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Post by sistertwist on May 2, 2012 10:23:06 GMT -5
I was reading producer Emma twitter. She says that Brendan will at least try to change. That's good enough for me. I hope he doesn't change too much. I think he is best when he's bad.
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Post by sistertwist on May 2, 2012 7:29:20 GMT -5
So, why did he beat Ste after everyone knew about their affair IF you still think he beat him because he couldn't accept his sexuality? Your belief in that also contradicts your belief that Brendan has accepted his sexuality. He still beat up Ste in the end. Personally I think he beat him up for sleeping with Noah, but the writers were terribly lax in giving that thumping an understandable context.
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Post by sistertwist on Apr 29, 2012 21:20:40 GMT -5
I am liking the storyline so far. And it's great to see that alot of people start their relationship when they are friends with each other. And they are like the underdogs together, seeking ways to live their lives successfully. They have the drive together and they complement each other well. This is why I love Stug. They no longer try to outshine or outdo each other, but stay supportive of each other, which is something very important in all relationships. So very true! Ste needs a friend more than a lover at this point (imo) but it is nice that it seems he will be getting both.
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Post by sistertwist on Apr 27, 2012 9:35:49 GMT -5
Wow...HOL cast another character of color (a male one at that) on the show. Oh, Brendan's protecting his new boytoy. I don't think Brendan is protecting Joel as much as he is setting him up for a fall. The whole Joel arc (imo) revolves around Brendan trying to get rid of him. After seducing him into caring about what he thinks the madman is provoking him. Brendan knew when he left for Barcelona Joel would pull the stunt like he did, giving him good reason to cut him loose in order to manipulate Joel into proving him wrong with some over the top scheme that Brendan won't be directly involved with or traced back to. Brendan doesn't want Joel, he wants the club. At least that is how I see it. It's the same push/pull technique he used with Ste, but with a different goal in mind. Brendan always breaks out the Dad comparisons when he wants to wind Joel up tight. I may be wrong, but it seems to me that is the direction the story line is going.
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Post by sistertwist on Apr 25, 2012 15:28:24 GMT -5
I think there are many viewers/fans hoping that Ste is still drawn and attracted towards Brendan, even though he knows that Brendan hasn't tried to seek help for his manipulative and abusive ways towards the young men he states he loves. Regardless of how Doug takes into consideration of Ste's feelings, the sexually chemistry won't be there for them to enjoy and not focus on the dysfunctional mess that had always been Stendan. Craig was a manipulative bastard IMO. Btw - Craig was never as abusive towards JP as Brendan is towards Ste, but he did use how JP and Sarah felt about him to keep them from moving on from him. I agree with you wholeheartedly here. Just had to say, since it is such a rare thing. (esp. about Craig)
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Post by sistertwist on Jan 3, 2012 8:51:05 GMT -5
I don't think Brendan is uninterested in Ste, just pissed,hurt, and disappointed that he didn't stand by him when he was accused of being a serial killer. I think their last scene together showed that Brendan is still quite in love with the lad, and it pains and annoys him to have him around. I also could be deluding myself in attempt to shake myself of the blues that have settled over me with the current turn of events.
I don't think they should be "together" yet, but I desperately want them to share the screen. Ah well.
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Post by sistertwist on Sept 3, 2011 18:57:05 GMT -5
It's probably Ste telling Brendan what Rae said that Declan heard. Maybe Ste is hoping if he tells Brendan, that maybe he can stop Brendan to a point from going after Rae. And it's better that Brendan hears it from Ste instead of someone else what Rae said, so he can prepare for Declan's questions. That was my guess as well. I am glad Stephen (so far) has left it to Brendan to tell Declan (or not) despite everything that has happened.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 13, 2011 23:28:44 GMT -5
I also loved the reaction of Steven:calm and collected and assured. I mentioned before that although they love and desire each other they don't respect each other. Remember how Brendan called him weak. (snip) Such a good observation. Brendan almost always calls Stephen weak in some way or another when he takes him back. I have lost count of the times. I think Brendan is projecting his own self loathing onto the object of his desire. Brendan thinks himself weak for not being able to overcome his desire for Ste, but it's so much easier to call Stephen the weak one when he finally gives in. Another poster awhile back pointed out that Brendan loves the game more than he loves Stephen and I think to a degree that is true. I do think Brendan loves Stephen, but it seems to me a big part of the charge Brendan gets from the relationship is getting Ste to submit to his will, and every time the lad caves Brendan loses respect for him. I think that was part of the reason i was so blown away when Brendan chased after Stephen saying "I don't want you leaving like this!" Since when has Brendan cared if Stephen was mad at him? In the past Stephen's anger was just an entertaining obstacle to navigate with a bit of sex appeal and manipulation. I think the old Brendan would have simply let Ste run off and then deal with him later, trusting in his manipulative moustache power to set things right when it was convenient. It's a tiny bit of progress, but i will take what i can get. (despite all the backsliding)
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 8, 2011 3:09:19 GMT -5
Is anyone else a fan of the Mirage of Blaze series or Haru wo Daiteita?
I really enjoyed those two titles since they break out of the typical uke/seme mold while still staying in the yaoi ballpark. I don't mind the stereotypes overall since i am a fan of the genre, but i find stories with something closer to a seme/seme pairing more satisfying.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 7, 2011 20:13:03 GMT -5
I have seen the photo of Brendan and Declan in the park. I think this is after Declan sees him thumping Stephen. I really wonder how on earth he is going to explain that. I think in reality Declan would go home as quickly as possible. I am still hopeful that the character of Callum ( the man Ste met at the young offenders will turn up). If the producers could this time make sure the actor could act and had chemistry with Emmett and Kieron. It would be so good to see someone who could give Brendan a real battle and give Stephen a real alternative. They cannot continually go round in circles. Stephen keeps giving him last chances: I really hope this time he does go to the police. I think with the Silas/Lynsey/Brendan mix that perhaps he will. I definitely think Silas will set him up. I read that Jeff Rawle told someone that the character will be around for a while yet. As to Brendan he made a decision that although he loves Stephen he could not enter into an 'out' relationship. It was interesting to see him refer to his feelings as his 'demons' and that he was fighting them. There is no doubt that Eileen would try and prevent him seeing his kids. Although legally I don't think she could; she could make the situation very difficult. As we see from the spoilers he is going to try and go 'straight' again for his children. However, he must know by now that he is a man who cannot pretend and the same pattern of secrecy and lies would be the result. He would again run away from any marriage and his kids would suffer again. So many good points. after seeing the dad he hardly knows beating the crap out of someone it seems the first thing Declan would do would be call his Mom and that would be the end of that visit. I thought for sure Callum would be showing up sometime too, especially since he was given an actual name. I think Matt Kennedy, the fella that played Sean could have been a fine candidate for Callum, despite the fact he looks so much like Kieron. To me it seems like it is Brendan's feelings about his feelings that are the real demons for the madman. I don't think he will ever identify as gay, just as a fella that sleeps with fellas, but I hope I'm wrong. I hope Stephen goes to the police too, but i wish he wouldn't make it a "if you don't do this i will do this" sort of arrangement since it is a page right out of Brendan's book. I was infuriated a few days ago about the spoilers.. the new beating, the attempts at going straight, but after brooding on it for days i realize people really are creatures of habit and it is not unrealistic for Brendan to knee jerk back into old behaviors, no matter how frustrating it is to me and the other fans. Addicts seldom quit and stay sober the first, second or even third time they try to straighten themselves out. Real change takes real time, and I admit I am forced to admire the writers a bit for sticking with the nature of Brendan's character. It's gives the story some integrity, and change (if and when it comes) true worth.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 5, 2011 20:03:01 GMT -5
I agree about Brendan needing to get to know Declan. You can tell he is unsure about how to be a proper parent to this kid he hardly knows. Stephen has far more experience with the hands on of being a Dad. You got me thinking about both Ste and Brendan as Dads. I think Brendan is jealous that Amy is so understanding, accepting, and proud that Ste is out and proud. That Ste being gay and being open about his sexuality hasn't put a hindrance on him being a great Dad. That Leah and Lucas simply adore Ste and the feelings are mutual. While Brendan is so afraid of his sexuality that he holds so much back from the boys. That they don't know the real him, not really. He fled from Ireland, so no one would find out about Macca. Then he came to Hollyoaks and fell in love with Ste and settle in a home with Cheryl. I think Brendan still blames his sexuality for one of the reasons he can't see his sons more. When Ste came out, Amy was brilliant, she was a great friend supportive and loving. She didn't treat him any different, and she didn't take away Leah and Lucas. Ste has the love and support of Amy and the kids. He gets to see his kids every day and spend loads of time with them. Amy and Ste may not have a lot of money, but their family is full of laughter, love, and they are a close unit. When Eileen found out, she freaked and the thought of the man she known for so long and share a bed with could be interested in men. Maybe a part of her was still holding out hope that Brendan would come back. Maybe not to the marriage (I don't think after he cheated on her did she want him back), but back to Ireland and they would raise the kids together. The mere idea that Brendan might be in love with Ste seem to disgust and scare her at the same time. She looked at Brendan like he had been contaminated by some deadly disease. She went to the extreme right away demanding that Ste be remove from the club and telling Brendan she was going to take away the boys. What kind of mother does that? Brendan has many faults, but from what I have seen he's been a good and loving Dad to those boys. When Declan was sick, Brendan did everything he could to come through with the money. She knows how much Brendan loves his children and to use them as a weapon against him is just disgusting. Brendan barely sees his boys and didn't even know what cereal that Declan ate or the fact that he didn't eat meat. I think to Brendan, that Ste might represent everything that Brendan wants very very deep down. A man who doesn't hide behind a bunch of secrets. Who has a loving family that accepts and loves him for who he really is. Being able to be a great Dad and a big part of his kids lives. To be fair to Ste, Brendan was an idiot and didn't tell him about Eileen threatening to take the boys away. I think in the span of time with Noah and Brendan that it was just the straw that broke the camels back and Ste snapped. If he had know the whole story I think Ste might have been more understanding, he would go crazy if Amy took away Leah and Lucas. And I don't know if it's mean of me, but after all the pain Brendan cause. It's kinda nice seeing Brendan see the karmic results of his actions. You know what you send out into the universe comes back three times fold. I think I can understand both sides, it's just frustrating being a year into this and Brendan ends up nearly at square one again. It's the nature of soaps, so i shouldn't let it get me down. Luckily there have been quite a few posts that have helped me to remember how far we have come. I won't give up on the double B, but I will have to vent from time to time:) I am hoping sometime in the far future Ste can help Brendan build his relationship with his kids. At the very least the boys will have someone to play xbox with. And I must say how fit Ste is looking these days. A tan really suits him and judging by his arms it seems like he has been training a bit himself. I wonder if Brendan and Stephen could ever get to a point where they could actually run together and workout and such. it would be nice to see some vaguely normal interactions between the two of them. I have hope that Eileen will actually change her point of view on the whole gay thing. I swear it seemed as if she knew the whole story (or at least the gay part) way back when she showed up looking for money for Declan's Doc. I remember her being okay with Brendan saying she cheated on -him- rather than bringing up what really happened. Why in the heck would she be like that if she had thought he had simply cheated on her with another woman? Doesn't make sense to me. Oh well. it's soapland.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 5, 2011 6:31:09 GMT -5
I agree about Brendan needing to get to know Declan. You can tell he is unsure about how to be a proper parent to this kid he hardly knows. Stephen has far more experience with the hands on of being a Dad.
I wish Stephen had been slightly more understanding about Eileen and Declan. I know the writers need to have a reason to keep them apart, but I really wish it wasn't Eileen. It's kind of painful seeing Brendan so pussy whipped.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 4, 2011 10:20:14 GMT -5
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 3, 2011 17:36:58 GMT -5
I am not looking forward to Brendan acting like an idiot, but a part of me will still be happy watching Emmett portray it.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 2, 2011 17:36:20 GMT -5
Arg the spoilers... the beard thing again? really? i want to slap him.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 2, 2011 11:52:16 GMT -5
I agree, but i think it is more than that. it's those hints of humanity that (I think) give depth to his appeal. But Shakespeare -is- everywhere! Truesay, the bard definitely gets about. And he does show some glimpses of humanity, but they're often in contrast to just how monstrous he can be. Not that I've become a hater or anything. But I will admit to finding good Brendan more unnerving than evil Brendan. It's not a question of if he will turn but when. And how bad will it be this time? A transformation would be marvellous, but would it last and for how long? He's a high functioning, intelligent, adult male fully aware of the things wrong with him. Brendan rarely looses control and I don't think it's a coincidence that the last time he truly did, someone ended up dead. Beating up Ste was always a calculated act. I'm just of the opinion that Brendan Brady is a creature of appetite and Ste Hay is a creature of emotion. They feed off one another's instability. Ste helps Brendan feel human again: Brendan helps Ste's hunger for life and experience. They're in the process of drawing one another out but it's an unhealthy combination because it takes both far out of their comfort zones, which is why the need to retaliate is so massive. The common ground exists, fatherhood, abandonment, tough upbringings, more than one excursion into crime. But the differences, the fact that they'll never be on the same page for more than a minute suggest something a bit more dangerous lurking in the background. I like your analogy very much and can't help but agree.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 2, 2011 10:39:26 GMT -5
I think Brendan is popular because he says what the audience are thinking a lot of the time and is usually a foil to all the other storylines going on around him. Such as that amazing sequence when he sung womanizer to Ethan or all the ways he makes fun of Warren's so-called villainy. Pointing out the absurdity of anyone dating a man known to have murdered his wife. Just as we're aware that Brendan is totally absurd as well, for being able to note those things as an amused outsider. I agree, but i think it is more than that. it's those hints of humanity that (I think) give depth to his appeal. Maybe I'm just saying this because I'm praying for Emmett Scanlan to take to the stage when he's done with Hollyoaks. As Richard III obviously. The anti-hero is one of my favourite archetypes and the more I see him grow into this role, the more classical he seems to become. Not predictable, as such, but his performances are always extremely intelligent. Or maybe I should just stop seeing Shakespeare everywhere.... But Shakespeare -is- everywhere!
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 2, 2011 9:03:28 GMT -5
Also, did no one else see how confused and hurt Ste looked during the whole conversation inside Brendan's place (before viewers were 'rewarded' with a sex scene)? He's not only confused and hurt over his feelings about Brendan. IMO, he still doesn't completely trust Brendan and UNTIL he lets his mind rule over his heart and his libido, he'll never be out of the confusion and hurt he's allowing himself to wallow in. Deep down he knows that Brendan's going to screw him over again (and NOT just sexually), YET he doesn't want to face it, because then that'll mean he's GOT to really take back control of his life FROM Brendan. He doesn't want to do that, because he's still hoping that Brendan's going to change and be the Brendan that he wants. I don't see that as 'naive' or 'young'. I see that as wanting to believe in something OR someone, because it'll somehow justify WHY you but up with all that bullshit in the first place and thank you, Zathras for making the important point that the 'earning of trust' is fully on Brendan's shoulders. I was fluxmoxed when I heard him say that Ste had to 'learn how to trust him' But, I'm not a Stendan fan, so I wasn't blinded by all the fleshed displayed to NOT be shocked by those words. I agree with all of this. My favourite moment of the episode was just before they kissed and Ste shook his head a little, as though he knew he would regret it. The flesh was rocking, don't get me wrong (although Brendan could do with being hosed down with fake tan as well) but it did throw me a bit. Btw, perhaps I've read too much Shakespeare, but did Brendan's pleading to make Ste stay remind anyone else of Richard III? The scene where he seduces Lady Anne into marrying him, over the body of the husband he murdered in battle? She starts by loathing him, and ends by agreeing to marriage. It's an incredible piece of rhetoric and the techniques employed by one old anti-hero and the modern version are almost identical. Richard III always ups the stakes. If one thing doesn't work, he'll do something more extreme to ensure he gets what he wants and this story has always struck me by its cycles of escalation. It seems to go nowhere, backwards, forwards, someone changing a little, then going back to how they were before but each time it gets worse. I've never really seen Ste as a conventional victim, nor as especially weak. Many complained for a long time that his point of view had been neglected but I think the last few episodes have done a good job at re-asserting what he thinks about everything. Especially how he feels about Brendan. Those lovely couple of lines "I can't see straight when I'm with him. But I can't see anything without him." and "I want to kiss him but I want to kill him" (done from memory so feel free to correct) really appealed to the anti-romantic in me. The thing about Richard III is that it's when he has what he wants that he looses control. In the pursuit of power he's the smoothest operator known to man, he can outwit, out-smart anyone. But the moment he has the crown, all his demons close in. The same is true of Brendan. Each step he takes to attaining what he wants, paradoxically create a loss. His main goal has always been to control Ste. Bullying didn't work, beating didn't work, emotional blackmail didn't work, sex didn't work. So he's left with honesty and that hasn't worked either. In seeking Ste, he's had to give away everything, because Ste has made him work for it, so what he has isn't what he wanted. Which is why the upcoming part of the story isn't remotely surprising. Richard III is a tragedy, of sorts, but it's a play that needs an ending. It's a case of whether or not this marks a turning point, or if the wheels of tragedy keep turning and Brendan finds himself alone, dying on a battlefield, as his enemies close in. I can see the artfulness in your analogy--with Brendan's loathing of his sexuality filling in for Richard's bitterness over his deformity, but Brendan is no Richard the Third. It is completely feasible that the story could go that way, (might have been going that way before Emmett's extension) but Brendan has killed only one person (for fairly justifiable reasons) and accidentally maimed a friend. Small potatoes on a Shakespearean scale since Richard racks up something like 9 murders including a few friends and family members. Plus Richard has no love of Anne. She is a means to an end that he discards. That is not the obsessive possessiveness we see between Brendan and Ste. I am hoping Brendan's story follows more in the footsteps of Valmont's from Dangerous Liasons, but I am an optimist. I am hoping for a transformation story and not a complete tragedy. I do admit the fatalist view is completely valid, and the funny thing is both our analogies have the madman dead in the end, just for different reasons.
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Post by sistertwist on Aug 2, 2011 0:36:58 GMT -5
(snip) I'm not sure what your distinction is between "backed into a corner" and "desperate" but I can understand a preference for one word over another. In my mind, "backed into a corner" means that there are no other options, whereas "desperate" implies more of an emotional state (usually one of high emotion and not so much rational thought). You can be desperate but still have multiple options (though, perhaps, none of them perceived to be good).
Lastly ... half-naked guys running around the village ... Excellent explainantion and I agree with you. and yes yes yes.. I loved the two of them half naked fighting in the streets like an old married couple. I wish Ste would horse kick doors more often as well. ;D
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 19:43:56 GMT -5
Ugh. This really frustrates me. Not so much because Brendan beats Ste again (although that really bothers me), but Ste's apparent reaction. The bits of the spoiler that say "enough is enough" about the violence are just stupid. Wasn't the last time enough? Or the time he ended up in the hospital? Just my opinion, but Ste keeps coming off as very weak. He may be drawn to Brendan, but he knows what being with Brendan means. Did he learn nothing from his relationship with Noah? Sigh, hopefully it plays out on screen better than the spoiler suggests. I think we need to cut the lad a little slack. Love makes fools of us all, and personally i think Ste still feels deep down he still deserves it so it makes it even harder for him to break free. Unfortunately it seems the only thing he learned from Noah is that men cheat and can't be trusted. Having Declan see the abuse i think will be key. Ste changed for his kids, and it seems the proper catalyst for Brendan as well. Seeing the horror in his own son's eyes might go deep enough, or it might just push him over the edge. I am looking forward to seeing how it all plays out.
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 19:20:40 GMT -5
Yes, I'm glad that I'm a 'silly thing'. I prefer that than coming up with scenarios that take away Brendan beating up Ste or believing that he should 'learn how to trust' his manipulative, abusive and still self-hating man who he's sex with, whenever he's not being hit or manipulated by him. Yay, Stendan. Lost me with the argument on me hating this domestic abuse storyline to anti-gay marriage bigots. So, since I'm against wanting to see an abuse victim staying with his abuser, I'm anti gay?! Hilarious. Indeed hilarious. Thanks for the grin. I can always count on you.
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 19:18:39 GMT -5
Alright, take a step back and a deep breath. There's no need to get worked up over this. To me it seemed like he was backed into a corner and had to use his very last trick which in this case was the truth. I don't think Brendan was backed into a corner. I think he got desperate and said what he thought Ste wanted to hear. I'm still not convinced that he actually loves Ste. He may care, but it's only in his own sick, twisted way. Either way, it's very hard to read through his facade to figure out what's really going on inside his head. To be honest, I don't think that's really a worthwhile distinction. Brendan has to earn Ste's trust. I went back and watched that bit again, and I was struck by the way he said it. It came across as a command, and not as a plea (especially given Ste's reaction). Well, I agree that Ste would have a better chance of not getting his heart broken if he goes into it with his eyes wide open about who Brendan is (and never forget it). But I really don't think that's what Brendan meant when he asked Ste to trust him. Also, if these same folks believe that Brendan's "growing to respect" Ste, why does he continue to use manipulation on him to be in his life? Because Brendan doesn't know any other way to behave and deal with those around him. It's reflexive. It makes him feel like he's in control. I suppose he's desperately afraid of not being in control of every situation (for reasons that have never really been explained). Absolutely right. There really isn't a need to get worked up over a soap plot, though at times easier said than done. I'm not sure what your distinction is between "backed into a corner" and "desperate" but I can understand a preference for one word over another. I think Brendan does love Stephen, but it is still a selfish love rather than a selfless love, but we can agree to disagree as always, yes? Only Emmett and maybe the writers know what Brendan meant with the read on "you are going to have to learn how to trust me" and i think your take is just as valid. I do tend to go deeper than what is really being presented. Brendan has always amused me with his veiled truths and half truths (and outright truths he tells to the wrong people) and I might give him more credit than his due at times. And i think you are completely right about Brendan's need to control. That is why his love remains a selfish one. You have to give yourself over to love and that is going to be a hard sell to the double B.
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 18:47:05 GMT -5
So, if Ste wanted a gun pointed to his head by, Brendan (as this whole entire 'relationship' is) I'm not supposed to be shocked by it negatively? Or, see it as dysfunctional OR be disturbed by how it's supposedly seen as 'epicly romantic'? See it any way you like to, silly thing. That is the point. Every one brings their own personal experiences and expectations to the story. You seem to be hung up on what you see as right and wrong and need people to agree with you. Some people will and some people won't. At this point I am not sure why you still watch except maybe so you can complain, but that is valid as well. it reminds me of the anti gay marriage people that just can't stand the idea of same sex marriage even though is doesn't effect them one single bit. You seem to be outraged by the very idea that people can enjoy this storyline when you can't. To me that seems like a lot of wasted energy but to each his own.
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 18:32:54 GMT -5
sad but not surprising. it would be a wonderful thing if Ste not only went to the police, but was also inspired to take a self defense class. I would love to see Brendan taking a swing at Ste and end up flipped helplessly onto his back. Even the most basic of classes would give Ste some much needed self confidence, and Kieron is obviously very athletic to begin with and could handle it elegantly.
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Post by sistertwist on Jul 31, 2011 8:29:20 GMT -5
Yes, some people who profess to love one another may use manipulation from time to time, but not along with putting them in the hospital, not as their default (only way they know how to behave in a relationship) OR thinking of them as "their possession". My objection is that some folks think that this is some great and epic romanice, when all I see is obsessive, possessive, dysfunctional manipulation and abuse between two characters that are going to destry each other in the end. Yes, it's entertaining, but it's the complete opposite of romance and all of this talk about Ste "learning how to be" with Brendan is still an excuse to justify why some fans want Stendan to be successful. How is Ste "learning how to be" with a man who sees him as "his possession" supposed to be a good thing for Ste, his kids and even Brendan? Ste's kids are young, but kids learn by examples. Everyone was so damn put off by Noah and his distaste for Ste's kids, yet those kids are going to see their father, involved with a man, who uses manipulation as a way to "control", do 'what's best' and basically keep him under Brendan's thumb. Also, if these same folks believe that Brendan's "growing to respect" Ste, why does he continue to use manipulation on him to be in his life? Their "relationship", which isn't one at all. It's mainly scenes of Ste constantly keeping himself around Brendan (still working for the guy who abused him so badly that he had to be put in the hospital and lie about it), their sexual desire overriding common sense on both their parts and manipulation. Yet, this is an epic romance that needs to defy the dysfunctional, manipulative and abusive complications that Ste AND Brendan put in each others way. Of course, now folks are going to bitch about more "plot devices" being thrown into the Journey of Stendan, but it's Ste and Brendan that are each others (and Stendan's) worst enemies. Maybe that's why Kieron mentioned in one of his recent interviews about wanting to do scenes of "domesticity" between Ste and Brendan, so that it can show WHY Ste's so into Brendan in the first place. All I see is dysunctional obsession between thosse two characters, so I'm not joining in to cheer that "Yea!! Stendan are back." You see it one way other people see it another. I honestly don't see the need to object. Why do you care if someone else sees it as an epic romance?
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