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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 25, 2010 16:55:56 GMT -5
If we look at The Food Critic Affair (and the top of the next ep.), we see a set-up of this dynamic ....Then I saw that when he cuddled up to Olli and suggested they slip into something more invigorating, Olli's attempt to fend off Weidner with "But I have plans with Christian" was ineffective because as far a Weidner knew, Christian was just an employee because that's how Olli identified him. Do you think it would have made a difference if Olli had said "I have plans with my boyfriend" without naming names? To Weidner? Maybe. But, probably not. I don't know. What's interesting to me is that the ambiguity was created by Olli separating himself from Christian during the introductions. What would have made a difference is if Olli had said, "I have plans with Christian" then stood up, shook Weidner's hand and moved away instead of just sitting there and letting Weidner paw at him. I think the same is true with Rob. It was nice to see Olli get a little more stern with Rob in this episode, though I thought the same thing when Olli pushed Rob off his lips. Unfortunately, afterwards, Olli went back to sending Rob mixed messages that even a fairly decent guy could misinterpret.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 25, 2010 17:06:41 GMT -5
*sigh* nevermind
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Post by SF on Apr 25, 2010 18:12:03 GMT -5
yeah there, at 0.44 when he stalls. he was gonna say something but changed his mind - and honestly what else did he have to say? and at 1.26 he told christian that rob likes him, which is pretty much all the information EXCEPT the kiss, which would only hurt christian - in a weird way i think olli thinks he's being honest and conceding to christian. and again at 2.23, he agreed that rob hit on him! if christian had asked "he kissed you didn't he" - i really doubt olli would have gone "no, he hit on me". so there again he was telling a censored version of the truth to spare christian's feelings. like he tells christian, he doesn't need to worry "Because I love only you." and he does. that's not a lie. christian doesn't need to worry. same as olli 'doesn't need to worry' about chribecca (pfft - cept he does, in my head ;D ). because they love eachother. but christian, again, makes the choice to MAKE rob a real threat, by pitting him *against* the relationship - when olli only sees the business contact. it is ALL in christian's head - as far as olli effing rob blind behind the bar at NLs as soon as his back is turned goes. if it was the drugs issue people had a problem with, the writers had a problem with, christian had a primary problem with - then i'd be like - fair enough. but it's not. everyone's ragging on olli cos of all the rob trouble. but i cannot see how this is olli's fault. in the crazy land of soap, there aren't countless rob's or wolle's waiting on every street corner. for some reason opportunities only crop up once. rob is effectively, in crazy soap world, olli's *only* chance to make NLs successful. the writers aren't gonna invent a decent, uninteresting, honest party dealer to come replace him soon. so olli has to work with him. he cannot help the fact rob wants him. he cannot help the fact robs a bastard. and he cannot save christian's pride/feelings without losing his NLs opportunity. i think it's unfair to ask him to. so he's dealing with the situation as best he can. protecting christian from his own rage and jealousy. he's not doing it out of spite. it may be misguided cos the truth always outs especially in soap (unless you're poor cement-covered olivia), but it's NOT HIS FAULT!! i can see olli's POV. if someone your partner HATED kissed you and you pushed them off, and thought nothing of it, had no plans to move on anytime soon, would you upset your partner more than you had to?! especially if your partner was blind-with-rage-and-jealousy christian mann?!?
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Post by brownsugar on Apr 25, 2010 22:19:09 GMT -5
^ Take a look at the ep where Christian pushes Rob back into the plush chair. I'm going to get flamed for saying this...but i think olli gets a little kick out of jealous christian...there was something in his face at that moment that was a really interesting combination of affronted, worshipful, angry and turned on. .... thunderkat...I can honestly say I've been in Olli's position and it is awful. To have a boyfriend that is so jealous is terrible to have to deal with. What maybe cute at the beginning of the relationship isn't so cute after a few months. That constant jealousy at even a mere glance from another guy is extremely annoying. Eventually you just have to get the hell out the relationship. And because this person I was with was considered by many to be very attractive, folks couldn't get their heads around me dumping him. I told them they could have his sorry ass, with pleasure. There were plenty of other attractive men out there who didn't act so mental. When someone is so jealous, the way they look on the outside becomes very unattractive. Christian's behavior in these last few episodes, especially this one in particular, is bordering on psychotic behavior and making him look very unattractive. His jealousy is so over powering that he couldn't even leave the flat to go to his daily job. I'm not giving Olli a free pass, but Christian acted like a man who has lost control of his emotions. And I think Olli did the right thing asking him, in a subdued manner, to leave the flat and go to work has planned. Hell, Christian just insulted his boyfriend about wearing make up, and earlier on told Olli how his job at NL isn't a 'real job' since it's just about 'shining glasses.' Olli has not been flirting with Rob in front of Christian. And he has made it clear to Rob that he stands no chance with him. It's just Christian can't get past how Rob said he would like to get in Olli's pants. Rob is the one in control of the situations regarding Olli and Christian. Although Christian he is playing like a fiddle. It doesn't surprise me that Christian left the flat since he always runs away for a day or so to clear his head. Remember when he went away for a couple of days with his brother during his heart condition without telling Olli. Olli was sick with worry. God knows how Christian would have reacted if Olli had pulled such a move. At the end of Friday's episode Olli cried because he is so scared that he is loosing Christian. I've never seen Olli cry like that. It was terribly sad to see. This was a terrific episode. And the acting by Jo, Thore and Max continues to be excellent. I cannot wait for tomorrow's episode.
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Post by irinobabe on Apr 25, 2010 22:51:24 GMT -5
everyone's ragging on olli cos of all the rob trouble. but i cannot see how this is olli's fault. in the crazy land of soap, there aren't countless rob's or wolle's waiting on every street corner. for some reason opportunities only crop up once. rob is effectively, in crazy soap world, olli's *only* chance to make NLs successful. the writers aren't gonna invent a decent, uninteresting, honest party dealer to come replace him soon. so olli has to work with him. he cannot help the fact rob wants him. he cannot help the fact robs a bastard. and he cannot save christian's pride/feelings without losing his NLs opportunity. i think it's unfair to ask him to. so he's dealing with the situation as best he can. protecting christian from his own rage and jealousy. he's not doing it out of spite. it may be misguided cos the truth always outs especially in soap (unless you're poor cement-covered olivia), but it's NOT HIS FAULT!! i can see olli's POV. if someone your partner HATED kissed you and you pushed them off, and thought nothing of it, had no plans to move on anytime soon, would you upset your partner more than you had to?! especially if your partner was blind-with-rage-and-jealousy christian mann?!? But why does Olli have to put himself in the position where Christian can doubt? If he says there's nothing to worry about, and yet he gets drunk with Rob, stays out all night, has breakfast with him while he could have gone upstairs to Christian...why do that? Why not tell Rob to go to the damn bathroom and look at that something in his eye, and not do it in the middle of the bar? (gotta love soaps). It's one thing to SAY there's nothing to worry about; it's another to give all the signals to the contrary. As had been stated by others before, Olli needs to set clear boundaries, with Rob-do NOT invite him to your home when your partner is not there. Do NOT party all night and get drunk and not call. Do NOT let him kiss and hug you, even if it's not on the lips ( ). Do NOT let him touch your knee, your shoulder, or any part of you because you already know he wants in your pants. And what I have stated before: after all that Rob has done and said to Christian, it's not all in his head. He has a right to be concerned; he has a right to be angry, and he cannot be expected to just accept Rob in Olli's life and be humiliated and put down constantly to his face and in front of Olli. No, Olli can't help that Rob's an asshat. He can't help that Rob's the key to his dream. However, he can set boundaries and be more wary of Rob's character, as well as have more confidence in his own abilities than having to cowtow to such a person. Rob says jump and Olli says how high. That's rather frightening for anyone's partner, no matter how much you want to trust him. I think Christian was right in needing a break. He's tired of running into a brick wall. But on Christian's end, if he can salvage any part of the relationship, he needs to: -stop confiding in Rebecca -take a deep breath before saying anything to Olli, even though everything he's been saying has been true -find more friends -set up surveillance cameras in No Limits -start secretly taping random conversations -use friends to set up a sting operation to catch Rob red-handed in drug dealing -use friends to tempt and bed Rob so he's too exhausted to pursue Olli (that's for you thunderkat. Go crazy on the fan fic )
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 25, 2010 23:00:35 GMT -5
We,- I- can agree that Christian's jealousy borders on dangerously hot I know that food critic won't be coming back into NL ANY time soon. But Rob's intentions are possibly more dangerous than Christian's jealousy ever could be. I agree, however, that Christian...poor christian... is simply graceless in his protestations and ends up making more problems for himself and falling into robert's manipulations like a complete rube. Yep. he's totally getting played. Re: Chrissie running away, I was talking to someone else about this, but i think this is the inherent dynamic of christian and olli's relationship, Christian runs, olli pursues, christian locks himself behind a door, olli forces it open (emotionally and physically) but to do this Olli has to be paying attention and he hasn't been...or at least, Christian perceives he hasn't been. I mean, it's got to be pretty bad when Christian Mann has to tell you someone has a crush on you. CHRISTIAN?? when does he ever know if someone have a crush?! Coco? nope Olli?Nope REBECCA?!! NOOOOO - much to our collective chagrin.
At any rate i'll be looking forward to monday as well and SPOILERcounting down to friday...
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Post by ivaniv on Apr 25, 2010 23:26:22 GMT -5
So Olli almost told Christian right after, that surely must count for more than Christian telling him for real, but much later ;D I won a lottery, almost.
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Post by silverkitsune33 on Apr 25, 2010 23:30:14 GMT -5
Christian's temper was one thing when he was terrified of a homophobic neanderthal with arms like tree trunks threatening people he loved (Olli, Judith, Gregor) with physical harm...it's something else when it explodes out over people flirting with his bf.
I've got a friend with a bf that gets too jealous, and reacts with a bad/violent temper when other guys hit on her even though if he just backed off she could very quietly handle it. It's not hot when he takes a swing at people. It's frightening, and then it's irritating because you have to worry about getting kicked out of wherever you are and or the law showing up.
Most of the time I take Christian's temper as nothing but hot air, but every once and a while it earns an eyebrow raise from me.
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Post by ivaniv on Apr 25, 2010 23:36:45 GMT -5
Oh well, now they will both get more space, let's see how it goes.
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 25, 2010 23:37:48 GMT -5
But why does Olli have to put himself in the position where Christian can doubt? What would be a suitable position for Olli where Christian won't doubt Rob the scum? Yup, both of them need to outline what are the suitable outlines of a boundary. Not just Olli. Olli's character is inherently way more open than Christian's. What might be "no big deal" to Olli is probably a "very big deal" to Christian. Thus, they need to communicate, together, boundaries. It's not all up to Olli to define that. With the food critic episode, Christian later apologized to Olli and said he over-reacted. That would have been a perfect opportunity for them to figure out boundaries to curb jealousy in a relationship. However, as it's a 20 some minutes soap, we're not gonna get long after-school special "talking out" moments. And...as such, the audience can only assume that boundary setting was not done. For my relationship, there's a simple rule: don't do anything with someone that you would not be comfortable doing if your partner was present to witness. Given this: Agreed. Wrong move on Olli's part, esp. the not calling when you told your bf you wouldn't be too long. Really? That's something you would have issue doing to someone in front of your current partner? Puritan-a-way! ;D Again, really? Why? If it's the kiss/hug that led to Christian pushing Rob into the chair, again, really? Even Olli finds that ridiculous a boundary. A knee slap and a shoulder clap.....really? Agreed. Christian has a right to be concerned given what Rob the scum told him. I just find it highly odd that Christian's focus, after the two crucial pieces of info that Rob told him (a, he's going to deal drugs in NL and he'll take Olli & NL down with him if Christian tries to interfere, b, he wants to get into Olli's pants)...that Christian's main issue is B!!! Really?! Someone wants to destroy my partner's business and involve him in criminal activity, and wants to have sex with him, if I trust my partner's promise of fidelity to me, hell, even if I don't, all that would take a backseat to the more imminent threat of CRIMINAL ACTIVITY! I really wanted to root for Christian when he stuck around the apartment, but, was later kicked out by Olli, *if* his fear stemmed from keeping a watch on a drug dealer who is now in your home with your boyfriend! Christian's issue was not that at all, as he later unburdened to Rebecca. His main worry was that Rob was in his apartment with his boyfriend and was probably trying to kiss him again!What the....? This cemented the angle that Christian was being led by jealousy more than his fear of Rob the criminal. Christian, my boy, wrong priorities! Jealousy says jump and Christian says how far. That's rather frightening for anyone's partner, no matter how much you want to trust him.
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Post by SF on Apr 25, 2010 23:38:41 GMT -5
everyone's ragging on olli cos of all the rob trouble. but i cannot see how this is olli's fault. in the crazy land of soap, there aren't countless rob's or wolle's waiting on every street corner. for some reason opportunities only crop up once. rob is effectively, in crazy soap world, olli's *only* chance to make NLs successful. the writers aren't gonna invent a decent, uninteresting, honest party dealer to come replace him soon. so olli has to work with him. he cannot help the fact rob wants him. he cannot help the fact robs a bastard. and he cannot save christian's pride/feelings without losing his NLs opportunity. i think it's unfair to ask him to. so he's dealing with the situation as best he can. protecting christian from his own rage and jealousy. he's not doing it out of spite. it may be misguided cos the truth always outs especially in soap (unless you're poor cement-covered olivia), but it's NOT HIS FAULT!! i can see olli's POV. if someone your partner HATED kissed you and you pushed them off, and thought nothing of it, had no plans to move on anytime soon, would you upset your partner more than you had to?! especially if your partner was blind-with-rage-and-jealousy christian mann?!? But why does Olli have to put himself in the position where Christian can doubt? If he says there's nothing to worry about, and yet he gets drunk with Rob, stays out all night, has breakfast with him while he could have gone upstairs to Christian...why do that? Why not tell Rob to go to the damn bathroom and look at that something in his eye, and not do it in the middle of the bar? (gotta love soaps). It's one thing to SAY there's nothing to worry about; it's another to give all the signals to the contrary. As had been stated by others before, Olli needs to set clear boundaries, with Rob-do NOT invite him to your home when your partner is not there. Do NOT party all night and get drunk and not call. Do NOT let him kiss and hug you, even if it's not on the lips ( ). Do NOT let him touch your knee, your shoulder, or any part of you because you already know he wants in your pants. And what I have stated before: after all that Rob has done and said to Christian, it's not all in his head. He has a right to be concerned; he has a right to be angry, and he cannot be expected to just accept Rob in Olli's life and be humiliated and put down constantly to his face and in front of Olli. No, Olli can't help that Rob's an asshat. He can't help that Rob's the key to his dream. However, he can set boundaries and be more wary of Rob's character, as well as have more confidence in his own abilities than having to cowtow to such a person. Rob says jump and Olli says how high. That's rather frightening for anyone's partner, no matter how much you want to trust him. I think Christian was right in needing a break. He's tired of running into a brick wall. But on Christian's end, if he can salvage any part of the relationship, he needs to: -stop confiding in Rebecca -take a deep breath before saying anything to Olli, even though everything he's been saying has been true -find more friends -set up surveillance cameras in No Limits -start secretly taping random conversations -use friends to set up a sting operation to catch Rob red-handed in drug dealing -use friends to tempt and bed Rob so he's too exhausted to pursue Olli (that's for you thunderkat. Go crazy on the fan fic ) but olli shouldn't have to monitor his own behaviour just because christian is a neurotic bunny boiler these days. i honestly (and i'm being serious here ;D) don't see how any of his behaviour around rob could be described as putting him in a position where christian can doubt. not if christian trusted him anyway, which is the fundamental problem, because christian doesn't (and then complains that olli doesn't trust him ). at the moment all christian is putting his trust in, is that rob's a dirty (sexy as eff) manipulator who will do anything to get into olli's pants. he isn't even really acknowledging *in his head* let alone out loud whether olli is trustworthy when it comes to who he lets undo the proverbial belt buckle. okay, so some of the plot points are contrived and dramatic and look bad - but if it was judith, or miriam, or rebecca, or david, or andi, or lydia, or helena or any other dusseldorf resident who olli was poking fluff out their eye for, would christian give two shits?! no. olli is the type of person who happens to be touchy feely, throwing people up in his arms (lydia), giving them lingering hugs (judith), grabbing people from behind (miriam). kissing girls to comfort them (coco and rebecca (and the latter was post chrolli!!)), constantly hugging andi and batting round him like a fly, making comments about how good he looks, or how naked he should be at the breakfast table. asking if tristan was hot. he doesn't even REALISE he's flirting most of the time. but the main thing is: christian fell in love with that guy. he can't ask him to change his entire demeanor in the presence of this one person to make him feel more comfortable when olli has already stated plain as day "i'm not interested. i love YOU." and anyway, ALL of the time (i was gonna say 'most' but thinking about it, it's ALL) olli is NOT the one initiating rob cuddles and hugs and pecks on the cheek. that is all rob being his usual wicked self. and honestly? what can olli do?! as i said before rock/olli/hard place. rob IS his only chance to make NLs successful. you think if he got all bitchy and "don't touch me! i have a boyfriend!!" rob would make things easier for him? he'd either take his business elsewhere, or more likely up his game. olli has always been a tolerator. he tolerates to the point where he drives me up the wall (although unlike most people, i like him tolerating rob, he could do a bit more rob tolerating actually and usually want him to figuratively speaking, wallop christian, these days instead of the endless putting up). except for now, if he tolerates rob he angers christian and if he tolerate christian he risks the future of NLS. its a conundrum. and either christian backs down and decides to support olli wholeheartedly - like olli did with him and boxing, following him round like a puppy (not a perfect solution), or christian grows a pair, stops getting frightened by the big boys and realises he can trust his bf OR rob turns into an angel overnight. OR fourth option, rob seduces christian and gets him onside for a night the three of them will never forgot (the least likely, but i guess i can dream ;D). all in all though, it isn't olli's fault - and people give him such a hard time. from his point of view, he can walk away from rob and his NLs dream (because i truly don't think rob would be discouraged by olli cooling off), or he has to put his foot down with christian. i know which i'd rather see. just for the sake of making olli his own person - instead of just christian mann's ever faithful bf and general buttboy. just my opinion.
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 25, 2010 23:41:08 GMT -5
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Post by SF on Apr 25, 2010 23:47:06 GMT -5
also christian was being a c**t in the apartment. he has a job to go to. it wasn't like olli kicked him out when he had nowhere else to be. olli wasn't acting remotely flirty with rob, sat on the opposite side of the table mores the pity and christian was just there to keep an eye out, in a possessive and quite creepy manner. NOTHING TO DO WITH DRUGS - all to do with thinking rob and olli might take their business meeting to the bedroom if he isn't there to supervise. plus he was being downright nasty about every little thing - and this is olli's dream here - he didn't have one nice word to say, he was just slinging mud at olli in front of rob (and dumbly giving him more fuel to stoke his evil fires with) and olli didn't say one personal, or nasty thing back - he calmly and quietly asked him to leave. i would have thrown the doughnut binder at him and shoved him out the door - if it were me he was treating like shit - so i actually applaud olli for his reserve. and jealousy is a very ugly emotion. it's certainly not cute and if you're on the receiving end it can be actual torture - from what i've heard. so my sympathy in that little joyous scene was entirely with mr sabel.
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 25, 2010 23:53:54 GMT -5
oh bitte bitte bitte let that hard place be rob ::crosses fingers in vain vain hope:: i have to wonder though, why we all accept Rob as being so integral to Olli's success? Or rather, why does Olli conceptualize it as such? Ok he's a major event manager w. "the best" contacts (jeorg? really ) but when Olli first took over he single-handedly turned no limits around, Olli is quite capable on his own. So what is this NEED for Rob's approval? attention? collaboration? And is it possibly this strange need for Rob's approval that Christian rails against, inelegantly, as always... EDIT: What did that binder ever do to you?!
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 25, 2010 23:55:03 GMT -5
LOL! ;D I know I had a hand in opening up the can of "jealousy" worms a few pages back, but, it makes me uncomfortable, beyond discussing these characters, how some people are seeing Christian's jealousy as a good thing. It'd be all well and good if optimally everyone separates their fantasy wishes with what they would tolerate in reality, but, I have my doubts (not all, for some)..... /Public Service Announcement to impressionable boys and girls reading such threads
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 25, 2010 23:58:30 GMT -5
To me, Christian was a little bitch to stay there, and Olli was a twit to not go somewhere else with Ropp once Chrissie decided to stay. So they were both idiots in my opinion. Anyhow....As I've stated before ....I love this drama right now, and think it's miles better than what we had all last year. Also...everyone is doing fairly well in this thread...just remember to keep it that way and not get too confontational. Thanks Folks!
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Post by SF on Apr 26, 2010 0:03:14 GMT -5
oh bitte bitte bitte let that hard place be rob ::crosses fingers in vain vain hope:: i have to wonder though, why we all accept Rob as being so integral to Olli's success? Or rather, why does Olli conceptualize it as such? Ok he's a major event manager w. "the best" contacts (jeorg? really ) but when Olli first took over he single-handedly turned no limits around, Olli is quite capable on his own. So what is this NEED for Rob's approval? attention? collaboration? And is it possibly this strange need for Rob's approval that Christian rails against, inelegantly, as always... EDIT: What did that binder ever do to you?! in response to the first question: the writers have told us, he is the party king, so i chose to believe it. there is no reality in the fictional world of dusseldorf except what they write. it's the same as wolle was christian's only chance to be a pro boxer, that is till gregor came along. i had no option to accept that and the accompanying SL which saw poor olli get beat black and blue and poor christian come perilously close to brooding his way into an asylum - so i have 'no option' but to accept rob. for some reason, they have neglected to explain, there are no other available party planners in the WHOLE city and olli seems incapable of coming up with craptastic ideas for craptastic novelty parites and themed rebeccavonlahsteindesigns space suits all on his little own - so rob is just a necessary evil, unfortunately. in response to the second: don't pity the folder too much. would you really despise being pelted, full speed in the general direction of christianmann?!? i think not!!
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Post by irinobabe on Apr 26, 2010 0:10:11 GMT -5
But why does Olli have to put himself in the position where Christian can doubt? What would be a suitable position for Olli where Christian won't doubt Rob the scum? Yup, both of them need to outline what are the suitable outlines of a boundary. Not just Olli. Olli's character is inherently way more open than Christian's. What might be "no big deal" to Olli is probably a "very big deal" to Christian. Thus, they need to communicate, together, boundaries. It's not all up to Olli to define that. With the food critic episode, Christian later apologized to Olli and said he over-reacted. That would have been a perfect opportunity for them to figure out boundaries to curb jealousy in a relationship. However, as it's a 20 some minutes soap, we're not gonna get long after-school special "talking out" moments. And...as such, the audience can only assume that boundary setting was not done. For my relationship, there's a simple rule: don't do anything with someone that you would not be comfortable doing if your partner was present to witness. Given this: Agreed. Wrong move on Olli's part, esp. the not calling when you told your bf you wouldn't be too long. Really? That's something you would have issue doing to someone in front of your current partner? Puritan-a-way! ;D Again, really? Why? If it's the kiss/hug that led to Christian pushing Rob into the chair, again, really? Even Olli finds that ridiculous a boundary. A knee slap and a shoulder clap.....really? ((Hmmm....not sure how to do the quoting correctly. The following is my response to an earlier post) I think we can certainly agree to disagree politely. I certainly wouldn't want my partner doing any of the above things with someone who has told me he wants to take my partner away from me and regards our relationship with contempt, and I have shared the info with my partner that has been ignored. Yes, call me puritanical in that regard. The issue of boundaries is an important one. If they are not discussed or not agreed upon, then a relationship cannot continue in real life. But that is beyond the scope of a soap opera to identify for us. We can only hope things work out for the best and our boys overcome their obstacles with some semblance of character continuity. Otherwise we'd all cry like little girls and would have to spend copious amounts of time doing other things rather than writing on a fan forum ;D
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 26, 2010 0:21:33 GMT -5
Moderator post:
OK, apparently I missed something, but ....
The above quote is something NOT to post in this thread.
Talk and comment about the story, not about each other. Period.
Thanks.
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Post by SF on Apr 26, 2010 0:25:31 GMT -5
while i agree that the 'issue of boundaries' (i love the psychology speak these boards spew out - haha, since when did soap become so real?) is important (in real life relationships), i'm also of the philosophy: 'you get what you choose' and even though i think it's important christian feels comfortable and secure in his relationship, surmounting that, i think it's more important that olli is allowed to maintain who he is. christian wants olli to be a nun around rob, or preferably not see him at all. and that to me is a little unrealistic and harsh - given he's had two years to get to know his boyfriend. he can't completely fetter olli, and that's what he's attempting to do when he sits in on business meetings or hounds their every interaction. if he's concerned maybe he should hang out with them in the supportive sense rather than the thunderous-raincloud-following-you-round-to-piss-on-your-parade sort of sense. but christian, god love him, has all the sensitivity of a knee to the bollocks and all the sexual knowing of a fourteen year old virgin on her first date. he interprets everything as a move toward the bedroom where rolli are concerned. in fact the inside of christian's head must play like the inside of an ardent rolli lovers head, cept he's not enjoying. and he has no idea how to seperate his fantastical imaginings from the solid, completely present boyfriend who's standing in front of him professing his unending love. i sort of pity the poor sod. but in a very roundabout way. cos he's an asshole when he wants to be.
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 26, 2010 0:32:48 GMT -5
((Hmmm....not sure how to do the quoting correctly. The following is my response to an earlier post) Just put whatever parts of the person you're quoting in between these two tags: [quote*] [/*quote] (erase the * when you do it) Disregard my puritanical comment as that was a personal commentary, and I have taken note. My bad. See V: Moderator post:OK, apparently I missed something, but .... The above quote is something NOT to post in this thread. Talk and comment about the story, not about each other. Period. Thanks. When weighing in on what characters should do/acceptable/not accpetable, which undoubtedly enters when we analyze what they have done, we all come at it from our own perspectives. So, as you pointed out, we'll agree to disagree on the standards of (differing) conduct *we* want out of relationships.....and focus on Olli and Christian's reactions only. I do think Olli sees those standards as extreme, as his comment of "Hello, it was only a kiss and not even on the mouth" kind of tells us how his boundaries are quite different than Christian's. They need to find a happy medium where it's not just appeasing to Christian's standard (or Olli's). We don't want to kill either of their spirits and their inherent selves. Yup, and all we're left with is over-analysis and speculation. ;D Very much so agreed, beyond he said, he said, the end game for me, like all of us, I'm guessing, on this VL sub-forum....is Chrolli.
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Post by SF on Apr 26, 2010 0:35:57 GMT -5
if christian turned around tomorrow and sensitively, gently and quietly offered to help olli out, or just act as a sounding board for ideas (in a positive way) and gradually regained olli's trust (cos i think olli feels a bit battered and bruised by christian's constant bashing of anything remotely to do with the words 'party' or 'The NLs' (is it actually called 'the' no limits?!)) - i think olli would eventually open up again, cos nothing makes olli more giddy than when christian helps him out without him having to ask (and i don't mean help him by shouting: "HE'S A FRIGGING DRUG DEALER. ARE YOU BLIND?!?" whenever rob crops up). plus i would love to see rob's face if christian actually started tagging along to business meetings and chipped in his two cents, and olli took his advice (which he would). the party king getting trumped by the stable boy?! priceless. it's what i'd do. but i don't think that's how this sorry mess is gonna turn out. however many times i wish it would.
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 26, 2010 0:38:39 GMT -5
^ I'd do the same. If you can't beat 'em, join 'em...and that's how ya beat 'em. ;D
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Post by SF on Apr 26, 2010 0:45:01 GMT -5
oh how i wish christian would just join rolli already!! chrrolli? chrolbert??!?! rollistan?!?!? ;D
max and thore have awesome chemistry. (i actually think it plays a teensy tiny bit more naturally than max and jo... teeny tiny). and every time christian grabs rob by the scruff of the neck, i keep hoping a wall will appear behind him to push rob into and their natural aggression would just spill over into sheer passion....
annnnnyway... i'll keep thoughts like those to myself from now on... not exactly the most popular viewpoint around!!
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Post by mycatfox on Apr 26, 2010 0:50:32 GMT -5
To me, Christian was a little bitch to stay there, and Olli was a twit to not go somewhere else with Ropp once Chrissie decided to stay. So they were both idiots in my opinion. Watch out, tihkon2, or Christian will throw you out of your avatar... ;D also christian was being a c**t in the apartment. he has a job to go to. it wasn't like olli kicked him out when he had nowhere else to be. olli wasn't acting remotely flirty with rob, sat on the opposite side of the table mores the pity and christian was just there to keep an eye out, in a possessive and quite creepy manner. NOTHING TO DO WITH DRUGS - all to do with thinking rob and olli might take their business meeting to the bedroom if he isn't there to supervise. I agree, as I mentioned before, Christian seems to be waaay more concerned about Rob finally shagging Olli than the fact that Olli is trapped in the dangerous web this crook/spider laboriously built BTW: did you know that if you write c**t, the whole word, the thread automatically changes it to Ann Coulter? Kudos to the genius that programmed the board to do that! No offense, but every time I hear/read that word, I immediately think of her ;D
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