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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 9, 2010 8:14:00 GMT -5
MercuryMay - The dreamkiss is a definate favorite of mine.. so incredibly raw!! Mmmmm. It was my avatar-gif for a long time.
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 9, 2010 8:20:12 GMT -5
MercuryMay - The dreamkiss is a definate favorite of mine.. so incredibly raw!! Mmmmm. It was my avatar-gif for a long time. Believe me, I know! I might have caught myself staring at your avatar once or twice...
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Post by rosebud on Apr 9, 2010 8:22:43 GMT -5
I woke up this morning with a bit of a revelation. It's not the Chribecca kiss that concerns me now but Christian's reaction at the end when Olli tells him "you are the love of my life." Christian's response is, "I love you too." I had a flash back to early in their relationship when Olli told Christian he loved him and the response was something like, "I…..too." Or, when they were jogging and Olli again told Christian he loved him and the response from Christian was, "you make me so happy." Call me nuts but if someone declares to me that I am the love of his life, my reaction (particularly given we're trying to get back together) would be somewhat more enthusiastic then a simple, "me too." Others have posted that the writers "owe" us for the prolonged kiss. What I would really like to see is a passionate and definitive statement from Christian to Olli that he is the love of Christian's life and he wants no one else. Right now, given Christian'sw response, I'm having a hard time believing that Christian feels the same and can't see himself with someone else.
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Post by I ♥ Blaine on Apr 9, 2010 8:33:38 GMT -5
MercuryMay - The dreamkiss is a definate favorite of mine.. so incredibly raw!! Mmmmm. It was my avatar-gif for a long time. Believe me, I know! I might have caught myself staring at your avatar once or twice... Haha, I am honored. I will probably go back to it soon. I have often caught myself getting lost in it for way too long and then thinking "I think it's time to rewatch the clip it is in." I believe it happens in clip 25 or 26. ;D
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Post by mycatfox on Apr 9, 2010 8:59:46 GMT -5
MercuryMay - The dreamkiss is a definate favorite of mine.. so incredibly raw!! Mmmmm. It was my avatar-gif for a long time. And your present avatar made me laugh my ass off! It's incredibly funny ;D
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Post by dalphine on Apr 9, 2010 9:05:16 GMT -5
We should all know that Olli is the love of Chrisitan life, he stated that in front of the world when he said the love of his life when he won that boxing match. We know how jealous he gets when he thinks anyone is trying to take Olli love from him. Every body shows there emotions in different ways,
You could tell on Christian face that he regret what he had done. I'm liking the storyline a lot for one thing it keeps our favorite couple on the front burner, and that's what I'm interested in and I think the writing is great. I don't feel sorry for Rebecca or Rob because they know there trying to come between Christian and Olli and how much Chrolli is in love with each other. So if they get hurt in the end it's there fault for trying to come between my favorite couple.
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 9, 2010 9:41:24 GMT -5
I was pretty pissed yesterday when I saw that kiss play out. I really didn't think it was going to be so long and ongoing for 16 seconds. Weird... cuz I have two stopwatches, one analog, one digital, plus a Rolex and they all came up with +/- 15 3/100 seconds for the kiss. And it can't just be my batteries because the Rolex is self-winding and like many I've been running around hysterically waving my hands in the air ever since the Christian-Rebecca kiss, so I know it's as wound up as I am. I wonder if we're timing the same kiss. And I'm right there with you on the stubble silliness. I've been with my boyfriend for years and years (and years) and he STILL bitches about mine. And let me tell you, it's a headache for me because I can shave at 7am and have nice (well, if you like that sorta thing) 5 o'clock shadow by lunchtime. Can't wait till morning so I can bring him here and show him how silly he's being for not liking stubble. Sheesh... he acts just like a straight guy. ;D oh you ARE bad ;D
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 9, 2010 9:56:35 GMT -5
Christian has always been more about the actions than the words, and Olli has always been the more verbally demonstrative one. Christian's lack of epic proclaiming doesn't worry me in the least because it's just not his style. He is more apt to pay olli a complement or say something that is in the constellation of I love you. Maybe it's just personal taste, but I kind of distrust it if someone has to tell me over and over again "I love you" you don't always have to hear the word, to know the feeling.
mercurymay EFFING brilliant post my dear.
Yes yes yes, you can already see that Christian is a little disgusted with himself and NONE of it is out of concern for Rebecca, it's all out of concern for Olli, even poor david comes second. I was also thinking too that this Kiss is a little bit like the Olli Coco kiss, where it is absolutely nothing for Olli, and that never changes. Take a look back, and i swear you see the same dynamic. Mariengela looks like she's swoooning hard core, and Jo looks invested, but not nearly as much as she is.
I think we can all agree, or at least I've decided we can all agree, that the bulk of Christian's actions are being driven by his insane jealousy. It's just that usually we're used to seeing Christian's jealousy manifest in violence. Olli takes great pains to reassure him and the threat to his mate is averted. But this time Rob is a persistent and real threat to the relationship and it is slowly driving Christian INSANE. So this is a different kind of threat, and he's going for a different, and potentially more injurious tactic. If he could only recognize the orgasms spice that rob could bring to their relationship... mmm ChrollBert... triumverate of sexy....
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Post by Bonobochick on Apr 9, 2010 9:56:56 GMT -5
Moderator Postand... Please, please, please, do not go down this road of speculation. It is entirely unprovable by any of you and your "feelings" that you're right are not based on any factual evidence. This type of speculation is unpleasant and unnecessary and inappropriate in my opinion. I find it offensive. To me it's the exact same thing as saying that Neil Patrick Harris must have looked at his male co-star too long because he's gay. You may PM bonobochick if you have a problem with this post as my feelings on this subject are perfectly clear. Thank you. I think we're in agreement on the subject, Tihkon2. Folks don't have to like the kiss but let's have some perspective on it. Seriously.
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Post by MercuryMay on Apr 9, 2010 10:21:13 GMT -5
Haha, I am honored. I will probably go back to it soon. I have often caught myself getting lost in it for way too long and then thinking "I think it's time to rewatch the clip it is in." I believe it happens in clip 25 or 26. ;D Yep, definetly clip 25 – not that I´m obsessed or something And as long as we´re making requests about the kind of kisses we´d like to see or about how long we´d like the kisses to be... *hint hint hint * (THAT kind of kiss is something I wouldn´t mind seeing in the near future...) dalphine, you´re right, he stated it in front of the world – thanks for reminding us. And rosebud, I agree: If somebody tells you you´re the love of his life, you might want to react with a little more enthusiasm. But Christian does have something to confess. Might be more honest to share that information before you offer heartfelt declerations of love. For me his reaction was very much in character. mercurymay EFFING brilliant post my dear. Awww. Now I feel honored, such high praise coming from you. Thank you, darling!
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Post by favoritetree on Apr 9, 2010 10:23:05 GMT -5
I agree with the above posts about bringing personal opinions on the actors into the discussion. But someone is responsible for the episode and that's the director. The first time viewer looking at the Christian Rebecca kiss would say...they are both into this. It is way off balance to the actual storyline.
I think Miriam and David are doing very fine work. And (getting personal) Jo Weil has really got Olli down well. Super job.
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:34:19 GMT -5
oh tkat - what i wouldn't give to see chrolli+OldRob. i actually think all THREE of them have great chemistry. rob and olli have out of this world chemistry, it lights up the screen.. but i think christian and rob have good chemistry as well, sparring chemistry. i genuinely believe they have these strong, violent feelings toward eachother. imagine if christian shoved rob against a wall, breathless with rage and then ended up giving into rob's silky smooth glare. even imagining that does WAY more for me than the longest chribecca kiss ever could. the first ever gay poly amorous relationship - i would *so* watch that!!
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:35:15 GMT -5
they've got a gem in max - they should hang onto him. he's all kinds of awesome!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 10:35:47 GMT -5
I just like watching the boys kiss and Olli and Rob had a sweet little kiss, I think the reason the Rebecca kiss bothered me the most was the fact that she "dated" Gregor and I'm a little weirded out that she went after Gregor's baby brother (this was another reason i just didn't like Coco because she had slept with Gregor as well, my friend sent me the scenes so I could watch them).
And does anyone else really just want to give David a hug and tell him everything will be okay? He just looks so sad.
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Post by JustaMannsMan on Apr 9, 2010 10:38:46 GMT -5
Christian has always been more about the actions than the words, and Olli has always been the more verbally demonstrative one. Christian's lack of epic proclaiming doesn't worry me in the least because it's just not his style. He is more apt to pay olli a complement or say something that is in the constellation of I love you. Maybe it's just personal taste, but I kind of distrust it if someone has to tell me over and over again "I love you" you don't always have to hear the word, to know the feeling. Agree with the above, but would add: When hiding his love for Olli (in point of fact, because Olli stopped him from coming out) led to his boyfriend getting roughed up and insulted by Wolle, Christian ultimately, rather quickly responded with: "Olli, I hope you know that our relationship is more important to me than my career. If you feel in any way that you can't deal with it, I'll immediately [give it up]." When Christian was down because he'd walked out of the boxing club after the harassment from the other guys, Olli offered his sympathy because he understood that boxing was Christians "big dream." Christian's response: "Boxing isn't everything. If I had to choose between it and you, I wouldn't have to think about it for a single second." Yeah, it's wonderful if your fella speaks "I love you" but to me, his being willing to sacrifice everything that was important to him - his brother's love/respect, his identity, his dream - in favor of love trumps those three little words in every way imaginable. That's not just in the constellation of I love you... It's Full of Stars. *directs t-kat's attention to the bowl of chocolate covered strawberries on the nightstand* Come a little closer and say it with feeling... ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2010 10:39:27 GMT -5
Mercurymay: I'm siding with T-Kat on this, your post was very well thought out and makes a lot of sense. T-Kat: Your posts were brilliant also (sorry I'm just catching up now )
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Post by SF on Apr 9, 2010 10:41:17 GMT -5
eww coco slept with gregor?! how can christian sniff around his big bro's leftovers?! it makes me feel a bit ill thinking about it. and it's not even the good leftovers, like sarah or luise - but coco and rebecca?! is he that enamoured with gregor that he can stomach it?!? only in soapland or jeremy kyle i swear! i still wish christian had had a little thing with olivia, i don't know why. i think it's cos she's the ultimate bad girl and he's the ultimate good boy. bit like grease but in reverse.
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Post by sylstyle on Apr 9, 2010 10:44:32 GMT -5
Ok my turn on the Chribecca kiss ;D First of all I think that first they wanted to make Chris kind of cheat on Olli, you know "the I act first, then I think". but they decided against it, because they didn't want to hurt the fans, so they made the kiss lasts longer, to show us Christian was angry against Olli and how confused he was. Then I'll say that it was aslo maybe to give Rebecca false hope, I mean from her POV. And actually Chris had to fell very bad when Olli said to him that he is the love of life. If he hadn't do anything it would have been less dramatic Sylvain
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Post by rosebud on Apr 9, 2010 11:50:44 GMT -5
Christian has always been more about the actions than the words, and Olli has always been the more verbally demonstrative one. Christian's lack of epic proclaiming doesn't worry me in the least because it's just not his style. He is more apt to pay olli a complement or say something that is in the constellation of I love you. Maybe it's just personal taste, but I kind of distrust it if someone has to tell me over and over again "I love you" you don't always have to hear the word, to know the feeling. Normally, I would agree but these are special circumstances. Firstly, this is a make-up or break-up situation. Secondly, Christian realizes he's made a terrible mistake with Rebecca. So, as other posters note, while Christian is less effusive with his words of love there is a time and place. That was NOW.
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Post by lizg12 on Apr 9, 2010 21:06:10 GMT -5
PPS. I have touched the stubble...Thore must have VERY sensitive skin... cause Jo's scruff is SOFT like BUTTAH. so the mystery continues... true, but if it's like my hubby's scruff (and I can't believe I'm admitting this ) but the shorter it is, the scratchier it is, then it gets long enough to be soft. Maybe Thore's talking about a shorter Jo-scruff?
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Post by thunderkat on Apr 10, 2010 2:31:26 GMT -5
^Hmm, looking at the pic, it was actually short scruff!! that tears it. Jo is simply magical. much like you my dear
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Post by Nitty on Apr 10, 2010 2:59:40 GMT -5
OMG, Leute!
I was watching random old VL clips (danke Ivan) and I realized that the hideous outfit that Ms. Delusional Rebecca finally settled on for her "date" w/ Christian, was the same monstrosity she was wearing when Gregor dumped her ass! ;D
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Post by SF on Apr 10, 2010 5:25:51 GMT -5
she really is a crazy bitch. of all the outfits to pick...
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Post by brownsugar on Apr 10, 2010 15:53:51 GMT -5
Yesterday I wanted to justify what I posted about the Chribecca kiss, but was out of town. Today I wanted to add a few more thoughts.
First, I want to clarify that I have complete respect for Thore the actor. From seeing him a couple of weeks ago and hearing all the positive feedback from fans...this is a really nice guy. And from reading and seeing his given interviews it is apparent that Thore is a very professional actor. He has never disrespected this storyline, his character or said anything hurtful about him being straight and having to kiss another man. The worst and only thing Thore has really commented on is the stubble problem, which is a nothing issue. I would go as far to say he is one of the coolest straight men to ever play a gay role.
My grievance is with the way the Christian and Rebecca kiss was filmed. The length and passion of it was completely unnecessary. It could easily have been a few seconds with David suddenly interrupting and would still have carried the same weight and consequent of a 15 second make out session. And you can't really argue with the many fans who are so very upset at seeing this when contrasted with Rob's kiss with Olli being 3-4 seconds. Plus, to add insult to injury the last two years, Olli and Christian's kisses have been neither as lenghy or sensual like Chribecca's lip lock at the end of Thursday's episode.
I am completely aware that Thore does has Thore is instructed by the VL crew. I don't have an issue with Thore, its the VL writers who deliberately wrote the kiss this way with Thore and Jasmine executing it has written. This makes it all the more upsetting to me that the double standard was so blatant.
Someone wrote earlier it was like a slap in the face to the many devoted fans...I totally agree.
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Post by irinobabe on Apr 10, 2010 16:37:57 GMT -5
The things is...VL writers don't write for Chrolli fans; they write what they feel will entertain and interest their viewers in Germany. I think they are aware of the international stardom of Chrolli and have catered to those fans by making a soap couple be together monogamously and happily for so long. but if they feel an extended hetero kiss with a female lead will build drama and interest for the audience so they tune in to what happens next and thus grow the soap's viewership, the writers/directors/producers/editors will do just that. We view Chrolli's story from our fandom lens but in the big picture they are but parts of a bigger puzzle.
The audience has seen Olli and Christian kiss many, many times. But the buildup to Rebecca/Christian kiss has been long and drawn out, and it is the FIRST between them (and here's praying, last). Dramatically, it would make no sense for them to do a three second peck. What's the effect of a 3 second kiss? Well, Olli's kiss with Rebecca and Christian's kiss with Miriam was glossed over in 2 minutes of show. sorry, sorry, it didn't mean anything, ok I forgive you, lets all be friends again. Olli's kiss with Rob was big because of how much Rob and Christian hated each other and were fighting for Olli; Rebecca's kiss with Christian had to be big because the fallout has to meaningful and emotional and heart-wrenching later on to get ready for more angst and drama. It didn't make it any easier to stomach, but there was a dramatic purpose for it.
The emotional roller coaster has been sooooo entertaining; makes you want to throw stuff at the screen or make you say blech or Gah or Awwwww....and you can't stop watching to find out what happens next...which is exactly the point of a soap.
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