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Post by crazylilly on Nov 29, 2008 8:24:42 GMT -5
I don't know. There are all groups in the chart. And of course a lot of the viewers are in in the group "Tradiotionell Verwurzelte". And that kinda is a group you would expect to watch a daily soap. I was more surprised about the good numbers in "Etablierte". I wouldn't have really expected that. (CW - I still find their way to watch at the numbers funny - they have the best ratings Thursday - and not with the young female audience. They should look more what shows are really good and not what do they want to be good.)
Banner: I know. But I still think the banner-couples will give us an idea whose storyline we will see. Of course that aren't the only storylines. But if Ollian are in the banner again, we can expect to see them. Although we don't know what kind of storyline we will see. But maybe they just put the couples they want the show to be associated with on the banner.
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Post by lolaruns on Nov 29, 2008 8:35:23 GMT -5
I don't know, so far the banner has always been a pretty good indicator of which storylines will dominate the year or which couples are considered the main ones by the writers. That doesn't mean that other and even other good storylines don't exist on the side, but they usually really are the top ones.
So, I could see them taking Ollian out, not necessarily as a sign that bad things are going to come to them, but just that other storylines are going to be even more important and dominant. Not that Ollian is not gonna be important at all.
As for the groups, I don't know, I would excepts traditionalists and conservatives to watch Sturm der Liebe more than they would watch Verbotene Liebe. (but interestingly VL really seems to have a very high number of traditionalists as opposed to other ARD shows; SDL is one of the few shows with a higher number)
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Post by crazylilly on Nov 29, 2008 8:40:56 GMT -5
The question is - who do they consider to be traditionalists? People like my 88 year grand-mother who watches VL every day (SDL as well)? Well, they have time during that time of the day. Maybe the reasons are just that easy. If I look at myself - for me VL has a very bad time. I have to take care of my kids then. I hardly ever manage to watch the show live. - What I wanted to say: Especially for the traditionalits it is the show they watch during that time of the day. Most of the other (Sender) don't have a program for them then.
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Post by chrollifan on Dec 20, 2008 15:01:30 GMT -5
Meet "Kuno" - an extra who will appear sometimes in March. www.reitzenstein-management.de/michael_pink I have no further information about his role. I just wanted to make a point, that VL is hiring experienced actors for supporting roles and people like "Stella", "David" and "Rebecca" for the main cast. Limited budget is probably setting it's boundaries.
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Post by lolaruns on Dec 20, 2008 15:04:46 GMT -5
I'm guessing he was deemed not hot enough to be a permanent cast member? I'm still mad that the most talented guy they hired recently (other than Judith) namely Jens is not even a permanent cast member, but rather just reoccuring (at least according to the Drehspiegel).
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Post by chrollifan on Dec 20, 2008 15:26:21 GMT -5
I'm guessing he was deemed not hot enough to be a permanent cast member? I'm still mad that the most talented guy they hired recently (other than Judith) namely Jens is not even a permanent cast member, but rather just reoccuring (at least according to the Drehspiegel). Jens is really a wasted opportunity, at least we will get few more nice psycho scenes I have still hope with next three newbies and Katja will be killed out Talking of which, where could I see this mysterious "Drehspiegel"? Is this also with limited access (only for journalists or something), like ARD Photo?
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Post by lolaruns on Dec 20, 2008 15:37:09 GMT -5
Yes, it appears to be exlusive and different from the ARD photo thing. Greeny from Andreas Jancke forum is one of the people with access to it. So if you know the details you might want to ask her.
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Post by chrollifan on Dec 21, 2008 17:00:02 GMT -5
www.nzzfolio.ch/www/d80bd71b-b264-4db4-afd0-277884b93470/showarticle/063be072-28e4-494b-beb2-560bd68f1b1a.aspxI found an interesting article about another German soap GZSZ. It's produced by the same company as VL, which means, that process should be quite similar. Some points: Story and final script (!) have to be approved by the broadcaster (to avoid any legal(?) conflicts, as much as I understood). Broadcaster (RTL) is doing character-based market research besides general quote information and very unpopular characters-actors will be written out. (This could be only a commercial-TV thing, maybe Das Erste is not doing it.) Minimal pay for a young actor is about 5000 euros (this article is from 2006). Characters are not allowed to wear military costumes, religious symbols and labels (which will be removed from the clothes). Two persons, who are mentioned by the name in this article have worked for VL lately. Former GZSZ head writer Sven Miehe was storyliner during Chroust's time (and maybe a little bit later too in this autumn) and producer Silke Morgenroth is listed as storyliner in January episodes. Law of the soap: "Harmony is passing condition between two conflicts."
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Post by crazylilly on Jan 8, 2009 4:47:20 GMT -5
Today I found two rather interesting articles. The first is about the development of the quotes of the dailies last year. The [url=http://www.film-tv-video.de/newsdetail+M5cc25a735eb.html?&tx_ttnews[day]=08&tx_ttnews[month]=01&tx_ttnews[year]=2009]second [/url]is about the production process of them at UFA Grundy.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 8, 2009 7:56:15 GMT -5
It notes that AWZ and GZSZ are the only soaps that gained ratings in the last year.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 27, 2009 9:22:47 GMT -5
Incidentally the ratings have been really terrible lately. (stolen from the ofm)
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 10,0 Montag, 12. Januar 2009 10,9 Montag, 19. Januar 2009 9,9 Mittwoch, 21. Januar 2009 9,2 Donnerstag, 22. Januar 2009 9,2 Freitag, 23. Januar 2009 10,1 Montag, 26. Januar 2009 9,3
Anybody know how frequently VL was pitted against various sport programmings? Or are they just continuing the downward trend?
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Post by kes on Jan 27, 2009 9:43:01 GMT -5
Thanks for the response. They don't look good. It would be nice if Ollie's reappearance helped, but I'm not counting on anything.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 27, 2009 9:44:15 GMT -5
Unfortunately the episode with Olli's return is pitted directly against a handball game of Germany vs. another country. So if the ratings are bad for this particular episode that could be a reason.
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Post by kes on Jan 27, 2009 9:51:39 GMT -5
This is good to know.
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Post by mona on Jan 28, 2009 9:13:09 GMT -5
I tried to switch between VL and Handball too. Handball was just too thrilling.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 28, 2009 9:31:22 GMT -5
Since you probably don't know overseas, handball caused a minor scandal because after the game was over the German coach was so upset about one of the game decisions that he raised his hand against the game conductor (but stopped short of actually hitting anybody): www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFkmakxhVsk
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Post by crazylilly on Jan 28, 2009 9:42:07 GMT -5
lola - it wasn't one decision. It were a lot of really strange decisions - and everyone against the German team . - And yes - I watched handball yesterday as well.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 28, 2009 9:48:37 GMT -5
I know. But is probably easier to give the short version. Plus, we might have some Norwegians or Danish peeps here on the board as well. ;D Let's just say it got people quite riled up.
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Post by chrollifan on Jan 28, 2009 20:11:52 GMT -5
It's positive, that the overall number of viewers didn't declined on Tuesday, despite very popular sports event on another channel.
27.01 (3+) 1.84 8.2% (14-49) 0.52 6.3% 26.01 (3+) 1.86 9.3% (14-49) 0.48 6.7% OT: Tom Chroust was today listed as a writer in AWZ's credits for the first time.
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Post by lugia on Jan 28, 2009 23:12:51 GMT -5
Yes, it appears to be exlusive and different from the ARD photo thing. Greeny from Andreas Jancke forum is one of the people with access to it. So if you know the details you might want to ask her. Allegedly, you can access the photos through the press site, but not the other way around. www.ard-foto.de/presse.daserste.de/
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Post by brownsugar on Jan 29, 2009 1:12:34 GMT -5
It's positive, that the overall number of viewers didn't declined on Tuesday, despite very popular sports event on another channel. 27.01 (3+) 1.84 8.2% (14-49) 0.52 6.3% 26.01 (3+) 1.86 9.3% (14-49) 0.48 6.7% OT: Tom Chroust was today listed as a writer in AWZ's credits for the first time. Thank you for posting the ratings. I was actually quite worried that the viewership would have really tanked because of the major sporting event VL was up against. This is indeed very good news that it basically stayed the same. It would have been interesting to see how well the episode would have done on a normal day without having the immense completion. Still, there will be other Ollian centric episodes and we will be able to judge the true ratings then. Anyway, thanks for posting since I do have an interest in how Ollian fare. Naturally I would like them to do well since ratings are very important.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 29, 2009 2:32:12 GMT -5
I thought both Monday and Tuesday had a game? Or am I mixing this up?
Anyway, first episode after Germany got kicked out of the handball championship
2,04 Mio 10,5%
It's still not great in my mind (I really wish they would at least get over 11 percent), but at least they are not below 10.
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Post by chrollifan on Jan 29, 2009 5:20:24 GMT -5
I thought both Monday and Tuesday had a game? Or am I mixing this up? It's still not great in my mind (I really wish they would at least get over 11 percent), but at least they are not below 10. Germany didn't played on Monday, there was Argentina-Cuba and Tunisia-Brasilia in the same time-slot. RTL broadcasted only Germany's games (I didn't found old TV-program in web, correct me, if I'm wrong). Of course are quotes around 10% bad, I just compared two bad days , ~12% would be OK, I guess. It seems, that writing is getting better meanwhile (in the sense of scene-writing and dialog), but many plots are really boring, like some Luise's stuff. So I would expect a little rise, but not back to 14%, like few years ago.
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Post by lolaruns on Jan 29, 2009 5:43:17 GMT -5
BTW, here is the younger people percentage for yesterday: 7,6
(ideally this should be at least above 9)
Gregor/Luise, I dunno, I think it's pretty corny, but the actors are quite good and I could see it becoming quite a sucess. Not Leo/Cecile type of success, but still pretty decent. After all there are plenty of people out there who love cheese.
I actually think that what VL is sort of missing in its lineup are some younger stories and characters (meaning younger than the Judith, Christian, Lydia, Rebecca generation), along the lines of Paul, Constantin and Lisa.
Now, as a non-teenager, I'm really, really happy that we don't have to watch lame teenager stories (not to mention that that agegroup has traditionally attracted some really bad acting), but can we really rule out that they don't attract a certain demographic? If you look around, most of the people in this age group have really series and grown up stories, Rebecca's being in love with Gregor, Lydia and Sebastian, Christian being in an established relationship. None of these are really anything like a typical young story would be.
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Post by brownsugar on Jan 29, 2009 21:59:00 GMT -5
I thought both Monday and Tuesday had a game? Or am I mixing this up? Anyway, first episode after Germany got kicked out of the handball championship 2,04 Mio 10,5% It's still not great in my mind (I really wish they would at least get over 11 percent), but at least they are not below 10. Thanks again Lola for posting the ratings. I'm glad to see VL improving since I know the past month or so the ratings have been pretty bad. Lola...I know the Ollian episode got 1.84 mio viewers, which was pretty impressive considering they were up against a highly anticipated sports event. But I was curious about Monday's ratings which wasn't up against any event? Was the ratings exactly the same? Thank you.
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