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Post by justinate on Nov 24, 2016 10:22:01 GMT -5
James Paxton tweeted that Lukas would redeem himself by the end of episode 6. However, while I think he is finally moving in that direction, he still has a long way to go in my book, especially after slandering Philip as a thief and druggie.
We do have four more episodes left, so might we see them consummate their relationship? I don't think they've actually gone all the way yet. In the Norwegian original they don't, but the remake has already gone further with the relationship.
I do note, however, that the reviewer who claimed the boys strip off at the drop of a hat was (sadly) exaggerating.
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Post by mizuryuu on Nov 24, 2016 18:28:35 GMT -5
I'm going to be so sad once this season is over. They announced before the season started they want to go with the same format as American Horror Story where every season would be a different story. So we have 4 more episodes of Philip/Lukas before they are gone
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Post by mrfixit477 on Nov 24, 2016 18:48:42 GMT -5
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Post by daleeryohm on Nov 28, 2016 12:02:53 GMT -5
I don't think they had a bed scene this last episode (maybe next one?) but it was very satisfying nonetheless. James Paxton is really selling the love and affection. Lukas was melting me into goo in that barn scene with how he was with Philip.
Lukas has been really awful and unlikeable and undeserving of Philip up to this point though, for the past few episodes...
I don't know how to feel.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 5, 2016 21:58:10 GMT -5
I moved most of the discussion of USA Networks' remake from the Øyevitne thread to here. They're technically different shows.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 5, 2016 22:11:42 GMT -5
Well, shit. They’ve teased one of them getting hurt for a while, I wasn’t sure they actually would do it. So do Helen and her husband (I forget his name) know that Philip and Lukas are into each other? I didn’t think so, but Philip's getting a little more bold. Maybe they're starting to figure it out? Lukas has been getting more relaxed in his willingness to be around (in public) and show affection for Philip (in private). Despite the fact that he was a big ass to Philip for so long. I wonder how long it would take (assuming he recovers) before he decided to come out. It was kind of sweet for Philip to come to the bedroom comfort Lukas, despite being afraid for his own safety. Which leads me to wonder why they didn't both get shot. Hmm. And now the killer has used some pretty decent weaponry to shoot Lukas. That’s gotta leave a lot of clues for the (non-corrupt) police to use. That FBI agent wasn’t too bright letting Lukas and Philip out of her sight. Spoiler: I’m curious just what Philip will say to an unconscious Lukas next week. And what Philip will say to his parents about his relationship with Lukas. Hmm.
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Post by mizuryuu on Dec 5, 2016 23:37:01 GMT -5
I'm extremely worried about Lukas now. I really hope he will be okay. I think they are going to do something with that pocket watch, maybe it blocked the shot? They seem to make a big deal about how it saved his grandfather's life. I am guessing killing only Lukas is less risky. Considering it takes time to reload, giving the other person to escape, killing both would require killing them with one bullet. Trying to kill both with one bullet is risky as it risk one of them surviving. If that one happen to be Lukas, then everything is wasted
I'm pretty sure Helen knows (she saw the picture on the phone), and her husband suspects. Hopefully, they will make it clear to the boys so they will stop being afraid of telling the whole truth.
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Post by daleeryohm on Dec 5, 2016 23:49:52 GMT -5
Helen and Gabe both know, but Philip doesn't know they do. Helen saw that text message, and Gabe saw Philip sneaking into the room Lukas was sleeping in.
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Post by mizuryuu on Dec 6, 2016 21:03:27 GMT -5
That doesn't mean that Gabe knows. He knows that they are close friends and it wouldn't be that surprising that Lukas would want to talk with his friend considering the day he had. That is why I said suspect and not confirmed knowing
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Post by HQ75 on Dec 7, 2016 19:22:16 GMT -5
Tyler Young & James Paxton Live Chat December 4 2016
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 8, 2016 22:07:28 GMT -5
I haven't been following this show, but I just watched all the episodes in a rush. I have mixed feeling about it. The chemistry between the boys is good and Tyler Young is super cute (and talented), but the writing is very uneven. I'm having a hard time feeling sympathy for the boys. So far several of their friends are dead and themselves and others are in grave danger - all so that Lukas can stay in the closet. It's very selfish behavior. While being selfish is not unusual for teenagers, that doesn't make it any easier to root for them. Philip might be the worse one since he's the one who can actually identify the killer, yet he's playing along with the fiction that only Lukas was at the cabin. It doesn't really make sense that he's more interested in protecting Lukas' gay secret than Lukas' life. The whole premise of the story, actually, is fairly flimsy since the boys in the beginning could have said they were at the cabin without revealing that they were having sex.
So now the killer has shot Lukas, something that could probably have been prevented if Philip had been truthful. I find myself kind of indifferent towards whether Lukas survives or not. It's hard to root for selfish stupidity. And Lukas has mostly treated Philip like dirt. True, he's been improving lately, but still... I think Philip could do a lot better. Not that he really deserves any better. Anyway, Lukas will probably pull through and the killer will get killed in a dramatic finale. But meanwhile those two classmates who died will still be dead, so Philip and Lukas don't really deserve the happy ending they are probably going to get.
The one good thing that emerges from this show, I think, is the discovery of Tyler Young, who has an enormous amount of talent while also being very easy on the eyes - everybody's favorite combination. I can see him going on to a highly successful career.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 9, 2016 17:17:51 GMT -5
I don't blame you. I certainly agree Lukas has treated Philip like shit, so I was almost surprised when Philip still continued to pursue a closeted relationship with him. I haven't seen the first handful of episodes, so I don't know everything that's happened. From what I have seen of Philip, though, I didn't have anything against him. I wasn't aware of other deaths.
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Post by daleeryohm on Dec 11, 2016 9:29:29 GMT -5
I see what Hawthorne is saying, Philip knows what the killer looks like and should have come clean much, much sooner.
Buuuut it's not bothering me. That's the nature of these crime shows. I'm really just sad now we'll have to say goodbye to this cast. Eyewitness has gotten to be a very comfy program for me, and it's because of the small town setting and because of Philip, Lukas, Helen, and Gabe, and all the chemistry and talent of these actors. I'll miss it when it's over.
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Post by gidi on Dec 12, 2016 1:05:03 GMT -5
From what I see what you write I need to see those Yt as I saw in my country the orginal series monthes ago
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Post by kevvoi on Dec 12, 2016 7:33:39 GMT -5
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 12, 2016 18:21:42 GMT -5
I don't want to denigrate a show that many people are enjoying. I totally get why people are into this show. The boys have great chemistry. There are some writing issues that annoy me, but it's certainly true that many shows have the same kind of shortcomings. Episode 9 did a good job of building suspense for the finale. I'm glad Helen has finally caught a clue. Maybe Lukas' father returns to the hospital with a gun to shoot Philip, but ends up using it on Ryan instead.
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Post by daleeryohm on Dec 12, 2016 19:59:03 GMT -5
Ah, my prediction was that the father would end up sacrificing himself to save them, actually. Which would both redeem him and implicitly inform the audience he'd come to terms with their relationship and his son's sexuality.
Then Lukas can be adopted by them too and they'd all live HEA. But I'm praying somehow it gets to continue. Maybe the network will release that they're keeping this cast or something. I'm sure the ratings aren't record news or anything, but Twitter effing loves Eyewitness. And Nicholson is such an astounding actress. And Young too. And even Warren Christie, who's somehow made me like Ryan a little bit, with his murdering ass, lmao. Probably it's just because he's cute. I'm gonna cry.
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 12, 2016 21:05:06 GMT -5
But if Lukas' father dies, that's not really a happy ending. Lukas is orphaned and he's saddled with the tremendous guilt that if he'd told the truth in the beginning, his father would still be alive.
I think Lukas' father will be the forgotten ace in the hole in that just as it looks like Ryan is about to prevail and kill the boys (and probably Helen as well), Lukas' father - who the audience will have forgotten about - will be there with the concealed weapon he always carries to kill Ryan. The show has made a point of showing his shooting skills. Might be foreshadowing.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 12, 2016 21:23:36 GMT -5
Well, sometimes cute guys are bad guys. I'm so glad that Helen is figuring it out. I'd gotten tired of Ryan going around stalking them and cozying up with Helen & that other FBI agent. I hated every time Helen talked with him or confided in him. I'm glad it's coming to an end (provided nobody else dies). The advice from Philip’s mom was really bad. I'm glad Philip eventually followed his own conscience instead. Philip took a big chance kissing Lukas like that in the hospital bed, though I understand he was afraid Lukas would die. I guess Philip is pushing Lukas out of the closet, whether Lukas is ready or not. (He's not ). I'm not quite sure to make of the fact that Bo disappeared afterward though. I guess I'll wait until I hear what he actually thinks about his son before I decide whether Lukas' fears are well-founded. Apparently that girl figured out about them (I don't know how) but didn't out them, so that's a positive sign that Lukas' worst fears may not come to pass. I guess I can't blame him for being afraid of losing the only family he has left. I guess we'll see what happens next.
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Post by daleeryohm on Dec 12, 2016 21:35:55 GMT -5
oh, did I forget about the dad being a gunman? Pretty loose of them not to remind everyone this last episode then, if that's how it'll play out.
The only other person I wouldn't mind losing is Helen's partner.
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Post by Zathras on Dec 13, 2016 19:41:06 GMT -5
I know Bo is a hunter. I didn't watch the early stuff so don't know if he's really into guns in general, though. I wouldn't be surprised.
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 18, 2016 12:41:24 GMT -5
Promo for tonight's finale:
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 18, 2016 18:42:58 GMT -5
Apparently, at least one character dies in the finale. Hopefully, it won't be one of the boys.
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Post by daleeryohm on Dec 18, 2016 23:35:53 GMT -5
I was thrown by how contrived and cheestastic a lot of the writing was, and the death was very sad, but I still finished the finale happy.
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Post by Hawthorne on Dec 19, 2016 0:25:19 GMT -5
Yeah, not much that happened in the finale made sense if you tried to think about it. Philip being the top was the most surprising thing that happened.
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