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Post by lolaruns on Jan 31, 2009 2:53:04 GMT -5
They fell below 10 again on Friday: 1,78 Mio 9,5%
(the episode consisted of Tanja/Ansgar, Matthias/Nathalie and Lydia/Sebastian)
If you look at Andre's post above, the viewership was about the same, the percentage was higher.
Monday: 1.86 9.3% Tuesday: 1.84 8.2%
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Post by brownsugar on Jan 31, 2009 17:43:43 GMT -5
They fell below 10 again on Friday: 1,78 Mio 9,5% (the episode consisted of Tanja/Ansgar, Matthias/Nathalie and Lydia/Sebastian) If you look at Andre's post above, the viewership was about the same, the percentage was higher. Monday: 1.86 9.3% Tuesday: 1.84 8.2% Lola...thank you very much for the ratings update. Again, I'm just so glad that the ratings didn't plummet when Ollian where featured considering it was up against that important ball game. It does appear that VL is very inconsistent with it's ratings from day to day. No one storyline seems to capture the audience. You could have one day which features certain story lines do well and have the same story lines on the following day and the ratings could decline quite a bit. Anyway...I do honestly hope that VL as a whole really starts to improve ratings wise.
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Post by lolaruns on Feb 7, 2009 17:24:23 GMT -5
Here is a bit that talks about the problems VL's sister soap has been having with their ratings (of interest because at the moment their ratings are pretty much identical)
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Post by lolaruns on Feb 11, 2009 2:46:44 GMT -5
Tuesday's episode was a slight dip from Monday's episode. I'm noting this because they fell below 10 pecent again. Gonna be interesting to see whether that is just a temporary dip (and they'll be back to above 10 percent again) or whether the week of 10 percents was the aberration.
Monday: 2.05 Mio 10,4% Tuesday: 1,90 Mio 9,6% (this is a general view on the show and not on Ollian. Since their role within the episode wasn't large and was neither in the episode summaries, spoiler pictures or previews that they would even be on, nor were the on the previous episode)
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Post by lolaruns on Feb 19, 2009 2:31:13 GMT -5
The good news is that VL got a nice tiny bump from the anniversary episode, especially compared to the preceding episode.
Monday: 1,94 and 9.9% Tuesday: 1,79 and 9.4% 3333: 2,18 and 11,9%
It's a pity that today (Thursday) there is a preemption. I was looking forward to seeing whether a lot of the "bump" people would be sticking with the show for the next episodes, but there being a break before there is a next episode might delude the momentum. Guess we'll have to wait and see.
Personally, I thought that Gregor/Luise who were the main selling point of the episode were handled (in this episode) in a pretty cheesy manner. So I'm not sure if it, had I tuned in just for this episode, would feel all that tempted to tune in just to see what happens to them. But I might be underestimating their appeal. Looking forward to see how this will develop.
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Post by lugia on Feb 19, 2009 12:48:19 GMT -5
It's even more unfortunate because ski jumping was canceled due to bad weather conditions and they repeated biathlon from that morning. So the timeslot was free!
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Post by lolaruns on Feb 25, 2009 13:18:37 GMT -5
VL's channel ARD/daserste is creating a new soap called One For All (female one). They are producing 200 episodes.
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Post by chrollifan on Feb 25, 2009 15:44:42 GMT -5
It's still amusing for me how similar by character-conception are Stellas in AWZ and VL ;D Interfering, hero-playing blondes with a talent (skating vs organizing skills). It seems like there is a textbook for UFA Grundy's writing teams "How to write a successful character" and both shows have been so lazy that they have even taken over the name of a textbook example.
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Post by lugia on Feb 25, 2009 22:22:27 GMT -5
For a while, I also had the impression that they had these go-to phrases for couples. VL has definitely been reimagining a lot of their old plots. I'm not thrilled about this new series because it seems so restricted with one character at the helm. I'm more into friends/teams and flexible storylines. If it rocks, it might boost the overall evening ratings. Although airing it as a lead-in to VL would be a sweeter deal than after Marienhof. The good thing about another soap is that the actors will have work and VL stars could cross over. Maybe they'll have gay characters of their own. But the title just doesn't grab me at all.
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Post by lolaruns on Feb 27, 2009 6:30:08 GMT -5
See, I think though both Stellas are new, blond and annoying, I think they are annoying for very different reasons. Anyway, Article about AWZ having rating issues. Apparently they had their best ratings in autumn last year (around the culmination of the Juli/Oliver story) but they have gone down since then (so much for Stella = nuDiana). Meanwhile on VL it seems like the anniversary did its duty. They still haven't been able to get over 12 percent, but at least they've been above 10, somtimes even above 11 percent. Episodes right before the anniversary: Verbotene Liebe Folge 3330 1,90 Mio 10.3% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3331 1,94 Mio 9.9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3332 1,79 Mio 9.4% Anniversary and beyond: Verbotene Liebe Folge 3333 2,18 Mio 11,9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3334 2,17 Mio 10,9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3335 2,01 Mio 10,0% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3336 1,94 Mio 10,3% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3337 2,05 Mio 11,0% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3338 2,21 Mio 11,9% So, spike for the anniversary, then decline, almost hit the 9s again, but then up again. Let's see how it continues.
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Post by chrollifan on Feb 28, 2009 12:33:43 GMT -5
Verbotene Liebe Folge 3339 (Friday, Feb 27) All viewers 2,11 Mio 11,4% 14-49 (target) 0,59 Mio 9,0%
One reason for better ratings could be that ZDF canceled its telenovela "Wege zum Glück" on this week and people are looking around for a new show. Although, they will start with a new telenovela already next week, so we'll see if this will last. Kidnapping storyline is also over now and some of the upcoming stuff sounds pretty boring.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 28, 2009 23:00:30 GMT -5
See, I think though both Stellas are new, blond and annoying, I think they are annoying for very different reasons. Anyway, Article about AWZ having rating issues. Apparently they had their best ratings in autumn last year (around the culmination of the Juli/Oliver story) but they have gone down since then (so much for Stella = nuDiana). Meanwhile on VL it seems like the anniversary did its duty. They still haven't been able to get over 12 percent, but at least they've been above 10, somtimes even above 11 percent. Episodes right before the anniversary: Verbotene Liebe Folge 3330 1,90 Mio 10.3% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3331 1,94 Mio 9.9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3332 1,79 Mio 9.4% Anniversary and beyond: Verbotene Liebe Folge 3333 2,18 Mio 11,9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3334 2,17 Mio 10,9% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3335 2,01 Mio 10,0% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3336 1,94 Mio 10,3% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3337 2,05 Mio 11,0% Verbotene Liebe Folge 3338 2,21 Mio 11,9% So, spike for the anniversary, then decline, almost hit the 9s again, but then up again. Let's see how it continues. This is really bizzare...but I wrote a 'thank you for posting the ratings' on this thread to you yesterday, but now it's disappeared. So I'll just say it again...Thanks Lola for posting the ratings for the last two weeks of episodes. I am so pleased that VL has grown in viewers these last few weeks. And it's nice to see that Thursday's and Friday's episodes have brought in some nice numbers and percentages since they featured Ollian, especially yesterdays show which was very Ollian centric. And considering it was Friday, which often can be a bad day for ratings TV wise, I'm very happy with these results. Finger's crossed VL's viewership will continue to climb. Interesting how AWZ are now having rating troubles. I remember last year when they were doing very well compared to VL. Again...thanks for posting.
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Post by brownsugar on Feb 28, 2009 23:06:26 GMT -5
Verbotene Liebe Folge 3339 (Friday, Feb 27) All viewers 2,11 Mio 11,4% 14-49 (target) 0,59 Mio 9,0% One reason for better ratings could be that ZDF canceled its telenovela "Wege zum Glück" on this week and people are looking around for a new show. Although, they will start with a new telenovela already next week, so we'll see if this will last. Kidnapping storyline is also over now and some of the upcoming stuff sounds pretty boring. Thank you Andre for the rating results of yesterday's episode. Some good numbers for a Friday. Interesting about the cancellation of the telenovela on ZDF. Although, I think that VL will continue to show an improvement in the ratings even when the new telenovela on ZDF starts next week. I think that anniversary episode did a lot of good to get viewers tunned back in. But we shall see.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 2, 2009 8:14:23 GMT -5
This AWZ Forum is claiming that (French channel) M6 will stop airing AWZ because of low ratings. It's still gonna air in French on some cable channel that is more like Soapnet in the US or Passion in Germany. Not sure how reliable it is, but it struck me as interesting. Didn't the DeRo story just start airing in the French episodes?
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Post by brownsugar on Mar 2, 2009 22:39:28 GMT -5
This AWZ Forum is claiming that (French channel) M6 will stop airing AWZ because of low ratings. It's still gonna air in French on some cable channel that is more like Soapnet in the US or Passion in Germany. Not sure how reliable it is, but it struck me as interesting. Didn't the DeRo story just start airing in the French episodes? Wow...yes, the DeRo story just started airing. Lola...did AWZ just start airing in France or has it been on a while and just reached the DeRo story now?
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 3, 2009 1:40:20 GMT -5
I have no idea. Maybe gaytime knows because he was the one who first reported that AWZ was beginning to air? I'm pretty sure it started at least a bit before the DeRo story started (though I don't know whether it was with episode 1 or just a couple of months before DeRo). There is a person who is uploading the French DeRo clips and they put the first clip up on January 29th, so the DeRo story started showing up around them. I think Gaytime reported that it aired/would air in France sometime last year, but on the other hand, it kinda makes little sense to retitle it "The Dream of Diana" and then not air the whole story of Diana rising to ice skating queen and instead start shortly before the time period where Diana was not on the show. Bascially, I have no idea.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 3, 2009 5:42:55 GMT -5
Here is an interesting presentation which discusses how to analyze the viewers of the various ARD programs in regards to what would be the best fit for them from an advertising POV.
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Post by brownsugar on Mar 3, 2009 23:47:20 GMT -5
I have no idea. Maybe gaytime knows because he was the one who first reported that AWZ was beginning to air? I'm pretty sure it started at least a bit before the DeRo story started (though I don't know whether it was with episode 1 or just a couple of months before DeRo). There is a person who is uploading the French DeRo clips and they put the first clip up on January 29th, so the DeRo story started showing up around them. I think Gaytime reported that it aired/would air in France sometime last year, but on the other hand, it kinda makes little sense to retitle it "The Dream of Diana" and then not air the whole story of Diana rising to ice skating queen and instead start shortly before the time period where Diana was not on the show. Bascially, I have no idea. Thanks so much Lola for answering. It's a pity it's getting canceled right as DeRo are starting. I did watch their storyline on YouTube . The storyline was very good. Then the writers decided to splint them up so quickly after they were only together for such a short time, it's then I stopped watching.
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Post by lugia on Mar 6, 2009 0:42:37 GMT -5
VL's channel ARD/daserste is creating a new soap called One For All (female one). They are producing 200 episodes. It looks like a middle-class "Sex and the City" premise. Four women at the center trying to rescue the company they used to work at by buying it for one symbolic Euro. This is a promo pic for ep 2.
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Post by lolaruns on Mar 29, 2009 16:56:09 GMT -5
here is an interesting article that talks about the supercouple phenomenon. I don't subscribe to everything they say, but they do talk about the problems of the formula particularly in the US where they have switched from a "Couples take forever to get together" formular to a "Couples get together quickly and break up and make up repeatedly and over and over again". [personally I prefer the VL formula where couples take a reasonably long time to get together and then get written off] I did like this sentence: Also: What makes supercouples so successful (the anticipation that the couple will succeed and live happily ever after) counters the medium's necessity for endless stories. At five hours a week, 52 weeks a year, soaps have the untenable responsibility to churn out stories continuously for the audience's pleasure. Creating more and more obstacles for the couples is a sure fire way to churn out those stories, but once the couple unites and marries the question inevitably falls upon the headwriter on what to do with them next. The networks' obsession with ratings and demographics have influenced the storytelling for these couples to the extent that they have changed the genre deleteriously. In the past, writers kept couples apart as long as they needed to, often taking years before uniting them, therefore keeping one continuous story thread in motion. But today, in the interest of pacifying ever fickle soap audiences, writers will quickly unite couples often in little more than a few weeks, thus putting themselves in the position of finding yet more obstacles to create the needed tension and stories for the couples. The number of ways and times a couple can be broken up and united again is then exhausted (and in shorter periods of time) and often exhausting fans of that couple in the long run. Whatever directions the couples or individual characters can be taken inevitably run out of steam.
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 1, 2009 17:54:55 GMT -5
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 1, 2009 18:10:47 GMT -5
Not that he didn't make a few good changes, but I can't say that I'm sorry to see him go as a writer. And now can somebody clean up that continuity problem. Continuity within the SAME episode? BTW, oh Andre knower of all things behind the scenes, I really enjoyed Monday and Tuesday's episode from an Ollian POV, just the ways it flowed. No idea if it was the writing or the directing. Any idea who I could attribute this to? Let's just hope that the new chick doesn't feel the need to immediately also start importing a ton of HER new people. Though somehow, the second I hear woman I think it's good news for Ollian.
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 1, 2009 19:26:43 GMT -5
Not that he didn't make a few good changes, but I can't say that I'm sorry to see him go as a writer. And now can somebody clean up that continuity problem. Continuity within the SAME episode? Continuity should be the task of head-writer script - so no news in this department. Let's hope that it was only a bad week and/or they will find a new continuity editor. I gave up searching for these connections already long time ago, because there are too many people working together to create an episode, although I think that director and storyliner are the most important ones. Director for episodes 3355-3359: Ralph Bridle Storyliner (3357, Monday): Charlotte Rürup Storyliner (3358, Tuesday): Bianca Salvucci (I must add that plot of scenes is developed in a group of stroyliners and this one person is just writing scenes together and making sure that they fit. Plus, of course there is also dialog writer, script editor and continuity editor....) Anyway, I liked these little scenes too, very much. Damn, I'm so easy and let TPTB bribe myself with almost nothing It seems that Jo and Thore have reached new level playing an happy couple and writers would have a lot of work to do, if they would want to break them up in a believable way. It's strange, because I got a feeling that there may be a new headwriter namely after I read Your post in AJ-Forum or Rosaforum few days ago You wondered, why stories are stalling and there are not more new roles, although old ones are leaving and mostly only unlikeable characters are staying (Leo, Rebecca and David in Maria's story or this event with Sebastian, Lydia, David and Rebecca in the latest episode should give an impression what I'm thinking ). I thought that Schlesselmann wanted to leave the door open for a new person. I mentioned Feiler's previous role at the beginning of Ollian story, because I thought that it could be positive and she could have among other things an emotional connection with this story. Maybe women are really better than hetero men at writing gay stories ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Apr 1, 2009 19:46:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the ranking is like:
gay men (have personal involvement/incentive to have storyline turn out happily)
women
straight men
I actually hope that the recent writing hiccups and continuity glitches are maybe due to some confusion in the writer room? Maybe the transfer wasn't that peaceful? It's not like there aren't months and months of veeeery bad ratings.
That said, it can't be too un-peaceful either since he is still producer.
I do wonder whether she will truly get to write her own stuff from the beginning or whether she'll be mostly expected to follow what has already been laid out (like, should we expect her to be at least some changes in the direction of storylines? cough LySeb would be appreciated cough Whether she will pick new favorites or start new storylines). Either way, above all I hope she will pick up the pace. That is something the headwriters does, right? Decide what happens each week? Because all storylines are moving at snail pace right now. So there much at least be three weeks each where the descriptions had to be something like:
- Sarah plays the piano and angsts about her hand - Luise visits the hangar - Stella and Carla have some sort of misunderstanding - Nathalie really enjoys the Brander family but is unsure whether she should fall in love with Matthias
The weird thing is that though I didn't particularly like the winter period either (too much focus on boring storylines that needed to be wrapped up notably Ansgar/Nathalie and Katja) but then again, during that period they were mostly busy with getting those storylines over as fast as possible (which in reality only translated to a pace that is actually a pretty normal pace for VL). And once he had those old storylines ended, technically the glory moments should have started where he gets to write his own storylines at his own pace. Except that pace is dreadfully slow and repetitive.
(though I think he did an ok job with "Sebastian's angels" and Sebastian's abduction)
I actually feel mostly bad for the Carlafans. Because at this point it's an unknown quantity how the new person feels about lesbians. And though the Starla storyline has been a complete mess it has been basically littered with Claudia Hiersche Glory Moments. Will the new writer still feel the need for that?
Oh well, if they actually do read the boards I do hope that they have taken note of our plea about how the show could do with some new attractive males.
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Post by chrollifan on Apr 1, 2009 20:07:39 GMT -5
One more thing what I thought - I really don't know how free hands this new lady will have. Probably she will never be as independent as for example Chroust was and is still under strict control of the producer.
I hope that she could bring some new people, who have experience in soap-writing, because VL is flooded with Schlesselmann's telenovela people at the moment. It's quite obvious in a way stories are told right now (truckloads of kitsch, but less soapy things. For example scheming and various evil characters are written very weakly and pushed to the background in the moment. Plus, this annoying structure: something happens in one scene and then it will be discussed afterwards in three scenes.)
It's like watching Zimmertheater sometimes, especially with Luise's princess-stuff. I get always mental image from an article I read about telenovelas: main heroine has to sit all day along on the couch before camera and the actress will get a backache because of that ;D Résumé: people talk too much and things are not happening.
Maybe ARD wants to turn VL into telenovela, because their telenovelas Rote Rosen and Sturm der Liebe are very successful right now (and soaps are weak)? But telenovelas don't bring very high ratings among young viewers and it's exactly the point why they are showing soaps in the evening and telenovelas much earlier.
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