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Post by ivaniv on Apr 23, 2010 16:53:27 GMT -5
Just because he cried it does not mean he's right and Christian is wrong. They both contributed to this situation.
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 23, 2010 16:56:13 GMT -5
Olli cried, so what? he just got what he has been deserving lately
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 23, 2010 16:58:11 GMT -5
*intends to spend the next hour or so singing "Cry Me a River."*
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Post by mitsaso on Apr 23, 2010 16:59:36 GMT -5
Just because he cried it does not mean he's right and Christian is wrong. They both contributed to this situation. Exactly what you said, Ivan. Olli, Olli, Olli... I get that he's trapped in the middle, and both men put him in an awkward position. But, bitch, please, Christian has the same right to hate on Rob, the way you had the right to bitch out Rebecca. And it's not like Rob has taken the message; he keeps throwing himself at Olli every other episode! If I were Olli, I would have been pissed off at Rob by now, not for Christian's sake but for mine. TAKE. A. HINT. But, nooooo, I guess it's too hard to attract people to your establishment with booze and loud music, so you need Rob to come up with lame party concepts. As if he couldn't google his way around!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:01:04 GMT -5
I have written a small scene for today, if you would like to see how I made this issue go away please check the fanfic page 341.
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Post by sozment on Apr 23, 2010 17:01:15 GMT -5
AND Olli is NOT the one not trusting here. Christian is NOT trusting Olli or he would have dropped all this a long time ago and went on. Well, Olli is the admitted liar and in my experience, people who lie so easily are more likely to believe others are lying as well, so maybe it is understandable. And if Christian had dropped this long ago, he wouldn't know about Olli's lying, because it was clear that Olli had no intention of coming clean. What has Christian said about Rob that was "out of jealousy"? That he's not a good person (true), that he's after Olli (true), that Olli couldn't see it (true until Rob made his "declaration of love" to Olli), that Rob's buddy was dealing drugs in NL (true), that Rob was dealing drugs in NL (true)... The fact that he's jealous doesn't mean he's a liar. Except to Olli. But I think you're right, Olli would doubt the sky is blue if Christian told him that, IF Olli wanted the sky to be orange. That's the problem. You can not honestly believe that Christian is not acting like a jealous child? I am not going to go tic for tac with you because frankly I don't have the energy or care that much. But I will say this. In MY opinion, Olli was NOT lying when he did not bring up the kiss with Rob. It was a two second kiss that he did NOT initiate which he immediately pulled away from. Can the same be said for the Christian/Rebecca kiss? And before it's said..the kiss with Olli/Rebecca was again, a two second one that he pulled away from. And in my opinion, every breath that Christian takes lately is out of pure jealousy. If he would cool his jets just a tiny bit, some of this drama would calm down and Rob would not have nearly as much fun as he has with him. Olli is no saint, I never said he was. But because for once, he didn't put Christian first and wanted something for himself, and it seems he has paid for it ever since.
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 23, 2010 17:02:29 GMT -5
All that I can say is...
I too died a little when I saw Olli's tear, but...
I also thought: "HEY! Maybe this is the kind of pain Olli needs to get off his butt and do something about Rob, like removing him from his life."
I just hope that he acts on his pain instead of letting it fester.
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And JMM ... it's not that what Christian has told Olli is not the truth, but there are ways that you go about telling someone the truth. The way Christian has gone about telling Olli's these truths is all WRONG, and if you were honest with yourself you would admit that. You don't talk out of jealousy, you don't do it during a fight, you don't do it to get one over on your partner, and you definitely don't do it when your partner is not receptive to hearing it (see the above reasons on why that might happen)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 23, 2010 17:02:57 GMT -5
Shirley: I agree completely on this. *Gives Shirley a round of applause* ;D
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Post by talula on Apr 23, 2010 17:14:40 GMT -5
Rob is a SMART ASS, he is playing both guys like puppies, Christian chose wrong time to tell Ollie about Rob's dealing,no wonder Ollie didn't believe him at that moment,i think i wouldn't as well,the biggest Chris' problems that he just can't think clear when it goes to Ollie,his jealousy just cover his mind sometime, yes he has the right being jealous but sometimes he is really overreacting and behaves like a child. And Ollie too naive guy,he thinks he can control Rob' actions,but actually he can't,Rob is a hunter,he is a tiger who can waiting for days and days sitting in bushes and then in right moment when victim in the weakest position attack and eat you wholly. Rob was the one who behaved with clear mind today ,Ollie and Chris doing the same mistakes again and again that exactly what Rob needs. I love Rob btw,he is such sexy beast, i wouldn't mind to see him kiss Oliver again,some long juicy kissing with tongues, ,but then he can go to the hell ;D
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Post by tihkon2 on Apr 23, 2010 17:16:29 GMT -5
I think both Christian and Olli are being complete numbskulls throughout this storyline, and I love it! ;D I think they're both acting human and it's much more interesting than them just playing "Dear Abby" to all their friends. I say keep the Jealous Chrissie and Pissy Olli coming. Also.... It's just a TV show folks! They're not real.
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Post by talula on Apr 23, 2010 17:22:33 GMT -5
I think both Christian and Olli are being complete numbskulls throughout this storyline, and I love it! ;D I think they're both acting human and it's much more interesting than them just playing "Dear Abby" to all their friends. It amazes me though how many people are terribly upset around the internet. At the end of the day, they aren't real, and it's a TV show! I agree with you completely! I love the DRAMA and if Rebecca it's the price we have to pay for guys having meaty story i don't mind ,as long as she stays just a plot device for Ollian story. Anyway it's much much better to have this story than just watching guys being wallpapers or furnitures for others.
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Post by ivaniv on Apr 23, 2010 17:22:55 GMT -5
They are not real, you are telling me now? ;D I just hope that now the R-person won't get the wrong idea and won't start permanently hitting on Christian, too
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 23, 2010 17:25:08 GMT -5
Also.... It's just a TV show folks! They're not real. sure, and what would be next? no Santa? ;D
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Post by chrollifan211 on Apr 23, 2010 17:28:52 GMT -5
Good one Lyra!
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Post by sozment on Apr 23, 2010 17:33:46 GMT -5
I think I love you Paul..
And my favorite line of the entire decade???
"I love Rob btw,he is such sexy beast, i wouldn't mind to see him kiss Oliver again,some long juicy kissing with tongues, ;D ,but then he can go to the hell "
LMAO
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Post by joanna on Apr 23, 2010 18:08:02 GMT -5
The maxdome.de[/url] promo pic for this episode...
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 23, 2010 18:11:10 GMT -5
Why do I have friends over for dinner when they show an episode like this? And why is it friday and nobody wanted to leave? But I´ve seen it now and I loved it. Olli´s tear made me want to cuddle him and tell him everything´s gonna be alright. Would be a good moment for Andi to remember that friendship goes both ways (Your time to lend a sympathetic ear, Schätzchen!). What I like about this story is that I can put myself in both of their positions and see both sides. If I was Olli I would go crazy over my boyfriend not trusting me when I tell him that nothing will happen with Rob. I reckon Olli is somewhat attracted to Rob and he´s fighting it. Having your boyfriend doubt you when you´re maybe not to sure about yourself, doesn´t help to stay completely rational. Especially if you don´t want to see the truth in the first place. If I was Christian I would go ballistic knowing what he knows about Rob and not having my boyfriend believe me. His comments were unnecessary and childish. With the remarks about the party he didn´t only take potshots at Rob, but he also sneered at Olli´s dream (again). Being Olli I would have asked him to leave, too. (Would have been better to discuss it without Rob present though.) But I can´t really blame Christian, because I might not have been able to refrain from some pungent sarcasm either. Olli only told Christian about Rob when he didn´t see a chance to hide it anymore. It´s understandable Christian has his doubts, even if he really wants to trust Olli. He sees the way Rob is playing Olli and he doesn´t know what to do about it. Pity he doesn´t see how Rob´s playing him even more. I know I should hate Rob - and I ´m sure I would in real life - but… I can´t. He is so deliciously sexy and evil. Sozment, that quote is hilarious and quite accurate, except I honestly don´t want to see any of the boys kissing anybody else anymore. Nevertheless I´m looking forward to Christian and Olli joining forces and kicking him out of their relationship. On the other hand, I would very much like for Rob to stay in Düsseldorf and mess around with some other characters, maybe with Ansgar. Seeing those two have a go at each other would be fun. I think both Christian and Olli are being complete numbskulls throughout this storyline, and I love it! ;D I think they're both acting human and it's much more interesting than them just playing "Dear Abby" to all their friends. I say keep the Jealous Chrissie and Pissy Olli coming. Yup, that about sums it up nicely! ;D Edit: Nitty, I just saw it´s your birthday! Congratulations!
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Post by FTLNewsFeed on Apr 23, 2010 19:41:32 GMT -5
Also.... It's just a TV show folks! They're not real. I agree tihkon, but this is a drama that is meant to do one thing: play with viewer emotions. We're not Vulcan's after all, and the emotions that they are playing with are very real. ... Just saying
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Post by cred on Apr 23, 2010 20:01:06 GMT -5
I almost cried with today's episode. Christian made Olli cry. I'm crying too...
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Post by pedronrf on Apr 23, 2010 20:08:19 GMT -5
Well Christian has had many faults today, but I can't blame him. I know for one that if someone was trying to get in my boyfriend's pants (never mind if my BF was indifferent to him or not) and then had the nerve to casually walk into my house, I'd kill him on the spot. Christian was too kind, sitting there like a little angel and just giving snide remarks. Being nice is for doormat cuckolds. And, believe me, I've been in Christian's position once or twice. The people who dared to throw themselves on my then boyfriend, they had the decency disappeared for months from my eyes afterwards. One of them even moved to the U.S.A. On a side note am I prejudiced because I think your attitude towards a situation like this is so... well greek?
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Post by SF on Apr 23, 2010 20:17:05 GMT -5
Christian is a big idiot. He should learn to trust Olli. Rob may be trying to hit on him, but Christian should ask himself whether or not he believes Olli would ever act on that? If the answer is 'yes' then that is entirely his problem and he should stop wasting Olli's time. Because, as he asked Rebecca only a few days ago, what is a relationship without trust? Of course, he was complaining about Olli's lack of trust in him in that instant - being his hypocritical self as usual. Because today's episode seemed to revolve around the fact he didn't trust Olli with Rob. Olli even mentioned that he is expected to be okay about Rebecca and Christian's kiss - suggesting to some extent that he has taken it upon himself to look past the fact Christian kissed someone else. Also I honestly don't know how Christian gets off so lightly, morally - because his kiss with Rebecca wasn't exactly innocent and I dread to think what would have happened if David hadn't walked in. I also find it incredulous that Christian is so unwilling to support Olli - and he is unwilling;
- openly making puerile jokes about Olli's chosen career (compared to Olli and his boxing dream, Olli never had one bad word to say about it, in fact he even went as fair as to re instill Christian's faith in himself when he was down)
- his reluctance to attend events, even the one's he does end up going to (Olli used to watch him train, and put up with outright homophobia, just to support Christian)
- his constant insistence that Olli is making a choice between his relationship and his career when he devotes time to his place of work (Olli was willing to sacrifice his dream at the time, that they be together - so Christian could box, and was consistently modest and sweet, putting himself second to Christian's happiness)
when Olli put so much into supporting him, and being his prop when he needed it. Okay, Christian is a different person, and shows his support less enthusiastically than Olli. But when was the last time he actually smiled about something Olli had achieved - purely for Olli's sake, with no mention of his own career?!
Christian is coming across as malicious, and egotistical and a bully. And he was none of those things before. Why can Olli not have his own life? It falls down to him not trusting Rob, and as we saw today, not so much the drugs aspect but the fact Rob has expressed a sexual interest in Olli. That seems an unfair reason to deny your partner their dream. Especially when they were so keen to support yours. And what has actually happened between Olli and Rob? A kiss. Christian is guilty of that himself. And if he is capable of understanding that no matter how passionate his kiss with Rebecca was, he doesn't want to take it further because he loves another person, why isn't he capable of understanding Olli won't go there with Rob?! He comes across as entirely stupid. I ask again, if you can't trust Olli, Christian - then why bother?!
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Post by Flippityfloppityflip on Apr 23, 2010 20:28:11 GMT -5
Yeah for Christian walking out on Olli! About time as well.
Olli can't tell Christian to get lost in front of Rob in their own apartment and expect Christian to be there waiting when Olli's done with Rob.
And what's wrong with Christian being jealous and insecure. If you've got a gorgeous, flirtatious, sexy boyfriend who women and men alike hit on all the time you'd be rather anxious. Especially when someone who's as cocksure as Rob has Olli in his sights. Maybe if Christian wasn't on probation, some of his pent up rage and jealousy could have been released with a good solid punch to Rob's smug face. At the back of Christian's mind might be the fact that his boyfriend says he loves him truly, madly, deeply, but still left for a weeks holiday and was gone for two months. That's bound to make anyone insecure and watchful.
If anyone's seen the recent Chrolli vlog I thought the exchange between Olli and Christian about Nico was interesting. On one level Olli appeared worried that Christian was once hooked up with such a glamourous, arty metropolitan woman - maybe Christian will go back to such women one day. It's like Olli's comment to Christian about kissing Miriam and Rebecca. Does a small tiny speck of Olli think that Christian is still experimenting after more than two years, but one day the experiment will be over and he'll go back to women?
Then on the otherhand I thought that Christian is thinking that Olli can't see me with a smart, very successful international artist. I'm not hip enough. Maybe if Olli's bar becomes super hip and the place to be seen in, that Olli will fall in love with another tall, good looking man, who's more of a sociable, dynamic party person to share it with and Christian will be left on the sidelines.
On the whole the acting is very good today. However, much as I love all the posturing and facial expressions at work between all the participants, if only the boys would talk to each other more and put themselves into each other shoes, this would lift this storyline to even better heights. If only we have one or two such scenes, I'd think I'd died and gone to heaven.
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Post by andc39 on Apr 23, 2010 20:53:18 GMT -5
Soapfan, I couldn't have said that better myself..
Just to add my two cents..Christian didn't , IMO, immediatly confess the kiss/Rebecca.David, provided him that chance when Olli, came in on their disscussion and asked if they wanted pizza. David said, no thanks but, I think you have something to discuss.I got the impression that, Christian was trying to get David not to tell Olli.
Again,Christian had the chance the next morning on the couch.But, then we got a scene of Christian talking to Rebecca.Saying,that if Olli found out it would ruin their fresh start.
Christian was trying to hide this kiss ( the same way, he wanted to hide the Miriam kiss)
I can't really fault Olli for not telling Christian..It was a nothing kiss with Rob..and given Christian's tendency to over-react and he basically already assualted Rob once before..I think, Olli just didn't want to piss Christian off any more than He already was..
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Post by pedronrf on Apr 23, 2010 22:31:47 GMT -5
Disclaimer: I'm more fond of Ollie as a character than Christian
As usual after reading the comments I rewatched the episode, and I'm sorry but I don't get the whole blame game. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see a culprit here, I know most of us have a favourite, mine is Ollie as stated above, but what I did watch today, in my opinion, is an example of the kind of good story we see in some tragedies. Both characters are flawed and human, they make mistakes, but I don't think any of these mistakes justify the end result, it's the fact that against their better whishes each character's mistakes pushes the exact buttons on the other one that can and do split them apart. As if try as they might this (brief I hope) separation is set in motion beyond their power to stop it. I saw Christian being childish by staying just because Rob's there, but when he came back from the castle, to No Limits and after suffering Rob's sly remarks, when Ollie asks if everything is all right again I saw Christian answer with a yellow smile but a genuine olive branch, trying to put episode behind him and reconcile with Ollie. I saw Ollie being inconsiderate the way he talked to Christian to get out of the apartment, but I saw him regret it when talking to Rob, and the way he asked if everything is ok is an olive branch as well. That's the moment they could have prevented the whole thing, but then Miriam just mentions Rob, Chris can't repress his remark, Ollie is unable to let him just blow some steam and answers , that provokes a reaction, and the cycle of hurt and mistrust follows feeding on them like a hungry beast. The same thing when they talk before Christian leaves the apartment, this time unlike the Rebecca Kiss, I see no wish for revenge in Christian, he's just hurt and wants to lick his wounds, and I think you can see in his eyes he regrets it, he knows he's hurting Ollie, but he just can't stay there. And Ollie, who always tries to be as nice possible and will accept much he doesn't like just to keep the peace can't be anything but deeply hurt. I like Chrolli, but I like this story too, it feels real, I'm not much into relationships, but from what little experience I have this happens, you open your mouth and you know that if you could only be more patient or say what you have to say in a better way the hurt will stop, but no it's just a train wreck waiting to come out of it and go crashing into your partner, and you feel almost like you're a spectator, powerless to stop it. Then goes another round... come to think of it I think this story's an old classic. Anyway, just my two cents.
PS: Thikon can I ask you to add voting buttons to your posts, even if you have to ask the folk at proboards to develop the sotware for that? I find myself frequently wanting to just vote for them, and sometimes they're so good I feel I spoil them if I just post saying I agree or support your post.
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Post by guest84 on Apr 23, 2010 22:44:15 GMT -5
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