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Post by pepe1958 on May 23, 2009 15:17:59 GMT -5
jjose, I'll try to fill you in as much as I can:
Now, as you know, Rafe Torres is a public defender who also has experience in family law; we saw his parents briefly during his first episode and we know that his Aunt Estella is/was the Newman family housekeeper; also, Rafe went to college with Billy Abbott (see below), who defended him at school when others bullied him.
Victor Newman is the wealthiest and most powerful man in Genoa City, with his company Newman Enterprises. Victor has been married several times and has four children:
Nick Newman, just promoted to COO of Newman Enterprises; Nick is currently married to Phyllis Summers (chief editor of Restless Style magazine, one of Newman Enterprises companies), but still carries a torch for his previous wife, Sharon Collins, who's currently pregnant, but isn't sure whether the father is Nick, Jack Abbott or Billy Abbott; Nick's mother is Nikki Reed.
Victoria Newman is acting Chairman of the Board of Newman Enterprises, and her mother is also Nikki Reed; Victoria is married to J.T. Hellstrom.
Adam Wilson is the result of a relationship Victor had with Hope Wilson while hiding out in Kansas many years ago; Hope was blind and when Victor tried to bring her back to Genoa City, she felt slighted by his friends and family and decided to return to Kansas, where she raised Adam; since Adam's arrival in Genoa City, he has grown increasingly sociopathic for unknown reasons.
Abby Newman is the teenage daughter of Victor and Ashley Abbott; Ashley is currently living with Victor at his ranch and is pregnant with his child; it is Ashley that Adam is tormenting, though he reason for doing this is unknown.
Billy Abbot is Rafe's friend from college and went to him for advice when he was facing a potential custody battle: Billy's current wife, Chloe Mitchell, was pregnant, but wasn't sure whether the father was Billy or his (presumed) brother Cane Ashby (see below); DNA tests were inconclusive, but Billy married Chloe; though he's devoted to their daughter, Delia, his relationship with Chloe is filled with strife, especially now that his former flame, Mackenzie Browning (aka Mac), has returned to Genoa City; most recently, we have discovered that Mac had an affair with Raul Guiterriez while working with an organization in Darfur.
Neil Winters is the former COO of Newman Enterprises who recently resigned from his position there and took a CEO position with Chancellor Industries, which is owned by Katherine Chancellor, Mackenzie's grandmother; Rafe represented Neil in a custody battle with Tyra Hamilton over the young Ana; Neil's daughter Lily Winters recently married Cane Ashby; Neil's sister, Olivia Winters, is Ashley's doctor.
Ok, now the following part is going to be confusing, but it may play a major role in Rafe's upcoming storyline:
30 years ago, Jill Foster had an affair with Phillip Chancellor II, the husband of the then-alcoholic Katherine Chancellor; the result of the affair was Phillip Chancellor III; but Phillip II died in a car accident and Katherine did everything in her power to prevent Jill from getting her hands on the Chancellor fortune; Jill eventually married John Abbott, the result being their son Billy Abbott (mentioned above); Phillip III, as a teenager, was eventually accepted by Katherine, but both Katherine and Jill were opposed to his relationship with Nina Webster, who had recently had her first-born son stolen from her by Rose Devill, whose speciality was conning young, penniless pregnant women and stealing their children and selling them on the black market (Nina's first-born has never been found).
Anyway, Nina and Phillip had sex; Nina got pregnant and over Jill and Katherine's protestations, Phillip married Nina; however, shortly after their son, Phillip Chancellor IV, was born, Phillip III got drunk and died in a car accident.
A couple of years later, it was discovered that Katherine was actually Jill's mother, but later DNA results have negated that; their relationship remains stormy.
A few years ago, however, Katherine started to be haunted by dreams of a baby crying; after seeing a psychic and talking with an old friend, realized that in a drunken haze and overwhelmed by her hatred of Jill, she had switched Jill's baby by Phillip II with a strangers baby; it was then discovered that Cane Ashby was the child who had been switched--he'd grown up in Australia. There were some questional behavior initially by Cane, indicating that he was part of con job, but nothing came of that...until recently, when it was revealed that a phone call Cane made about a year or so ago to a shady person turned out to be a call to...Phillip Cancellor III...or at least somebody who looks exactly like him (it's the same actor, returning to show).
Some other characters: Rafe revealed his sexuality to Colleen Carlton, the daughter of the late Brad Carlton and Traci Abbott (Ashley's sister); Colleen has taken a seat on the board of Newman Enterprises, something which displeases Victor and he has asked J.T. to find out what she's up to; Colleen, in fact, is revealing information to her uncle, Jack Abbott, who hates Victor.
Then there's the Baldwin-Fisher clan, but so far they don't have much to do with Rafe's storyline; if they do, I'll provide further info on them.
Hope this helps!
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Post by jjose712 on May 23, 2009 15:33:55 GMT -5
Thank you very much
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Post by jjose712 on May 23, 2009 15:43:16 GMT -5
OMG it's complicated, well to be true, in ATWT i only know the Nuke related characters, i don't know who Meg is (and everybody says that she is everywhere).
I think your post will be useful in a near future
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Post by justinate on May 23, 2009 17:14:13 GMT -5
Heh, that damned Meg! You are fortunate to have missed her. (She is Luke's aunt, Holden's sister, Lily's sister-in-law and also her aunt by adoption, and even at one time Lily's stepmother!)
As to Y&R, I shouldn't complicate things further, but just to amend a couple of things: I believe Abby's last name is still Carlton. Although her stepfather Brad Carlton knew all along that Ashley's baby wasn't his, he raised her as such, even giving her his last name, thus she and Colleen are "sisters" despite having no biological connection. They were both devastated when Brad died recently after saving Noah Newman's life (Abby's nephew, who is the same age as him).
It was only recently that Ashley reunited with Victor and she moved into his ranch with Abby. Abby is, as mentioned, Victor's biological daughter, making her a full sister to the baby Ashley is currently carrying. But the events surrounding Abby's conception are a bit more icky: Ashley stole Victor's sperm from the sperm bank to impregnate herself.
Also worth mentioning, Adam's birth name was Victor Newman, Junior. His middle name, which he now uses, comes from his mother's maiden name (Adams) and the last name Wilson is that of his dead stepfather. Adam came to town after his mother, Hope, died - although she'd gone through a lot of trouble to raise him away from Newman influences, her dying wish was that he reconcile with his biological father, Victor (Senior). Up to that point, Adam had assumed his biological father was his late stepfather.
Hope was blind and it was genetic; when Victor Jr. was born it was a risk he might inherit the disease so they had him tested (negative) but there was always the risk. Adam has used this to aid in his current pretense of going blind.
In addition to the baby Victor is currently having with Ashley, just a few months ago his wife Sabrina was expecting his daughter. Both mother and baby died in an accident and now Adam is trying to scare Ashley using the memory of Sabrina and her baby.
Also, Adam is currently back to sleeping with his ex-fiancee, Heather Stevens, whose father Paul is engaged to Nikki Reed Newman. Adam's half-siblings (Victoria, Nick and Abby) all dislike him because he framed their father for the murder of the man responsible for Sabrina's car-crash. Adam was angry at Victor for the way he tossed him out of the Newman company and home after Adam went power-crazy during the time Victor was presumed dead. (Ashley brought him back from Paris.) Adam had teamed up with Victor's enemy, Ashley's brother, Jack Abbott, who is currently married to Sharon Newman, Nick's ex-wife with whom he has Victor's teenaged grandson Noah. (Victoria is the mother of Victor's other grandson, baby Reed Hellstrom. Reed's father is hottie J.T., whose actor played gay-for-pay on Nip/Tuck.)
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Post by pepe1958 on May 23, 2009 18:21:31 GMT -5
Thanks, Justin...I had completely forgotten about Heather!
And, yeah, let's not get into all the Snyder mess over at Oakdale!!!
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Post by sheepiefarm on May 24, 2009 9:00:43 GMT -5
Thanks for all the back info. Just to get my head roung it - so Adam is only pretending to be blind  PS - is it possible for this show to be moved to the main page if it is going to be fairly popular? It's attracting more attention than Southland & Waterloo road. |
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Post by anthonyl on May 24, 2009 11:07:19 GMT -5
There isn't much going on screen right now though. It's more the behind the scenes stuff that's getting the attention. But I think over the next month and into the summer and fall, what we're just talking about now will be going into fruition. Eventually though you'll want to give it's own thread, I think. Adam is on this coming week (don't know about Rafe, but I would imagine we'll see him) and we get another appearance from Thom Beirdz's character as well.
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Post by jjose712 on May 24, 2009 11:24:08 GMT -5
There isn't much going on screen right now though. It's more the behind the scenes stuff that's getting the attention. But I think over the next month and into the summer and fall, what we're just talking about now will be going into fruition. Eventually though you'll want to give it's own thread, I think. Adam is on this coming week (don't know about Rafe, but I would imagine we'll see him) and we get another appearance from Thom Beirdz's character as well. I agree with you, in fact i watch all the youtube clips and the storyline don't catch my attention at all (even Dero have more success in that department), but all the buzz around the storyline is interesting. At least they are going to a different path (they needed to do it wanted or not, because Rafe is not popular enough to make the usual way), and i find that this is an interesting way to make the gay character grow. If they succeed or fail, only time will tell, but at least the next couple of months will be interesting |
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Post by pepe1958 on May 24, 2009 12:10:12 GMT -5
Just to get my head roung it - so Adam is only pretending to be blind Yes. It was assumed for months that he really WAS going blind, but you'll recall the clip where Adam dropped a box when Rafe entered, Rafe picked it up and Adam snatched it from him? The box contains hypodermic needles with which Adam has been injecting Botox into his eyes to create the effects of blindness and thus convince any doctors that he really is blind. |
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Post by sheepiefarm on May 24, 2009 12:53:55 GMT -5
Just to get my head roung it - so Adam is only pretending to be blind Yes. It was assumed for months that he really WAS going blind, but you'll recall the clip where Adam dropped a box when Rafe entered, Rafe picked it up and Adam snatched it from him? The box contains hypodermic needles with which Adam has been injecting Botox into his eyes to create the effects of blindness and thus convince any doctors that he really is blind. Only in America huh! ;D Thanks, I missed that completely. |
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Post by justinate on May 24, 2009 15:51:09 GMT -5
PS - is it possible for this show to be moved to the main page if it is going to be fairly popular? It's attracting more attention than Southland & Waterloo road. Honestly, Waterloo Road may as well be taken off the main page. I'm the only person who's posted there in months, because the person who used to put up clips for the benefit of non-UK viewers stopped after getting their Youtube account suspended. Also, the gay storyline in that show is over as of last week - the gay character exited the canvas at the end of the fourth season. (There will be a fifth season, but without him.) Any further questions about Y&R, feel free to ask! |
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Post by floatilla on May 24, 2009 19:51:21 GMT -5
I love Y& R though I have gone spells without watching it, so I have a question. when I got back to watching it, looks like Estella was Victor's new maid. what happened to Miguel (old butler)? Are they (Estela & Miguel) related?
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Post by Bonobochick on May 25, 2009 0:34:35 GMT -5
While I am with Pepe on the unknown reasons for Adam's sociopathic behavior as I think the writing has been too ambiguous on it going from vitriol to sociopathy, I am guessing he chose Ashley to hurt because she is Victor's current great love and also because hurting her will hurt Jack and I think Adam really wants Jack to suffer for the whole forged diaries drama. Besides with her past of mental instability, she makes an easy mark to gaslight. MMV. There is also this for history of the characters on the show: www.soapcentral.com/yr/whoswho/index.php  I don't think Adam/Heather is a love story. I don't think I hinted that at all either. I love(d) the chemistry of CE-Adam & Heather together. I don't really have strong feelings about either character individually but everyone likes different things. For me, CE-Adam & Heather clicked even with the dysfunctional aspects. PS - is it possible for this show to be moved to the main page if it is going to be fairly popular? It's attracting more attention than Southland & Waterloo road. Honestly, Waterloo Road may as well be taken off the main page. I'm the only person who's posted there in months, because the person who used to put up clips for the benefit of non-UK viewers stopped after getting their Youtube account suspended. Also, the gay storyline in that show is over as of last week - the gay character exited the canvas at the end of the fourth season. (There will be a fifth season, but without him.) Any further questions about Y&R, feel free to ask! Requests and commentary about the design of the main page should be PM'd to Gaytime.  |
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Post by davedoty on May 25, 2009 0:40:05 GMT -5
PS - is it possible for this show to be moved to the main page if it is going to be fairly popular? It will probably need its own page, but I wouldn't assume that based just on the current traffic. It's the new thing, with lots to speculate about. I would imagine it's staying power that really warrants top of the page inclusion. |
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Post by Bonobochick on May 26, 2009 15:12:06 GMT -5
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Post by anthonyl on May 26, 2009 16:39:16 GMT -5
And it pretty much isn't worth much, IMO.
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Post by floatilla on May 26, 2009 22:14:02 GMT -5
I wish him well.....seeing as he has a kid and all....Noone is arguing that it was a stupid thing for him to do, and from his response, it seems he recognises the ramifications of his actions. He knows that he will prolly face legal action, so based on that he can do whatever he wants, as long as he understands that he will have to deal with the ensuing backlash.....hence I dont think we need to hash about it any further. He was not indispensable as the recast shows......so how about we let this sleeping dog lie..no?
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Post by jjose712 on May 27, 2009 6:43:11 GMT -5
PS - is it possible for this show to be moved to the main page if it is going to be fairly popular? It will probably need its own page, but I wouldn't assume that based just on the current traffic. It's the new thing, with lots to speculate about. I would imagine it's staying power that really warrants top of the page inclusion. Yes, in fact i have to admit than i am most interested by far in all the speculation, than in the real stoyline right now. This could be great (or not) but right now Rafe's storyline seems very far from that |
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Post by final81 on May 27, 2009 12:39:34 GMT -5
Interview with Y & R Headwriter, Maria Arena Bell. tvguide.sympatico.msn.ca/Soap+Whisperer/Soaps/Features/Articles/090526_maria_arena_bell_NB.htm?isfa=1TVG: The big news is you’re making Genoa City a lot pinker these days. When we first met on the Emmy red carpet last year, I asked you for my Pink Soap article if it was possible for a soap star to come out of the closet. You said you would completely support anyone who wanted to be honest about his or her sexuality. I believed you. And once the article went live, I received countless emails from closeted actors saying how much your words of encouragement and support meant to them. Many closeted stars never thought being real with the press and fans was even a possibility. A year later, you boast two out-and-proud actors on your soap [Clementine Ford, Mac; and Bierdz], and introduced a gay character, Rafe. You really mean business, don’t you?
MAB: Absolutely! You know what — I would never edit or prevent any actor from talking about their personal life in the press, whether they are gay, straight or whatever. As far as it comes to Y&R, I felt it was important to introduce characters from all walks of life on our show. I disagree that Rafe announcing to his friend that he’s gay was our first gay storyline because it was just a fact of his life. It’s like, “yeah, so what — what do you want for lunch?” But — we do have a gay storyline in the works. Perhaps more than one. And more than one gay character. More importantly, the gay storyline we’re planning on telling will reflect real life. I couldn’t be happier.
TVG: Can we expect more gay characters in Genoa City?
MAB: Absolutely. We are going to be telling our gay stories in ways you wouldn’t expect. I don’t want to tell a traditional coming-out story because I felt that has been done to death. Our stories are about relationships — and our gay stories will be no different. You’re going to see gay themes in several different ways on the show. I won’t spoil anything because viewers will really enjoy how it all unfolds. We’re portraying being gay as it is: a part of life.
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Post by dkp on May 27, 2009 15:44:25 GMT -5
While I love MAB, all the butt kissing Nelson was doing and how he didn't even try to be objective, I think it's a good interview.
To me she obviously loves the show and much passion for Y&R, something that seems to be lacking in TPTB of most other soaps. *cough* CG and JP *cough* That alone make a difference between a bad and a good show. Also, the the fact she constantly talks Y&R and her children think they are real people, shows how engaged she is and how she deeply cares for the characters. Another Plus.
Sounds like P3 might be gay and his and Rafe's stories are going to be separate with her hinting of more than more gay story going on. Which is good for a Rafe/Adam fan like me! LOL The fact she is going to write gay characters as a simply a part of life and going to be differently written than others is promising. ATWT will have to take a clue, with Luke and Noah who's stories are plot devices and mainly about them being gay and little else.
So looking forward to this summer on Y&R!
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Post by jjose712 on May 28, 2009 2:03:32 GMT -5
Well, people are really optimistic here. We'll see. But the truth is that Rafe is a very marginal character and by now he is far from being interesting at all. He is in the middle of the main storyline but his importance is the same, he has minimun screen time.
And come on, gay storyline will reflect the real life? this is difficult to believe when the gay character will be related to someone who inject botox to fake being blind.
I know people is dissapointed with Luke and Noah's storylines because they had high hopes (for me it's just a cheesy guilty pleasure), but the truth is ATWT were the one who take the risk to introduce gay characters, and to be honest, their starting storyline (as the mcdean or Ollian) was far more catchy than this one, wich right now are more interested by spoilers than by the real storyline.
It's good that they don't go with coming out storylines, but if no regular is coming out that means that they need to introduce gay characters, and i find difficult to believe that someone can be interested in what happends to all new characters. All gay storylines that have success, at least one of the gay characters were some time on the show and were popular before the proper gay storyline began
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Post by tihkon2 on May 28, 2009 11:54:42 GMT -5
jjose, I've seen you mention something like this a few times, and it always makes me do a double take.
As far as I can tell, there is no Rafe storyline at this moment and the gay storyline hasn't even begun yet.
They just let us know he's gay, that's all.
So in other words, if people are looking for just that storyline I wouldn't even begin to watch the show yet. This message board and AfterElton.com, etc... will let us know , I'm sure, when the story will actually start.
Of course if people want to watch the show now and get a feel for it, that's their decision. But like I said, there is no Rafe gay storyline to get into yet.
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Post by pepe1958 on May 28, 2009 12:09:01 GMT -5
Well, speaking as someone who watches Y&R on a regular basis, I have to say that even though the gay storyline(s) haven't yet begun, the show itself is creatively on fire: just this week, the scenes where Phyllis discovered Sharon could be pregnant with Nick's baby, then Jack discovering that Sharon's baby could also (!) be his brother Billy's child...it was absolutely gripping. Who knew that the old chestnut of "who's the daddy?" could be so gripping all over again?
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Post by maya on May 29, 2009 6:00:04 GMT -5
After reading Maria Arena Bell interview I'm quite hopeful that the gay storyline will become prominent in the next months.
After all Y&R is famous for building stories slowly and powerfully and I agree with pepe: the show is worth watching with or without a gay storyline.
I'm sure that if Y&R will give the right amount of time to develop this story, it could teach a lesson to ATwT on how to write for a gay couple (Nuke was written like a total mess since the first time they get together)
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 2, 2009 18:59:58 GMT -5
A new interview with Yani Gellman (Rafe) conducted by The Advocate's Michael Fairman; Yani doesn't discuss the Chris Engen scandal and gives few hints about what will happen with his character, but his enthusiasm for the role and the story is wonderful: www.advocate.com/exclusive_detail_ektid87810.asp |
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