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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2010 3:50:58 GMT -5
Rumor... According to an original script "Luke lets out a scream of anguish." while mourning Reid. It's not known if it made it into the show. This is a joke, right? Right? Did ATWT set out to write its own parody of a greek tragedy on speed or something? How else does Luke get power of attorney? and potentially pull the plug on Reid? Does Luke get power of attorney? I didn't hear that before! Now THAT'S a storyline! I couldn’t immediately tell if you were being serious or sarcastic, and that may be why I enjoyed your post so much. ;D I have to hand it to ATWT though, it's going to be another amazing ride.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 28, 2010 5:59:30 GMT -5
Rumor... According to an original script "Luke lets out a scream of anguish." while mourning Reid. It's not known if it made it into the show. This is a joke, right? Right? Did ATWT set out to write its own parody of a greek tragedy on speed or something? Does Luke get power of attorney? I didn't hear that before! Now THAT'S a storyline! I couldn’t immediately tell if you were being serious or sarcastic, and that may be why I enjoyed your post so much. ;D I have to hand it to ATWT though, it's going to be another amazing ride. Being serious on both counts. Mourning: I hope that Van doesn't play it that way but it's supposedly in the original script. Power of Attorney: Totally serious. Hopefully it won't be as bad as it sounds.
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Post by Brechtje on Aug 28, 2010 7:36:12 GMT -5
Rumor... According to an original script "Luke lets out a scream of anguish." while mourning Reid. It's not known if it made it into the show. This is a joke, right? Right? Did ATWT set out to write its own parody of a greek tragedy on speed or something? Does Luke get power of attorney? I didn't hear that before! Now THAT'S a storyline! I couldn’t immediately tell if you were being serious or sarcastic, and that may be why I enjoyed your post so much. ;D I have to hand it to ATWT though, it's going to be another amazing ride.[/quote] No, I meant that, not sarcastic . Reid just dying would be so easy, but giving Luke power of attorney would make it way more interesting. Seeing Luke struggle with the decision and all, that must be interesting to watch AND must be a storyline on which Van can get an emmy!!
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Post by md1347 on Aug 28, 2010 11:10:52 GMT -5
I can already start listing off how dumb this storyline has become and probably will continue but I guess that's just me. I think it's a shame they had almost a year to write this end and this is what it's coming down too.
Oh well. I hope at least Nuke will get a good 16th. I hear it will be sweet but with no resolution as Noah heads off to L.A. and Luke, well, back to his parents house. I believe we are suppose to think they could, in the future, get back together. Wow, what luck for us Nuke fans.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 28, 2010 14:15:27 GMT -5
From today's SOC spoilers ... Well, there we have it.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 28, 2010 14:27:33 GMT -5
Let me see here, they couldn't let Luke and Reid be together, but they can pair up Roseanna and Craig at the last minute, despite all of the bad things that Craig has done to Roseanna and her entire family. They are also going to reunite the toxic pairing that is Lilly and Holden.
The resolution is that they will be friends, but not romantically involved. That is an ending.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 28, 2010 15:03:54 GMT -5
Right now, there are rumours everywhere. I read that it will be a secret appareance in the last episode, some people think it'll be Noah, some people think it'll be ghost Reid, i think probably noone of them. It's pretty clear that the show wanted to end with a splash and they think their better opportunities to get an emmy nomination are Eric and Van, so this it'll be melodramatic in a soapy way. They really never care for Nuke fans, so why they would care for LuRe fans? Yep, this is all about getting an Emmy, and I really hope it doesn't pan out, but it probably will. Emmy voters are those who work in the industry, and they don't have time to watch the whole show, so they will be moved by the scenes and episodes that are put up for consideration. Add to that that Van, but especially Eric, has been in the soap press a lot lately talking about this, so that will work in Goutman's favor. I hope some of the press speaks up about how odd it is that the gay characters are the only ones who aren't getting a happy ending, and that the show even brought characters on at the last minute to pair them up with key core characters.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 28, 2010 15:48:59 GMT -5
The emmy didn't pan out for Terri (Katie) when Brad died.
Another rumor/spumor.. Luke will listens to Reid's heart beating in Chris's chest with (possibly Reid's) stethoscope in the last show.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 28, 2010 15:55:09 GMT -5
From VH.net.... Posted by Eldarion Aug 28 2010, 03:24 PM
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Post by md1347 on Aug 29, 2010 9:01:21 GMT -5
Well, there's two options, or they did this for the emmys or they are really homophobic, because none of the three gay characters end well the show (and that it's a big contrast with all the straight characters and their happy endings). I think if Van is nominated (and it's a big if) he will get a lot of possibilities to win, he deserved the award in his first nomination, Luke is a groundbreaking character and the academy usually have some problems to give the award to this kind of characters till the actor gets nominated a lot of times (like Eden Riegel) It's very possible that Luke and Noah's goodbye scene could win an emmy. I hear it's suppose to be a real tear jerker.
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Post by anthonyl on Aug 29, 2010 10:20:25 GMT -5
Well we haven't seen any of the upcoming scenes yet, but so far, that scene with Reid the night of Noah's surgery is his best work this year. There's nothing else that comes close. He got lots of acclaim and notice for those scenes.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 29, 2010 11:14:31 GMT -5
Ultimately, this whole thing isn't a Luke and Reid's love story. It's a Reid, I've become human story. It's Reid who's been the center of everything since he came on the scene. Luke is only around to prop him up and well, Noah's just been MIA this whole time.
It's not a love story because we've barely seen any love. Just some glances and kisses every so often to keep people interested. I have no doubt that they do have some love but come on, to only show it in the last 2-3 weeks Reid is alive and 2 days before Reid gets into his accident they finally tell each other that they are in love. You can't deny that the storyline has really sucked and looks to get worse at the end.
Ultimately, everyone is a pawn to Chris and Katie's happiness while the gays get nothing but tragedy. Noah and Nuke were used as a pawn to get Reid and Luke together for the summer of nothing. Luke is a pawn to Reid and follows him around trying fix him while his life basically doesn't exist outside of Reid and then Reid proves he is human after all and Reid and LuRe are sacrificed for the straight couple Chris and Katie's happiness. The End.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 29, 2010 11:33:50 GMT -5
Noah and Nuke were used as a pawn to get Reid and Luke together for the summer of nothing. Luke is a pawn to Reid and follows him around trying fix him while his life basically doesn't exist outside of Reid and then Reid proves he is human after all and Reid and LuRe are sacrificed for the straight couple Chris and Katie's happiness. Something about that assertion doesn't sit right with me. By that same standard, Luke was a pawn to Noah for a long time. He's doing the same with Reid as he did with Noah for ages. In other words, it's nothing specific to the story with Reid, it's just been Luke's personality for much of the last 3 years. That's the writer's fault for not having him actually follow through with anything else he does . They only bring up the Foundation when it suits them, even though he hasn't touched it at all since almost the Brian storyline almost 2 years ago. And does he actually run Damian's business anymore? Whatever happened to that? I agree with the Chris and Katie aspect, though. It doesn't hold any interest for me .
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 29, 2010 11:57:10 GMT -5
Luke was at the hospital on Thursday for a business meeting. Maybe on the final episode they will reveal what Luke plans to do with his life. I think it would be a good idea to have him continue the work that he has been doing with the hospital, and carry it over to helping other hospitals. The writers haven't planted the seeds for him to do anything else.
Noah has been a prop in almost every storyline that he has ever been a part of, so it's no surprise that he was used as a prop in this one. I think the storyline has been about Luke and Reid, but the majority of the focus has been on Reid, and his story arc. I think the show took a sudden left turn, but only in the last few weeks, and has put the focus on Chris and Katie, but based on the spoilers that were released yesterday, Luke and Reid's relationship will again be the focus on the final episodes that Reid will be in.
But, even though the focus has been put on Chris and Katie, their relationship was not developed as thoughtfully and thoroughly as Reid and Luke's, so the whole direction of this storyline will seem weird and upside down. Given that aspect, it will be hard for Reid and his relationship with Luke, not to be seen as the main "characters" when this storyline ends.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 29, 2010 12:03:26 GMT -5
Noah and Nuke were used as a pawn to get Reid and Luke together for the summer of nothing. Luke is a pawn to Reid and follows him around trying fix him while his life basically doesn't exist outside of Reid and then Reid proves he is human after all and Reid and LuRe are sacrificed for the straight couple Chris and Katie's happiness. Something about that assertion doesn't sit right with me. By that same standard, Luke was a pawn to Noah for a long time. He's doing the same with Reid as he did with Noah for ages. In other words, it's nothing specific to the story with Reid, it's just been Luke's personality for much of the last 3 years. That's the writer's fault for not having him actually follow through with anything else he does . They only bring up the Foundation when it suits them, even though he hasn't touched it at all since almost the Brian storyline almost 2 years ago. And does he actually run Damian's business anymore? Whatever happened to that? I agree with the Chris and Katie aspect, though. It doesn't hold any interest for me . I've always viewed Noah being a pawn for Luke. Noah had a few things like his Father but most of the time, it was Luke's issues that the couple was caught up into.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 30, 2010 19:43:05 GMT -5
Head Writer Jean Passanante previewed the shows end and it's final sweeps: Luke has to do a lot of 'growing up' after Reid's horrible accident. Oh, I hope he grows up a bit, even if he does so by himself.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 30, 2010 21:16:58 GMT -5
Head Writer Jean Passanante previewed the shows end and it's final sweeps: Luke has to do a lot of 'growing up' after Reid's horrible accident. Oh, I hope he grows up a bit, even if he does so by himself. You know it's bad when Casey Hughes has more ambition than Luke Snyder does.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 31, 2010 14:52:10 GMT -5
Tomorrow's preview
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 31, 2010 17:30:22 GMT -5
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 31, 2010 17:48:18 GMT -5
I appreciate that Reid wants to make sure Noah's eyesight continues to prosper.
But I do think it's unrealistic for him to act as if nothing happened. Noah is a person. He's a human being. He's in love with Luke. Whether we like that or not, that is a fact about the character. I know Reid's actions are MOSTLY honorable but I also think he knows that Noah still wants Luke and given what he knows about Noah, I don't think he actually expected Noah would be all "Hey, love you Reid thanks so much".
Noah is normally gracious and grateful with good manners. But I think Reid and Luke are expecting too much if they think he's just going to treat Reid like he's just his "Dr."
He's stubborn, bull-headed and has a bad temper. I think he loves as hard as he fumes. It's a shame because I think he and Reid could have actually been friends and lord knows Noah needs more grown men in his life who aren't psychos.
Unfortunately, whether he made a move or not, Reid had his eye on Luke from (as he said) the second time he saw him. There is no way that that fact didn't impact his behavior toward Luke and Noah while Noah was blind and in his care. I don't blame Reid for his feelings but I COMPLETELY understand why Noah is angry.
Yes, they were broken up by the time the surgery actually happened. But they were not broken up with Reid first met them and it was about 2 months into his treating Noah before Noah even moved out.
Being blind and vulnerable and more scared and feeling more alone then he ever has, Noah was in no condition to "fight" for Luke while he was trying to deal with the fact that he might never see again and it's so sad that they stretched the surgery out for months and months because a triangle of a SEEING Noah and Luke and Reid would have been a totally different story.
Instead, the very first time Noah sees Luke for real (non-blurry), he's making out with his doctor.
If that's not a shock to someone's sense of security, I don't know what is.
So while we were watching Luke and Reid get closer (ahem), Noah was literally and figuratively blind to what was happening. It's just so ridiculous. Sigh...
Anyway, I'm not coming down on Reid. Like I said, I think he is genuine. But I think Noah has every reason to FEEL betrayed and frustrated and angry (which are not about logic, but emotions).
Noah never had a chance (in his eyes) to make amends for what he thinks he did wrong towards Luke while he was suffering with his blindness. It's obviously something he regrets deeply and having Reid sauntering up to him offering him help, really doesn't, help.
It's strange to me that folks want to treat Luke and his feelings with such care and such kid gloves (and rightly so most of the time) but because he's not as emotional and dare I say it "Hyper sensitive" in the expression of his emotions, folks act as though Noah has no feelings.
So unfair. But it is what it is. The end of an era is nigh. Sigh.
Shallow Note That was a whole lot of pretty on that screen. Just seeingLuke and Reid and Noah all in one scene in Java makes me wistful about what could have been in a non P&G controlled world.
ON A SIDE NOTE For one of my freelance jobs this and next week, I have to research the life of Irna Phillips (Creator of ATWT) hows THAT for a bizarre and strange coincidence.
Are there even any spoilers left? What other possible "surprises" could they even have? LOL
Thanks for the preview video.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 31, 2010 18:00:36 GMT -5
I think Reid realizes that this is an awkward situation, but he also realizes that Noah just had brain surgery a few months ago, and because of the situation with Luke, and because Noah doesn't have any health insurance, it's unlikely that he's received any follow-up treatment since he fired Reid from being his doctor.
Noah is hurting, most of the pain is his own doing, but still, he needs to put his health before his pride. Reid isn't looking for a thank you, I doubt that any of his patients truly appreciate what he does for them, what he wants is for Noah to realize that he needs to keep seeing a doctor in order to make sure that everything is okay.
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 31, 2010 18:14:22 GMT -5
I doubt Reid's patients don't appreciate him. Why in the world would you think that? There is no evidence of that on the show. People don't appreciate the way Reid treats other human beings but that doesn't mean they don't appreciate his skills as a surgeon. I'm absolutely certain Noah appreciates everything Reid did for him (he said so repeatedly before and after his surgery to Reid). That doesn't change the fact that he's hurting and Reid and Luke together is ONE source of that pain. Since when is "it's your own fault" an excuse for not having compassion for a soap character in pain. 3/4 of the crap Luke has gone through was his own fault but he always gets loads of sympathy when his schemes or antics backfire. Every mess Carly, Lily, Meg, Holden, Katie, et all have ever been in is because of their own doing. These are soap characters. They are all riddled with flaws and bad decision making skills. My point is, there are conflicting emotions going on in Noah right now (COMPLETELY JUSTIFIABLE) and anyone in his situation would feel the same way. Reid's behavior gets him in trouble just as much as his skills get him praise but no one every says "Well, he brought that lawsuit on himself by not treating the dead girl's parents with more compassion". Letting the man beat him up a year later isn't exactly the same thing. As even Luke pointed out, had Reid been more compassionate in his treatment of the parents (despite his apparently excellent medical treatment of the child) he might have saved himself a hearing. Even if you are a brilliant surgeon, it DOES matter how you treat other healthcare professionals and patients. Obviously we are supposed to believe that Luke is teaching this to Reid (LOL) Anyway, I think Reid being a good doctor has never been a question (at least not in my mind and certainly not in that of the character himself). It's his human being skills that he has MAJOR issues with and it's not always cute or endearing the way Reid treats people. It's often funny and I do love the character. But I also wonder that he doesn't get slapped, punched and beat down on a weekly basis (not that I'd want him to but just cuz his mouth is out of control most of the time) Reid could have just given the information to Luke and Luke could have relayed it to Noah (if he was really that concerned about Noah's follow-up treatment). But since they are fictional and we can't REALLY know what his motivations were beyond the obvious, I'm just going to leave it that we'll agree to disagree in our interpretations. ;D
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 31, 2010 19:05:08 GMT -5
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Reid said that his patients never smile when they see him. Usually he's telling them something that they don't want to hear. I don't think most people in the real world appreciate their doctors, at least not until they need them. Take Noah, when he couldn't see he had a great appreciation for Reid, but after he woke up from his surgery, he really stopped listening to Reid, because he felt that everything would be fine. This isn't a knock against Noah, I think a lot of people would have copied his same behavior, even before Noah saw Luke and Reid kissing, he wasn't exactly listening to the things that Reid told him to do, and on the day that he was released from the hospital, Noah was being very impatient, and a jerk, but Reid was incredibly patient. Like I said, I think a lot of patients act the same way, they view the doctor as doing his or her job, and the patients really don't want to have to see a doctor, so it's common to forget that doctors are people to.
I wanted to add that except for the night before his surgery that Noah has never taken responsibility for the role that he played in his breakup with Luke. He can't even remember that he and Luke were not together when Reid and Luke started to get closer, so I really doubt that Noah would have made any effort to make up for anything that he did to Luke. Once Noah got his eyesight back, he did what he always does, he decided that everything was perfect again, so he was ready to get back together with Luke, and he fully expected Luke to still be waiting for him. There is no rule that says that Luke has to give Noah a chance to win him back. Luke is allowed to move on with his life, and Noah should do the same.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 31, 2010 19:12:10 GMT -5
A one last we hate Noah episode. Oh joy. Everyone is right and Noah is wrong. I wonder why the show hates him (and Jake -- since they are blaming him for his lack of being on the air.) so much?
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 31, 2010 19:34:53 GMT -5
A one last we hate Noah episode. Oh joy. Everyone is right and Noah is wrong. I wonder why the show hates him (and Jake -- since they are blaming him for his lack of being on the air.) so much? Amen brother. I'm not even sure why they keep making Noah come back to get shot down repeatedly. It's ridiculous. But it does prove something I've felt every since Noah was blinded. Some people can ONLY see the show from the perspective of Luke and then Reid. They never actually bother to position themselves inside Noah's experience to see the last 9 months through his perspective. So in the end, he STILL doesn't get to have an inner life outside of how what he says and does effects Luke. It's like folks just have these blinders on. Noah talks but nothing he says registers unless Luke is there to have a reaction to it. I could cry a thousand tears about how wasted Jake is this summer. People talk about these characters like they are real people who will exist beyond the last episode. They won't. If it doesn't happen on screen it ain't gonna happen. "Future" doesn't exist so why bother even having Luke and Noah interacting at the end if they aren't together ON SCREEN? Why bother shoving Luke and Reid together for the last 4 months if they don't get to end up together ON SCREEN? This is one of the reasons I've never read one ounce of fan fiction for any show I've ever watched. People talk about Luke finding himself in the future. There is no future. He ends the series alone, devastated and broken. Noah ends the series alone, devastated and broken. Reid ends the series DEAD. That's it. It's pathetic. And I know I'm repeating myself but it's pathetic. Instead of writing the last year for a show that was ending, ATWT writers chose to write a show as if they have 5 more years of stories to tell with these characters . THEY DON'T. So a storyline that began as EPIC and Groundbreaking (even with crappy writing, plotting, etc) ends in the same tragic lonely gays narrative as every sad movie about "homosexuals" from the 50s and 60s. "People are like Luke and Noah should be apart so they can grow" Grow when? The show is freaking ending. There is no future growth except in people's fanfic and other people's imaginations which does me not one bit of good. UGH!!!!! Every time I think about what's happening with all the other couples on this show and how they are doing all kinds of plot contortions to make sure everyone else ends up happy and coupled and smiling into the sunset I want to projectile vomit in P&G's general direction. The producers of ATWT needs to hang their head in shame. Word.
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