General Discussion - Fisica O Quimica

[deathstrike87]

lol, this is just wishful thinking, but I will laugh so hard if the writers got affected by the fans' overwhelming consternation over Fer's death and had a change of heart and somehow found a way to have Javier/Fer come back to the show alive in Season 8. Maybe our long overdue wish that his death was just a nightmare after all?

In one of the scripts I wrote in my head, the nightmare starts at the end of 7x04 when David wakes up alone in his bed and found Fer packing downstairs. In my head-canon, everything from that point was just a nightmare: Fer leaving, the farewell sex, the school shooting, Fer's death along with his speech (something that would stick to David's mind for all time and help their relationship grow stronger), his visions, Zurbaran closing down (all of these are so freakin' outrageous anyway)--and in reality, we come back to find David just waking up and scrambling his hand next to him in the same exact manner as 7x04....but this time, we find Fer there asleep, safe, and healthy.

Damn...all just wishful thinking though, I know.

[Shiny]

Aug 2, 2011 5:54:23 GMT -5 deathstrike87 said:

--and in reality, we come back to find David just waking up and scrambling his hand next to him in the same exact manner as 7x04....but this time, we find Fer there asleep, safe, and healthy.

I wish it happened that way...

[jos87]

Aug 2, 2011 12:35:28 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Aug 2, 2011 5:54:23 GMT -5 deathstrike87 said:

--and in reality, we come back to find David just waking up and scrambling his hand next to him in the same exact manner as 7x04....but this time, we find Fer there asleep, safe, and healthy.

I wish it happened that way...

me too. But i remember that Jonathan (the guy of the videoencuentros) said (to you shiny,right?) that the story of Fervid is closed. So i don't believe that will happen something like this

[Shiny]

Yes, exactly.

Unfortunately

[deathstrike87]

I for one believe in parallel universes, so somewhere out there, there's a place where Fer is alive and he and David are living together happily. There's even a place where one or both of them aren't gay, or a place where they've never met each other at all. The possibilities are endless, and I choose to believe in the one that satisfies me. This is fiction, and I can extend it further in my head if I choose to.

[Shiny]

[Shiny]

Russian and Mexican fans are planning a big Flash Mob on coming Friday in Twitter!
We want to bring #FoQ to a trending topic.

Anyone wants to join us?

That's gonna be fun!

[Shiny]

About flashmob:

javiercalvomexico.blogspot.com/2011/08/foq-necesitamos-de-su-ayuda-fans-para.html

microc0sm.tumblr.com/post/8748289528/flashmob-foq

[jos87]

seems to me really funny and "crazy"(i use this word in a positive sense) this flashmob. It's the first time that i read something like this but I can't help you because i haven't twitter.Shiny let us know if this flashmob was successful or not

[Shiny]

Aug 11, 2011 8:07:15 GMT -5 jos87 said:

seems to me really funny and "crazy"(i use this word in a positive sense) this flashmob. It's the first time that i read something like this but I can't help you because i haven't twitter.Shiny let us know if this flashmob was successful or not

Simply register

I'll let you know.
I see now that more and more people will take part in it

[jos87]

Aug 11, 2011 8:15:11 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Aug 11, 2011 8:07:15 GMT -5 jos87 said:

seems to me really funny and "crazy"(i use this word in a positive sense) this flashmob. It's the first time that i read something like this but I can't help you because i haven't twitter.Shiny let us know if this flashmob was successful or not

Simply register

I'll let you know.
I see now that more and more people will take part in it

;D ;D ;D i know but i don't like the social networks; i'm sure that will be a great success even without me

[deathstrike87]

Does this flashmob have the intention of getting the network's attention to bring back FOQ for an 8th season (which I thought is being planned already anyway? Correct me if I'm wrong), or just something random to show our love for the show?

[Shiny]

Just to show our love for the show and to have a lot of fun!!!!!

[Shiny]

For most of us FoQ is over with season 7. And season 8 is just some series with same name and location.

[deathstrike87]

LOL, and for some of us, FOQ is over with Season 6.

[Shiny]

Yes, sure!

[jos87]

Aug 11, 2011 13:20:13 GMT -5 Shiny said:

For most of us FoQ is over with season 7. And season 8 is just some series with same name and location.

;D i think the same thing. for me FoQ ended in season 7. Maybe i will see the new season but i am sure that,for me,without Fervid,will not be the same.
About the season 7 I have to say that i liked it,even if the end of Fervid was not what i wanted for our couple. For example I love the chapter 7x02 (the episode with Susana) and i like the chapter 7x05 (even,i repeat,i don't like how it finished.But in that episode i saw great love between the boys;love was in the air even if they were not together with David ready to leave Madrid because his relationship with Fer was over again) i miss them

[morrigan29]

Is it too late to post here? The show ended 2 months ago, after all. But what the heck.

I discovered Fisica o Quimica and this awesome couple from all the posts of their pictures and videos on Tumblr. I thought, “What a beautiful couple. Great chemistry, with what looks like decent acting.” So I searched for them in YouTube, watched all the scenes involving them, and the rest is history.

I got pissed by how immature their early relationship was but kept plodding on because they turned out to have one of the best chemistries I’ve seen from any TV shows or movies ever, to the point where you just wanted to root for them no matter what the fuck they’re doing to each other. I really believed that it was all just a part of their early relationship storytelling, a scheme the writers wanted to employ because the couple will eventually learn their lessons, appreciate what they’ve got and go on to live happily ever after. I didn’t want their chemistry to go to waste, see. They’re one of the couples I just badly wanted to end up together and happy because it’s not everyday that you could witness a couple on TV, gay or straight, teens or adults, with such energy and passion between them.

I thought the writers saw things the way I, and I’m sure a lot of people, did. Sure, they definitely gave us a lot of things to feed on, but with all due respect, they most certainly fucked up the most important thing, the thing that matters the most, which is the ending. I was willing to suffer the immaturity, indecisiveness and all the other shit in the faith that it will turn out fine and that vindication could be had, but the way they did things at the end was just jaded, and honestly…cruel. I don’t know what exactly they were thinking in “mythologizing” this pair by killing off one of them while they’re still in the middle of a break-up/fight with the cause of it still unresolved, but they should’ve at least known that the best ending of all, especially with the kind of couple they’ve worked on for years and developed emotional investment to, is a happy one. Nobody would argue that. The actors, the fans, all wanted it. Positive always trumps negative, especially for a show like this that borders on being a dramedy. A feel-good school-themed teenage show that tackles serious issues, too, yes, but for Pete’s sake…killing off the main, most popular character is just something that came off out from the far left field. I won’t accuse the writers of being homophobic, or self-loathing, or whatever. Honestly, I would feel the same way even if Fer and David were a straight couple, with the same kind of chemistry and time devoted to develop their relationship.

I guess what bothers me the most is not just the fact that Fer got killed, but that it happened at such a time when his relationship with David was in a chaos over a petty thing (bisexuality concern), that it came off as Fer’s fault for overblowing things and coming off as paranoid and indecisive, and at the end, he gets killed. There’s just…no positive emotional pay-off to the whole thing. Sure, there was his speech to David while he was dying, which I guess is the whole point, but really…all of it was unnecessary to begin with if only Fer and David’s relationship in Season 7 was written in such a way that Seasons 5 and 6 and everything they went through actually meant something and that there’s an actual concrete, stable foundation holding them up after everything that they’ve experienced and suffered from hurting each other.

It almost feels like the writers genuinely love Fer and David because of their chemistry and potential, but on the other hand…it feels like they didn’t really want it to work out from the beginning. These two never had a real break. It’s been chaos with each other time after time, until one of them just gets killed off because they’re too dysfunctional to stay together for a long time. I mean, consider this: if the school shooting never happened and Fer didn’t get killed, things would end with Fer and David the way it was when Fer left that classroom after they had their farewell sex: David set in his decision to move away with his dad to Salamanca because he’s tired of Fer’s indecisiveness, push-pull tactics and the heartbreak he gets from all of it, and Fer pissed off and calling him an asshole for it. They would still be broken up.

That’s why I, along with many others, just choose to ignore Season 7 and would rather deceive myself into thinking that the whole thing ended in Season 6. Not even the ring moment in 7x02 could save it for me. I already know how David feels anyway, and I already know that it would have happened sooner or later in their alternate post-Season 6 future.

I mean, let’s break this down: I don’t need the storyline in 7x01 where they decided to live together, because that’s already a given the way Season 6 ended, and I certainly didn’t need the part where Fer was being real insensitive leaving David to handle everything by himself. I didn’t need the jealousy storylines involving Susanna and Roman in episodes 2 and 3, because as far as I’m concerned, they should already be over that shit the moment they decided to have their pseudo-wedding and David had that “C’mon, enough already, alright?” talk when he spilled his guts and heart out to Fer at the end of Season 6. For me, that dialogue encompasses everything that made their relationship a difficult one to trudge and made them cry and suffer all the time: Jealousy, immaturity, irresponsibility, lack of faith and trustworthiness, insensitivity, indecisiveness, all of that. I also definitely didn’t need the bisexuality storyline, not because I hate bisexuality, far from it, but because of many reasons:

1) It makes people hate bisexuality even more, and makes ignorant people more ignorant about it. The way the writers portrayed bisexuality, it’s as if it’s real a credible threat and an end-all to a loving relationship, making Fer lose his fucking mind and decide to walk out literally and metaphorically, leaving David heartbroken once again. The worst thing is that this wasn’t just an obstacle/baggage that they had to deal with. No, it was actually the cause of another break-up, one that had David decide to move away no matter how much Fer wanted to reconcile, and one that wasn’t resolved or dealt with before Fer died. In reality though? Bisexuality isn’t really that big of a deal. Really.
2) David hasn’t actually done anything with a woman since the moment the “nightmares” began. He loves Fer and only Fer, and bisexuality doesn’t change that fact. He explained it to Fer as much.
3) It makes Fer look like a closed-minded, sanctimonious idiot. A character assassination considering he’s been introduced and portrayed in the series as one of the smartest, most open-minded characters. He was okay with the prospect of Julio being maybe bisexual for him in Season 1, he had sex and proceeded to date Yoli in Season 5, he was entertaining the idea that David could be bisexual for him in Season 3, he was convinced that Salva, one of his best friends, was bisexual at first, and he just generally doesn’t give a fuck over shit like that, period. That was the Fer that I got to know in the previous seasons.
4) Like I said, it makes it look like everything they went through just went down the drain over something so petty.

Lastly, I didn’t need to see the last ever sequence of the show, where virtually every character came back alive and all the couples were happily together, even last minute ones (Yoli/Salva?, Roman/Teresa? Really? ) and ones who already broke up were back together again (Ruth/Cabano) while David was all sad and alone. I mean, what the hell. As if we needed another freakin’ reminder of the tragedy of it all, slapping us all in the face.

Even going away from the Fervid storyline, all the other characters suddenly decided to act like serious bitches and assholes to each other, to the point where I honestly couldn’t stand any of them anymore.

So yeah, I’ll just forget that Season 7 ever existed, and gladly so. I mean, I appreciate the efforts of everybody involved, I really do, but there was just nothing redeeming or vindicating there that I could gather. Just an expression of regret for lost time as a dying speech, one that came too late for everyone who matters. Not a satisfying ending for a wonderful couple, one whose relationship had a lot of potential to be epically happy and inspirational, if only the people writing them actually listened to their hearts and to what everyone who appreciates this couple, the ones they’re writing for at the first place, actually wanted. I mean, these are the same people who wrote Fer and David to be together, and they’re the same people who wrote the ending of Season 6, so I definitely don’t hate them. I just wish that they didn’t suddenly get so damn cynical here.

*sigh*

I’ll stop now. There’s my ten cents. Take from it what you will. I just had to get it out. Thanks.

[jos87]

wow @morrigan. First of all Welcome to this forum and thanks to share your ideas with us.
i understand your words about how the writers ended this amazing story. And i,like you,would have preferred an happy end for Fer and David.But the writers wanted something different and i accept this;for this reason i continue to consider the season 7 as a part of Fervid's story(even because is impossible for me remove the last season,becuase i saw it and is impossible cancel that part;i know that Fer dies and i can't,with my mind,remove that part and all the season7).I know that there were some things ,like the bisexuality of David and the jealousy of Fer for the friendship between David and Roman that for me were something unnecessary in that point of the story (for example the problem of bisexuality must be told before,in season4 for example ,and the jealousy was not justified because David showed many times that he loves Fer and only Fer) ;but at the same time we can consider this a little credible becuase they show to us something that always was a problem in Fervid's relationship:the lack of trust in David.And the end of the story show that,finally,Fer understand that David really loves him and that this lack of trust was to ruin their amazing love. But sometimes,like in real life,tragedies are the means to make people use their reason and Fer did it. Obviously they could make Fer understand this without his death but they wanted something strong to happen in the series and how create something strong?killing the new members of the cast? Absolutely not. And , unfortunately for us, they chose Fer(even connected with the fact that Javi Calvo would leave the series at the end of the season ,when they did not know that season7 was their last season in antena3).And it's a pity because i wanted with all my heart see him and david go away from FoQ together.
And the happy couples in the last chapter were a bluff because all these happy couples are not really couple like Fervid,especially in the heart and in the eye of the viewers.So Fervid will remain always a symbol of FoQ while Salva/Yoli and Roman/Theresa will be seen only as a way to end the story in a happy way.Nothing more. However i understand your point of view and i see many things like you. But this is what the writers wanted and i have to accept it,like it or not.For me they will be always a real great couple;a couple that will exist always,even if between them there is something big like death.In my mind i imagine David continuing his life (and this is a right thing because he has to continue to live even without fer near to him) but never forgetting his real love.I said and i continue to say that a great part of David's hearth will be Fer's property. I want to think this in order to accept (in my mind) this kind of end chosen by the writers (that for me loved Fervid more than the other couple because this couple lived for 4 seasons and even when they were not together the love between them was always showed to us)
Goodnight everyone.If i will post a little is because i'm enjoying my holidays

[deathstrike87]

Great posts, morrigan29 and jos87. I already spilled my heart out about this, so let's just say you both have a lot of points that I definitely agree on.

Out of curiosity, how did the flashmob go?

[Shiny]

It was fun, lots of participants from different countries, even Quintas has joined us

But unfortunately not enough for TT
We need more people!!!

[Shiny]

Just to remind you all about the good moments

[Shiny]

The End:

[Ed]

Aug 18, 2011 12:12:36 GMT -5 Shiny said:

Just to remind you all about the good moments

Thanks Shiny! I will never get over this story. Despite the ups and downs, It was quite magical. Fervid forever.

[deathstrike87]

OK, I haven't been here in a while, but I just want to to put this out here. A Fervid fanfiction in English, which is pretty freakin' brilliant.

The summary says that Fer gets shot and everything and hovers between life and death, and then he meets Ruben (his old best friend) and helps him make some decisions by showing him what could be, or not.

I freakin' loved it, and would prefer this story in my head.

www.fanfiction.net/s/7378868/1/Beyond_Death