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Post by mikey on Jun 18, 2008 18:07:31 GMT -5
I now find I'm not watching the interaction between the actors but looking at thier surroundings instead. Same here, sheepie! It's distracting! And now that I've seen those clips of Gregor/Olli's room and Lars/Judith's room, I'm even more confused. Also, how big are these rooms? My entire flat is like the size of Lars/Judith's room alone!
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Post by psionycx on Jun 18, 2008 18:20:40 GMT -5
All I can say about the flatshare is that if they can just manage to find their way to the control room they can take that baby and head off for exciting adventures in space and time.
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 18, 2008 18:33:33 GMT -5
Here's something else: the flatshare is directly across from Gregor's flat; as this pic shows, Gregor's flat has two windows facing the street: The flatshare has two windows facing the street: The hall between the flats not only has a skylight, but two corners, either of which most likely leads to the stairwell: ...none of which is possible based on seeing the building from the street:
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Post by restenergy on Jun 18, 2008 19:42:33 GMT -5
Us, obsessed? You must be joking, Roddieb! Just like Christian never freaks out, we never obsess.
;D
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Post by pepe1958 on Jun 18, 2008 20:02:31 GMT -5
Clearly, it's a magical building. In so many ways.
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Post by mattnjacob on Jun 18, 2008 22:08:04 GMT -5
I think the stairs that lead to the flat are at the back of the building. Because, when they come out of the hall into No Limit they are always coming from the left: I thought that for a moment, but there is an opening on the other side of the bar: so the stairs have to start right around the corner and they are VERY VERY steep (or maybe just VERY steep).
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Post by mikey on Jun 18, 2008 22:17:16 GMT -5
But if you look at the outside shot, there are 4 floors.
Ground = NoLimits 2nd = ?? 3rd = ?? 4th = The flats we see
So those stairs could go anywhere...
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Post by aussie54 on Jun 19, 2008 0:25:33 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen a shot showing what's behind the door from the kitchen (sorry if I'm wrong). But it's definitely not leading straight into the bathroom. Taken from the clip dated 07/02/08 at 1.55 mins in: This is definitely a magical appartment! A bit like a wizard's home from Harry Potter.
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 19, 2008 1:05:48 GMT -5
The thing thing used to be a motel ("Pension" in German). So 2nd and 3rd are rooms which Gregor occasionally rents to others. It used to be a much bigger plot point back when other people still owned the thing where there were constantly people settling into the motel for various short times.
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Post by restenergy on Jun 19, 2008 1:16:36 GMT -5
The thing thing used to be a motel ("Pension" in German). So 2nd and 3rd are rooms which Gregor occasionally rents to others. It used to be a much bigger plot point back when other people still owned the thing where there were constantly people settling into the motel for various short times. You're a great fount of VL knowledge, Lola! Has it ever been established that the building is only as wide as the front suggests, or might the upper floors been connected and joined with neighboring buildings? If the building was a former hotel, it's entirely possible that one of the reasons that the apartment seems strange is because it is really a remodel of several guest rooms into a regular residential configuration. In other words, it may not be quite as rectilinear as we have been trying to make it. I stayed at some hotels in Italy that were quite the maze of passages and rooms, especially the one in a rather old building in Rome's Centro. Remodeling part of that into a residential flat could have created some unique layouts.
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Post by aussie54 on Jun 19, 2008 6:01:42 GMT -5
Roddieb, in the picture I posted, the door from the kitchen opens the other way, and unless it swings all the way around, no-one could get past it to walk to the left.
That could mean that as they walk out of the living room to the left, Christian's door would be just a few steps along. Then there would be a blank wall at the end of the passage, to the left of his room, behind which is the bathroom, running back parallel to his room. So when they go to the bathroom from the kitchen they would take a few steps to the right, then enter the bathroom door on the left.
Clear as mud? ;D
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Post by aussie54 on Jun 19, 2008 19:11:41 GMT -5
By the look of it, the kitchen door opens to the left, and a person couldn't get past it to walk to the left. If that's the case the diagram would look like this: But then, the bathroom would be in reverse order as to how we see it from the inside (when they're actually in there). So, I'm assuming the kitchen door has those special hinges where it goes all the way back to the wall, which would mean one could walk past it to the left, in which case the bathroom entrance could be further along the hall, and would look like this: Does that make sense? (This is fun!)
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Post by mikey on Jun 19, 2008 19:35:12 GMT -5
*almost ready to give up* You know I keep saying that too, but every time I try, my brain starts up with possible solutions again. It's like a math problem that you think you've finally solved, but in the end you only proved the assumptions you started with... Love the smiley, but they way. Very appropriate.
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Post by mikey on Jun 19, 2008 21:11:21 GMT -5
I'm going out of town tomorrow for the weekend but if no one has it figured out by the time I get back I will lay out my plans. It is the only plausible explanation I think will work. Can't wait to hear it. Solve this madness!
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Post by aussie54 on Jun 19, 2008 21:47:11 GMT -5
Well, I know my first interpretation is wrong, but I included it to show that it's almost impossible to configure the bathroom from the set as it's shown. ;D My second interpretation was done quickly. Here's another version. (Sorry it's a bit messy, I'm not very good in PhotoShop.) The proportion's are all wrong, so this isn't a true account. The wall backing onto the passage to the bathroom is where there is a window or skylight behind the shower in the bathroom. But that doesn't show when we see the kitchen door open.I think there's a broom closet to the right of the picture, outside Judith's room, and that's where Lydia sleeps. ;D So everything is out of whack! The set production isn't realistic, but it's been a lot of fun playing around with it. (But I give up now, because this could get a bit boring not to say frustrating .... ) ETA: Sorry, I should add that I'm looking forward to seeing what you come up with, Roddieb.
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Post by restenergy on Jun 19, 2008 22:14:01 GMT -5
But note that the bathroom is not a rectangle. The room is kind of L shaped (or a rectangle with a chunk cut out of it), or so it looks when Olli fights with Christian over the steroids. What's more, the placement of the window indicates that the shower/tub is along an outside wall. It's certainly not supposed to the be the front of the building, note the placement of the door in a wall parallel to the shower wall. Take a look at these screen caps: And the beginning of the video from that episode:
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Post by stuartsez on Jun 19, 2008 22:23:32 GMT -5
You people are crazy. In the very best way [grin]. Thing is, if we're actually being shown the No Limits building, then the Ollian Apartment of Flexible Time & Space (OAFTS?) must be in the back - because it can't be in the front. Exhibit A: The front of the building - note the shape and number of windows. There are 3 multi-paned windows, with several feet between each one. Exhibit B: The interior of their dining area - note the shape and number of the windows (yes, you have to stop looking at them kissing for a moment). There are 2 multi-paned windows right next to each other. So we can't take the front of the building as any guideline.
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Post by nana29 on Jun 19, 2008 22:31:10 GMT -5
I think there's a broom closet to the right of the picture, outside Judith's room, and that's where Lydia sleeps. ;D this might have been answered already, i'm confused on where the conversation started of the apartment but i could have sworn that Lydia and Judith shared a room. i think it was so the cost of the rent would be cheaper for Judith. I'm might be totally imagine this, so someone please correct me if i am wrong FYI: totally enjoying all the pics and clips that are bering re-posted goodnight roddieb!
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Post by mikey on Jun 19, 2008 22:31:29 GMT -5
Night, roddieb! Try not to dream about that really cute kiss strange apartment too much! ;D
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Post by mikey on Jun 19, 2008 22:33:19 GMT -5
this might have been answered already, i'm confused on where the conversation started of the apartment but i could have sworn that Lydia and Judith shared a room. i think it was so the cost of the rent would be cheaper for Judith. I don't know if it's true, but it makes sense. Judith has Lars' old room and that thing is massive. Don't think it solves any of the layout, but at least it's one less odd-ball puzzle piece to think of.
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Post by restenergy on Jun 19, 2008 22:37:09 GMT -5
Here's an attempt to diagram the bathroom shape: Does that look about right? If there is any thought out floor plan that they used when creating the sets (which seems a doubtful proposition), then it seems to be an error to assume that the plan fits within a rectangle.
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Post by aussie54 on Jun 19, 2008 22:50:29 GMT -5
Yes, that looks right to me. What I want to know is where they come out when they walk out of the door. ;D
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Post by lolaruns on Jun 20, 2008 0:57:22 GMT -5
Bathroom looks perfect to me. And yes, the L-Shape truly makes you wonder how the layout of the flat would work in TARDIS-land
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Post by Princess Ollian on Jun 20, 2008 7:22:05 GMT -5
Well, I know my first interpretation is wrong, but I included it to show that it's almost impossible to configure the bathroom from the set as it's shown. ;D My second interpretation was done quickly. Here's another version. (Sorry it's a bit messy, I'm not very good in PhotoShop.) And there is a window on the left hand wall of Christian's room, which based on this diagram would look into the bathroom and the balcony would be over the tub... *Runs away before he gets caught up in scary discussion...*
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Post by sheepiefarm on Jun 20, 2008 18:11:09 GMT -5
Sorry Roddieb - but just to put a question on your stairwell theory. In tonight's epi (20/06/08) when we see gregor coming from the stairwell - okay, I realise you're still looking at C&O snogging - but we see a shadow on the wall as gregor appears suggesting there is light of some kind coming from behind him
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