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Post by cantletyoudrown on Apr 23, 2010 23:18:23 GMT -5
This is the image I had to think of today. Yes, Chrolli has finally arrived at The Expulsion From Eden. Adam here can stand in for the misery of either one of them, because they really are in the same pain, opposite though they believe themselves right now. But the angel is stern because they are both flawed, and because they missed the opportunity while in Eden to guarantee a permanent place for themselves there. This painting is in a church in Florence, which should excuse everything, even full nudity! And I have to apologize to Masaccio for my rough edit to his original. I had to show Adam driven out as if alone, because of the loneliness Christian and Olli are both feeling. Neither has an inkling, as Adam and Eve did, that the folly and blindness were shared between them.
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Post by Nitty on Apr 24, 2010 0:24:07 GMT -5
Nitty, I just saw it´s your birthday! Congratulations! Thanks! It's not actually my b-day until 2 hrs, but who's counting?
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Post by silverkitsune33 on Apr 24, 2010 1:20:51 GMT -5
I actually think the writers have done a pretty good job at making Christian and Olli equally guilty when it comes to how they created this mess of a drama. (And what a drama! Yay!)
If we chart the whole thing this story is filled with classic soap opera misunderstandings on both ends that are entertaining as hell to watch.
One thing that does bother me is Christian's confusing over why Olli doesn't believe him when he tells him Rob deals drugs. Honestly, I think Christian has cried wolf a few too many times in the past. He's got a history of losing his temper at anyone who hits on his boyfriend (hello restaurant critic!) and Olli knows this. Olli did believe him at first and decided to watch Rob, but when he called Rob out for what he thought was dealing (in a classic soap opera misunderstanding) and it turned out to be theater tickets it soured Christian's testimony. Couple that with Christian hating Rob for constantly trying to mack with his boyfriend (and who can blame him?) and his well documented temper.......Olli probably thinks all of this is just Christian crying wolf again.
Meanwhile, Christian who is actually right about this guy being a sleeze ball is slowly losing his mind and dealing with it immaturely because he's at the end of his rope and just throwing whatever he's got.
On a completely different note I love how much Rob eats. He even EATS like a jackass! He pops a cracker in his mouth and I bet half the room suddenly has the urge to punch him....or kiss him if you're into that. =)
Thank you Nanna! Thank you Tihkon!
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 24, 2010 3:41:56 GMT -5
I think the main problem is that Olli chooses to trust that wanker he knows for a couple of weeks over his b/f of two years. That must hurt. Amen.. and this is why I am on Christians side (although he is not perfect).
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Post by Lightness on Apr 24, 2010 3:52:58 GMT -5
Ah, Olli don't cry, Christian isn't worth it.
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Post by lyra85 on Apr 24, 2010 4:32:50 GMT -5
Christian is a big idiot. He should learn to trust Olli. Rob may be trying to hit on him, but Christian should ask himself whether or not he believes Olli would ever act on that? If the answer is 'yes' then that is entirely his problem and he should stop wasting Olli's time. Because, as he asked Rebecca only a few days ago, what is a relationship without trust? Of course, he was complaining about Olli's lack of trust in him in that instant - being his hypocritical self as usual. Because today's episode seemed to revolve around the fact he didn't trust Olli with Rob. Olli even mentioned that he is expected to be okay about Rebecca and Christian's kiss - suggesting to some extent that he has taken it upon himself to look past the fact Christian kissed someone else. Also I honestly don't know how Christian gets off so lightly, morally - because his kiss with Rebecca wasn't exactly innocent and I dread to think what would have happened if David hadn't walked in. I also find it incredulous that Christian is so unwilling to support Olli - and he is unwilling; - openly making puerile jokes about Olli's chosen career (compared to Olli and his boxing dream, Olli never had one bad word to say about it, in fact he even went as fair as to re instill Christian's faith in himself when he was down) - his reluctance to attend events, even the one's he does end up going to (Olli used to watch him train, and put up with outright homophobia, just to support Christian) - his constant insistence that Olli is making a choice between his relationship and his career when he devotes time to his place of work (Olli was willing to sacrifice his dream at the time, that they be together - so Christian could box, and was consistently modest and sweet, putting himself second to Christian's happiness) when Olli put so much into supporting him, and being his prop when he needed it. Okay, Christian is a different person, and shows his support less enthusiastically than Olli. But when was the last time he actually smiled about something Olli had achieved - purely for Olli's sake, with no mention of his own career?! Christian is coming across as malicious, and egotistical and a bully. And he was none of those things before. Why can Olli not have his own life? It falls down to him not trusting Rob, and as we saw today, not so much the drugs aspect but the fact Rob has expressed a sexual interest in Olli. That seems an unfair reason to deny your partner their dream. Especially when they were so keen to support yours. And what has actually happened between Olli and Rob? A kiss. Christian is guilty of that himself. And if he is capable of understanding that no matter how passionate his kiss with Rebecca was, he doesn't want to take it further because he loves another person, why isn't he capable of understanding Olli won't go there with Rob?! He comes across as entirely stupid. I ask again, if you can't trust Olli, Christian - then why bother?! ok, it's official. I'm watching a different show ;D
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 24, 2010 5:15:11 GMT -5
I'd like to quote good ol' William Shakespeare and say: "The course of true love never did run smooth..."
It fits the current storyline.. but true love will prevail!!!!
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Post by lyddy3 on Apr 24, 2010 6:42:39 GMT -5
One thing that does bother me is Christian's confusing over why Olli doesn't believe him when he tells him Rob deals drugs. Honestly, I think Christian has cried wolf a few too many times in the past. He's got a history of losing his temper at anyone who hits on his boyfriend (hello restaurant critic!) and Olli knows this. Olli did believe him at first and decided to watch Rob, but when he called Rob out for what he thought was dealing (in a classic soap opera misunderstanding) and it turned out to be theater tickets it soured Christian's testimony. Couple that with Christian hating Rob for constantly trying to mack with his boyfriend (and who can blame him?) and his well documented temper.......Olli probably thinks all of this is just Christian crying wolf again. Thing is, I totally got when Olli didn't believe him at first, because it is likely that someone could make a mistake about that kind of thing. But despite Christian obviously being very jealous, I think I would begin to consider the possbility that it might be true because Christian keeps saying it. Olli knows that Christian knows how he will respond, and knows that it will probably end in an argument, so I don't know why someone would keep on like that without reason. Especially after today, the conviction on Christian's face when he said that there was a reason for him to leave. I hope that it maybe convinces Olli to consider what Christian is saying to him. I also think Ropp is beginning to give Olli a reason to question him, he was obviously trying to provoke Christian in this episode, and Olli was right there. Also, he still kissed Olli, and Olli can still see the Ropp is flirting with him, hence having to again warn him that nothing is going to happen between them. To me, this is enough to suggest that maybe Christian's behaviour is not entirely unjustified...
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 24, 2010 6:45:58 GMT -5
Nanna! Danke danke danke! Paul! Danke Danke Danke!!! Joanna! Danke Danke Danke!! I think you know which caps I love…. Looks like rob has moved on from pretzels to chips…he eats more than Chrissie! LOL silverkit…I’m definitely into the latter…lol! - Somehow…I feel that would’ve only encouraged Rob. Like, endlich! You’re boyfriend’s got the right idea, and I've got a couple of ladies that can really make this work. And Olli, sigh, Olli would've gone along w. it because ROB suggested it. Cue the 70s porn music cue the Paddles Rob’s just waiting for an excuse to get Chrissie AND Olli all hot and bothered Not out of jealousy, it’s definitely not that, though that’s a component. I think that Christian’s motivation is his concern for olli. If his motivation was out of jealousy, quite frankly, I think we’d be seeing a lot more violence out of Christian, Jealousy makes him completely irrational. He was jealous when he pushed Robbie on to the couch and made out with him….damn, wait that was only in my head Christian was not irrational today, not even jealous, though he was graceless. This man has just ADMITTED to wanting to steal his BF. Considering the circumstances, Christian under-reacted (for him) by just sitting there and making sarcastic comments. If it had been MY bf and some hot piece of skank had the NERVE to walk into my house, they’d have been shanked faster than you can say IwannaShtuppRobMarenbach (and trust…I can say that pretty fast) and as much as it hurt he gulp did the right thing and the rational thing by taking a night off. In truth I don’t know why people are surprised, Christian runs away ALL the time. It’s just that this time he doesn’t have Gregor to go camping with and stress with Olli has never been his bad. Anyway, what I’m trying to say is that jealousy is irrational, Christian’s actions don’t stem from an irrational place, they come from a place of fact. ::Does not even want to know how one plays a puppy:: But you’re one hundred percent right about Rob. I know no one here is surprised I feel that way, lol. WAS?!!!! I thought this was a documentary on hot gay men in Düsseldorf and the big doe eyed bitches who love them… wow…things make SO much more sense now (damn. Just pretend I’m a dude and go with it) It’s true my ears may not be pointed but Christian and Olli certainly make other things… point…. ;D Christian hasn’t missed A SINGLE party, his reluctance isn’t for the events, it’s for the fact that he has to put up with an ASSHOLE like Rob being there EVERY time hitting on his BF. How excited would you be if you knew that every time you went somewhere… EVERY time, your BF was going to ignore you, pay attention to someone you KNOW is after him and than lambaste you for being upset about it? I wouldn’t be in a partying mood much either. And when they had to deal w. the Homophobia they dealt with that together, they both knew it was a problem. Now Chrissie is dealing w. this problem ALONE and that is disheartening. !! simply not true. Did you not hear Olli last week? Love of his life. NITTY!!! HAPPY BELATED BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Lightness on Apr 24, 2010 7:00:48 GMT -5
How excited would you be if you knew that every time you went somewhere… EVERY time, your BF was going to ignore you, pay attention to someone you KNOW is after him and than lambaste you for being upset about it? Ahm... Olli did ignore Christian at the first party, when Christian found out about the drugs?As far as I remember, Olli didn't noticed the drug-thing because he was with his friends (especially Christian) all the time.
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 24, 2010 7:43:19 GMT -5
In truth I just want to slap BOTH of my boys after this episode. Olli I want to slap for his continued, and at this point, WILLFUL ignorance of Rob. I think that yesterday is the first time that he was not only explicit regarding his lack of interest in Rob, but forceful about it as well. I mean, I suppose I have the same issue with Olli that I always have. The fact that his myopic focus is preventing him from seeing the harm that his actions are causing his BF. OK, that myopic focus was not (much) of a problem when it was trained on Christian, but now that he has stars and Rob in his eyes, it's painful to watch. I suppose I want the writers to give me an indication that Christian is still important to Olli WITHOUT it having to be a reaction to his inappropriate actions (kissing rob) or Christian's actions (kissing rebecca). What happened to the olli who was affectionate with Chrissie JUST BECAUSE and not to prove a point? I also can't believe he kicked Christian out of the apartment like that. I mean, I know he's older and can be a bit demanding, but really? Who the hell do you think you are? What if the positions were reversed? Would Olli have let Christian alone with Re-Blech-a? I seriously doubt it. Throughout this storyline olli has been showing a strange kind of inability to empathize with Chrissie's position, which seems a bit out of character, at least to me. He's also been showing this willful ignorance of Rob's intention, and at this point I have to think it's because he IS fighting with a real and potentially threatening attraction to him. I think we got the behavioral instantiation of that with his little smile after Rob invited him to the Spa. That being said I think Olli's point about Chrissie's double standards was well taken. After all, how much can he trust this man who keeps kissing people he is just not supposed to be kissing? Coco Olli Miriam Rebecca those lips have been around.... and none of that was ever in the domain of business.
Christian, as I said before, is just being absolutely graceless and infantile in his approach to counteracting his problems with Robert. And it doesn't help that he no longer has a suitable outlet (like boxing) upon which to vent his frustration. Now he's using his acid tongue and not in the good way that Olli likes, but in the bad way that we all hate. It's one thing to put down rob (I think he kind of gets off on it) but it's another to put down Olli as well, that stupid make-up crack didn't have to include Olli, and it's no wonder he got frustrated and asked Christian to leave. Not that Christian should idly sit by, but he sort of should. Olli and Rob, were, FOR ONCE ACTUALLY talking about business. There was NO need for Christian to butt in with his rip-off commentary, and it's what probably what pushed Olli over the edge. Christian's presence in and of itself spoke volumes. It said I don't trust this guy, and I'm staying right here to protect your honor. But on the other hand, how fucking insulting, pardon my french, of Christian. He's insinuating, with is presence that if he is NOT there something will inevitably happen with Rob. Perhaps he is right, but then it brings me around to the issue of execution. I know Christian is all about being direct and honest, but look at who you're dealing with Chrissie, direct and honest is not going to work against Bob"The beast" marenbach. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results! Christian...you're insane! Olli...you're insane too! You're exasperated with Christian's Jealousy yet you persist in he very actions that make jealous? BOUNDARIES OLLI! BOUNDARIES!! And Chrissie...baby... I know it's difficult for you to deal with this, but there is a time to FIGHT and there is a time to run away... stop running. Though on a more meta level, perhaps Christian is running because he knows it always results in Olli chasing after him. Which brings me to andi...WORST JUDITH REPLACEMENT...EVER. I sincerely hope we get an Andi supporting Olli scene on monday or i'm downgrading him hardcore. Judith would've knocked some sense into these two a LONG LONG time ago AND she would've punched rob in the ass. which he probably would've liked. speaking of Rob... GOD I LOVE YOU YOU MANIPULATIVE ASSHOLE JERK...GUH!!! GUH!! GUUUHHHH!!!!! the corny "something is in my eyes trick" constantly leaving your shit so that you have to come back, provoking my chrissie baby....mmmm rob!!! ich liebe dich!!! you fucking bastard!!!! Fan wank completed. I can't believe neither of these boys can see how he's just sitting back and coordinating all the chess pieces. unbelievable. SPOILER no wonder he has the stones to stand naked in front of olli next week. at this point it's all but a done deal
sigh. Olli, your tear at the end broke my heart, but your priorities are fucked Chrissie i love it when you angst all over the place, but pack the drama queen, ja? Tihkon...are you sure they aren't real? I thought this was an Honors seminar in the Anthropology of the Dusseldorf Hottie... did I take a wrong turn on the interwebs somewhere?
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 24, 2010 7:47:50 GMT -5
How excited would you be if you knew that every time you went somewhere… EVERY time, your BF was going to ignore you, pay attention to someone you KNOW is after him and than lambaste you for being upset about it? Ahm... Olli did ignore Christian at the first party, when Christian found out about the drugs?As far as I remember, Olli didn't noticed the drug-thing because he was with his friends (especially Christian) all the time. ok. i take back the EVERY. that doesn't change the fact that Olli has lessened his attentions to christian since rob came into the picture, perhaps even before. That doesn't mean that Christian shouldn't grow up and try and deal with it in a more constructive way, but i'm just offering it as an explanation as to why he's less than enthusiastic about these parties. It doesn't help either that every time (i'll hedge and say almost every time) he tries to extend an olive branch Rob thwarts. the stable party, he reaches out to Justus, comes back, with good news and boom it's schnee von gestern the aferwork party, he comes to the party and boom rob's a drug dealer today he takes his summary dismissal like a champ and what does he see upon his return? Rob and Olli less than an inch apart, with Rob on his way back no doubt to hit on olli again, give miriam the guest list and provoke Chrissie it's not easy being a Mann. It's not easy being a Mann's man (sorry Justamann's man....that's still Olli)
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Post by Lightness on Apr 24, 2010 7:56:31 GMT -5
the stable party, he reaches out to Justus, comes back, with good news and boom it's schnee von gestern He could have told it Olli. But he didn't even try! Rob said "Schnee von gestern" and boom - Christian capitulates. Yeah, Rob is a asshole ( ) - but that is not Olli's fault. And it's not Ollis fault that Christian jumps at everything Rob does.
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Post by SF on Apr 24, 2010 8:51:49 GMT -5
Christian worked with some real assholes in his time, real absolute bastards. Axel and Wolle. but even up until the DAY he quit, of his own volition, Olli never really forced his hand, or made him feel guilty, or made him feel he was making a choice between a happy relationship and his dream. (Aside from the one scene where he said; "Career or truth, because I guess you can't have both." Still it became apparent Olli was not attempting to force Christian to any kind of decision and would "support him whatever"). He supported him completely. Despite the fact the idiots at the boxing club were threatening him physically as well as being assholes to his face. AFTER christian left the stable, Olli did everything in his power to help him achieve his dream a different way. Olli even forced Christian into the Judith/beard story and put up with Judith and Christian kissing in front of Axel - and it wasn't for his own benefit, he was thinking of his bf. I don't think anyone ever gives Olli kudos for that (because it caused Judith even more undeserved fish-lips dramz) but to step down and realise he was not, at that moment, most important thing - that telling the truth about their relationship and being open and honest had to take a back seat, was one of Olli's most selfless and un-understandable actions, I couldn't do it. Rob is a drug dealing bastard, but yesterday in the moving out episode Christian's complaint was "He's trying to hook up with you". His rage, what caused him to leave the flatshare, is entirely focused on Rob making advances toward Olli, and them being reciprocated. That is why he is an idiot, in my opinion. He is risking the *relationship* - not Olli - he is the initiator of all of the 'space' between them and most of the arguments, Olli can only watch as everything collapses around them because of Christian's temper. He needs Rob's help to achieve his dream, and just like Christian couldn't help that Axel and Wolle were homophobic turds, Olli can't help that Rob is into him. But every time Rob expresses this lately, since he found out about Christian's pathological jealousy, Olli has reigned in his natural tendency to flirt back, and told him that he isn't interested. If Olli could put up with the boxing idiots, why can't Christian put up with Rob? Why can't he trust his bf? And extend the same curtesy? And don't tell me it's about the drugs, there wasn't one single mention of them yesterday *WHEN CHRISTIAN MOVED OUT* - they only come up when another argument needs to be created. It comes across like Christian wants Olli to fall on his face. Every time he snarks "Oh what a catsatrophe!" or " Cool party idea." It comes across like he CANNOT support Olli regardless of Rob. No wonder Olli doesn't trust him about the drugs. If I was Christian I would go back to silently helping Olli as much as I could, and if Rob is a drug dealer, another opportunity will arise to out him to Olli, which I'd do calmly and logically. Maybe I'd plot how to reveal what he is. Christian won't do this though, the writers won't let him. Because he's fundamentally changed, and because I think they are deliberately trying to destroy Chrolli. For long term purposes. However, some things are undeniable: - Olli supported Christian in his dream. - Olli supported Christian and sacrificed his own needs and desires and was even concerned for Christian's welfare when he got what he wanted, the big boxing reveal. - Boxing may or may not have been Olli's thing, he never revealed that, but he went to every match, loads of training sessions and apart that one night with Steve from the gym, never let Christian down. Christian himself expressed this. - Christian has repeatedly professed how little he understands or enjoys Olli's party lifestyle, Olli's chosen career path. - At most of the parties Christian is not 100% happy for his successful bf. And this is before he witnesses drugs. - The main part of Chrisitian's jealousy and concern, as seen from the catalyst of his storming out, is lack of trust, and suspicion of Rob's sexual motivation and inclinations toward Olli. Christian needs to learn to trust. He couldn't trust Gregor to still love him after he came out and he couldn't trust Coco to be happy with him. And now he can't trust Olli to not demote him in his affections. Actually there is a bit of writing continuity, in terms of character, it's just never been this exaggerated before, and never outweighed the good aspects of Christian's character. This SL reminds me of when Olivia burnt all Coco's records so her DJ dreams were temporarily crushed and instead of being understanding of her predicament he was outraged because after all, she still had *him*!!! (lucky girl ) and the poky little flatshare. What more could she want!!!?? a waitressing job at NLs, so they could spend even more time attached at the hip?!?! Rob's right, Christian is a clingy boyfriend. Olli can't disappear from behind the bar NLs for two seconds without Christian fervently asking Miriam "where has he got to?!?!?" How dare he move from under Christian's nose!!! TRUST!!! it's not that hard Christian. Olli extended it to you, in order for you to pursue your dreams... don't be an idiot and push him away. Anyway - all of this just made me realise Olli should never, ever suggest adoption. I can only imagine how Christian's brain would explode with jealousy if Olli opened his heart to another person and extended their family.
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Post by mitsaso on Apr 24, 2010 10:26:02 GMT -5
Christian is a clingy boyfriend and we all know that.
If Christian was clingy with YOU guys, would you REALLY mind? ;D
I'm trying to put myself in Olli's shoes for that last episode... the very second Christian decides to stay inside and becomes all jealous and bitchy, I'd find it so cute that I'd shoo Rob out of the house and have my way with the jealous BF ;D
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 24, 2010 13:17:47 GMT -5
Christian is a clingy boyfriend and we all know that. If Christian was clingy with YOU guys, would you REALLY mind? ;D I'm trying to put myself in Olli's shoes for that last episode... the very second Christian decides to stay inside and becomes all jealous and bitchy, I'd find it so cute that I'd shoo Rob out of the house and have my way with the jealous BF ;D I know right.... Mitsaso, you always speak the truth!!!!!
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Post by minni2009 on Apr 24, 2010 13:24:41 GMT -5
If Christian was clingy with YOU guys, would you REALLY mind? ;D Yes!!!!
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Post by matte on Apr 24, 2010 13:57:20 GMT -5
yes, Olli was wrong with christian, in the apartment, but i loved very much to see him put in the shoes of christian: it was time! poor olli, poor chris... i'm only on Chrolli side...
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Post by luckycharm on Apr 24, 2010 15:03:05 GMT -5
Christian is a clingy boyfriend and we all know that. If Christian was clingy with YOU guys, would you REALLY mind? ;D I'm trying to put myself in Olli's shoes for that last episode... the very second Christian decides to stay inside and becomes all jealous and bitchy, I'd find it so cute that I'd shoo Rob out of the house and have my way with the jealous BF ;D Looks and hawtness wears off as the predominant factor, esp. after two years. Then, unlike those of us who *wish* for some Christian because we've yet to have him (hence, he's still a fantasy), for Olli, who has had it, and has been having it, for a while, other stuff will start to take precedence (reality). Like his boyfriend's faith and trust (respect) in him - which is smashed to bits when jealous clinginess enters the equation. Jealous clinginess is awesome to see from the outside, in a *fans self at the macho man claiming what's his, cue Harlequin romance* way...but in reality, it is a character flaw. One that should not be encouraged. It's controlling behaviour, no, no, in a romantic relationship, imo. PS - I know you were being kinda tongue-in-cheek with it...so...
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 24, 2010 15:11:39 GMT -5
^ Take a look at the ep where Christian pushes Rob back into the plush chair. I'm going to get flamed for saying this...but i think olli gets a little kick out of jealous christian...there was something in his face at that moment that was a really interesting combination of affronted, worshipful, angry and turned on. ....
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Post by ivaniv on Apr 24, 2010 15:18:42 GMT -5
Yes, he's a bit clingy, but he decided to stay only after he heard they would be together alone in the WG. He's OK when they are downstairs in NL, I guess. But after he had heard they were staying and after Ropp had openly told him he was going to get Olli, he must have thought the moment he'd close the door Ropp would be all over Olli like an octopus. Also there was a kiss Olli never told him about, Rebecca had to have one of her moments for Christian to find out. What would Olli not tell him next? So yes, he's a bit down on trust atm.
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Post by SF on Apr 24, 2010 15:40:09 GMT -5
yes but what i'm saying is, he understands that HIS kiss with rebecca was a mistake, and he's even made the comparison between the two when olli said about how nice it was someone was paying him attention for once (this is the one line i do think olli doled out crappily). he said "i understand better than you think." from a non emotional point of view, he is quite aware of the fact that, as was the case with him and rebecca, olli does not want to eff rob as soon as his back is turned. despite the fact they kissed. christian does not (at the moment) want to eff rebecca. BUT even though he knows this, and expects olli to understand it as the case between him and rebecca, he is letting his insecurities get the better of him. he isn't stepping back and analysing his own behaviour. when christian kissed miriam, olli took some time to think about how to react, he stalled his reaction effectively, and then heard christian out - and decided to forgive him and leave it behind. and he did, he got over it - even though it obviously plays into his subconscious still. he doesn't storm out of the flatshare over it. christian listened to olli about the rob kiss, but he only did this because of his own guilt over kissing rebecca. he hasn't on any level dealt with the issue of the rolli kiss. he needs to back off and think, instead of alternate between his regular two settings, aggressive and passive aggressive. with clingy thrown in on the side. he's not going to konnigsbrunn to get space and work out what he wants to do, he's acting this way to punish olli, because his pride is hurt and he's afraid of what rob will do with olli. if he removes emotions, and did not let rob affect him he would see how he is pushing olli away. and he would see that he can trust olli. when you keep insisting your partner has a flaw that makes it difficult for you to accept them - and you insist it to the point that you're ready to walk out over it - often you got your own point proved, even if there was no risk of this before. the more he makes rob into a threat in his head, and the more he expresses this to olli, the more of a threat rob becomes. that's why he's an idiot for me at the moment. he needs a slap round the back of the head, then a hug, and then some sane advice from someone other than rebecca (or the equally involved david). he needs judith. what was it she told him; "anyone can see that olli loves only you"??! something like that... it's like he's worked himself into a pointless tizz and there's no one to save him from himself. cos he won't take it off olli.
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Post by lyddy3 on Apr 24, 2010 15:47:04 GMT -5
^ Take a look at the ep where Christian pushes Rob back into the plush chair. I'm going to get flamed for saying this...but i think olli gets a little kick out of jealous christian...there was something in his face at that moment that was a really interesting combination of affronted, worshipful, angry and turned on. .... Yes, definitely. As much as he is annoyed at Christian for what he is doing, you can see from his face that in some way he kind of likes it. A think there is a little satisfaction there knowing that Christian is jealous of other guys. He doesn't like the lack of trust, but at the same time it reinforces how much Christian cares for him, that he would be driven to that to protect his Olli-bear Ok who first called him Olli-bear (or something similar?). Because at the moment I can't stop saying it... And Christian is clingy, but until the last couple of episodes I don't think it is bad clingy. If he saw Olli all the time, and still got pissy about him spending time with Ropp, it would be less understandable. But because he feels he has to fight for time with Olli, it comes off clingy, when really he has less time with Olli than ever before. Plus, I know going out with someone clingy can be really annoying, but Christian is so cute. I kind of think he is a bit in awe of Olli, when he looks at him sometimes it is like he can't quite believe that Olli is his and that he gets to be with him. I think that makes the whole thing worse ---> 'Am I not good enough for him anymore?'
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 24, 2010 16:22:54 GMT -5
^ There have been inklings of this before, yes? like when Christian was frustrated right after the miriam kiss, and goes to work on his punching bag. Judith confronts him about it and she says come on Olli's cool - or something like that and Christian finally grumbles "And I am not." hmm when you look back and these connections start happening, you have to wonder, is it intentional by feiler or a happy accident. That's maybe the first instance of Christian's "Am I good enough" insecurity. Olli is there with his successful bar, with his laissez faire attitude, and poor Chrissie must feel like a weak hearted provincial. The current storyline is now bringing that fear RIGHT to the forefront like it's bringing Olli's, does he want women fear to the forefront. ::ponder ponder::
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 24, 2010 16:25:22 GMT -5
Jealous clinginess is awesome to see from the outside, in a *fans self at the macho man claiming what's his, cue Harlequin romance* way...but in reality, it is a character flaw. One that should not be encouraged. It's controlling behaviour, no, no, in a romantic relationship, imo. Meh... it has a time and place. My bf is so flirty that he makes Olli look like carrion. I mean, he'd flirt with lint. Though I'm never really worried, I do have a reaction when some guy gets too close: I puff up my chest, casually paw at my bf, interrupt with a sarcastic remark (totally ooc, I know), step between them just to move to the other side of my guy, and generally define my territory. Not all the time; just when a guy gets the wrong idea - and I swear when that happens I can smell it, almost taste it on his breath. And I think Christian is the same. He wasn't jealous of Rob when they first met; he had no problem with Olli going out all night with Rob before the dressage exam. But when Rob put his hands on Olli... BOOM. He could sense Rob's interest in Olli and he was right. So I don't think it's necessarily clingy or a character flaw. I think it's an early warning system. ^ Take a look at the ep where Christian pushes Rob back into the plush chair. I'm going to get flamed for saying this...but i think olli gets a little kick out of jealous christian...there was something in his face at that moment that was a really interesting combination of affronted, worshipful, angry and turned on. .... Totally agree; I saw that too. And if I could give any advice to Christian it would probably be: stop with the pissy - just sling Olli over your shoulder and drag him to the back of the cave and commence with the rutting. The look on Olli's face in the moment you describe tells me he'd like it. Even the shadows on the walls of the cave won't mind. Big brains and fancy thinking are nice, but sometimes the caveman - or eine mächtige Silberrücken - knows best.
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