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Post by kes on Jul 3, 2009 14:22:35 GMT -5
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 10, 2009 22:58:41 GMT -5
Andre, Lola...was wondering if you have any ratings for the Ollian centric episodes this week?
I really hope they did at least decent, since i think the acting and storyline so far has been terrific this past week.
Thanks you.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 11, 2009 0:40:24 GMT -5
They did quite good. They were above 12 percent, alas not over 2 million (but they haven't been in a while). Viewers dropped from the first to the second episode, but percentages stayed the same. This is the second time where it has seemed to me that the first Ollian episode got a spike compared to the previous not Ollian episode. I'm quite pleased
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Post by Nitty on Jul 11, 2009 0:58:11 GMT -5
Woot, woot! Cool, Lola, Cool!
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 11, 2009 13:27:32 GMT -5
They did quite good. They were above 12 percent, alas not over 2 million (but they haven't been in a while). Viewers dropped from the first to the second episode, but percentages stayed the same. This is the second time where it has seemed to me that the first Ollian episode got a spike compared to the previous not Ollian episode. I'm quite pleased Lola- thank you so very much for posting the info. I'm very pleased to know that they did just fine and the ratings bumped up compared to the previous none Ollian episode. ;D I know some people don't put too much stock into ratings, but I think it is very important, and may even determine who gets want when it comes to air time based on viewers tunning in or out when certain characters are featured.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 13, 2009 9:16:23 GMT -5
*A little heads-up. My theory about VL's PR-work was proved. Picture Puzzle Medien is producing almost all materials for official website. www.dwdl.de/features/infoboerse/mitteilung_21788.html *I don't know about chrolli.de, because it's about characters not actors, like also YT-channel of the Princess and Lydia's blog. My guess is that videos are scripted and filmed by UFA Grundy as an inseparable part of VL. *Bernadette Feiler is still "only" script-editor for another week, but I noticed that there are two new storyliners at the end of July for the first time in months. So it seems to be "her team".
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Post by kes on Jul 15, 2009 15:02:07 GMT -5
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Post by mona on Jul 20, 2009 12:11:09 GMT -5
So - DasErste is changing the VL website? (showed during VL) I'm really curious. Just the layout? Or everything new like a new Banner ( SPOILER!Starla?...Now I'm afraid again they cut Chrolli out there but it's a weird time because the new Sebastian will come soon and so on. So they change it now and have to do it again in a few months which would make sense to include Starla for a couple months) and new text about the characters (I think it's time to change something there). I try to be optimistic because someone seems to like Chrolli there (Only couple with a desktop picture etc.) But what else is there to change? Maybe they only do it like the Marienhof page, different colors and some new pics but that's not something they have to tell us during VL
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Post by chango on Jul 20, 2009 13:12:04 GMT -5
Maybe they'll finally stream whole episodes or put up some other neat goodies. They should really offer updated wallpapers for all characters and other popular couples for example. GreLu are supposed to be the show's super-couple and from what I read Starla have persistent fans too. I love the fact that they're supporting the great interest in Ollian now, but I'm always a little worried that some of the fans who have a rather neutral opinion regarding Ollian will get annoyed at some point if they feel DasErste ist starting to neglect other actors and stories.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 20, 2009 16:01:55 GMT -5
Maybe they'll finally stream whole episodes or put up some other neat goodies. They should really offer updated wallpapers for all characters and other popular couples for example. GreLu are supposed to be the show's super-couple and from what I read Starla have persistent fans too. I love the fact that they're supporting the great interest in Ollian now, but I'm always a little worried that some of the fans who have a rather neutral opinion regarding Ollian will get annoyed at some point if they feel DasErste ist starting to neglect other actors and stories. I completely agree. Especially in last few weeks it seems that some people are getting annoyed because of Ollian promotion. For Starla fans was the breaking point probably "their" Anna Maria Kaufmann video, where Jo and Thore sang and soon after that came the video blog. I love that Jo and Thore take time for fans and its seems that some popular actors don't care very much about their fandom, but Das Erste should find a better balance. There has been always people in German forums, who don't like Ollian, but lately they are somehow more prominent again. Probably it's partly because Ollian has got some screentime again, but their huge promotion seems to be at least as important. I didn't read very much forums last year, so I don't know, if it's something new or where these people just "under the rock" meanwhile.
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Post by mona on Jul 20, 2009 16:56:15 GMT -5
I think most (not Ollian fans)fans are neutral and even like the blog for example because they don't have to look at it. But some fans don't get that "their" actors just "decide" they don't want to do more and then of course they're always "bitching" at actors who seem to "get" more. For a long time VL didn't have many actors who made many things for fans but right now it's popular for some (Mascha Müller writing in her forum or the Blog from Jo Weil for example). That alone shows that it's about the people because that's their private effort where the ARD can't do anything (also most of the Ollian related stuff before like the online chat) The ARD videos are pretty much with everyone. Jasmin Lord got a few things etc. It's not like they get a lot screentime or every year an anniversary episode or things like SuCa with the cinema preview. Then I would understand it.
Especially with Mascha Müller now, It gets obvious (again) that it's not impossible to write a nice message in a forum or to write personal words to the fans now and then.
I don't find it impossible if they give Starla a lot space on the website (new banner etc.)
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 20, 2009 20:19:04 GMT -5
Maybe they'll finally stream whole episodes or put up some other neat goodies. They should really offer updated wallpapers for all characters and other popular couples for example. GreLu are supposed to be the show's super-couple and from what I read Starla have persistent fans too. I love the fact that they're supporting the great interest in Ollian now, but I'm always a little worried that some of the fans who have a rather neutral opinion regarding Ollian will get annoyed at some point if they feel DasErste ist starting to neglect other actors and stories. I completely agree. Especially in last few weeks it seems that some people are getting annoyed because of Ollian promotion. For Starla fans was the breaking point probably "their" Anna Maria Kaufmann video, where Jo and Thore sang and soon after that came the video blog. I love that Jo and Thore take time for fans and its seems that some popular actors don't care very much about their fandom, but Das Erste should find a better balance. There has been always people in German forums, who don't like Ollian, but lately they are somehow more prominent again. Probably it's partly because Ollian has got some screentime again, but their huge promotion seems to be at least as important. I didn't read very much forums last year, so I don't know, if it's something new or where these people just "under the rock" meanwhile. I think it boils down to jealously, especially regarding the Carla and Stella fans? And now with Jo and Thore getting some attention with a new Ollian storyline and a Vlog, it's reached critical mass for them. And when you throw in Ollian being in the banner, traveling and promoting VL, not just at home but also abroad, time off to travel to different countries...Canada, England and hopefully soon America ;D there was bound to be some resentment. And maybe not even just from the fans, but who knows how some of their cast members are really feeling. But I think their recognition is well deserved. Jo and Thore have put VL on the map. They have promoted VL with full commitment. They are respectful and appreciate their fans and are always so graceful. And least we forget...they have created one of the most amazing stories ever on VL or any SOAP for that matter. As for the Starla fans...if they want to place blame on the lack of attention their couple are getting, then look no further than the writers who decided to spend month after month on the whole Charlie/Stella, dead from the get go relationship. Meanwhile all us Ollian fans had to sit on our hands while Olli and Christian played background noise to everyone. It's only now after over seven months that Ollian have gotten something. The actress who plays Stella has actually clocked up some serious screen time since her arrival eight months ago, and it's still on going now with her new found relationship with Carla. So I don't think much can be argued regarding Stella time. To tell you the truth...I think the promotion of Ollian are well past due. Their popularity across the world, which continues to grow deserves attention. I don't know VL's full history, but I don't think they have seen a phenomena like this before involving any of their characters.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 20, 2009 21:28:04 GMT -5
Jealousy is certainly one explanation, but big part of the problem is apparently that current Ollian story doesn't live up to the hype anymore. It has been quite sloppy and with some big caps. There has been several chances to expand the story, but writers are just hoping from one mini-story to another, without creating an arc. We, the fans, have watched the old clips from "golden era" several times and know them by heart, but general audience has long forgot what was a year ago and it seems weird to promote them so much now. People have lost connection and interest. Ollian is rather a background/outgoing couple and it doesn't look like they will be really prominent in the show again.
I argue that "public opinion" in German forums is slowly turning against Ollian, at least they are still clearly ahead of LySeb and Mathias/Nathalie, but things are not looking rosy. (You don't see it very much in official forum, because it's under the control of Ollian fans and people are afraid to be very critical there, but it's apparent for example in CH forums, in soapsworld.de or also AJ forum). I feel a little bit "best before is over" sentiment. Maybe a really big and longterm larger than life story would save them, but this current style "fight in every few weeks" is working against them and bringing the end closer. Having stories as separate characters seems to be now the only other realistic way to keep status quo.
It seems that big and vocal fandom may be the tragedy of Ollian: writers are afraid to do something very provocative with them but they also can't break them up, which means that they will probably be in hiatus as a couple until one or both actors will leave. Characters are at the moment hostages of the story. Maybe new head writer will find a good way out, maybe not.
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 20, 2009 22:27:15 GMT -5
Jealousy is certainly one explanation, but big part of the problem is apparently that current Ollian story doesn't live up to the hype anymore. It has been quite sloppy and with some big caps. There has been several chances to expand the story, but writers are just hoping from one mini-story to another, without creating an arc. We, the fans, have watched the old clips from "golden era" several times and know them by heart, but general audience has long forgot what was a year ago and it seems weird to promote them so much now. People have lost connection and interest. Ollian is rather a background/outgoing couple and it doesn't look like they will be really prominent in the show again. I argue that "public opinion" in German forums is slowly turning against Ollian, at least they are still clearly ahead of LySeb and Mathias/Nathalie, but things are not looking rosy. (You don't see it very much in official forum, because it's under the control of Ollian fans and people are afraid to be very critical there, but it's apparent for example in CH forums, in soapsworld.de or also AJ forum). I feel a little bit "best before is over" sentiment. Maybe a really big and longterm larger than life story would save them, but this current style "fight in every few weeks" is working against them and bringing the end closer. Having stories as separate characters seems to be now the only other realistic way to keep status quo. It seems that big and vocal fandom may be the tragedy of Ollian: writers are afraid to do something very provocative with them but they also can't break them up, which means that they will probably be in hiatus as a couple until one or both actors will leave. Characters are at the moment hostages of the story. Maybe new head writer will find a good way out, maybe not. Thanks for the insight andre...since I don't speak German, I'm limited to reading the English speaking forums and all the youtube comments. But I had no idea that interest was turning against them based on their current storyline...which I'm really enjoying. One could also argue that the sloppiness and disjointed feel of writing stretches to the other characters. I always read about all the complaints going on with other fans of various couples because of a poorly written storyline. I look at Gregor/Louise, who are meant to be 'the super-couple' of the show but i see too much generic, rehashed and tired writing. And what about the mess which was Charlie and Stella...I think that was pretty bad and didn't even reflect favorably on either of these characters, with Charlie coming off the worst. But thanks for the information. Still I'm quite loving what I'm seeing so far for the new Ollian storying. I do believe there is a lot of resentment toward Ollian. It's just the way things go when a person or persons seem to get that favoritism. You will always get that backlash. I think VL are just loving what Jo and Thore has brought to the show regarding their characters. They obviously feel that Olli and Christian are important to the show since their screen time this past month has be very prominent with their new storyline emerging. I also still see them as important assets to VL. But we shall see where the storyline goes from here. Lets hope we can turn some of those disgruntled fans around.
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Post by lolaruns on Jul 20, 2009 22:50:09 GMT -5
I doubt that the the page will put much Starla stuff up. Why bother? The story is probably going to be over soon and we know how slow they usually are to replace those main banners. And from the show it's pretty obvious that they are not bothering with investing much screentime either. I think the point has come where we can officially consider Starla a wash (even if it was mostly the writers fault).
But I really do think that the website should spare some attention on Gregor and Luise. They might not be as popular here, but they are fairly well loved by the fans overall and they are an important story (and if anything this stuff about Jasmin Lord being voted sexiest something should be a sign that maybe there are "undercover fans" in corners where it is not as obvious; just because there aren't loud fans on the internet apparently doesn't mean that something isn't appreciated by some out there). It shouldn't matter that ARD loves Jo and Thore, and of course they should give bonus to the Ollian fans. But that doesn't mean that they shouldn't promote the other storylines too. (in fact I would argue that maybe when a story is unpopular like Matthias and Nathalie maybe that means even more that some promotion should be spent on them too)
And if anything the fact that Mascha Müller is so close to her fans on the message boards should be an indicator that she is not like Claudia Hiersche who chooses to be reclusive.
With Starla fans one can maybe claim jealousy for some because there has always been, fairly or unfairly and on both sides, a feeling that gay and lesbian couples are competing for the same screentime but if it is really true that AJ fans or Luigor fans are beginning to react with "Not again" or "how predictable" rolling eyes at yet another promotion, to me that isn't something that is necessary. Like, sure Ollian should gets a desktop for example, but it wouldn't hurt anybody to make desktops for the other main couples too. It's not like Ollian would have "less" because of that. And it would suggest the very same security of showing Ollian fans "you are one of the staple couples".
That said, I still think the "new website" will have little to do with reshaping the website to favor any couple. My secret theory is that the main new change will be that this might finally be the kickstart of entire episodes being streamed on the official mediathek website and all this promoting of a new website is really mostly about that.
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Post by brownsugar on Jul 20, 2009 23:29:26 GMT -5
lola...i'm glad you posted. I wanted to get your insight regarding what's going on at the moment over at VL and with the fans of other couples and their grumblings towards the Ollian push.
I do agree with you regarding the competing for same screen time dilemma when it comes to gay and lesbian couples. And this may have led to some backlash with the Starla fans. Because lets face it...there may have been some pitfalls during the Ollian story-lines and a too long wait for the second storyline to kick off...but overall, I can't really argue at how well they have been written. And credit to Jo and Thore for doing a terrific job.
And I have no problem with the promotion of other story-lines. I actually didn't realize that the Gregor/Louise storyline wasn't being promoted as much as it should be, since to me Grelu are looked on as the super couple of Vl, even if I care to argue otherwise. But yes...i'm all for equal promotion.
To me it appears as if the grumblings started when Ollian got the promotional spot with the singer Mascha Muller and now the Vlog which is Lilke rubbing salt into the wound of many Starla fans. But like I posted earlier...I think the promotion and recognition for Ollian and Jo and Thore is well deserved.
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Post by mona on Jul 21, 2009 6:37:40 GMT -5
I argue that "public opinion" in German forums is slowly turning against Ollian, at least they are still clearly ahead of LySeb and Mathias/Nathalie, but things are not looking rosy. (You don't see it very much in official forum, because it's under the control of Ollian fans and people are afraid to be very critical there, but it's apparent for example in CH forums, in soapsworld.de or also AJ forum). I feel a little bit "best before is over" sentiment. Maybe a really big and longterm larger than life story would save them, but this current style "fight in every few weeks" is working against them and bringing the end closer. Having stories as separate characters seems to be now the only other realistic way to keep status quo. It seems that big and vocal fandom may be the tragedy of Ollian: writers are afraid to do something very provocative with them but they also can't break them up, which means that they will probably be in hiatus as a couple until one or both actors will leave. Characters are at the moment hostages of the story. Maybe new head writer will find a good way out, maybe not. Actually I think the writers try to do an arc here. I'm more positive about it right now and it's more their "style" than the usual soap storys. They set them up as a "meant to be" couple and I think it's better to plase the fans they have. I have the same opinion with the other couples. After some time they have their fans and they have to plase them. A second story will never be the same as the falling in love but I like it anyway. As much as I like the CH Forum and AJ Forum for their infos and other things besides Chrolli, you can't take that too serious. The CH forum always made comments like that and the users who are more neutral actually like or accpet it. Starla for example have fans but apart from the Starla Schmachtthread there a also a lot people who think the writing isn't good. Or the complaining about Anne Wis. But I don't get it anyway. Apart from the blog I don't see what Jo and Thore did (and that's kinda my problem. If they would blame it on VL, "crying" about the desktop wallpaper or whatever but they blame it on the actors) Especially the Claudia Hiersche fans got so much. 3 long term lovestorys, as I mentioned a cinema preview(!). They should be the last ones to complain I think. In general, Ollian was treated horrible,too. When you think about no reunion when Olli came back from Ibiza and so on. GreLu get more screentime (probably why they don't need the blog because we actually see the "whining" in almost every episode) (For the first point, I don't want to turn this into a spoiler discussion but I think what would do them some good is actually a lighter comedy + romantic storyline like a wedding and so on after the current trouble) Well, and every couple has antis, that's natural for me. A few "funny" comments about the blog for example are kinda normal in the VL community I think. It's more the "I make fun of Chrolli fans" vibe and not the "I'm sick of the couple". The writers should be more worried how fast the Maria-Francesca story turned and almost everybody is saying: It's boring, ridculous, etc.
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Post by rhiannonhero on Jul 21, 2009 9:43:18 GMT -5
I don't even watch the Maria-Francesca stuff due to lack of subtitles, but what I've seen in discussion and what little I've weathered in watching w/out subs I've found it boring and ridiculous, personally. I'll actually watch other storylines w/out subs, even though I've no idea what is going on, such as Starla (to an extent), GreLu, and even LySeb, but I can't find any interest at all in the Maria-Francesca stuff. Maybe I would if I were watching it subbed, but I doubt it. I think it is unfortunate if there are people who are against the Christian & Olli couple. That's a bummer. And, seriously, what is wrong with them? LOL! They are so pretty to look at! And the acting is so good! I understand that the writing has been less than stellar, but even so I'd look at pretty boys kissing each other any day of the week over the Maria-Francesca nonsense! But, then again, I'm shallow. Hmm, I wonder if this belongs on General Discussion thread? Not sure. I guess that we started out talking about ratings and popularity and just sort of drifted.
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Post by mona on Jul 21, 2009 9:58:42 GMT -5
I don't know but if the anti postings are about the characters and make fun of their behaviour I can laugh pretty hard (like someone who posted how annoying Olli is when he's worried) Because - of course - Christian and Olli have quirks (maybe I feel that way because I didn't exactly like their story at the beginning,too) I just don't like if they drag it to the "behind the camera" stuff too much.
(one post at the AJ Forum is the perfect example. Basically the blog isn't something interesting but then "Why they of all people and why isn't Starla getting the "extra" work etc.).
It's a miracle to me how Lars Korten did it that the complaing always stayed on his character (unlike the David/Lydia stuff an so on)
I actually like the idea to make a general forbidden love header where everybody is involved.
Sorry, for the off topic but sometimes it's hard to see the line.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 21, 2009 10:29:00 GMT -5
I thought that fan-perceptance is rather a "behind the scenes" thing but I got a little bit carried away at the end of the post. When exactly will Das Erste launch the new website? In the midnight in 6 hours or tomorrow 18.00 CET? I hope that at least character profiles and galleries will be updated and maybe we could read out something about the upcoming story from there. For example Christian's profile in Pressemappe said already before Olli's arrival that "he is thinking that he has found his happiness with Coco and believes that it will last, but he don't know what-kinda plans destiny has with him." Page 24 www.ard-werbung.de/fileadmin/downloads/fernsehen/Pressemappen/Setcards_VL_2007.pdf Das Erste has just updated VL's profile in it's advertising section and it implies clearly, that GreLu is the most important part of the show at the moment. www.ard-werbung.de/613.html
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 21, 2009 17:27:28 GMT -5
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Post by kes on Jul 21, 2009 17:57:52 GMT -5
Thanks for the good news, Andre!!!
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Post by lugia on Jul 21, 2009 20:11:05 GMT -5
I think it boils down to jealously, especially regarding the Carla and Stella fans? It reminds me of Spike on "Buffy." He rarely had screentime (the fans counted his lines and minutes and it was way less than for example Xander's), but he was by far the most popular character online. But the Angel fans never accepted it and tried to put the Spike fans down. It escalated when production got in the middle and took sides. Spike was losing on all fronts, but the fans stayed supportive because they loved him, pure and simple. They couldn't be told anything else. I thought recently that it was similar to a character death situation. A lot of people don't like it, but it's the writers' decision, writing what they think is a good, fitting story. They shouldn't have to defend that. So they shouldn't put one pairing over another, either. On the other hand, the fans should be allowed to have that bias without anyone telling them they're "wrong." I agree that there's a certain overexposure of Ollian on the web. But that doesn't make it the "one true pairing" on the actual show. You only think in those terms when you're emotionally involved and would want them to be it or feel threatened. You use anything as "evidence" and that creates competition and a loaded environment. If LySeb fans feel slighted and are passionate, they could easily make their own online content, there's certainly plenty of show material. But they don't. You can't hold it against the Ollian fans if the other fans or actors won't do much fanwork. You can't hold it against the show, either, because LySeb is getting plenty of screentime. That may make fans, who enjoy their story, feel helpless about the future because production is on their side right now, but there's this phenomenon looming on the horizon. Their fears are sometimes closer to reality than ours because they have that look from outside in. James Marsters went to countless conventions and that created buzz, but it took years until the actual production woke up to it and he got his own calendar and joined the "Angel" spin-off. Until then it was only the fan support that made the other fans nervous. There were discussions about vocal/rabid fans vs. offline fans vs. representative fan groups back then, too. But the calendar sold out quickly every year, so it really was a phenomenon, not just some vocal fans. The hardcore fans were passionate for a reason, as it turned out, and that passion was met by equal amounts of hate from the other fan groups. But with everything promising to be lucrative, the passion won. And I think the "antis" spotted that earlier than the fans. I've treated Ollian as the same and I think the other fangroups know instinctively that they'll lose and that's what makes them react adversely to the "couple that ate their show" (even if there's no evidence of it on actual TV for sometimes years; production is notorious for not trusting rabid fan reaction and that's good, but they aren't stupid enough to let a phenomenon pass them by). I'm not thrilled about the sudden exploitation, either. Give me a balanced show and a balanced Web site. What the actors do in their freetime to promote the show or for the fans or what the fans do, shouldn't affect the objectivity of the storyline or they'll really be catering to one group and that's never ended well. I was hoping they'd make the Web site switch at midnight because they usually update then, but no suck luck. It was promoted during a really emotional scene today and felt totally misplaced. I also wanted to say that Andreas is trying to sell his car review format on YouTube somewhat aggressively, which David Hewlett very successfully did with his independent movie. So there's a trend of taking underground stuff that's really popular and making it commercial. I'm glad Jo & Thore aren't that vocal about their storyline and push for it. Fans always got annoyed that James Marsters was defending the company line to a fault, but actors are just the writers' tools, especially on a soap. It's easier to do it more politely and frankly cleverly, thank the fans for their support, make the writers realize on their own that they've created something good. Think of Jasmin tooting her own horn, that's never taken well.
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Post by lugia on Jul 21, 2009 20:32:28 GMT -5
It seems that big and vocal fandom may be the tragedy of Ollian: writers are afraid to do something very provocative with them but they also can't break them up That's a good point. I've always thought that there's a drastic difference between German and US fans. US fans are much more passionate about anything. Maybe it's because there's more money involved in Hollywood or they express emotions more openly (I'm thinking of sports). Germans like their soaps formulaic and safe, especially on DasErste, which is always joked about has a 80+ years audience. Doing something provocative can't happen on a publically funded channel. It think that's only possible if it serves the story, teaches the public something or is artsy. The private channels can be as trashy and sexy as they like. I can't explain why VL has such a good track record with LGBT characters in the first place. It's all due to the "forbidden" concept, I assume. But I never got the impression it was what they set out to do. They wanted glamorous aristocratic love and scandal and the B and C stories were family and twentysomethings. I mostly blame Chroust for giving the gay guys a promotion from C to A story, but it's clear that was taken back last winter. And Andre is right, the general audience has forgotten about them now. They're back where they belong as the C story (similar to David). The only reason they're not done completely is because they're still useful for something. It may just be to get their streamed episodes off the ground. Or to take advantage of the fanbase in some way, throwing them some sexy crumbs once in awhile. Exploit it in an as non-invasive way as possible (not actually give them a new arc on the show, but keep the buzz). It's really strange to tell if you don't know what's planned for the future. Ultimately, the production can't cater to the fans, but they're not risking the goodwill of the fans, either.
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Post by chrollifan on Jul 22, 2009 5:35:54 GMT -5
www.daserste.de/verboteneliebe/There is not much new in the new website, actually there is even less, because character galleries are gone. Online video service is the only important supplement. Although, I like new version of banner better, because Ollian is somehow more prominent and their heads are not cut anymore. Photoshopping all colorful shirts black was also a smart move IMO, now it looks much more equable (?). Gregor was very protuberant before (because of shirt color? Or maybe they have changed the size of his picture too?). Anyway, now Ollian looks like THE couple of the show, although the on-screen reality is different. ;D
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