saga. It's all a front. He's not revealing his real feelings, he's doing a smoke-screen job. Christian needs to be able to rely on Olli to deal with his real feelings.
Olli: had every right to feel hurt and pissed-off. He knows how Christian is and obviously how he's feeling. He could've handled the blow-up much, much better. He could've taken charge, sat Chris down---made him drink water---and tell him to let out all his angst. He could've said: Hey, babe, don't worry about you and me---or our intimate encounters (or lack thereof). I know you can't deal with that right now. What do you need me to do? Yeah, I don't like your bitching at me for no reason, but I can deal with. He could've said something like this and definitely NOT gone running to Gregor to spill it all.
Of course, the entire situation has been building for months---it may have been far too late for rational thought on either side! heheheh I did love the drama, immature though it was on both sides.
I believe we are seeing a return of the firey, tigery Christian, at last! He's not going to stand for anyone coming between him and his love! I agree this fight was a good thing for the relationship---completely believable and normal. The look on Christian's face when he sees Olli chatting over drinks with that other guy! LOL. What a wake-up slap in the face! I've no doubt Olliver is just chatting with whoever that is.
I can't wait for tomorrow!
Thanks so much for this translation, everyone! I was able to follow a lot of it, myself---even the really fast parts. My German has improved so much thanks to you all!
Geoff
PS: almost forgot! Anyone else notice how much more 'buff' Thore is looking in this episode? Mein Gott! Ok, on the handsome scale, he's neck-and-neck with Jo for me, now (pun intended ;D)
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