Emmerdale - Spoilers Discussion

[alicat]

Dec 10, 2009 22:23:53 GMT -5 dane323 said:

Is it possible ED would meet quietly with Adam Thomas and tell him the end plan is for him to wind up with Aaron, but if the press, cast members, crew or anyone asks, as far as he knows he is straight? If I was ED, that's what I would do. I would want to keep it a secret as much as possible up until the dramatic reveal. Why let the cat out of the bag 6 months in advance or whatever?

I can't help but think the same. The character of Adam seems to have been created as a very good match to Aaron, the on-screen chemistry is fantastic, and the build-up has been subtly happening over months - and there was still so much implied in last night's eps above and beyond the 'sledgehammer' stuff of AA pretty much ingnoring Holly for the regular viewers. Also, up till now, the PR has kept Adam very ambiguous. Which made me think, did ED go to all this trouble just to hook people in? Or are they trying to push Aaron's lone story as their unique selling point here ... possibly to be followed up by a romance of some sort? But now the problem for me is, if the romance is not with Adam, once Aaron has come to terms with his sexuality, where does he believably go from here, as others have said above? Or will Aaron's screen-time from here on in be bittersweet? Or will Danny's contract expire and he leaves anyway?

GB seems to have 'couples that are meant to be' and 'stepping stone' couples, where both characters 'benefit' from their dalliance then move on in another sl. But I've never seen a 'stepping stone' couple had so much build-up before. Faye / Cain is a good example - while I thought they'd be fantastic together, they were never meant to be as both characters had other longer-term objectives. I really don't remember the build-up being comparable to AA's though .

Bit of a McDean comparison here - once I knew that JP and Craig would get together, then re-watched earlier eps with that in mind, it was clear to see that the clues were there all along - I couldn't believe I'd missed them, they were like flashing neon. I'm finding it impossible not to draw similarities with the way that AA is being told.

Really should let this go though....

[cjworrell88]

Adam and Scarlet dating which actually could be interesting because Scarlet's Carl's sister who happens to be dating Aaron mum

[alicat]

Dec 11, 2009 4:49:20 GMT -5 cjworrell88 said:

Adam and Scarlet dating which actually could be interesting because Scarlet's Carl's sister who happens to be dating Aaron mum

Yeah, that thought had crossed my mind - I know that soapland is notoriously full of links, but this link has potential! See with the whole Scarlett/Adam thing - Scadam?? - there's been no build-up, unlike AA ...

So I wonder if they're going to be more of a 'stepping stone' couple, which break up in due course, with each character having learnt something from their experiences. Scarlett's going to come into money - which will isolate her from her peer group and turn her family into vultures, so yes she will need someone to help her story be told - Adam doesn't seem like the type to be after her money, and seems someone pretty much content with a farmer's life, so he fits the bill here. Assuming that Scadam happens in January, this will happen on the back of Adam trying to tell people that Aaron came onto him - yet no one believes him, which leaves Adam looking a bit daft. So it's not entirely implausible then that he thinks he should find a girlfriend..... his heart may not be particularly in it, as he's never shown much interest in Scarlett before, but it could be a question of convenience. So we could potentially have a short-term relationship about to happen.

Meanwhile with Aaron, he's doing his best to deny his feelings, possibly using the 'shields' that GB mentioned in his interview. Yet seeing Adam with Scarlett, surely would push him into jealousy overdrive, and he'd be unable to ignore the fact that he wants Adam - in fact the feelings may even intensify. Forbidden fruit and all that.... So Aaron takes a while to come to terms with things.

And then ... we reach the stage where Aaron has accepted himself, and Adam's come out of a very dull (there's that word again! : relationship.

This is what I'd do with the story anyway - I can't believe that the writers would throw this all away

[overtherainbow]

Sheepie, I love you! lol. You said everything I wanted to say, and you said it brilliantly too. It's not a rant, it's the truth.

I know maybe we fans jumped the shark, we assumed Adam and Aaron were going to get together when there was no indication to that from the spoilers, but that this storyline would mostly be about Aaron. I can only speak for myself, but I tend to get overly invested in storylines like these, especially the ones with so much potential, like Emmerdale seemed to have.

Maybe we as fans shouldn't have assumed A&A would get together, but look at what we have been presented with. Is it that weird that we did? The guys have been spending a lot of time together, they have amazing chemistry, they are so different, but still have so much in common through their friendship and their care and love for each other. Adam has no previous girlfriends, he is a new character and so on. Aaron on the other hand, actually has slept with girls. I'd say it's more far fetched that Aaron is gay than Adam, even though his state of messed upness might come from struggles with his sexuality. Anyways, it would simply be the PERFECT set up. How could the writers not see that? I can't believe we can see it, but the writers can't.

I just can't express how disappointed I am. I mean, yeah, the closeted guy sleeping with a girl to prove how straight he is and then the straight best friend who is his confidante and support. Haven't we seen this 100 times before?

I have a feeling they won't "ruin" both young guys with the fact that they are gay. They want one of them to be straight for future love interests on the soap. It still sucks, and I still think the writers let a huge opportunity slip away. I too can't understand why they would bring along a new love interest for Aaron who we probably wouldn't care much for when they already HAD a potential love interest for him. It would have been so good. I mean, a guy we already know, someone we know genuinly cares for Aaron. Aaron needs someone like Adam in his life, a nice and grounded boy. And like you said Sheepie, they are different, but both being gay would have made for some excellent drama. I actually have a feeling Aaron would be more accepted for being gay than Adam. Adam comes from a picture perfect nuclear family, while Aaron's family is already messed up. And even though they are messed up he still has people who really care for him. I don't think Paddy would have anything against Aaron being gay, and I actually don't think his mother would either. It seemed like she finally understood that something was going on, and she genuinly seemed to care. I actually think she would be supportive of Aaron when he comes out. Adam would have a much harder time coming out, and like I said, it would make for great drama.

I don't know if I will be as invsteded in this storyline anymore. I wanted A&A to get together, but now I hear that that won't happen. I have seen this kind of struggle and hiding in the closet so many times before. Sure, Aaron is a complex character, and all that it involves. But like I said, I've seen this kind of storyline so many times before. I don't think I would care that much for it even if done well. I will probably watch the storyline from time to time, cause I have to admit that aaron is an interesting character. I just can't and won't get caught up with the typically hiding in the closet, but has a supporting best friend drama. I just can't get over the fact that the writers let this HUGE opportunity about pairing the boys together slip away.

Wow, it got longer than what I expected. Sorry for my rant, I had to get it out too. lol. I'm so disappointed by the writers and I guess that shows from what I wrote..

[Artzaaron]

Sheepie, I raise my hat to you for a truly excellent rant and summary of just about how everyone must feel today. I don't think I've read a better put post to show the frustration yesterdays opening scenes and spoilers for the future leave with us all. I think we're overwhelmed by what they say will be an original s/l and I know myself I've tried to think out what they'd have in mind. This was the reason, for my posting about a possible attraction, fascination by a young character such as Will Wylde.

Surely it is the inability to connect easily with one's true source of affection that creates easy options for a young teenage, such as that would be for Aaron.

20 odd years ago Eastenders caused a sensation when 38 year old Colin fell for 20 year old Barry. Ratings exploded to 17 million whereas they only stand at about 6 - 8 million today. At that time the age of consent was 21 and the storyline did do so much to have the age reduced to 16 as it stands today. It caused revolution but kept the audience gripped for a couple of years.

Colin was 15 years older than Barry and at the time their relationship shocked, was frowned upon, and was condemned under the law. Aaron is 17 coming on 18, whereas Will is 12 coming on 13. An age difference of 5 years but you're not going to tell me in real life that 13 years old don't end up having relationships, crushes with 17/18 year olds. Think back to your own first encounters and the strong desire of a youngster, whether male or female for the older person.

A hint of what I thought may happen came from Will having an incredible almost worshiping of Ryan Lamb after Ryan rescued him from the stable. Of course, in reality Ryan was Will's half brother. I didn't give it too much thought at the time but in the light of the new Aaron s/l it may have been purposely played out for several episodes for a reason. It did give a hint at Will's capacity of hero worship for the older guy.

Aaron roams the forest and dales with the dog or when he is depressed, looking for answers. On such an occasion maybe he encounters Will, who is having one of his fits, or in trouble. Maybe the production will show an attraction, a really trying situation for Aaron, which he'll resist but be sorely tempted. This, for me, is the only original like storyline I could come up with, which will educate and show a reality in the coming to terms with a young gay's emotions and struggle to come to terms with his situation.

[alicat]

And just to torture myself even more ...

Do you think Adam starts questioning his own sexuality?
"No, Adam's straight and he knows what he wants but he's basically taken aback. He can't believe the situation because [Aaron] likes his sister then he comes on to him - What's going on? He's just confused, really."

What a question to ask!!!!! To put the lid on AA once and for all, why not ask something like "Are Aaron and Adam going to end up in a relationship at some point / ever going to be more than just friends?" Then if the answer was a clear "no" - I wouldn't be having all these nagging thoughts . But more ambiguity really - Adam may well not question his own sexuality right now, and there may be more subtle hints for months on end, but that's not to say that he won't question it at some point in the future. Wasn't Craig Dean 'straight' but just happened to fall for 'JP'

Arghhhh - Aaron's confused, Adam's confused, and I'm thoroughly confused!!!!!

*needs another focus*

[overtherainbow]

Dec 11, 2009 5:07:12 GMT -5 alicat said:

Dec 11, 2009 4:49:20 GMT -5 cjworrell88 said:

Adam and Scarlet dating which actually could be interesting because Scarlet's Carl's sister who happens to be dating Aaron mum

Yeah, that thought had crossed my mind - I know that soapland is notoriously full of links, but this link has potential! See with the whole Scarlett/Adam thing - Scadam?? - there's been no build-up, unlike AA ...

So I wonder if they're going to be more of a 'stepping stone' couple, which break up in due course, with each character having learnt something from their experiences. Scarlett's going to come into money - which will isolate her from her peer group and turn her family into vultures, so yes she will need someone to help her story be told - Adam doesn't seem like the type to be after her money, and seems someone pretty much content with a farmer's life, so he fits the bill here. Assuming that Scadam happens in January, this will happen on the back of Adam trying to tell people that Aaron came onto him - yet no one believes him, which leaves Adam looking a bit daft. So it's not entirely implausible then that he thinks he should find a girlfriend..... his heart may not be particularly in it, as he's never shown much interest in Scarlett before, but it could be a question of convenience. So we could potentially have a short-term relationship about to happen.

Meanwhile with Aaron, he's doing his best to deny his feelings, possibly using the 'shields' that GB mentioned in his interview. Yet seeing Adam with Scarlett, surely would push him into jealousy overdrive, and he'd be unable to ignore the fact that he wants Adam - in fact the feelings may even intensify. Forbidden fruit and all that.... So Aaron takes a while to come to terms with things.

And then ... we reach the stage where Aaron has accepted himself, and Adam's come out of a very dull (there's that word again! : relationship.

This is what I'd do with the story anyway - I can't believe that the writers would throw this all away

I agree, that would be kinda interesting to watch. But it's not that different from what I've seen 100 times before. The coming out story of Aaron is interesting, but it will never be more than "interesting" as we know what could have been so great will never happen. I don't care for Adam and Scarlett, I don't care for Adam and about him being in heterosexual relationships. I want Adam and Aaron to be together, they have this amazing chemistry, and it annoys the hell out of me that the writers can't see that. They would have been perfect for each other. Sigh, ok, I'll stop now, before I get even more upset, lol.

[overtherainbow]

Dec 11, 2009 5:20:35 GMT -5 alicat said:

And just to torture myself even more ...

Do you think Adam starts questioning his own sexuality?
"No, Adam's straight and he knows what he wants but he's basically taken aback. He can't believe the situation because [Aaron] likes his sister then he comes on to him - What's going on? He's just confused, really."

What a question to ask!!!!! To put the lid on AA once and for all, why not ask something like "Are Aaron and Adam going to end up in a relationship at some point / ever going to be more than just friends?" Then if the answer was a clear "no" - I wouldn't be having all these nagging thoughts . But more ambiguity really - Adam may well not question his own sexuality right now, and there may be more subtle hints for months on end, but that's not to say that he won't question it at some point in the future. Wasn't Craig Dean 'straight' but just happened to fall for 'JP'

Arghhhh - Aaron's confused, Adam's confused, and I'm thoroughly confused!!!!!

*needs another focus*

Yeah, the more I read bout it the more I think A&A won't happen. It's a shame, because it looks like the total opposite if you watch it and don't read the spoilers, oh well.. The writers are idiots for not seeing what we see.

[lovecars100]

Dec 10, 2009 21:04:31 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

I am sorely disappointed that the hoped for A&A story is not gonna happen though not unduly surprised by it.

ED is selling this story by it’s originality – and I can only say really?

You said it Sheepie.... What a bummer
The interview with the producer and the spoilers seem a bit at odds to me. Gavin stresses on originality of the story but as far as we've seen and heard it's pretty much all been done before

Guy snogging girl to show somebody else he's not gay - check
Guy trying to sleep with a girl to make himself believe he's not gay - check
Guy full of angst at himself and everybody he cares about - a HUGE check

What hasn't been shown

2 guys who are so different from each other - that somehow they complete each other
one a yin and one a yang - high and low - dark and light - coming together, turbulent at first and finally perfect....
and the chemistry! the chemistry that pulsates from the screen to the viewer that we can feel it..

However, my hope keeps refusing to die, so I'm thinking what Dane suggested, that ED has decided to keep this under wraps for the time being...

Sorry that this has become another rant, lol!!! Just can't help it:(

[cheerios]

I'm really sad they went this route of not the two boys going together instead of Aaron being the confused trouble young lad and Adam to be the friend. It's all been done before...

[overtherainbow]

Dec 11, 2009 9:41:30 GMT -5 lovecars100 said:

Dec 10, 2009 21:04:31 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

I am sorely disappointed that the hoped for A&A story is not gonna happen though not unduly surprised by it.

ED is selling this story by it’s originality – and I can only say really?

You said it Sheepie.... What a bummer
The interview with the producer and the spoilers seem a bit at odds to me. Gavin stresses on originality of the story but as far as we've seen and heard it's pretty much all been done before

Guy snogging girl to show somebody else he's not gay - check
Guy trying to sleep with a girl to make himself believe he's not gay - check
Guy full of angst at himself and everybody he cares about - a HUGE check

What hasn't been shown

2 guys who are so different from each other - that somehow they complete each other
one a yin and one a yang - high and low - dark and light - coming together, turbulent at first and finally perfect....
and the chemistry! the chemistry that pulsates from the screen to the viewer that we can feel it..

However, my hope keeps refusing to die, so I'm thinking what Dane suggested, that ED has decided to keep this under wraps for the time being...

Sorry that this has become another rant, lol!!! Just can't help it:(

Don't worry, I've already had a rant. lol, I think we all have in our ways.. Many people are upset about the news, and I don't blame them, I am too.

This storyline had so much potential, A&A are so different, but opposites attract, right? It could have been so great. There would be so much drama, especially from Adam's family when they found it he was gay.

Ugh, whatever. I'm done with this storyline. I will watch once in a while, cause I like Aaron and I want to see his journey. It's not something new though, it's not something that hasn't been done 100 times before. I'm just thinking what it could have been instead now.

I'm still hodling on hope. Maybe the writers are keeping it under wraps. Maybe this is like what happened to McDean, or maybe the writers will change their minds when they see the fan reaction. Anyways, you never know.. I guess for now though we just have to face it, there will be no A&A in the near future

[Deleted]

It´s depressing. People tuning in from around the world to watch the A&A clips on youtube because this was something that could turn out to be really original. And they just through it away. It´s not even smart from a producer point of view. And what producer said in a interview "We'll see how people react to Aaron's sexuality at various stages along the way. Adam will never be far away from this and will help shape the decisions - right and wrong - that Aaron makes about his future."
Who cares if Adam never will be far away if he turns out to be just another boring, kind and heterosexual friend? What do they think? The only reason I can see for this is that they are afraid.
Because of the actorsa talent and their chemistry this was on it´s way to become a very realistic portrayal that could actually move the audience on a deeper emotional level. and I think they are afraid to show this in a teenager story. That´s the only thing I can think of, cause it´s not ratings or quality they´re worried about. But they should be now!

[dane323]

Sheepie, I totally hear your frustrations. Since I'm brand new to Emmerdale, I'm still trying to figure out who everyone is. Hell, I can't even tell the difference between a few of the actresses when they occasionally pop on the screen. So, I'm not nearly as invested as you and many others here. Still, I'm loving what I'm seeing to this point. And I'm in your boat...they'd BETTER put A&A together eventually.

But I'm curious, is this the general reaction of fans, not just this site? Or do perhaps a great portion of fans NOT want to see Adam end up gay too? This board will obviously be biased towards the pairing.

As for the couple, I still hold out great hope. You just can't divulge major plot points that are 6 months or more away. Didn't they only approach Danny 3-4 months prior to this s/l to discuss it with him? Sooo much can happen between now and then. And it wouldn't be appropriate for anyone to release info that far in advance. For now, this is the Aaron & Adam story, as told through Aaron's eyes. It definitely sounds like their friendship (bromance?) will intensify over the upcoming months. What will be interesting is how Adam's feelings toward Aaron intensify, even if we consider him straight right now. When Aaron eventually finds someone else (if that happens), I expect Adam will be down right jealous no matter what! (It really does remind me of McDean in many ways, all this set up at the moment.)

[alicat]

Dec 11, 2009 15:29:22 GMT -5 dane323 said:

As for the couple, I still hold out great hope. You just can't divulge major plot points that are 6 months or more away. Didn't they only approach Danny 3-4 months prior to this s/l to discuss it with him? Sooo much can happen between now and then. And it wouldn't be appropriate for anyone to release info that far in advance. For now, this is the Aaron & Adam story, as told through Aaron's eyes. It definitely sounds like their friendship (bromance?) will intensify over the upcoming months. What will be interesting is how Adam's feelings toward Aaron intensify, even if we consider him straight right now. When Aaron eventually finds someone else (if that happens), I expect Adam will be down right jealous no matter what! (It really does remind me of McDean in many ways, all this set up at the moment.)

Hearing you loud and clear ;D

[overtherainbow]

Dec 11, 2009 15:29:22 GMT -5 dane323 said:

But I'm curious, is this the general reaction of fans, not just this site? Or do perhaps a great portion of fans NOT want to see Adam end up gay too? This board will obviously be biased towards the pairing.

I really don't know, as I haven't seen the reaction on other boards. It would assume that one of the reasons not to pair them would be to "save" Adam for future love interests. Having two gay guys on one soap really limits the options of what they can do with their storyline and their love lives. They don't have many young guys on the show, only Aaron, Adam and Ryan comes to mind. I would also think that they might look at it as kinda controversial, perhaps?

[jjose712]

I don't have a problem with Adam being straight, i have a problem with the fact that the guy just spoil of the interest of the storyline before it starts.
It would be realistic to fall for a straight buddy, and it would be very well played, and even their frienshid (after the come out) could be great (in a sense is great the Julio-Fer frienship or even the gorka-Fer friendship on física o química), but in that interview just spoil all the potential interest in the development of the story because you just know the A&A ia nor even a posibility, and that makes all a lot less interesting.

And i just read again and again how new is all this, but the truth is that alpha male gays who struggle with their sexuality is nothing new, in fact Degrassy have the same type of gay guy just right now

[carld2]

Dec 11, 2009 16:52:53 GMT -5 jjose712 said:

And i just read again and again how new is all this, but the truth is that alpha male gays who struggle with their sexuality is nothing new, in fact Degrassy have the same type of gay guy just right now

I'm not sure if Degrassi having the same character means it's nothing new. Besides, this story might go on for years, with a lot of episodes, whereas Riley only seems to be on a few seasons of Degrassi, with semi-regular appearances.

I don't think the story is the most original story ever, and I'm not sure if they are trying to sell it as such, but I do think it's original for someone like Aaron, who is a bit of a chav, very damaged, thuggish, angry at the world, to question his sexuality. You don't see that on a lot of soaps.

And there has NEVER been a story on Emmerdale where a young guy, or any guy, questions his sexuality, aside from a brief bit where a gay man tried to become straight. They knew who they were before they came on the show and generally stayed that way. So maybe they meant this story was new for Emmerdale.

What hasn't been shown

2 guys who are so different from each other - that somehow they complete each other
one a yin and one a yang - high and low - dark and light - coming together, turbulent at first and finally perfect....
and the chemistry! the chemistry that pulsates from the screen to the viewer that we can feel it..

Yes, but they've done these types of stories on Hollyoaks and Eastenders over the past few years. They became sort of the standard for how to write a gay story on a British soap.

Emmerdale is generally a more conservative show, so I'm not too surprised if they aren't going to go into a relationship anytime soon, if ever.

I don't think that having Aaron kiss a girl or try to sleep with her is cliche. That's what happens with a lot of young men who begin to think they're gay, especially if they, like Aaron, have only had feelings for women up to that point.

I think it would become a cliche if Aaron went the route of Craig on Hollyoaks or Syed on Eastenders and used Holly, or another girl, for months and months, as we focus more on her delusions and her happy fantasies than on the man and what he's feeling.

As for them giving too much away -- I don't think they've given very much away. All we know is he's not going to be involved with Adam, at least not anytime soon, and this is a long story where he questions himself.

I'm actually relieved they didn't try to make us think Aaron and Adam would get together, because to lead fans on that way and then let them down months later would have been unfair.

[carld2]

Dec 11, 2009 15:29:22 GMT -5 dane323 said:

But I'm curious, is this the general reaction of fans, not just this site? Or do perhaps a great portion of fans NOT want to see Adam end up gay too? This board will obviously be biased towards the pairing.

At Digital Spy, a lot of people were looking forward to the pairing, but others resented the idea of another gay couple being created out of thin air, some didn't believe Aaron would be gay, others felt like the show was ripping off the Debbie/Jasmine story. Others complained that some viewers automatically support any story about two attractive men.

I think they will lose more support than gain by not going for Adam/Aaron but I think if the story is good long term, then people may be interested, because I think some fans aren't sure of the idea of a couple being created quickly and pushed at them. I think that's one of the problems with Syed/Christian on Eastenders. They were just created for drama, mostly so the Masoods could have drama, and their actual relationship has been an afterthought.

[carld2]

Dec 10, 2009 21:04:31 GMT -5 sheepiefarm said:

Oh let me guess another hetero cast member with a string of female conquests / skirt chasing / litters of children everywhere is "suddenly" gonna discover he likes them with a bit more muscle - nothing new & original there then
ED have done that story 3 times already

What are the three times?

I can't remember them. I don't know the history as well as some do.

Jason Kirk was gay when he started on the show. He slept with Bernice's boyfriend, who was bisexual and didn't seem to question it.

Paul came on the show, and was gay. He had a relationship with Ivan, who was bisexual from the start, his marriage had broken up before he moved to the village because of his bisexuality. Then he got together with Jonny, who was also gay from the start. He had a fling with Grayson, who had struggled with his sexuality for years.

I can't remember a straight man on the show who questioned themselves.

While the notion that Adam becomes the confidante – the str8 best-mate – the trigger that pushes Aaron’s buttons down this journey, is compelling enough – how bittersweet is this tale gonna be by the end. Oh – Aaron has finally found his path – Adam has been the saviour – and once again we have another story of boy falls in love with best friend only to be eternally heartbroken – where’s the originality in that?

Yes, but someone could say, where's the originality in a young man who falls in love with his best friend, who claims to be straight, then gets together with him. They'd say, "That's McDean."

I guess the question is whether Aaron will have any feelings for other men or if it stops at Adam. If he has feelings for other men, in time, then it doesn't have to end in heartbreak.

I don't think Aaron would just be able to forget his feelings again because Adam knocks him back. Aaron is very volatile, and the more he tries to suppress something, the harder it will be.

[overtherainbow]

Carld2: I agree that it's better that the wirters tell us the truth now rather than later. I still think the writers are being stupid though. It's obvious they are afraid to go there with A&A, which is a shame. It has been said many times before. It would be perect, Adam hasn't had a girlfriend before, they have amazing chemistry too. It's more far fetched that Aaron is gay than Adam. The writers could have easily included Adam in this storyline, as something more than just a supporter and friend. I know that this won't happen now, and I understand that the fans are upset, even though we may have just assumed they would get together which wasn't true after all.

The truth is that the writers could have really made this storyline a huge success and really popular. It's obvious a lot of fans want A&A to get together, and they leave them all disappointed now.

The thing is that coming out stories are always facinating, they still lack some important part of the characters life, what about the love life? Gay people can't have a love life too? I just think we as fans could get more invested in the character if we saw that character having a love interest too.

[Deleted]

I totally agree with homonikum. And it´s not that the fans have jumped to far-fetched conclusions. They have gone out of their way to tease us with an A&A love story. Partly by making Adam so ambiguous in his attitude (always getting Aaron to take his clothes off, lines like "come on pretty boy I´m ready for you this time" among others things) but an even bigger evidence of this strategy is all the promotion photos of the "kiss" that you can see are NOT taken from the actual film footages, but staged for press releases. I think the tv show have been very manipulating in order to get fans that´s interested in a gay story line. Fans which they know consists of a big group of mainly straight females and gay males.

[carld2]

Dec 11, 2009 19:05:24 GMT -5 @hmmmmmmm said:

I totally agree with homonikum. And it´s not that the fans have jumped to far-fetched conclusions. They have gone out of their way to tease us with an A&A love story. Partly by making Adam so ambiguous in his attitude (always getting Aaron to take his clothes off, lines like "come on pretty boy I´m ready for you this time" among others things) but an even bigger evidence of this strategy is all the promotion photos of the "kiss" that you can see are NOT taken from the actual film footages, but staged for press releases. I think the tv show have been very manipulating in order to get fans that´s interested in a gay story line. Fans which they know consists of a big group of mainly straight females and gay males.

I think if they were that manipulative they wouldn't say in interviews that the story won't pair up Adam/Aaron, or at least won't for a long time.

Part of the story is about ambiguity, as that's why Aaron tries to kiss Adam, but I don't know if their idea was to mislead or con viewers. I think that the fans who wanted to see more there, of which I'm one, did see more, but it wasn't something which was written out and then the rug was yanked from under us.

[Deleted]

Well, these statements about Adam being straight came just in the last days. They probably got cold feet when they understood all the attention and hope for this SL and didn´t want to mislead people anymore. but up until now I think they staged their promotion by clearly building an image of Aaron and adam as a couple.

[carld2]

Dec 11, 2009 18:32:46 GMT -5 overtherainbow said:

Carld2: I agree that it's better that the wirters tell us the truth now rather than later. I still think the writers are being stupid though. It's obvious they are afraid to go there with A&A, which is a shame. It has been said many times before. It would be perect, Adam hasn't had a girlfriend before, they have amazing chemistry too. It's more far fetched that Aaron is gay than Adam. The writers could have easily included Adam in this storyline, as something more than just a supporter and friend. I know that this won't happen now, and I understand that the fans are upset, even though we may have just assumed they would get together which wasn't true after all.

The truth is that the writers could have really made this storyline a huge success and really popular. It's obvious a lot of fans want A&A to get together, and they leave them all disappointed now.

The thing is that coming out stories are always facinating, they still lack some important part of the characters life, what about the love life? Gay people can't have a love life too? I just think we as fans could get more invested in the character if we saw that character having a love interest too.

If the story ends without Adam ever having a love life with another man, then I will be disappointed and I think it's cheap, cowardly writing. However, I'm not sure that will happen. I know it could happen, but I think there's also a chance that after Aaron sorts himself out, he might become involved with another man. If not Adam, then someone else.

I think to bring this story up they must have to have some eventual plan for Adam and another man, because even with the angst of Aaron hating himself and acting out and all that, it will seem hollow if, after a few months of agony, or whatever, he just ends up with a woman.

I think part of their reason for not putting Aaron and Adam together is fear, but I think another part might be not wanting to rush. We barely know Adam, and really, we don't even know Aaron all that well. I can see where they might have wanted to use this as a catalyst to let us see more about Aaron, and they don't want to complicate that by making it into a romance.

Some fans will be disappointed by Aaron and Adam not getting together. I know I am. But then, some fans are probably disappointed Aaron is gay, if he is gay, or some fans are disappointed at the idea of a gay couple being on their show. So it's probably a wash either way.

In a lot of ways it would have been easier, maybe better, if they had made Adam gay, and Aaron either straight, or eventually falling for Aaron. I guess they decided they were more interested in exploring what someone as out of control as Aaron does if he not only realizes he might be gay, but also knows that the man he has feelings for does not feel the same way about him.

I think that story could be interesting, if the writing is there, which is a BIG if. And while it does not provide what Adam and Aaron could have provided, I'm not entirely sure if Emmerdale will ever provide that anyway, given its history. Hollyoaks was one of a kind in that respect, for British soaps. If Adam and Aaron had gotten together, and the story was barely about them, and they never really got to show their affection for each other, as happens on Corrie and Eastenders, then maybe it's for the best this story didn't happen.

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Dec 11, 2009 19:15:30 GMT -5 @hmmmmmmm said:

Well, these statements about Adam being straight came just in the last days. They probably got cold feet when they understood all the attention and hope for this SL and didn´t want to mislead people anymore. but up until now I think they staged their promotion by clearly building an image of Aaron and adam as a couple.

That could be possible, but from what they've said, it seems like everything was planned out in advance.

I think we saw what we wanted to see. Some people saw them as friends. Others saw them as possibly being more. I wanted Adam to be gay, or be in a relationship with Aaron, but then, even in his first scenes, he was checking out women, so I'm not sure it was ever in mind.