mgh48
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Post by mgh48 on Jun 21, 2008 1:52:36 GMT -5
It would've been a perfect opportunity for more O&C heart-to-heart talks and, ahem, other activities, lola. We should submit our story ideas to the writers!
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Geoff
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RJ
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Post by RJ on Jun 21, 2008 1:54:15 GMT -5
Oh come on people! Since when are soap opera plots and situations NOT contrived? * Every time a character arrives just in time and just within eavesdropping distance to overhear IMPORTANT information... contrived. * Every time a character barges through an unlocked door (that logically would be locked in real life) just in time to witness a compromising situation... contrived. * The entire Fabian-Judith-Constantin love triangle... contrived. /nodsnods ta RJ yeah...but today, it just LOOKED more contrived, dontcha think? Geoff If we continue to get scenes like the one in the hallway, they can move the boxing match into No Limits or the flatshare's bathroom for all I care.
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Post by tihkon2 on Jun 21, 2008 2:37:30 GMT -5
Amen, rj!
I'll be the other voice of "I don't give one damn if it was contrived or not". ;D
I am QUITE happy with the way all of the episodes play out. It's a soap opera, and IMHO, it's doing just fine. I do not have one bad thing to say about this story so far or anyone involved in it. I have no complaints about the acting, the storyline, the "contrivances" , the pacing of the story, or anything.
signed,
Content in Connecticut
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Post by ivaniv on Jun 21, 2008 3:31:02 GMT -5
OMG! now, that would be an exciting story! Tryin ta steal Christian's man away heh heh heh. Methinks many an ass-whippin would be forthcoming from der Mann. ;D Geoff Well, Axel may have more muscles on him, but steroids tend to shrink certain things. I think Olli is better off with Christian And Axel has his two fvckbuddies anyway ;D
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Post by amber80 on Jun 21, 2008 4:48:37 GMT -5
Amen, rj! I'll be the other voice of " I don't give one damn if it was contrived or not". ;D I am QUITE happy with the way all of the episodes play out. It's a soap opera, and IMHO, it's doing just fine. I do not have one bad thing to say about this story so far or anyone involved in it. I have no complaints about the acting, the storyline, the "contrivances" , the pacing of the story, or anything. signed, Content in Connecticut ;D Can I put my signature under that as well? ;D
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Post by Princess Ollian on Jun 21, 2008 8:54:46 GMT -5
Eventually remembered to drop by this thread . Thanks as always to the Uploading/Translation Team!!! The definite heroes (heroine in your case Nanna ) of The GAYS Of DAYTIMESome great comments above (though I stand by my appreciation of Olli's T-Shirt - I would buy/wear it...). I don't think that Christian is going to be very impressed with with Gregor, Olli and Judith at all, but did you not see Fabian?? I see another Fabian queenie strop in the offing...
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neand48
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Post by neand48 on Jun 21, 2008 9:27:02 GMT -5
(though I stand by my appreciation of Olli's T-Shirt - I would buy/wear it...). I would not buy it, but I'd gladly wear it if given to me because I really like it, fish n all. The way I dress, it's understandable... but you? Ollian? It's not too late to re-assess your appreciation...
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Post by Princess Ollian on Jun 21, 2008 9:50:26 GMT -5
I would not buy it, but I'd gladly wear it if given to me because I really like it, fish n all. The way I dress, it's understandable... but you? Ollian? It's not too late to re-assess your appreciation... Picture it with a funky pair of customised dark denim jeans, some nice pointed black patent leather shoes, perhaps a waistcoat and a skinny casual tie. Would look pretty darn good I think!!
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Post by Bonobochick on Jun 21, 2008 11:50:32 GMT -5
I would not buy it, but I'd gladly wear it if given to me because I really like it, fish n all. The way I dress, it's understandable... but you? Ollian? It's not too late to re-assess your appreciation... Picture it with a funky pair of customised dark denim jeans, some nice pointed black patent leather shoes, perhaps a waistcoat and a skinny casual tie. Would look pretty darn good I think!! Ollian , du weisst Ich habe dich liebe aber... nein. (and yea, I probably screwed that up but it's early and I haven't had coffee. And it's already about 88 degrees and it's not 10am yet. )
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Post by Princess Ollian on Jun 21, 2008 11:58:51 GMT -5
Ollian , du weisst Ich hab dir liebe aber... nein. (and yea, I probably screwed that up but it's early and I haven't had coffee. And it's already about 88 degrees and it's not 10am yet. ) Nein, ich verstehe. Aber ich glaube, Sie sind sehr unhöflich! Anywho, I am heading out to dinner now - OH is surprising me... Talk later peeps! xx
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 21, 2008 15:41:33 GMT -5
Well, now that Judith-as-Alibifreundin is launched, once again I can't help but say, I'm nervous hereabout. Yes, this might be the classic example of the Unsavored Kiss . . . nevertheless, we know Christian's philosophy about spontaneous first kisses . . .
And then there's Axel: his companions may appear to be thugs/ruffians, but his personal style is ganz anders. Homophobic content aside, he speaks very elegantly, dresses nicely, has the same familiarity with ballet paraphernalia as Wolle . . . and then there's that ultra-fey peanut aim-and-toss . . . Olli as target . . .
So perhaps there shall be ultimately 5 persons involved--if not a true pentangle, then several intersecting triangles: C & O & J & Axel & Fabian -- and maybe more: once you reach a critical threshold it's hard to halt the spread . . .
Also: the young man who, at the very beginning of this episode, enters NoLimits through what-we-suppose-to-be the stairwell hall doorway, then exits to the street--is he not the very same guy whom Christian knocks down (in the ring) in one of the early boxing-gym episodes? And also, has he not been one of those 'extras' who pass between the main characters when they're in intense conversation? (I like how the VL directors do this). Do you suppose he's just there for this kind of use, or that he's someone 'key' to the production who likes to make brief Alfred-Hitchcock-like 'on-screen' appearances?
O yeah, one more thing: psionycx, eine Frage mehr uber Doping (I hope you don't mind my considering you the resident expert!) If a person uses steroids to build himself up, can he maintain the bulk, physique, strength thereafter in the old-fashioned, non-steroidal way? Or is there some physiological reason wherefor it's necessary to continue the use of steroids to maintain the development?
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Post by psionycx on Jun 21, 2008 17:27:57 GMT -5
O yeah, one more thing: psionycx, eine Frage mehr uber Doping (I hope you don't mind my considering you the resident expert!) If a person uses steroids to build himself up, can he maintain the bulk, physique, strength thereafter in the old-fashioned, non-steroidal way? Or is there some physiological reason wherefor it's necessary to continue the use of steroids to maintain the development? That one will quickly lose acquired muscle mass after discontinuation of steroid use is for the most part a myth. A rigorous workout regimen is usually sufficient to maintain any gains. However, the main reason for the myth is that most users try to time their cycles to coincide with some kind of event (often a bodybuilding competition) and there are a lot of challenges in doing so. Most people experience metabolic changes during and after a steroid a cycle. The exact nature of these changes is variable depending on the nature of their metabolism. I had a friend who used to swell up like a balloon from water retention after a cycle. Since various hormonal and metabolic changes take place due to the cycle, the after-effects can be more than cosmetic. Some experience a noticeable decline in energy and stamina after a cycle is done. Also, because the body has often produced additional estrogen and progesterone during the cycle, and their natural testosterone level has dropped, they may experience a variety of physical and emotional effects. Weight gain (in fat) is also a common after-effect. This always made bodybuilding use of steroids into a quite a science for the guys involved, since they had to develop an understanding of their body's reactions. For obvious reasons a sudden increase in water retention or fat before a bodybuilding competition was a serious problem. Muscle sprains also showed up in a bunch of guys I knew. Probably due to the sudden drop in hormonal support for their increased muscle mass.
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 21, 2008 18:03:07 GMT -5
For a while something has been bugging me about the Wolle / Axel & his buddies / homophobic storyline and I could never quite put my finger on what it was exactly. It was just a feeling of dissatisfaction / irritation with how it was playing out. It suddenly struck me today what it is.... The Ollian story has always been well constructed, written and acted (imo) - very subtle, sometimes intense but always very real - so believable that you get utterly absorbed within it as it is playing out. However, it just struck me today how "over the top" Wolle, Axel and his gorilla's are - they're almost being played as caricatures rather than real people. Today's epi in No-Limits was like schoolboy playground stuff. I understand that the VL writers will have thier reasons for doing this i.e. lack of time to flesh out the "bad" guys therefore in order to get the message across very quickly they have to play to the lowest denominator. I'm not complaining about the story - it's just a shame that it's coming from such a basic angle - I really thought the scene in No-Limits with the three gorrillas confronting Christian was too amateur dramatics to be anything but farcicle. It's a shame because I think both Jo & Thore have the ability to handle a better written homophobic storyline than this.
On another note - wow - the americans really have got gunshy over the Ameera thing in ATWT. YT is littered with comments about Judith going to split Ollian up etc, etc. Sometimes I wonder if they are watching the story at all - maybe it's just me, but (even without reading spoilers) I could never see that possibility happening - she IS like a sister to them, they've lived through her Fabian or Constantin mess - Christian confessed all to her first about how he felt for Olli - it just seems utterly inconceivable that they would suddenly develop a love interest between them.
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Post by psionycx on Jun 21, 2008 18:21:07 GMT -5
Well sheepie, it's a wonder that Germans aren't more traumatized and paranoid after the whole Roman/Deniz/Vanessa thing!
As for Axel and the Neanderthals, and Wolle, being rather stock characters, we need to keep in mind that despite general high quality this is a soap. For example, I don't think Olivia is especially understated as a character either, Gregor has his periods when he's the classic handsome, leering lecher and let's not forget all the Dynasty characters hanging around the Castle!
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 21, 2008 18:45:40 GMT -5
and let's not forget all the Dynasty characters hanging around the Castle! LOL Dynasty - you're showing your true gay credentials here ;D and your age Dynasty - out 'n proud - I loved it ;D
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 21, 2008 18:46:09 GMT -5
Sheepie,
To a degree, I feel as you do, but I think it has much to do with the presence of the two thuggish companions. They aren't really needed, give the playground-bully sense to it--as you say. The VL writers really are being hard on the boxing 'culture'--perhaps with good reason . . .
Also, as eager as Axel and his buddies were to pick a fight, and Christian's shoving Axel affording them the opening, it seems unlikely the altercation would have stopped short of a brawl -- making it rather more difficult for Judith to extract Christian for the 'alibi' kiss.
So I think it had been better as a confrontation between Axel and Christian . . .
p.s. I recognize you're talking in terms more general than just this scene, but I think that Wolle has been developed into a character more interesting / nuanced than only a caricature -- and that Axel shows the potential to be . . .
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 21, 2008 19:10:57 GMT -5
p.s. I recognize you're talking in terms more general than just this scene, but I think that Wolle has been developed into a character more interesting / nuanced than only a caricature -- and that Axel shows the potential to be . . . I'm not sure that Wolle has - but I suspect we won't see much more of him as a character anyway. Axel - on the other hand, rather intrigues me........ I keep re-watching the start of this clip at his "peanut throwing" incident. I once met a guy in a gay club and the first thing he said to me was he was going to get married when he was thirty - he was twenty-nine at the time but that's getting OT
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Post by gastLXXXIV on Jun 21, 2008 19:26:08 GMT -5
I once met a guy in a gay club and the first thing he said to me was he was going to get married when he was thirty - he was twenty-nine at the time but that's getting OT OT, mein Schatz? Ja, I can't get it into focus . . . if I'm meant to. Meanwhile, did he mean conventional marriage -- i e, marry a woman? Or marry you?
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 21, 2008 20:52:05 GMT -5
I once met a guy in a gay club and the first thing he said to me was he was going to get married when he was thirty - he was twenty-nine at the time but that's getting OT OT, mein Schatz? Ja, I can't get it into focus . . . if I'm meant to. Meanwhile, did he mean conventional marriage -- i e, marry a woman? Or marry you? Sorry - not understanding the german - he meant conventional marriage. 5 years later, he still wasn't married - way off topic ;D My thoughts were just running along the lines of repressed tendencies etc. - re- the axel character PS - congrats Gast48 at becoming a senior
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Post by psionycx on Jun 21, 2008 21:57:48 GMT -5
LOL Dynasty - you're showing your true gay credentials here ;D and your age Dynasty - out 'n proud - I loved it ;D Bitch! Seriously, I'm not that old (I hope). But once we leave the proletarian confines of the flatshare or No Limits (despite the Junkers that seem to hang out there) they do start to get a little Dynasty don't you think? Granted they could use a decent Alexis but it really is hard to duplicate Joan Collins. As an aside about Dynasty, my favorite "in joke" about it has to be from the cartoon American Dad where the effeminate alien Roger is watching Dynasty on TV and it's basically just Alexis and Krystle slapping each other as they repeatedly call each other "bitch" and "whore". Well, in any case, here's to hoping that Christian's sexual orientation doesn't fluctuate as much as Steven Carrington's did!
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 21, 2008 22:40:46 GMT -5
Sadly it seems that the actual physical catfight ratio is rather low on VL If anything it seems to be the guys hitting each other. The bitch villains would rather focus on poisoning you rather than stooping to using their hands.
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Post by stuartsez on Jun 21, 2008 22:43:36 GMT -5
sheepie - I like your optimism, but what with Deniz/Roman/Vanessa and Luke/Noah/Ameera, I'm a bit more gunshy. Judith-as-beard makes me nervous. We know from Christian's romantic history that he tends to be friends first with his lovers, and have spontaneous first kisses - he's done this with both Coco and Olli. I think Olivia would have been hysterical as beard - and there would certainly have been no worries about anything real between them.
And actually, I kind of liked the fish shirt. I wouldn't wear it, but I wouldn't tease somebody else for it.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 21, 2008 23:00:49 GMT -5
I'm just really confused how this would lead to "an Ameera storyline". What exactly would an Ameera storyline be? Christian has to marry Judith because of ?!?!? Christian and Judith are forced to act like a couple in public and Christian and Olli can't kiss in public anymore?
Heck, if that were to happen based on VL's reputation that would just lead to more torrid sex scenes and almost getting caught moments between Christian and Oliver since it that is sort of VL's speciality.
Wait, now I'm almost sad that that probably won't be what is going to happen. ;D
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Post by restenergy on Jun 21, 2008 23:24:22 GMT -5
sheepie - I like your optimism, but what with Deniz/Roman/Vanessa and Luke/Noah/Ameera, I'm a bit more gunshy. Judith-as-beard makes me nervous. We know from Christian's romantic history that he tends to be friends first with his lovers, and have spontaneous first kisses - he's done this with both Coco and Olli. But we know that in the case of Olli, Christian's relationship with Coco was already on some shaky ground. And it seems to me, especially looking back, that Christian had already formed a serious, if not entirely conscious, crush on Olli by the time Olli kissed him. Heck, I think he'd formed it by the time Olli even started his own crush on Christian. Wasn't there already shaking ground with Nico when things started with Coco, too?
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Post by restenergy on Jun 21, 2008 23:28:44 GMT -5
Heck, if that were to happen based on VL's reputation that would just lead to more torrid sex scenes and almost getting caught moments between Christian and Oliver since it that is sort of VL's speciality. Wait, now I'm almost sad that that probably won't be what is going to happen. ;D While I certainly hope it doesn't go that way, this might just make it worth while. In any case, they'd make it much more interesting and watchable than ATWT ever would.
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