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Post by GayTime on Aug 26, 2010 13:47:53 GMT -5
I think most members of this forum can do without being educated on how they should feel about a fictional situation. Just my $0.02...
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Post by md1347 on Aug 26, 2010 14:08:01 GMT -5
It's curious in terms of character, Noah is the one who has a better end by far (but i really doubt Noah's fans will be happy at all). To be honest, i think all this drama was unnecesary and it's not what the fans wanted. I really hope they did this because they think Van and Eric will recieve an emmy nomination, because if that wasn't the reason... i don't know it just doesn't look good that all straight characters get their happy ending, and all the gay ones get a sad one, because even Noah have a sad ending (yes he'll go to pursue his dream, but without Luke) It's one last cockblock, if you ask me. Actually, it's been discussed for weeks now on other forums, that Noah's the one who actually ends up ahead out of the 3. He won't have Luke but he will follow his dream to be a director in LA. Being a Luke fan too, I think it's sad the way he's going to end up. He's worse off than he was 3 years ago before Noah came into the picture. No dream, no boyfriend and still living with his parents. I don't think the show needed to quite shove it so hard into the face of the Nuke fans. I think that's what's worse. They could have just had Noah go to LA and let that be the end of it, instead they seem to give us one last FU. I just think it's a big waste of time, this ending. They could have come up with something better that made more sense for all three characters.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 26, 2010 14:31:05 GMT -5
To be honest, i think it will be better if they let Noah go months ago. He just didn't take part in the supposed triangle, and let him till the end for just this, is just teasing the fans.
In fact if they let Noah just go to LA months ago, they now could bring him back just for confort Luke, at least they will give the storyline some closure that it won't have the way they actually planned.
And yes, Luke is in a far worse situation now that he was when Noah came to Oakdale. He wanted to be a writer (something that writers seems to ignore), and at the end he will be alone, mourning the lost of Reid, and without Noah as friend. Maybe from the point of view of the actor it could be great, Eric seemed happy with that end (or at least it's what he said), but from the point of view of the fans, it's like a kick on the balls. And Jake doesn't even have that great drama scenes to reward him (and i think he is very concious that his fans won't be happy)
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 26, 2010 14:50:31 GMT -5
I think Luke and Noah will be friends at the end, that's what the TV Guide article was referring to when they used the word rapprochement. We've seen that Noah isn't showing any respect for Luke's relationship with Reid, and that will continue with the episode that airs on Sept. 1st, but I think that Reid's death, of all things, will finally show Noah how much Luke loves Reid, and that, oddly enough, will set the stage for Luke and Noah to become friends again.
Honestly, Noah was written out of the show months ago. For all intents and purposes, Noah played the same role as characters like Lisa, Susan, and other veteran characters who were treated more as foot stools (Eileen Fulton's term) than integral members of the cast.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 15:23:48 GMT -5
I might not be reading properly, but I don’t really see what’s either appalling or extraordinary about that Van quote (I mean, the highlighted sentence). It kind of makes sense to me given what’s shown. It’s not like Luke’s ever had the experience of having a boyfriend who he started falling in love with die before. It is the kind of heartbreaking loss he’s never been through before. There is nothing to fall back on from that end in that relationship after Reid dies, nothing to try to recapture. One thing I can sort of disagree with Van is that I don’t see an extraordinary growth out of Luke as a singular character by the end. He learned to move on, albeit only from one relationship to another, but beyond that, it’s nowhere near where I would have liked the character to end at this point.
Anyway, this all sucks. I don’t know what ATWT was trying to accomplish with this ending, but it’s just sad all around.
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Post by anthonyl on Aug 26, 2010 15:38:57 GMT -5
I actually don't see anything wrong with what Luke is doing. Like it or not, he and Noah ARE broken up. Yes, they still have feelings for each other, but when you are moving on and you have a new relationship, sometimes you have to let go of the old one. Just because you love someone doesn't mean they HAVE to be in your life, especially when it's detrimental to you and the new life you're trying to make. And honestly, Luke SHOULD think about how Reid feels because Reid is the man in Luke's life so he deserves some consideration. Having an old boyfriend hanging around, especially one that still wants you is not something a new beau should have to deal with.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 26, 2010 15:59:49 GMT -5
I don't think that Luke or Reid would have a problem with Noah, if he was going to be supportive of their relationship. The problem is that September 1st will mark at least the fourth time that Luke has told Noah that they are through, and at least the second time that he's told him that he's now with Reid. Noah's refusal to actually listen to and hear what Luke has to say, speaks volumes for how little Noah cares about Luke. It's understandable that he still has feelings for him, but that doesn't give Noah the right to disrespect Luke or his relationship with Reid.
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Post by Zathras on Aug 26, 2010 20:40:43 GMT -5
We've seen that Noah isn't showing any respect for Luke's relationship with Reid, and that will continue with the episode that airs on Sept. 1st Okay, I'll bite. How exactly has Noah been "disrespectful" of Luke and Reid's relationship? IMO: Noah stayed away for months while he knew that Luke and Reid were getting closer. When he came back, he made his "play" for Luke by telling him he wanted him back. He had no way of knowing how close Luke and Reid were at that point, and Luke (understandably) turned him down. He jumped to a conclusion about Reid (when he saw Reid with Chris), and tried to keep Luke from getting hurt. That's not the same as disrespect for LuRe, though it wasn't the most tactful way of going about it. Just my opinion. Noah's refusal to actually listen to and hear what Luke has to say, speaks volumes for how little Noah cares about Luke. Once again we took away different interpretations of what happened. Luke ends up basically where he was 3 years ago. Depressed and living with his parents. It's ironic that Luke was upset that he wouldn't have anyone to love and that's exactly how he ends the show. It's very sad, IMO. Wow, I hadn't thought about it in those terms, but that's quite right. And really sad, too.
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 26, 2010 21:07:08 GMT -5
I think most members of this forum can do without being educated on how they should feel about a fictional situation. Just my $0.02... A FREAKING MEN!! A Thousand Times Over! Seriously! I wish folks would STOP putting words in other folks mouths and stop with fandom baiting. Some of us go to other soap boards and some of us don't but blaming the folks HERE for what fans did or didn't say/do on another board is just crazy. Just once I'd like it if we could manage to talk about what's happening on screen or even in the spoilers without the spiteful conjecture (on all sides) I don't think any of us here have a problem speaking up for ourselves and the opinions of folks who are NOT here at TGODT to speak for themselves are not relevant to this discussion. I've never felt the need to put fans of LURE who hate Noah down in order to express my preference for NUKE and love of Noah and I wish others would do the same. I would also add that many of us who love NUKE and Noah are also fans of Reid as a character unto himself and lumping us all into some "LuRe-Hating" club is inaccurate and unfair.
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 26, 2010 23:34:37 GMT -5
It's fine to have feelings for someone, and want to be with that person, but if they are already in a relationship it's showing respect to keep those feelings to yourself. Luke has told Noah on way too many occasions that they are through, yet Noah acts like he has a hearing problem. He's told him more than once that he is with Reid, but again, Noah doesn't hear him.
The scene next week hasn't aired yet, but based on the spoilers Noah will once again tell Luke that he loves him, and that he wants them to be together. Didn't we just see this the week before last, and Luke didn't not mumble his response to Noah's declarations, he told him straight out that he's with Reid now, so the right thing to do is for Noah to move on. If he wants to continue to be friends with Luke he can't keep pressing him about reuniting, that is not respecting Luke's relationship. Nobody would put up with something like that, or feel that that person is being a true friend.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 27, 2010 6:22:36 GMT -5
Rumor... According to an original script "Luke lets out a scream of anguish." while mourning Reid. It's not known if it made it into the show.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2010 6:59:56 GMT -5
Arrggh, they really have the need to make Chris so unlikeable? Because it makes very hard to take that a good character like Reid has to die to save that asshole
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Post by caitlinp on Aug 27, 2010 9:23:59 GMT -5
The decisions that have been made in reference to Chris are just weird. I think part of the problem is that the character was underdeveloped, so that has caused a lot of problems for Daniel Cosgrove. But, even with that it seems like they have purposefully been showing the differences between Reid and Chris, and Reid has come out ahead in every comparison.
As a boyfriend, one minute Chris is trying to stick his tongue down Allison's throat, even though that's not what she wanted, and the next week he's saying that he's in love with Katie. As if that wasn't weird enough he then spent what little time that he was given before July, pressuring Katie to forget Brad, and to have sex with him.
This is just weird or bad writing. Chris is just not a rootable character. They should have shown him bonding with Reid, instead of fighting him at every instance, and they could have taken the time to come up with a believable reason why he doesn't want to get proper medical care. They could also stop showing him doing stupid things that put his health in danger, but unfortunately that will continue next week. I just don't get how the character who hasn't been developed well can live, but not the one who has had more character development.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2010 12:28:43 GMT -5
And i really really hope that Nelson was only speculating about Reid's uncle being an homophobe, because that's a lot more than i can bear
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Post by Bonobochick on Aug 27, 2010 13:10:48 GMT -5
Rumor... According to an original script "Luke lets out a scream of anguish." while mourning Reid. It's not known if it made it into the show. You mean like in Revenge of the Sith at the end? Lord have mercy.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 27, 2010 13:19:45 GMT -5
And i really really hope that Nelson was only speculating about Reid's uncle being an homophobe, because that's a lot more than i can bear How else does Luke get power of attorney? and potentially pull the plug on Reid?
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Post by Brechtje on Aug 27, 2010 14:03:22 GMT -5
How else does Luke get power of attorney? and potentially pull the plug on Reid? Does Luke get power of attorney? I didn't hear that before! Now THAT'S a storyline!
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Post by anthonyl on Aug 27, 2010 14:17:07 GMT -5
The rumor is that Reid's uncle gives Luke power of attorney.
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Post by md1347 on Aug 27, 2010 14:25:46 GMT -5
How else does Luke get power of attorney? and potentially pull the plug on Reid? Does Luke get power of attorney? I didn't hear that before! Now THAT'S a storyline! Looks that way... Why doesn't Lily and Damian adopt Reid instead? ROFL.... BTW, if you notice that green shirt that Luke is wearing in the promo? He might be wearing that a lot coming up. Keep a watch out for it.
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2010 15:31:03 GMT -5
Next week's preview
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Post by HQ75 on Aug 27, 2010 15:57:24 GMT -5
Where are these rumors coming from? Inside info? Why all the secrecy. They've practically told everything in the last couple interviews.
Who's sourcing the rumors? Give
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Post by jjose712 on Aug 27, 2010 16:08:00 GMT -5
Right now, there are rumours everywhere. I read that it will be a secret appareance in the last episode, some people think it'll be Noah, some people think it'll be ghost Reid, i think probably noone of them.
It's pretty clear that the show wanted to end with a splash and they think their better opportunities to get an emmy nomination are Eric and Van, so this it'll be melodramatic in a soapy way. They really never care for Nuke fans, so why they would care for LuRe fans?
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Post by Zathras on Aug 27, 2010 19:43:30 GMT -5
Oh, God, they're going to give Luke Power of Attorney? Can we just end the show today? That would be less painful for all involved .
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Post by solomom67 on Aug 27, 2010 20:24:21 GMT -5
I only began watching this s/l about 2 months ago and I was immediately taken with Reid and Luke's chemistry. They work so well together and it's a damn shame they keep getting cockblocked everytime they are together. When I accidentaly saw some spoilers in a YT comment I was stunned TPTB would even think to take this route. If they were a hetero couple they would have already slept together, broken up, gotten married, had 2.5 kids, gotten divorced, married other people, slept with each other again (while still married to other people), gotten kidnapped, slept together, gotten amnesia, forgotten who they were and then fallen in love with each other even though they didn't remember themselves or each other!! I mean I know it's a soap, but damn...EVERY other person comes out a happy camper while (it appears) LuRe ends up a burning wreck on the side of the road!!!!
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Post by md1347 on Aug 28, 2010 3:43:31 GMT -5
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